How Paper Rex WON 13-0! | PRX vs TLN Analysis

[@msfjarvis]

"Congratulations Talon in advance" is bold

[@AintMeTU]

It's bold to tell jokes

[@nhhga]

PRX won apac vct

[@hermosas_rosas]

it's not bold, it's statistics

[@xbrandoncbx]

So this is how hard Paper Rex is trying to save Alecks’ desk

[@cloudyskyz2237]

Then they proceeded to throw final map for a bit so not really sure what their plan is lol

[@JohnDoe-gt3jr]

​@@cloudyskyz2237 you're trying to correlate "plan" with Paper Rex. Think about that for a second.

[@EndomouEnd]

​@@cloudyskyz2237Throwing is part of the plan

[@priscar2884]

@@EndomouEnd throwing in the final is the plan

[@jeffeyL]

​@@cloudyskyz2237 first time PRX giving U a heart attack?

[@dsuffers3032]

FNS: "We need to win 12 rounds on attack" PRX: "Bet" FNS: *surprised Pikachu face*

[@touyakami1406]

I'd like to think the breach adaptation didn't have anything to do with the stuns at all, and the discussion went something like "Eh 2 flash like not enough leh" "3 duelist phoenix or yoru?" "No later alecks angry, do kayo gekko?" "I lazy do lineup blyat" "Breach?" "Breach"

[@Player-fg4ub]

LMAO I CAN IMAGINE THIS

[@nits1185]

nice impression man, spot on 💯

[@hyunji18]

LMAOO this is the answer for sure

[@ManInGlasses]

🔥🔥🔥🔥 it 100% went like that 😂😂😂

[@anoobis_]

The 'blyat' is 100% accurate 😭😭

[@nataletan101]

“Something is a ranked e-dater asking for heals gimme gimme” had me dead

[@TheUrizen]

Timestamp?

[@hermosas_rosas]

@@TheUrizen15:10

[@JeSt4m]

The biggest tell is actually Talon reaction after this match : They laughed. This map is so one sided the only thing they can do is to shrug it off and go next. PRX diffed them so hard in this map they skipped the whole Denial-Anger-Bargaining-Depression shit and went straight to acceptance.

[@aihsur]

i really have no idea how people have fun playing this map, obviously this is an extreme example but it is actually so one sided, playing either side t or ct seems essentially meaningless

[@Thirdphp]

@@aihsuru know whats worse? when viper and cypher gets nerfed in Shanghai, everything is gonna be T sided

[@pineapplelord2422]

@@aihsur idk man lotus is so fun its such an aggro map for both sides, depending on how you play lmao

[@ERSA-o5x]

@@pineapplelord2422 I agree, but they need to make it a little more defensive sided so it’s like fracture in which it’s somewhat both even instead of expecting 9-3 8-4 and 10-2s for the attacking side every half

[@pineapplelord2422]

@@ERSA-o5x i agree. well they reap what they sow lmao can't make major changes anymore.

[@RaafiD]

its crazy that prx the first team to win 13-0 this year, because normally on every map u guaranteed prx will throw min 6 rounds

[@toxicvoid0663]

True. Fns also said prx would be the last team to 13-0 someone as they always troll and throw some rounds 😂

[@Arth969]

Ban pushing through B without giving a thought about the utility he has, just like my Plat ranked randoms, what a king

[@hungo1450]

i think he did that cause they anti prx by keep flanking as soon as possible, prx dont play sentinel. And it worked in map 2 i guess. This map they're just got snowed ball and cant hit their shot so 13-0 is the result

[@muhammadnazrin3390]

Having someone push out b makes sense, to take out the lurk. It's typically dry 1v1 since the lurker wouldn't want to show presence. However, having a KJ do it is just weird regardless if he is the best at 1v1's. Let's say, you do it and win the 1v1, cool. If you lose? Now your KJ utility is dead. If you push out into a 4 man death ball B? At best you get traded(at worst you get nothing), since you dont have escape util and now your KJ util is dead. I don't get it, maybe it worked against teams they were scrimming?

[@hungo1450]

@@muhammadnazrin3390 i mean they did not intend to play passive and they wanna fight all the map so it does not matter who pushing i guess. It's the 3 site map so if they wanna play like that, someone had to push alone. Bind is a much smaller map, they pushed toghether and it worked.

[@muhammadnazrin3390]

@@hungo1450 Hold B main with turret taking first contact, open door on C exec? PRX has 2 dive duelists and an omen, you'd think a retake comp would be better, no? Or at least more stun agents/flash agents since mollies wont cut it for stall if they can just jump over it.

[@hungo1450]

@@muhammadnazrin3390 i think reatake against prx is not good either. But who know, their lotus is really good rn. They even won against drx and t1 on that map. Talon lost is what we all expected. They chose to push all the map, that's their gameplan. They just could not hit their shot that map so they got 13-0 result

[@Fireblaze3127]

I would love it if you did an analysis on the recent BiliBili vs. FPX game, FPX used a triple controller comp and always bought the outlaw on BiliBili's eco and destroyed them on attack on Lotus

[@stormyyamada5903]

he will

[@gpfhantom1890]

That's nothing new tbh. We have seen triple controller comps being used before and teams finding great value out of them on certain maps

[@YanaDasgupta]

@@gpfhantom1890 they used clove tho, thats notable

[@gpfhantom1890]

@@YanaDasgupta that's cool

[@hqy2295]

FPX is the strongest team in CN now. Nth surprising to see

[@Fuyuking]

Prx only get 1 FD if they get 13 FK then it's complete Stomp

[@rf7182]

Perfect game

[@qurahade]

and their FD is on a bonus round💀

[@dhq3466]

I've always yapped about how bad forsakens cypher was on lotus, nothing bad with it but it was too repetitive and had nothing special to show for it esp with the same setups on C every defense half. Finally he gets off it and literally 13-0's them

[@risesflame]

The only mistake prx made was playing a perfect game on attack side. Now they are going to be studied very hard on by every team going to shanghai on their attack lotus. Even for the drx game, they literally had a perfect attack side as well except they lost the pistol and follow up but won the remaining.

[@muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772]

And yet,most teams cannot stop their strats bcs they are just THAT good,I'd argue

[@dangit939]

yeah there was no point of playing that hard really, save strats for shanghai tbh

[@MysticMocha]

except viper's completely fucked on shanghai it might not be a major drop in pick rate, but a lot of that utility usage got cut off and now they have to really manage that one snakebite

[@habelu6267]

They are never going to play lotus again, insta ban from any Team with some sense. Its clearly their best map

[@rizkyfadillah6372]

That's true they will be studied, but with nerf on viper and cypher which is their biggest counter agent (along with kayo) it's going to be 50:50

[@beginnersid5990]

Talon winning champs let's go lmao

[@mahirunotsuki9]

There's also a round that Ban did a really bad jump peek that literally gave something a free OP kill.

[@twi0603]

crws dying to that aftershock is confusing ash

[@AdilKhan-uq2nm]

What's more confusing is him spamming the waterfall wall Like dude, that's not spammable what are you doing? 😂

[@pineapplelord2422]

@@AdilKhan-uq2nm maybe there's a small spot that's bangable for the box outside?

[@adambest8817]

​@@AdilKhan-uq2nmit is spammable wall.

[@siddarth6557]

@@AdilKhan-uq2nm its spammable but only through small portion

[@whereami.]

⁠@@adambest8817 With high penetration, right?

[@jangtheconqueror]

PRX was known for their bind play in the past but I think Lotus is now completely their map, they have so many cool plays on it. Probably all the other teams have analyzed the hell out of PRX bind games, so we've been seeing a lot more counter to it

[@lona7540]

True, seeing how they've been shut down on bind recently. It's so obvious the other teams have worked really well on bind since they lose on other maps but win on bind. Prx has set the bar in some maps ❤

[@PerumNagajaya]

I knew this is gonna be free content for TMV

[@JohnDoe-gt3jr]

Jinggg popped off in this match. With how the past matches came out, with some teams shutting him down I was getting kind of worried.

[@willhenry2567]

I feel like when you play against a comp like this, you don’t try to stop them. They are going to take that space. Just play 3 b and 1 on either site to try to force out util. Their weakness is defense, so make them stop your retake every round

[@pranavgaddi8330]

12:06 f0rsaken probably heard them....

[@Mh2sK1]

yo Talon is winning Champions this year, the script has been leaked

[@rayquaza5]

dukun

[@bongalberttio318]

4:46 I think he wanted to tuck besides the box and swing off turret contact, but pick stupid timing for it

[@HaydenDom]

i literally do this play all the time with this exact turret 😭

[@FromTheDead.]

if he wanted to do that why bother holding that angle? Weird decision by ban.

[@bongalberttio318]

@@FromTheDead. I think he wanted to do 50/50 with it. If he sees someone on that angle he would go back to site, but if not he 'll go to the box. In the end he caught in the middle of it

[@akhyarrijal7124]

This may seems crazy but the answer to this chaos is deadlock

[@SDfighter1]

Elaborate

[@uranophile1174]

​@@SDfighter1 she have those sound sensor things, wall and a net. She can slow prx down with her utils in defense side. more specifically in C She can block the choke points and add the sensors on where Jing is always going when entering the site and punished him. But I think deadlock is still not enough to stop them. if the site is totally block. They just can go to another site and w key that site. PRX right now is very hard to counter as they can go w key the fk even when they are defender and can play slowly but still chaotically.

[@tron3747]

​@@uranophile1174that B/C pinch against DRX was immaculate

[@uranophile1174]

@@tron3747 yes, especially when drx plant in C. All the side of DRX is block off by all the member of PRX. If you just watch the movement in the map when PRX is playing in defender side, they just like a SWAT team trapping terrorist. The most scariest thing here in talon vs PRX is forsaken. Like even though he is far away from hes teammates. He can still support them and watch and lurk at the same time. Forsaken is the GOAT. Forsaken breach in lotus is unstoppable.

[@uranophile1174]

I think the counter for them in this map is also a breach. that just what I think or just out aim and duel them. If you cannot do it, you will just gonna be like a small butterfly flying toward a storm. You will gonna get ragdolled all over the place

[@b0ss124]

If prx keep this up tmv is gonna be rolling in money

[@SecondThing-km4mq]

14:00 i think this is what Talon think "Lets stack viper and kj together, they wont have any chance to get into the site Haha" Meanwhile PRX "You think this thing can stop us ? Hell nah"

[@albinlundberg5583]

That entire interaction where crwd spams waterfall and dies to the aftershock is so perplexing. What WAS he doing?

[@NupplesRampage]

I think Fade got blinded by their own omen. Couldn't see the aftershock so started spamming the corner thinking they going push in.

[@muhammadnaufal5766]

Bro the aftershock to crws is hilarious

[@reisaki18]

The only anti strat to defeat PRX W gaming is TS super passive defense. Literally just let them in and play for retake.

[@zFrizzi]

I'm haven't been caught up with valorant lately, anyone knows if jinggg skipped military service or what? I'm just happy he's still playing.

[@sntcci]

he got a medical condition and he couldn't continue with the military service, so he's back

[@blackflowers5996]

Rich mom probably bribed the government

[@pixelatedbrain9982]

12-0 talon's player said "guys, we have the chance to make history" and laugh it off

[@AngelitaCebbalos]

They play breach now because they saw the potential having a breach, Ts destroyed them having breach on ts(love the adaptation from prx)

[@Bludwig123]

Wouldn’t deadlock be perfect counter against this PRX, no?

[@rizkyfadillah6372]

With how fast their duelist move I think it's still not good, her traps can't stun in time and her wall basically useless with prx aim

[@user-Lemon234]

@@rizkyfadillah6372while her stun wouldn’t catch main entry it would slow rest of team down like mollies do and combine with a kj Molly it is good stall and so is wall as they have to break it leaving the entry alone on site, deadlock would probs work well with kj a lot.

[@rizkyfadillah6372]

@@user-Lemon234 ohh yeah i forgot her molly, maybe this can works with another agent combo

[@user-Lemon234]

@@rizkyfadillah6372 yeah, deadlock is a reactive based sentinel but can set up i think she just would work better with a double sentinel comp on small maps like sunset, ascent, lotus maybe and split can be really good, some really weird trips can be done as they can be angled and we have seen her on icebox. It’s fun to think about ngl

[@danielx.884]

Pls analyze FPX triple smoke/clove comp

[@heinzmonster]

He said he would on stream

[@This_Is_RQuinnCH]

Clove is duelist in hand of life😎

[@sayantanpradhan9671]

All they had to do was stay on the left box near the entry of C site

[@piwpom]

tbh TALON picking defense in lotus is weird

[@AdilKhan-uq2nm]

The good old "We will come back on attack and beat them"

[@touyakami1406]

talon map pick is lotus, prx picked attack

[@piwpom]

@@touyakami1406 oh yeah my bad was watching without brain here

[@sturts1234]

ANALYSING PRX- they went there shoot hear.. rotated.shooted head again

[@Natseldu]

crws' reaction screams being flashed, we had to miss skye's flash or something.

[@rizkyfadillah6372]

What do you guys think on what agents that can works to stop this type of w?

[@Nyx3396]

i think lotus is the most attacker side map in rotation

[@stepankubesak]

Tomorrow DRX vs GENG insnae match you must watch on stream plss

[@sodener3724]

Imagine if talon just decide to be the EG of 2024 and win an international event lmao

[@arsenalx7]

TMV the goat, TMV down my throat

[@Xygard]

I said it and i will said it again talon love humiliation and secretly a masochist

[@Bob-em6kn]

U might be right. They purposely trolled to get 13 - 0 so that they can win champions

[@dangit939]

💀

[@moiradelaturret]

It’s the KJ peeking then dying that irked me so much 😂😂 turret who?

[@GH0STvalNOR]

ban about to get a ban from TLN 😭

[@nicholassebastian3890]

this is when you need replay system the most, but yeah, it is what it is riot Lmao

[@crackuheadu633]

another coach on the chopping block lol

[@aldiputrawidyansyah]

I'm sorry, but the Killjoy utility placement is so bad, idk what's he's trying to do by using KJ and placing his utilities like that, although my rank is low but i know that it was a wrong play.

[@rf7182]

Ban should change agent from Killjoy to Cypher

[@rizkyfadillah6372]

I think the same 😂

[@stormssrust]

TMV is a Vikings fan, W

[@emiliwein1052]

Talon looking like CGN out there

[@Underblackflag]

only TS and filipino player can beat prx

[@nilakshachandula7185]

but they can win some round if they pressure b main and get f0rsaken first

[@hyclea9530]

Ranked edater is crazy

[@kjellkrummrich3158]

you cant even spam the wall at C

[@marved_]

vid is almost as long as the entire map itself

[@coffeecup5185]

Bingo

[@luckyshot3950]

how much RR did they get for this win?

[@clayero2574]

nice good vid

[@dtalkzz3347]

man this feels almost like the match was fixed... or how can you be this bad........

[@tuhin1264]

Talon and Zeta really won against GE for nothing, where GE improved over the split Talon and Zeta just same mediocre performances.

[@spacebar2472]

No way you said that. Talon probably improved the most from last year lmao from bottom tier team that barely win to a team that went 4-1 in group only losing to geng and take one map off prx. If they rematch im sure talon still beat ge

[@h7142R]

thats why that match staged 9:47

[@amemiyazaki50]

just jingg impact

[@cartertaylor8257]

jing is my goat

[@kjellkrummrich3158]

nah

[@Frgres-zka32]

Sen could never

[@VolaJelly]

Prx W

[@kaktus2.092]

33 seconds 0 views, fell of

[@tinytempa3093]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[@thesimulator7]

I can tell you never graduated high school

[@tinytempa3093]

@@thesimulator7 me?

[@tacosstreams9402]

first comment

[@kjellkrummrich3158]

nah it was @coffeecup5185

[@tacosstreams9402]

@@kjellkrummrich3158 i commented 30 second before