How Oppenheimer Became The ‘Father of the Atomic Bomb’

[@JRL1999]

Billy is right. People in the 40s were coming off a decade of the Great Depression right into a world war and rationing. Not comparable to the Iraq war in the slightest

[@JRL1999]

None of the top 40 economies have gone to war against each other since WW2. Billy was right on a lot this episode and they just disregarded him

[@christophersantarelli4009]

yes, I'm confused why this was so hard for others to comprehend.

[@jonperry501]

Yeah but thats not all on the creation of the atomic bomb. We're literally just more peaceful in general.

[@SamwelloftheGrove]

If he would’ve just stated that it is a good deterrent for the largest economies in the world to not go to war with each other, allowing for progress within your country. There wouldn’t be much push back, he just kept bringing up examples that aren’t exactly correlated so it caused push back

[@jiggaman2892]

Yea he just credited the atomic bomb as the sole reason. That’s where push back comes. If he would be rational just once I wouldn’t have to listen to him babble at the end for 20 min

[@jacksevert3099]

Buddy there have been proxy wars going on between Russia and the West since the end of WW2. Your presupposition can just be that alliances work

[@dopeanimemind7049]

Slowly but surely, the student is becoming the teacher. Billy has grown right before our eyes 🥲

[@johncostigan6460]

Its annoying when Billy is actually correct on something and they just dismiss him

[@jiggaman2892]

Correct on what exactly? He might’ve made one decent point this whole show.

[@goose6658]

It’s because he’s the least articulate podcaster anyones ever heard. Hard to take him seriously even when he’s right

[@chriso5267]

Billy's mind is created to trick himself every 5 minutes. He is more accumulated to be in a straight quinon podcast, so when he talks about conspiracies as much as he does actual facts that come out of his mouth are kind of not taking seriously. He is a smart kid though, and I think pft letting him ramble in moments is his way of showing that he respects his points.

[@jacksonletnbridge9282]

It’s annoying when billy is incorrect and talks incessantly for minutes on end about nonsense

[@johnnytierno6675]

Just the night cap I needed

[@drewmills8669]

As much as I hate to do it… I gotta give billy credit this episode. Great pod all around. Off to Barbenheimer tonight

[@gremlinmode69]

holy shit Arian is actually unbearable

[@jiggaman2892]

Holy shit Billy is actually unbearable.

[@brholmes_]

Cant believe that no one mentioned that jason aldean was the dude on stage when the las vegas shooting broke out

[@nolando1000]

Best episode content you guys have had! Great episode!

[@McComzee]

Billy is the only person I can think of that's had the honor of sitting in both the host seats. What a lucky lucky man.

[@lukebogdanovich3290]

“Some spread!” killed me 😂😂😂

[@MarBudz]

Arian always putting words in people's mouths too. Always belittling people who disagree with his takes. Then uses some big words and some explanations to make it seem like a smart take. Dude low key disrespectful

[@samlawrynk2333]

Omg i was getting sooo frustrated listening to him this episode

[@MarBudz]

@@samlawrynk2333 forreal me 2. I like the guy but goddamn sometimes. They all afraid to call him out

[@jonperry501]

It's not about ppl disagreeing with him. He's totally cool with that and you can see this with the way he treats Big T or other guest. I think Adrian gets irritated with ideas he believe are fully thought out or silly, of which he thinks Billy continuously shoot off. Adrian is like "bro im insulted youre even wasting my time with this bs." And thus he resorts to belittling.

[@lebronisbetterthanjordan9]

Arian was annoying this episode, he straight up does not like billy lmao constantly interrupting him and trying to make him look stupid. I hate billy too but it’s uncomfy

[@treylingumbert8941]

I was kinda salty Billy got kicked off at first. And then I listen to this episode.

[@stevenstevens6149]

THE premier podcast for moderates

[@andyhaufe2776]

Arian thinking cause he doesn't care everyone else around doesn't either

[@TheMunman93]

"your numbers a hypothetical, but mine are totally real." - billy football

[@tifotraveler5223]

Billy’s pronunciation of Leo Szilard was so wrong but so on brand 🤣

[@KrazyJay9712]

You can resolve competitiveness by removing salary cap, if there is a promotion-relegation system. That way owners really can't be cheap or else they get relegated

[@AlIenIsKing]

shockingly it seemed billy was the only person educated on all sides of the subject. The vilification of oppenheimer here is wild

[@alexweber9899]

I don’t understand the argument that the running back market is what it is. If you remove the franchise tag, there will be plenty of teams wanting to sign a 26 year old RB in their prime

[@Fog_raw]

The Nazis were actually pretty far away from getting a bomb. When the allies found the nazi's workshop they said it was laughable how far away they were from getting a bomb

[@aust25]

Billy gets so close to being right but just takes a right turn at the very last second. Just a few google searches about pax America coulda saved him

[@jacksevert3099]

That phrase was first articulated after the Civil War tho which would negate Billy's argument

[@horntj77]

I understand what Arian is upset about with RB’s but the disparity between a top running back and a rookie RB is not enough to justify paying a top RB a massive contract. Not with how pass heavy teams are nowadays. Derrick Henry is the Titans offense and they haven’t done anything

[@chrislaplante4441]

Is Billy moving to chicago now?

[@Twinkthekid1]

jeez after that billy argument I lost so many brain cells idk if I learned anything from the episode

[@chilledpenguins8381]

To Billy's point: why haven't India and Pakistan gone to war with each other yet, despite their incredibly close hostility? Why didn't the USSR invade Western Europe, or the US invade Eastern Europe? Historically, powerful nations and empires do not just simply stop expanding when they bump up against one another; they always tried to expand and become more powerful. The nuclear option has forced these large, powerful empires (including the Cold War era Us) to pause, which allows society at home to progress, and for cooler heads to prevail long term.

[@Keelerblock]

Billy just made my head hurt

[@AnilKumar-xl2te]

He fncked nucleus

[@anthonymcateer2543]

Yo porn Chris Berman had me DYYIINNGGGG!

[@Connerb12]

Pride month 2 fucking slaps

[@jayfabe]

Definitely one of bill's biggest L's.... Jesus dude.

[@blakehunts6571]

Mount Rushmore of cringe : the way Billy says “nuclear”

[@TheMunman93]

hmm i wonder what did more for the reduction of toxic masculinity, 3rd wave feminism, or the nuclear bomb.

[@KrazyJay9712]

There's no way Billy believes half the things he says

[@dabballplaya8200]

Arian Arian Arian

[@Spaceythewave]

1:21:50 absurdly cringe moment😣

[@Fog_raw]

Josh Gordon couldve been the best wr of all-time if he was allowed to play his whole career

[@reedcampbell9]

Crazy nfl ruined his career over weed but just as crazy you’re going to risk tens of millions just to smoke some weed

[@Fog_raw]

@reedcampbell9 but the NFL is run by grown older men that should know better. Gordon was 23 when he was suspended for a year.

[@sloppyjoke6062]

@@Fog_rawwasn’t like the rule was new, if anything he shouldn’t of been able to play in college if it was that bad. How was he able to pass there or did they not test there?

[@Fog_raw]

@sloppyjoke6062 they definitely test in college sports, but I think it's only once a year. At least that's how often it was for college baseball

[@Frank-qz8ut]

don’t get me wrong, i think billy is wrong 99% of the time and is usually a complete idiot. but he was the only one speaking truth this episode. everybody else needs to watch a documentary or two about the decrease in world violence since the nuclear bomb. he couldn’t be more right

[@jacksevert3099]

Truth? If having atomic bombs makes you a democracy than what's the deal with Russia? He negates his whole point when he says Russia is toxic masculinity and we're not because of the bombs... even tho Russia has the bombs also!! Wtf is going on?

[@fm5th13]

billy actually had a good point in that argument he just needed to articulate it better, and arian be playing dumb i swear lol

[@etcheeooo]

youre insane

[@jiggaman2892]

Arian clearly states that he sees no place or time to use a nuclear bomb and stands in that. Billy plays and is dumb. He just word vomits for the last 20 until they have to end the show

[@etcheeooo]

@@jiggaman2892 he got himself in a swirl

[@Frank-qz8ut]

no, Arian is just dumb. classic case of a guy thinking he’s right bc he’s rich

[@jacksevert3099]

Lmao can you even articulate his point?

[@Glock_223]

Arian super self righteous

[@gremlinmode69]

billy W this whole episode.

[@jeremylowe2309]

Wow! Uploaded super early! Nice McKenzie and Maddog!!!!

[@kylematthiesen4816]

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Billy doesn't know what he's talking about. He knows exactly what he's talking about.

[@chilledpenguins8381]

He just has no idea how to talk about it, and makes himself look like an idiot.

[@Deuce6781]

He’s had to publicly detract and apologize for literally dozens of statements and takes he’s made on podcasts that were just completely wrong lol it happens constantly . Just because he had one take you liked in this episode doesn’t change that

[@tylercampbell5259]

Gah damn Arian. Shut up while someone else is talking. Dude has to be right at all times.

[@Fog_raw]

LMAO Billy calling Eric Adams rational is one of the funniest things I've heard in awhile

[@abdelesmaelaich3]

Billy not eloquent enough with his words to get his point across. But the listeners know the message he was trying to get across.

[@jacksevert3099]

Billy is trying to make the connection that the atomic bomb gave rise to democracy yes? How the heck can someone believe that?

[@jakelynch1692]

Billy was on the right track at the end, I don’t think it’s as cut and dry though. Society has changed as well

[@jacksevert3099]

There have been countless proxy wars fought between nations with nukes for the last 70 years so what exactly was he right about?

[@gremlinmode69]

they all have found billy as the easy target since the show started. it’s actually infuriating to listen to arian belittle billy the entire episode when he’s actually making good points and did research on the subject. arian just hops on to every episode without doing significant research and plays all this bullshit moral high ground like saying how we don’t know how many more people would’ve died if we didn’t drop the bomb. pft just agrees with whatever arians take is and teams up against billy. billy might not be able to articulate what he wants to say well but in this case he was speaking facts.

[@alexweber9899]

PFT is actually wrong with the land invasion of Japan reason for the bomb being dropped. It was a rationalization conjured up after the fact to further justify the droppings.

[@macattack144]

As requested PFT: uncertainty principle is the more you know about the speed of a particle, the less you know about its position and vice versa. You can never know both with certainty

[@treymcminn4539]

once again the co-host ruins what wouldve been a great topic, think this show has ran its course

[@zanelott1126]

Arian talking about the franchise tag was awesome

[@udcory]

Don't agree with him. He's acting like guys have to pay for free for one year. You get paid more than almost everyone in the league for that year (at that position, obviously).

[@brandonguzzi8776]

⁠@@udcorySo if you’re at the top of any given field which can only last about 3 years, and you’re being told you can’t be paid your actual market value for 1 of those years, are you just going to roll over and accept it because you consider yourself lucky? Nonsense, you’ve worked harder than anybody to become that great and you’ll want to be paid in accordance to your value especially since that value won’t last long enough to make up that difference in the future. Siding with greedy owners who practically have no risk year to year is a very strange stance

[@udcory]

No.. I'm not saying the franchise tag is a great thing. It may eventually go away, and that may be for the better. I'm essentially just saying, Arian is acting as if an elite player is getting paid pennies, when in reality the pay is very high, compared to almost every other player. I think he's overreacting to how "horrible" it is.

[@robertboam38]

Billy came in strong

[@garrettkraxberger1969]

For having such a strong opinion on the 200,000 lives lost in the bombings Arian is awfully quiet about what Japan did to Nanking which was also estimated at 200,000 deaths and then tens of thousands of rapes

[@TheMunman93]

i will have to ask him but i imagine he would be against the rape of tens of thousands.

[@justoavena8591]

Arian is a big billy hater haha n it shows

[@juandamiennebraska338]

Baby boy Billy is all grown up

[@MeechsMidges]

billy got a point

[@elijahbaker6233]

Listened to all 12 hours of lpotl’s Manhattan project episodes yet I’m still willing to listen to another probably hour or so of much more vague Manhattan project talk

[@tylerbramhall6596]

My pitbull is straight up smarter then Billy

[@MarlonFutures]

Billy cooked up a 4 course meal.

[@MarBudz]

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor first. 2 wrongs don't make a right but they awoke a sleeping giant. They wouldn't have surrendered without the use of the bombs

[@ConnorHead247]

Absolutely right. All Billy had to say was the invasion of Pearl Harbor or the fact that Japan’s ruler was seemingly never going to surrender and send all of his people to war instead. Nuclear warfare is horrible but it also lead to more tensions in the future than all out wars.

[@HtownChan]

Billy is a man of convictions. I respect the shit out of him. I wish that nukes didn’t happen but for sure has been a deterrent

[@jiggaman2892]

Lmao huh? Billy just stands on finding some outlandish contrarian point every. Single. Time. It’s not unique. It’s almost never thought out enough. Maybe he should work on that some more

[@HtownChan]

@@jiggaman2892 i disagree kinda. I really believe that even though he does have bad takes, i think he thinks them out and stands by them. This episode i feel like he was right this time. It’s rare but he was right. That’s why before he started making the toxic masculinity stuff even Big T was like i see billy point. You right though, he does have some bad takes, but i don’t think he just talking to talk.

[@Deuce6781]

Everything he “stands for” and these “convictions” are just things he watched or heard on social media or other pods in the last few days and then regurgitated on the podcast without the source. Sorry but hard disagree

[@paulroland5053]

Best rap skits.... Prince Paul politics of the business. Dave Chappelle is even on that album

[@joeym6628]

Rare Billy W about it being a peaceful time. Pax Americana is a real thing as far as I can tell. Recently watched a video on this stuff

[@samlawrynk2333]

Billy says a lotta stupid shit but it drives me crazy when they dismiss every single thing he says even when he says something correct

[@Deezy3211]

Billy was spot on on this and they did that weird annoying thing where they discredit and tear him down. As little as Billy knows about history, PFT and Arian seem to know significantly less

[@jacksevert3099]

That phrase first came about before WW2 tho which would negate Billy's entire point

[@caseymann12]

Billy really ended on a heater with the Nuke ended toxic masculinity

[@jonperry501]

"I was on the cusp of understanding what you're saying " .. til you went there. 😂

[@anthonymignano5918]

Billy couldn’t be more wrong about Eric adams lmao he’s completely doing the opposite of what he said

[@thebrodyyy997]

PFT at 2:17:02 saying the San script line when that’s exactly how they portrayed it in the movie 💀💀💀

[@trevorgarbrandt1799]

I feel like billy might’ve been right on some of his stuff but he articulates stuff so poorly that it’s hard to see if it’s a good point lol

[@scooterdooo]

Have a great day everyone

[@SantaIsSoFly]

You too scoot

[@noname-ni1qt]

You too, God bless.

[@tank2837]

Billy was what like -4 in 2001? Why he talking like he was experiencing 9:11

[@udicruz77]

Domestic Abuse (Beginning of time - 8/06/1945) shout out to nukes

[@paulroland5053]

2:23:00 Billy's stat is invalid because nlit doesn't count Korean war, Vietnam, or any of the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts because none of them are technically considered wars. They are all conflicts, because Congress hasn't officially declared war since ww2

[@coleseavey7589]

Long pods are the best

[@capybarapapi]

billy take your damn hair out of your hat 🤣🤣

[@garrettkraxberger1969]

Shane Gillis has some interesting takes on the bombs, even though he’s known for jokes he’s still a history major in college, the short answer is yes we should’ve dropped the bombs. Japan for what they were doing in Asia had it coming they were being some bad boys. Also Billy was right the first bomb was for Japan and the second was for the soviets.

[@ignoremyhandle]

lol, billy is not right... but ok

[@stuartblodgettjr195]

Let Billy cook

[@chachdanko]

Montè Python

[@thebrodyyy997]

Arian hates the idea 2:51:05 but Billy’s right it’s the truth

[@jacksevert3099]

Does Billy know that democracies existed before the atomic bomb?

[@jiggaman2892]

I hate hearing Billy talk. How can any of you say he’s just flat out right? That last 20 min was excruciating to listen too. He might have maybe 1 point for every thousand that’s actually valid and not some frat boy conspiracy shit. I can’t relate to his brain at all but I knew mfs just like him in college, and I hated all of y’all. Think I’ll make a point to comment more often because this shit is out of hand.

[@DannyNinez]

PMT in a Necaxa hat🇲🇽🙌🏼

[@udcory]

Big T complains about Oppenheimer's grammar, as he pronounces "sentence" without a "T". 🤔🤔🤔

[@garrettkraxberger1969]

Love how the comments are on Billy’s side. Basically until there’s a nuclear war to PFT and Arians point, which would be worse than us not winning WWII, Billy is right until proven otherwise

[@Conzore]

I haven’t been watching but i hope PFT has mentioned Alex Jones’ book

[@tylerw7492]

The signs on the wall behind PFT are giving So True

[@samuelgeorge3407]

Perfect for the weekend 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@Philbock48]

Great episode guys

[@connyethompson]

Rum drinks are the best.

[@Radiant26]

Been looking forward to this one.

[@ftblfntic123]

Is it me or are pft’s naked eyes more beautiful than normal

[@udcory]

His eyes STILL weird me out.

[@dreeeezy4099]

New intro ?? Fire !!!!!!

[@dohnjoe24]

BOLD statement by Arian saying, “I’m anti-war.” How high is this guy rn?

[@purerubish]

MLB has a ton of player control early on that hurts some guys money making ability. Disagree with Arian that the NFL is the only league with a franchise tag when MLB has arbitration which is fairly similar.

[@Fog_raw]

Arbitration is very different cause it effects every player whether they're good or bad. The Franchise tag exists only to hamstring a top player from getting the contract they deserve and only favors the team