How NOT To Defend Modern Spongebob

[@spencerlane415]

the op doesn’t understand that it comes down to how it’s written, Season 1-3 SpongeBob completely understands the characters dynamics and how to utilize absurdity.

[@anthonylucero6650]

You’re a mook😒

[@anthonylucero6650]

Oh shut up ya mook😒

[@PikaStarsStudio]

Season 4 is good but not as good as the the first 3 seasons but better than season 5-9A and modern SpongeBob.

[@brendolbreadwar2671]

OP just wants to be right and knows they're wrong

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

Modern Seasons are good too tho

[@VsStuffs]

The tweet comparing small references for fun like the squirrel mask, to full-on sequel episodes milking the premise of older episodes is crazy 😭

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

To be fair, old Spongebob fans do pretty much the same thing

[@MrInvaderOhYeah]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166true, this is a problem on both sides

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

The modern episodes sometimes ruin old jokes such as Nosferatu or the Scary Robot (why is he now animated and why is he a surgeon?)

[@_maliciousIntent]

@@kittenscratchanimeart nosferatu was always animated via tweens and editing

[@delksbwg3777]

​@@_maliciousIntent Animated like the rest of the characters, not made in it's own style, that made the original joke funnier

[@EspantaExistenciasTactico]

Squidward "Torture" old jokes: - He started the beef first - He started the problem - Receive perhaps double what he caused - If he didn't started, he was in the middle Modern Squidward torture jokes: - The joke is just Squidward being tortured

[@damiencouturee6240]

I wonder how these guys would react if they saw looney tunes...

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

Modern cartoons have a bad habit of having characters get tortured/punished for doing nothing wrong. Perhaps this is due to the lack of real antagonists.

[@EspantaExistenciasTactico]

@@damiencouturee6240 Well, The coyote is the one who wants to eat the bird, isn't it?

[@RickDaSquirrel]

“The Internet is where nuance goes to die”

[@anthonylucero6650]

Your videos suck ya mook😒

[@Turbulation1]

@@anthonylucero6650all you did was prove his point

[@WhatDillionYT]

Oh hey it's you

[@MTC-hy6ig]

​@@Turbulation1 but he's right

[@Bomber_Fish]

You know I begin to appreciate how they depict Spongebob actually getting mad in the older episodes. It is rare but there are times where it just make sense that he would be angry like the Mr. Krabs Wallet scene and the Rock Bottom episode when he starts getting frustrated. Spongebob is naive and goofy but not always and not too much, He does get angry from time to time.

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

That and that there’s nobody to treat him poorly for doing so. That episode when he got stuck in the roller is one of the absolute worst. (Patrick acting upset when SpongeBob called him out only for the crowd to reprimand him for doing so pissed me off.)

[@kotzpenner]

Or when Patrick and him nurture a baby clam and Spongebob discovers Patrick's "workplace". Easily my favourite angry moment lol

[@shasha1191]

​@@kotzpennerMy ultimate favourite part of that episode: OVERTIME????

[@kotzpenner]

@@shasha1191 laughed my ass off every time as a kid, even now with 30 years lol, just the whole scene slowly building up to just Spongebob losing it haha. You can really understand his frustration.

[@UglyNut-c3k]

In Seasons 10-14 SpongeBob has no angry moments whatsoever even in Seasons 5-9 he had a few. The only time was in Drive Happy but it barely registers compared to his rage in Can You Spare A Dime.

[@Hesperell]

Imagine not getting how Flanderization works. "But Flanders was religious in the early seasons too! And Homer was boorish and rude at times!"

[@tomcaniff6437]

bro is getting it, he's just getting it completely fucking backwards, thats all!

[@Burlapyui]

Flanderization is basically when the core aspect of the character becomes their main personality. For squidward this was always the case even in the early seasons as squidwards core aspect is to be a grumpy person that can't evolve with the world due to their ego than lack of skill. This is also squidwards main personality, you could have some episodes that show why that is the case or that temporarily evolve the character but everything would be reverted back to normal. In modern episodes squideard is still a talented artist and a mediocre clarinet player that can't evolve with the world, Spongebob and patrick still bother him as they did in previous seasons and squidward is the slap stick of a situation , you may dislike the comedic situation the character is in but the character itself never had a stable "complex" personality. You may dislike the situations due to you growing up or changing your tastes but the humour is still the same way it was structured back in season 1 in a show without proper character development (as most cartoons) . It would be flanderization if for instance squidward was a successful clarinet player and somewhat grumpy when his ego is burt and then in later seasons he became just a grumpy character with no reason to be so. In our current timeline squidward has every reason to be skeptical when Spongebob and patrick are present and then grumpy when they meddle with his affairs despite living a normal life and now be content with it. I would argue that by seeing squidward be content or even happy with doing normal things is an evolution to the character and an attempt to tell the situation on squidwards behalf than to make him look like be grumpy for Spongebob and Patrick meddling with his life, we have some episodes that do the episode and make squidward be logical or spiteful or etc. What changed between the show quality is perhaps we ourselves that changed (at least it's most part of the reason) as some people either say "its the same cartoon I watched when I was a kid and retained its quality" and others who feel bad for squidward due to taking the show literally and putting its logic in real life whilst also ignoring the same phenomenon in early seasons due to nostalgia.

[@Spinelfanboi]

@@Burlapyuiyap

[@leritykay8911]

​@@Burlapyuibut we can't ignore the fact that there HAS been some flanderization in spongebob, there is some precedent for this. In early seasons Mr. Krabs was greedy yes, but also sometimes played a wise mentor/parent role, running the most successful budiness in town. Nowdays he is more just a money obsessed cheapskate who treats his employees as slaves. Or patrick, who went from a more "big bro" go spongebob who gives earnest but bad advice, to a maliciously dumb and gluttonous menace

[@moist6484]

​@@Burlapyui I ain't readin allat

[@venomousviperkin]

The Squidward torture is the best example of how to compare pre movie to post movie episodes. In early seasons, whenever Squidward got karma, it's because he earned it. The viewer learned a lesson, don't be Squidward. But in newer Spongebob seasons, Squidward gets karma without earning it. Nothing is learned. The same is true for everything else. Something happens but nothing warranted it, so nobody learns anything.

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

Squidward got karma without earning in the early seasons sometimes. Squidward gets karma because he earned it newer episodes sometimes. That’s how it always was. Viewers don’t watch Soongebob to learn lessons anyway

[@Roy.R.]

the issue with people complaining about modern spongebob (like this comment) is they look at the show in a black and white context. squidward wasnt always punished for something he caused, jellyfishing is a good example. squidward isnt always punished for something he didnt do nowadays. spongebob, along with most shows, are just a huge grey area of quality, both modern and classic spongebob have good and bad episodes, like most long running shows. and no, seasons 1-8 aren't modern, and seasons 9-11 are still barely modern. spongebob is on its 15th season, and most people who do complain about modern spongebob are mainly referring to mid seasons of spongebob, which just, isnt modern anymore.

[@PinkGoldPeach23105]

Seasons 1 to 3: Squidward gets "tortured" because he deserves it Seasons 4 to 15: Squidward grts tortured because yes

[@blockotheblock5672]

@@Roy.R. THANK YOU!

[@matthewtartt9422]

How does someone “earn” karma?

[@gamezharks]

The key difference between modern vs vintage Spongebob episodes where Squidward is the butt of the joke is that usually in the older episodes Squidward does something to bring the misfortune on himself, I'm not as big of a Modern Spongebob hater as some but older episodes were just plain more strongly written, which really applies to all of these examples given.

[@GeteMachine]

Yeah. Old Spongebob at times didn't do anything that would harm squidward at all in the episode premise, but Squidward often brought it on himself because of his cynicism, like in Camping Episode. Squidward was supposed to be kind of a Grinch who thought he was too good for everything, but only liked things at the very end when he actually tries it, but then the world plays a karma joke on him about it. Like at the end of the Snowball Effect, and Idiot Box.

[@theelusivepootisberd7471]

Are you complaining about "modern" spongebob or 2008 spongebob? Cuz that's what it feels like here.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

@@theelusivepootisberd7471 Semantics about a single word, not that important nor does it disprove their point, we all know what they're talking about in this context.

[@pikminman13]

don't torture squidward because he is squidward, torture him because he is acting like squidward

[@ChristopherGrisolia-k7n]

Exactly

[@_Doctor_14]

Fr, modern SpongeBob took that Squidward from him and only left a man who wants peace but never gets it.

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

@@_Doctor_14Even though that happens multiple times in classic spongebob

[@Animestar21]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Again, it comes to how the show is written

[@DeepWeeb]

@@pikminman13 It would appear thw writers think torturing Squidward is always justified because he's the defacto jerk, even when he's just chilling he deserves to be punished

[@idol_wannabe]

most of old "squidward torture" is just squidward getting what he deserved

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

That’s the case with most post sequel spongebob too

[@Red-jl1qr]

​@quangamershyguyyz7166 there are a good handful of newer ones that just don't tho

[@ryvan697]

The Thing is Jellyfishing done wrong, and Good Neighbors is pretty much Naughty Nautical Neighbors done wrong as well.

[@matthewtartt9422]

Hate that kind of comedy.

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

@@ryvan697 Jellyshing was already bad. The Thing is just an even worse ripoff of it

[@walpoleandworcester]

Plus in all of these examples, it was funny and they knew how to balance SpongeBob’s naivety with other parts of his personality.

[@GeteMachine]

Old Spongebob used to have moments when he was voice of reason, idealism, moral clarity, anger, etc that you do not see in modern spongebob.

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

Sounds like an excuse just because you like the older episodes. Oh wait it likely is

[@i_like_lemons]

​@@quangamershyguyyz7166The dude right above you explained why old Spongebob is better, but I bet you didn't bother reading it. You tiktok generation have the attention span of a goldfish.

[@kotzpenner]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166 bro writes his unsolicited replies everywhere

[@just_an_elli]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Modern SpongeBob only feels 2 emotions: Overly-happy and overly-sad. That's it. Meanwhile, Classic SpongeBob showed signs of anger (in Rock Bottom) and even disgust, in episodes like Rock-a-Bye Bivalve and the episode with Krabs' 1st dime. I promise, you will *never* see Modern SpongeBob be disgused at anyone. It doesn't matter how much you enjoy the newer episodes, saying that Modern SpongeBob lacks depth as a character isn't an opinion; it's a fact. Just because you don't want to admit that, it doesn't mean this person is making an excuse. You can enjoy the new episodes *and* admit they aren't perfect. Not every classic episode is perfect either, just more consistent

[@dunkanbulk14]

Spongebob and Patrick warned Squidward about the sea bear, he didn't listen and got what was coming to him, they even tell him to get in the circle, but he still refuses to listen

[@RyanDuttadude]

He thought it was stupid you can’t 100% blame someone for not believing something until seeing it

[@danteyazidjian9620]

It’s kind of sad how it wasn’t Hillenburg leaving the show is what caused people to deliver the notion that the network is disrespecting his wishes, but after he passed away. Rest in peace to him.

[@davidholanda1]

Hillenberg did know about Kamp Koral, he said in the interview that he wasn't seeing any spinoffs, he was executive producer for the Sponge Out of Water and Sponge on the Run if anything, it's WAY more disrespectful to use him to say in his behalf that Nick is disrespecting his wishes despite never being the case

[@isaiahromero9861]

​@@davidholanda1exactly. This is such a disrespectful and ignorant talking point that everyone just parrots as if it has any truth to it. Stephen Hillenburg never even fully left the show, he confirmed that in an interview. I can't stand modern spongebob but I'm not gonna put words in hillenbergs mouth just to prove my point.

[@Radeon_knocks]

​​@@davidholanda1THIS. I can't believe nobody wants to talk about this just because it fits with their "Modern SpongeBob bad!!" agenda. So disgusting

[@shadowsoulless6227]

I did not know the man personally so I will not attest to any opinions he had

[@JrIcify]

Other people have already explained but I also urge you to please stop spreading this spiteful rumor about somebody's death. I doubt he would want to be talked about like this or for anyone to feel like spongebob has been desecrated and can't be enjoyed anymore. It's been going on way too long and it's nice to see pushback against it.

[@MagerBlutooth]

Modern Spongebob has become Plankton trying to steal the secret formula from classic SpongeBob. And they have the same success rate.

[@amari648]

Actually, they’ve been doing a lot more stuff with Plankton than just that. The episodes with him and Karen where he’s not trying to steal the Krabby Patty formula are actually decent and hilarious. It also shows that Plankton can be more than just the main villain.

[@Fanwithnoimator]

@@amari648it also shows how Plankton’s the best character nowadays

[@user-rx7pd1xv4k]

@@amari648 I think the commenter is saying that new Spongebob is like Plankton, and old Spongebob is like the original krabby patty formula. New Spongebob wishes it could be as successful as the original, like Plankton vs. Krabs's secret formula

[@mechajay3358]

If these are the only kinds of evidences fans of Modern SpongeBob have to defend their the current seasons, then they completely do not get why the older seasons are a classic.

[@Sinep42]

The old seasons are trash as well.

[@mechajay3358]

​@@Sinep42 Yeah keep telling yourself that.

[@mechajay3358]

​@@Sinep42Keep telling yourself that

[@spiritsofwolves]

@@Sinep42if you don't like spongebob then im not sure why you're on this video but you do you i guess.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

Exactly! Imstead of saying "the modern seasons are actually better than you think for these reasons" they go on the attack with "thenold seasons are worse than you think" as if this is some kind of zero sum game.

[@awespongebob]

No Patrick, Naughty Nautical Neighbors is not a torture episode

[@SuperRoblox8175]

The thing is that in seasons 1 - 3 (and maybe 4) is that Squidward actually deserved it, or it was funny. It has a reason for it to happen. Meanwhile in choir boys, Squidward gets tortured because he doesn't want to do anything with SpongeBob and has to go somewhere

[@AzuresMorada]

*raises hand* Jellyfishing isn’t either

[@albertthepeacock8020]

I liked that episode

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

Jellyfishing is though

[@Saberfart]

True, i grew up with it so its good

[@somechuvak2174]

SpongeBob and Patrick both feel bad/apologize at the end of Jellyfishing. It demonstrates a level of sensitivity you don't see in LateBob

[@ItsSalvatore]

This comment gets a lot of things wrong so i’m gonna point it out. They don’t really feel bad or even apologize at all in that episode, when Squidward got repeatedly stung by the big jellyfish they didn’t even try and help they just backed away and just left him there. And when they “apologize” they gift him the thing that tortured him, and then at the end the big jellyfish comes back and zaps him again. And saying that SpongeBob doesn’t have that “sensitivity” anymore is also not true. For example in Pineapple RV they got rid of the brake that was holding Squidward’s RV so it crashes and Squidward is feeling depressed and sadly goes back into his home. SpongeBob and Patrick do feel bad and sorry for what they did so SpongeBob turns his pineapple into an RV to take him to still see the purple flower. And when the flower unexpectedly rotted and Squidward gets beat up by the people and the seabears and is feeling sad again SpongeBob actually surprises him with the flower and lets him see it bloom and play his clarinet with it without something going wrong in the end like it decomposing again or Squidward getting blown up or etc, so Squidward actually wins in that episode while showing SpongeBobs sensitivity as well! There’s other examples of this in modern seasons but this is getting too long lol

[@somechuvak2174]

@ItsSalvatore >And when they “apologize” they gift him the thing that tortured him, and then at the end the big jellyfish comes back and zaps him again. Squidward only gets stung again because he choses to sic the captured jelly on them in revenge. It's basically the show comedically saying the lex talionis is bad even if SpongeBob and Patrick are idiots and what they did was wrong. And SpongeBob explicitly says they're sorry >And saying that SpongeBob doesn’t have that “sensitivity” anymore is also not true. I'm definitely not an expert on the later seasons and didn't mean to imply that LateSponge never has that sensitivity. But from I've seen of the later seasons SpongeBob doesn't really come off as well-intentioned as before.

[@INTERNECION101]

​@@ItsSalvatore wow THIS comment gets a lot of things wrong

[@assadguy]

New SpongeBob feels like an overexaggeration of old SpongeBob. It’s not about what new SpongeBob does, it’s about how often it’s done.

[@DirtyDev]

Spongeass

[@stevonwhite8933]

It’s also tries to milk iconic moments and memes, and count that as original ideas.

[@lpfan4491]

Reminds me of the "My leg!" episode and the only proper gag in it is the leg suddenly showing up on TV, but otherwise it is just yelled repeatedly like online hypermemeing.

[@Yipper64]

1:00 there's a difference between being naïve for the sake of comedy that carries the whole episode, and something that the entire joke is "haha dumb"

[@Honeybunny_bun]

I wish more people would understand in the older episodes where Squidward gets "tortured" is just him getting his comeuppance in a cartoonish fashion, he tries to be an ass to spongebob and the world gets back at him because spongebob won't be an ass to him back. He's a hater so his karma spits it right back at him.

[@Cartoons69420]

So help me God if I hear another one of those "but old SpongeBob had wacky faces to" phrases I’m gonna crash out

[@CornbreadFish]

“but old SpongeBob had wacky faces too” (JOKE)

[@awespongebob]

Old spongebob had jokes too so why do you only dislike modern SpongeBobs jokes🧐🧐🧐

[@Cartoons69420]

@@CornbreadFish I crashed out

[@CornbreadFish]

@@Cartoons69420 just like my drunk dad did on a tree /j

[@AzuresMorada]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Cartoons69420I’m getting severe brain rot from the phrase crash out

[@GeteMachine]

Modern spongebob bringing back Nosferatu a lot, is an example of overdoing a call-back... Especially when there is no joke for it to be relevant. They just bring it back for familiarity for people to think the newer stuff is funny, because of the old episode reference.

[@crazycockatoo5816]

They also do the same with the whole "My Leg" thing from what I have heard.

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

​@@crazycockatoo5816 they also brought back the imagination box, scary robot and many other things just for the sake of nostalgia baiting.

[@andykishore]

And they even have a child version of him named Kidferatu.

[@Mario209Productions]

I swear. They're trying to milk this show to oblivion.

[@GeteMachine]

The problem with modern spongebob is that it traded its witty dialogue, gag set-up and ironic humor (The Salty Splatoon, Band Geeks, Imitation Krabs, and Wet Painters episodes are good examples of it done right), for just louder and more over-the-top slaptsick and distorted faces but nothing actually funny to remember. Its why post-movie spongebob just isn't as quotable.

[@blockotheblock5672]

You got the era wrong, that’s post sequel your talking about

[@ImPhynsa]

It's just a worst version of Ren & Stimpy. Same people making the show now

[@andykishore]

I still see wacky faces and hyper characters in the new episodes though.

[@spyishere3054]

Not even just that do you feel like the characters don’t feel like themselves anymore sometimes? When I watch the modern seasons of SpongeBob, I get this impression that I’m not watching the same character anymore, they feel like completely different characters i’m watching entirely who just so happens to look like them and sound like them.

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

Modern SpongeBob is just random and stupid for the sake of being random and stupid. In general I think one of the big problems with modern mainstream media is how it takes itself less seriously (for example modern pop music sounds way worse than old pop)

[@Marioqt2003]

Another issue is spongebob and squidward's relation ship. Like classic squidward didn't out right despise him. He was just annoyed by his antics, which half of the time didn't even affect him, and at points was shown to really care about him. Spongebob is probably one of the friends that squidward would have, although his pride would probably keep him from saying that.

[@jamiesargent1318]

Pause at 10:25 and read the unhighlighted part, it states that Hillenburg did want to make the movie. Literally contradicting themselves with their own sources!

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

I typed Modern SpongeBob in the KZbin search bar, your channel is the first thing that popped up.

[@wfanking1187]

SpongeBob season 1-4 had a charm modern SpongeBob just can't recapture.

[@destinyallen1749]

Finally, someone that actually likes season 4.

[@destinyallen1749]

Seasons 1-5 are my favorite seasons, season 6 started the downfall of the series for me.

[@finnodile360]

I hate how they say stuff like "oohhhh spongebob acted stupid in the early episodes" like sure, he did SOMETIMES, but he always learnt a lesson and grew as a person. Modern spongebob shits on this.

[@CélesteBelle505]

Engagement.

[@CélesteBelle505]

Oh cool thanks for the heart. ❤

[@Abexian2234]

The Algorithm demands engagement.

[@CélesteBelle505]

@@Abexian2234 that it does.

[@BeachioSandschannel]

Those tweets are some of the biggest examples of whataboutism I have seen in my life.

[@brunettebi4111]

Pretty ironic coming from someone who defends ableism and likes an overrated game, but I guess even awful people have standards. Double standards, but still standards I guess.

[@just_an_elli]

Another way NOT to defend modern SpongeBob: Don't call a season that aired 20+ years ago "modern" 😂 (seriously, why are we still calling season 6 "modern")

[@bugonboris6681]

Yah, I think it makes more sense to call it "post-movie SpongeBob" if we're talking about anything past the first SpongeBob movie. Whether we like it or not, a few of those post-movie Seasons are part of Gen Z just like the pre-movie era.

[@austinreed7343]

@@bugonboris6681 Indeed, the Dark Era is getting on in years.

[@Smith-fg1qb]

This seems to happen with a lot of long running shows like family guy

[@anthonylucero6650]

You’re a mook😒

[@anthonylucero6650]

Oh shut up ya mook😒

[@jacobybennett8163]

Imagine being a Modern SpongeBob fan watching the OG episodes for the first time.

[@Arlondev]

It baffles me how they don't understand this. Like, modern spongebob has grossout boring slop for EVERY SINGLE EPISODE and modern fans go "yeah but this one scene in season 4 was kinda like that" and think its a win. You're comparing like 3 minutes of squidward torture in an episode to 3 entire seasons of just pure, concentrated squidward torture

[@Umbra_Ursus]

The funny thing with the Squidward TP? It used to work, because he'd bring a lot of it upon himself (He even says "Remember your karma, Squidward", at one point). Somewhere along the line, they just started tormenting Squidward for being present, more than him doing anything.

[@ShiltzThePleb]

The Scumbob Wiki is freaking hilarious, I don't actually browse on it myself (because screw fandom), but I've seen a number of the pages from critique videos (Namely, PhantomStrider's) and Jesus Christ, the hyperbole is insane.

[@TallManVanitas]

Squidward’s pain is only funny when it’s brought on himself, he’s got Wile E. Coyote syndrome. The other three episodes besides Jellyfishing work because Squidward was being a jerk first and the repercussion was all brought on himself.

[@deepsea_isopod]

Best defence: "i like it"

[@djradish4]

Modern SpongeBob basically treats Squidward like Meg

[@EvilCosmodore]

Buddy it's not 2014 anymore

[@johndoe-vl3ye]

New SpongeBob is literally just the “haha that guy got hit in the head with a coconut” show that Patrick was watching

[@the3dluxe53]

They brought back Nosferatu? The character who was only there for a one time gag and then never shows up again? That ruins the whole point of the gag.

[@adrianpaul1985]

Yeah having him be an actual character removes the absurdity of the joke.

[@e2b265]

Saying “Mr Krabs is greedy” as a point against the show is the equivalent of getting mad at a cashier for putting onions in your burger when you didn’t ask for no onion

[@Oni_Kami_]

I mean, we all know Modern SpongeBob fans are not the brightest... But damn, this is a new low

[@Sinep42]

SpongeBob sucks in general.

[@humbleskye]

Flats was originally intended to be a supporting character and a bully in the boating school from the beginning. It was in the pitch bible. They just only ever did one season 3 episode with him and he had a couple of non-speaking appearances early on in Texas and Sandy's Rocket.

[@jay_344]

i don’t watch modern episodes or interact with the fan base, so it’s funny to hear that people take issue with squidward having a bad time. it’s what he gets for being an angry dude and it’s not like it matters considering the show isn’t real life

[@INfinity13-t3w]

Classic SpongeBob is quite smarter than modern spongebob

[@mikeyg9958]

How to defend modern Spongebob: I like the Looney Tunes style expressive animation and slapstick humor and classic Spongebob doesn’t provide that.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

And though many will say its overplayed in modern seasons, that boils down to a matter of personal aptaste at that point, therefore because alot more easily defensible.

[@michaelscott8901]

Who is old enough to have twitter but watches new SpongeBob. Wild

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

New SB is good tho

[@braziliantsar]

​@@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingyIt's not.

[@andykishore]

Me.

[@carinaslima]

New SB isn’t all bad, there are some gems like Mimic Madness, Scavenger Pants, My Leg, Squid Noir, Karen’s Virus, Big Top Flop, Plankton and the Beanstralk (or something), BassWard…

[@Sprigatitto740]

Me. I'm an enjoyer of ALL eras of Spongebob

[@unknown6390]

Squidward getting his ass beat in pre movie Spongebob was written well, was funny, and was surrounded by a decent plot

[@thardump859]

The thing about Mr. Krabs being greedy is that it's literally part of his character. That's like being mad at the show because plankton tries to steal the formula. It's just how these characters are designed. The reason they let him get greedy in the older seasons is because he always ALWAYS gets his comeuppance like getting punished in the jellyfish jelly episode where he gets zapped to a crisp by the jellyfish. That's the difference between the older episodes and the post first movie episodes. Not because Mr. Krabs is being greedy, because he always was. It's because literally nothing comes of it. Nowadays, from what I've heard, they just removed that trait completely because apparently the stupid writers are physically incapable of writing this trait in without either Mr Krabs learning from this trait or getting his comeuppance for it. It was just there to make the show that more cruel and unfair.

[@bugonboris6681]

I mean, he didn't exactly get in trouble in Born Again Krabs from what I remember, but Squidward called him out and he regretted his terrible decision. To be fair though, there are A FEW times he gets in trouble in the post-movie episodes that are actually even more satisfying than the pre-movie ones like when he had to give away free Krabby Patties at the end of The Patty Caper or when he got arrested for running a dangerous ride in The Wreck of the Mauna Loa.

[@thardump859]

@bugonboris6681 I would count born again krabs as being taught a lesson. Which also kind of happened in the squeaky boots episode. Where he didn't get outright punished but still learned something in the end.

[@andykishore]

@@thardump859 Mr. Krabs getting the hiccups at the end of "Squeaky Boots" could be considered the punishment.

[@bugonboris6681]

@@andykishore YES! Infact, Squeaky Boots is honestly one of my favorite episodes because of the fact that Mr. Krabs basically has a perfect balance of everything. He's a little sympathetic since he had a rough night and couldn't escape the constant Squeaking, but on the hand, he IS technically at fault since he gave SpongeBob those boots using manipulation and also goes a little too insane at the end when he eats the boots, but he's not even overly bad to the point where he's insufferable either because I find his flip out scene to be really funny plus he has his good traits as he helps make SpongeBob feel better AND he actually gives Pearl those Pink Slippers at the end. All that AND the fact that he gets those hiccups at the end as a cherry on top really makes this one of the best episodes I've seen. Not to mention, even though the boots squeaking may come off as annoying, I'm honestly unbothered by them and just found SpongeBob goofing around with them to be quirky and silly. Sorry this comment is long, but this might actually be my favorite episode from Season 1 just because of how genuinely enjoyable it was to me, and I really wanted to express my enjoyment for that episode!

[@aquaintsound]

Krabs being greedy is something people like because lots of bosses are greedy. I cant believe we have to explain that he's an antagonist

[@RatedX29]

Yeah. I agree.. and calling band geeks mid is insane

[@perrytheplatypus4620]

2:39 AWWW HELLL NAH PRACTICE IS RASCISCT?!?!!1?1!?1

[@Duskool]

Aww hell nah, ain't no way Platinum said that to splonglerblop

[@CC-pg6dl]

AWW HELL NAH, MR.CARBS SOLD SPONKBOP FOR 62 SENSE

[@ryvan697]

Aww hell nah, Skidmark messing with Spogbunch and Patrice.

[@curtisbrown547]

The issue is that the writers noticed that its funny when Squidward gets hurt, but not "why" its funny.

[@Silver_007_DM]

"House Fancy" is literally the most devious and diabolic act Squidward endure curtuos of Patrick

[@EvilCosmodore]

House Fancy is actually a pretty alright episode and the only reason people hate it is cuz of the toenail scene.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

@@Silver_007_DM Bro, Squilliam Returns is more of a STE than House Fancy

[@chairsilla]

​@@EvilCosmodore house fancy is like D or E tier at best, but the toenail scene puts it in high F tier

[@MasontheRedman]

Squidward Won in that Episode

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

@@chairsilla Bro, don’t act like a 8 second scene that isn’t important in the story can ruin an episode. The key difference between the Toenail Scene and The Splinter is that in House Fancy, the toenail scene is so short that you can easily skip it or close your eyes when it comes up, and it’s not important in the story. On the other hand, The Splinter solely relies on gross-out humor as a selling point.

[@stupidgoomba7587]

"there's too many sequel episodes" the only sequel episodes in seasons 1-3 are "Squilliam Returns" and "Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy 2-5" That's like 5 out of 127 (i think) total episodes.

[@GamePlague]

That's less a list of sequel episodes and more a list of sequel-like titles. Using the movie definition of sequel for individual episodes of a tv show is just silly. For most TV shows every episode is a "sequel" or "prequel" to all previous episodes because it reuses characters and locations. If you really think about it, all boating episodes are "sequels," all plankton episodes are "sequels" and so on. An actual sequel spongebob episode is when they take a plot/concept from an early season and blatantly reuse it without adding anything of value. You could call it a reboot or a modern reimagining or whatever but the biggest problem is not that they are sequels. It is that the episodes are relying on their "sequel" status to get nostalgia attention instead of getting views by making good episodes. If they made a time travel sequel as good as the "mermaidman sequels" then nobody would be complaining.

[@MyScorpion42]

Wow, it hit that many episodes by season 3?

[@Sprigatitto740]

There's also Mermaid Man and Barnacle 6 (a season 4 episode)

[@noobbox9113]

Thumbnail goes crazy

[@InkyGhoul]

Band Geeks is one of the best cartoon episodes- or cartoon short films in general.

[@adonysus]

"BAND GEEKS BEING MID????" I'M GONNA COMMIT A CRIME!! TWITTER COUNT YOUR DAYS

[@arzuozturk6460]

if you f around, you find out. if you dont f around but still find out, thats squidward torture

[@Spongenado]

As a fan of classic, mid, and modern SpongeBob, these arguments are outright ridiculous

[@boom_fish_blocky]

Arguably, Krabs being greedy is one of the funniest parts about SpongeBob. It's the extremely sarcastic, money-loving kingpin that we all like.

[@hypemugen]

Season 1, 2 and 3 just cant be matched

[@Sinep42]

They’re like 3 episodes total from those seasons that are actually good.

[@PinkGoldPeach23105]

Seasons 4 to 15 can't be matched, nothing can be as abysmal as them

[@keganflood7682]

@@Sinep42bait used to be believable

[@Sinep42]

@@keganflood7682 not bait I’m being serious

[@DefinitelyNotALivingMistake]

​@@PinkGoldPeach23105 I'd argue that Season 4-6 were just alright seasons, then anything.

[@mrnolastname3953]

modern spongebob feels over the top obnoxious while older spongebob feels very casual and nonchalant about it's absurdity

[@hackidreemurr]

Classic Squidward is devious and manipulative and gets punished for that. Modern Squidward just wants to chill and gets tortured for no reason

[@BlazingKhioneus]

It's like Tom and Jerry Tales. The plot for 99% of those episodes is Tom/Jerry: Minding their own business, not affecting the other. Jerry/Tom: Ohoho! I think not! and then they start fighting whereas in the classic episodes, there was a reason for them to fight, like Jerry trying to sleep inside the piano Tom is currently playing for a concert, or Tom's serenade for the lady cat not letting Jerry get any sleep, or Jerry gets spotted by Tom's owners and now he needs to catch the mouse, or an ever classic Tom: Mmm, yummy mice. Me want eat.

[@ExtremeWreck]

Sad as this is, at least that fella ain't daring to defend Sanjay And Craig. Seriously, how did any human being watch that show & say that they liked it? *HOW!?!?*

[@anonymentor1775]

idk it was fun

[@LegendarySuperVegeta]

*lists Naughty Nautical Neighbors as a Squidward torture porn* Me: ??????

[@BlazingKhioneus]

Also where did he get tortured in the episode outside of spongebob and patrick being needy little brats trying to cling to their new best friend to show the other guy he doesnt need him? Also if they're counting squidward choking as TP, then they're clearly beyond reasoning.

[@AnimeMLG]

The thing i miss in Spongebob is what you used to learn in the episodes and have one or two silly jokes that are to this day iconic.

[@reversalmushroom]

What that person doesn't seem to understand is older episodes had misfortune befall Squidward either as a direct result of him own shitty actions or the universe paying him back for being an asshole. He deserved it, whereas post-movie episodes just have bad things happen to him just because it's Squidward, even though he didn't do anything.

[@catlover476]

Have you ever watched Pamtri? He’s a 3d animator who makes parodies, sometimes on SpongeBob. He’s basically well known for his amateurish animations that have made him gain popularity years ago.

[@J4R0D]

*S A N T I A G O*

[@gelitonman1753]

Newer Spongebob feels like it's a ripoff of older Spongebob. Like they're trying to copy the formula of what made the older stuff great, and we know what the success rate of formula theft in the show is like

[@pandapruitt2542]

There are people that actually unironically defend new spongebob? News to me

[@y2commenter246]

They call fans of the original seasons "SpongeBoomers" LOL

[@pandapruitt2542]

@@y2commenter246 That is hilarious, whats also hilarious is that they like the newer seasons fr XD idk how someone can like that level of slop and be an even young teen like 11

[@EvilCosmodore]

​@@pandapruitt2542Modern SpongeBob is not slop. But you know what is actual slop? All these predatory content farms with Skibidi Toilet, Pomni, etc that children watch these days.

[@EvilCosmodore]

​@@y2commenter246God forbid we like anything past the first movie.

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

Are they blind to the amount of annoyance and fetishes in the show?

[@miragenights801]

Spongebob is NOT stupid by character. Naive =/= stupidity. My issue is he sees through Plankton literally the first time they met so he should know he's untrustable

[@benro6564]

Its crazy that the stuff squidward had to do because he (as far as he knew) fed Spongeob a bomb that would kill him is less severe than his 'punishments' in newer episodes where he is just trying to mind his own business. Even in episodes like Jellyfishing where he doesn't do much wrong, he only got injured in the first place from an accident, and he literally could not tell them to stop. Thats a lot different than begging sponge and pat to stop but them not listening

[@AntSugar]

How is having a reoccurring character considered bringing back stuff from old episodes?

[@KoolKickoo]

The people who think modern SpongeBob is better probably watch skibidi toilet

[@hoobsug]

What's wrong with skibidi toilet again

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

​@@hoobsug toilet humor is for infants.

[@hoobsug]

@@kittenscratchanimeart name one toilet joke from skibidi toilet

[@AzuresMorada]

@@hoobsugskibidi *toliet*

[@dromie5059]

​@@hoobsug The whole concept is a toilet joke

[@hackidreemurr]

9:25 Those are actually not sequel episodes, but Mermaidman and Barnacle Boy is an in universe TV show which Spongebob and Patrick watch. It's supposed to be a series

[@austinreed7343]

People seem to have forgotten the Dark Era by now; I’d argue the Post-Hillenberg has gotten just as bad but for different reasons.

[@Aceburn5]

SpongeBob is just like Kanye. I miss the old Kanye and also the old SpongeBob

[@dinohall2595]

Also, even if these were valid comparisons, they would not be a good defense of modern SpongeBob since they don't explain why modern SpongeBob is good. Effectively, they're trying to drag down classic SpongeBob so they can say the modern episodes aren't _that_ much worse.

[@JaydanBurdaTCGC]

Istg, I do not want people to tell me "oLd sPOnGeBob hAD weIrD fAcEs" for the last time. It wasn't a Modern Spongebob exclusive thing, man.

[@RyanDuttadude]

Old SpongeBob has weird faces.😂 😂😂

[@bugonboris6681]

@@RyanDuttadude Good one!

[@RyanDuttadude]

@@bugonboris6681 thanks

[@0Mister-Sun0]

5:04 this is a really good example of how cartoons are supposed to work, most classic cartoons take the idea of means to an end s As well as taking into consideration the character’s motivations, unlike real life where it’s only the end that matters most of the time, so since squidward is taking the day off because he’s lazy, he gets tormented by himself because of his desired goal being rooted in laziness, this doesn’t work when squidward actually feels tormented by his job already and has a good reason to not go to work. 5:48 as I’ve demonstrated before, weather a character gets punished matters, Mr. Krabs doesn’t ever receive punishment in the new episodes, but in these he does.

[@GeteMachine]

What people ignore about old Spongebob Squidward torture is that there were two categories and two outcomes. If Squidward brings it on himself for something he does, he usually gets retribution for it by the end and gives in to defeat. If he isn't the cause of it, he will usually get some sort of reward for enduring it or ironically he wins in the end in a small way. Modern spongebob, makes torturing the point of an episode and it just ends with him being set up for more.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

Yeah, like in Jellyfishing, he gets revenge by sending the jellyfish after spongebob and patrick.

[@INTERNECION101]

​@@BlazingKhioneus Or technically Band Geeks where everyone was messing up but locked in on the final day. Giving my boy a W

[@SatiricalSheep]

im someone who tends to give the newer episodes a chance and even i can agree that most of the op's points are pretty silly

[@brazilianpunk]

Last night I dreamt I watched spongebob and the episode was enjoyable, the scenes changed fast but I was like "might still be fast-paced but it's actually good again!" and I also thought "Awe is surely gonna make a video on this episode" 😂 unfortunately now that I'm awake I realize the plot was like, non-existent, but the characters were interacting normally with each other without the exaggerated faces every millisecond

[@yungtrashman6254]

definitely a dream

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

It's funny how sometimes when you're dreaming of watching a movie/episode you can get pretty interested into the plot, but when you wake up you realize how weird and/or lackluster the plot was. That happens to all the time.

[@firestarex3544]

Speaking of references to older episodes, there was an newer one I recently saw that rapid-fired so many old references so quickly I felt like I was having a stroke. A quick cameo isn't comparable to whatever happened there. Edit: It's the episode where Patrick gets a new pet rock and this geode-hunter guy trys repeatedly to crack it open.

[@hackidreemurr]

Compliment: You kinda sound like the Spongebob's narrator and I like it

[@tizianotoscano5192]

I remember when i was a kid,back in 2011/12, I was so jealous of you American guys,because when season 9 began airing in the US ,we were still watching the usual,endless reruns of seasons 6-8 here in Italy,and those seasons became my least favorites.They never aired any reruns of seasons 1-5 and It took nearly 2 years for us to catch on to season 9,I had to watch the new episodes in english on KZbin or Kisscartoon,and those seasons became my favorites.Bottomline is,while pre-movie Spongebob is definitley the best era of the show,we can't deny that we're all a little biased in this debate

[@jonahcraft7]

I have the appreciation that SpongeBob has influence all of us I happy this show exist.

[@aheendwhz1]

Modern Spongebob doesn't use the same characters. I first thought writers don't understand the characters, but even old writers writing modern versions completely miss what the characters were originally about. So it seems like they changed them on purpose? The new characters are dull and inconsistent. The new episodes are not fun, because the way the characters add doesn't feel legit. And that's not just because I know the old characters, the new characters are just badly written.

[@memezboi489]

Modern Spongebob would get Classic Spongebob killed

[@legendarycryptid2629]

6:49 As someone who never hated One Coarse Meal and still doesn't, Plankton kinda voided his victory when he decided to take advantage of Krabs's metamfiezomaiophobia to steal the formula. As harsh as Krabs using his Cetaphobia (which if you wanna be technical, should've been used for _sperm_ whales since those mainly feed on plankton) to keep him from stealing the formula was (mainly because he dressed up as Pearl and harassed him for days when he could've used the holograms for a bit outside his restaurant like guard dogs for a bit), he was at least trying to keep his formula safe. As soon as he gets a taste of his phobia, Plankton just goes back to his old antics. The ending could've just been at the mime stuff and people would be satisfied.

[@shadowsoulless6227]

It's different in the earlier episodes because Squidward only got tortured.... VERY SPARINGLY.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

5:22 Sad Krusty Koncessionaires noises

[@ralifano1450]

Unpopular opinion spongebob season 4 and 5 have some good episode like krusty tower

[@estoystrandom5998]

I think every season has good episodes, but the first 3 seasons raised the bar very high, so they look weak in comparison. I think the sand castle episode in season 6 is good. However, if you placed it into season 2, it would be considered fairly subpar or a forgettable episode by that season's standards. I've found season 3 to be the most inconsistent out of the classic era, but its lowest points would be one of the better episodes if they were in something like season 7.

[@JaxNovoa509]

Pretty sure this is far from unpopular at this point.

[@backbreakerer]

Ink Lemonade is an outlier from what I remember. Season 13 brings torture in pretty much every episode.

[@Writengran51]

Yup, squidward torture got vanished from S9b to S11 (modern spongebob prime imo)

[@backbreakerer]

@Writengran51 Season 12 is alright. Miles better than 13 anyways

[@fen_scrawl04]

The old episodes mostly punish squidward, when he did something stupid or mean. While the newer episodes just do it, cause that's the only squidward joke that they can make.

[@reversalmushroom]

Krabs being greedy in the story is fine as long as the tone portrays it as wrong and he gets a consequence, and it's fine in the comedy as long as they craft an actual punchline instead of just having him be greedy and that in itself is supposed to be the joke. Well, no, him simply wanting money isn't enough; you have to get creative with it, make an effort.

[@JasonGodwin69]

I hate it when fans of new shite attack old better stuff. That's not how you get people on your side. Nobody started liking Ma-Rey Sue when Rey fans started attacking Anakin and Luke.

[@Medlair]

There is an episode in modern Spongebob that has Squidward working for the Chum Bucket because he aknowledges how much of a bad ambience the Krusty Krab is and uses his grandma's recipe to bring a new plate but the episode ends with his grandma coming back to abuse him, he comes back to the Krusty Krab and Mr Krab decides to punish him by turning him into a rug. I hate that episode so much, they tried to make Mr Krab seem in the right and Squidward in the wrong but they just showed how much justified he was, how shitty the people around him are and how much of a better boss Plankton is. The episode's morale felt like "You should be forever grateful for what you have, how dare you trying to escape your abuser?"

[@jgee8421]

They can’t even make mermaid man and barnacle boy episodes anymore, so cherish them

[@JaxNovoa509]

That's because their voice actors are dead.