How Particle Life emerges from simplicity

[@typicalhog]

I think the most innovative/important rule is the fact particle interactions can be asymetric.

[@gdavis9296]

What do you mean?

[@MrSirSquishy]

@@gdavis9296 symmetric means that two particles either attract each other or repel each other. Asymmetric means that one attracts while the other repels; they don't have the same effect on each other.

[@aleksitjvladica.]

Innovative? Been since ever!

[@gabe-n4s]

Interestingly, all particle interactions in the universe are symmetric. Its why we do not have infinite movers which can accelerate without an external force being inputted.

[@afoxwithahat7846]

Each particle has it's pair, whom it interacts with. Locally there may be an area with more particles than other, but on an universal scale everything is homogeneous and evenly distributed. Most Galaxies we see started formation when the universe was the size of Atoms, because Locally some parts were slightly denser than others for a fraction of time then went back to normal, so it is really interesting

[@jordanjohn01]

“orange may be attached to blue, but blue might be repelled by orange” story of my life :/

I need to know how much they are attracted

[@TheRealWildberry]

oof

[@olbapablo2615]

I'm the like 150 :)

[@Jevin-gn1vv]

Sorry bro🥲

[@caseyford3368]

On the smallest levels, everything is waves of energies and frequencies. The chaos that makes up existence, is what makes things bind and transform in seemingly endless ways.

[@da4mula885]

Well, it is not like truly chaos tho. It is what seems uninterpretable by us. For example, they use really simple mathematical equations, to simulate chaos/randomness. Its just because of nonlinearity, that at higher values it seems random, if you don't know the equation behind it

[@da4mula885]

You have like certain types of kinetic energies, like light, electricity, movement. And potential (unexpressed) energies like mass. Than they classified a few powers of the universe, which basically explain the equilibria of those energies. It is highly probable that these few powers can be unified as one mathematically. So I see this universal power as the 'chaotic'/nonlinear equation. And these energies as an expression of it.

[@JurekOK]

Not really. On the smallest levels, everything is actually unknown: we only have some models that happen to match the observations somewhat well. It is also well known that the model is incomplete (e.g. doesn't unify gravity and electricity; doesn't explain dark matter, e.t.c. ). Hence, the "waves of energies and frequencies" is at best, one approximation of what happens there.

[@da4mula885]

@@JurekOK its highly likely that they are unified beyond our present day comprehension tho. Like how electro and magnetic force were first seen as seperate, but are now unified

[@JurekOK]

@@da4mula885 that's true -- what I am trying to say, is that as far as we can tell, electromagnetism and gravity are NOT the same as "waves and frequencies". Instead, "waves and frequencies" are merely a way of talking about the electromagnetism and gravity, ( a MODEL) and that we are probably wrong in doing that -- in sense that gravity and EM do not seem to be unified by "waves and frequencies".

[@MysteriousSlip]

This is really interesting, because I have been studying molecular orbital theory for the last bit and it kind of makes me think about what is happening at the level of chemical reactions, and the degree of complexity that can arise from things we often take for granted. In many ways the simple 'attraction-repulsion' interactions here give me the same sense of appreciation for what can be accomplished at these simple levels.

[@big..pablo.]

undergrad organic chemistry

[@TalkAboutaTrapstar]

It's actually quite simple what is happening here. It only seems complex when you start trying to describe it with words.

[@MrMegaMetroid]

@@TalkAboutaTrapstar it quite literally turns complex by the very scientific definition of the word. Everything is on a spectum, with chaotic noise on one end, and rigid order on the other. Both noise and order are referred to as simple states, low entropy. Noise is too chaotic and therefore too unstable to produce complexity, while order is too rigid and therefore cant change, so it cannot produce complexity either. The more you diverge from either side, the more complex your systems can be, regardless of the underlying simplicity of the rule set. Being able to form structures or patterns is hereby referred to as complexity. We are currently researching the critical point on which complexity is almost stable, the self organising criticality point, where it is both noisy enough to change, but rigid enough to be stable, and with the right mix, you can have a stable system that evolves over time and reacts to outside influence, such as stimuli or environmental changes, such as found in many different fields across science and the universe. The self organisation of neurons, the stability of ecosystems, evolution, chemistry, the actual large scale behaviour of animals and humans, in all of these we can observe those complex, self organising patterns. How many different rules are involved in a given systems formation is irrelevant by this definition of the word complexity, as complexity only refers to the behaviour or structure formation, and not the number of steps required to get there. I hope this was an interesting read, and if you wish to know more: Self organising criticality or simply Self organisation are fantastic terms to research. Having a good professor explain in detail why both chaos and order are just different sides of the same coin, and that everything meaningful happens in between the two, and then pointing at different examples in the real world in which this behaviour can be observed can be an ethereal experience. Or terrifying, if you begin to play with the implications a bit and connect them to existing knowledge in other fields of science, such as our lack of conscious decision making in neuroscience. It can be quite a thing to ponder over regardless

[@iwanttwoscoops]

@@MrMegaMetroid that was a good write-up; thanks homie. Just be careful appropriating terms; saying highly ordered states have low entropy is poor form. I know what you mean, but it's important not to conglate entropy with bistable equilibrium

[@dougfoster445]

almost as if the universe was catered for the creation of life.

[@shufflecat3334]

7:06 I love how this video shows that even life based on very simple laws can, in fact, get the zoomies

[@mickblock]

😆😆😆

[@gpt-jcommentbot4759]

Rest In Peace that blob... 7:13

[@smaug131]

You may be interested in Buddhaman's "Chemistry Life", which is an extention on Particle Life that "reactions": where two particles touch, they change color according to predetermined rules. A red and a blue particle that touch may turn to a green and a yellow particle, for example. Also, very cool video!

[@simonmasters3295]

Great comment that addresses the concerns I have expressed in my own observations in this thread

[@Soken50]

Are there videos on it ? KZbin turned up nothing but videos on Buddhism and chemistry

[@tom-mohr]

:) Yes! buddhaman.itch.io/tims-insane-meta-universe

[@coreblaster6809]

@@tom-mohr Woah, please look at this more!!!

[@tangrumser]

Wow. This concept and the Programm are so amazing! I would love to see a deeper dive into the code and a simulation of more particles that’s wasn’t generated in real time!

[@orang1921]

something under-acknowledged is the fact that he said that the explanation will come in the second half of the video and the explanation section starts at exactly 5:09, right after the exact mid-way point of 10:16

[@AZALI00013]

amazing video !!! i personally love math for the complexity that arises from simple rules :0 I believe this concept across life is one of the most beautiful :)

[@benzene_sandwich]

Is your music inspired by maths and complex patterns? It kind of sounds like it. I feel like any of your songs (especially the collab with tn-shi) sound like an auditory description of a complex equation. Idk, that’s how it’s sounds like to me.

[@js267]

First videos for a channel are supposed to be really bad, but that's ok because nobody hears about you for the first few years...amazing first video, and KZbin must like you because I just found this at random. 1k views, keep going! (45th subscriber) I hope to see more soon.

Mine is really bad

[@luisrodrigues9377]

Jaw-droppingly amazing!!! 😲 The most beautiful and mesmerising demonstration of emergence: how complex and apparently sophisticated behaviour -- so similar to the natural world -- can coalesce from such simple attraction-repulsion rules. A mind-blowing epiphany! Brilliant job! 👌 Thank you!!! 🙏

[@ProNice]

Beautiful! Also, you have a very nice calming voice. It kept me soothed and calm throughout your video. Thank you.

[@zacharyj6465]

I've always wanted to code something like this, just to simulate what the first kind of DNA or cells could create. I've always had interest in these kinds of things and I'm glad I'm not the only one

[@Survivalist_Redo]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHanopesgLRoj5I a program that attempts to simulate the evolution from single celled organisms into multi-cellular organisms

[@LC-mq8iq]

Youre definitely not alone, i've been interested about this exact thing for a good while and this video is exactly what i needed lol

[@leilaschrof529]

If you are interested in that type of code I highly recommend researching bioinformatics, which is like a combination of computer science and microbiology. Truly fascinating stuff, it's where a lot of our knowledge about DNA comes from. After all, DNA is just code for living beings.

[@omegalamda3145]

Crick

[@htspencer9084]

​@@leilaschrof529I any good youtubers who talk ont his topic that you would reccomend?

[@TheLevelord]

It's not so hard to see how molecular machines evolved in the primordial soup in a similar manner. So cool! Thanks so much for this, especially the open source access.

[@TheCaphits]

Wow this is incredible. KZbin is a real mfer for waiting over an entire year before recommending it... Thanks for making this!

[@icebluscorpion]

This young channel is underrated! Keep it up! I'm watching forward to your next video I'm eager to see what comes next 👀😁PS: self-awareness in AGI will emerge from such mechanism. If you put many AIs together that are in itself specialized in single tasks but are intimate connected with each other you will get complex behavior and finally consciousness in AGIs

[@ironic_bond]

This is so simple and yet elegant, good job

[@aaront3049]

I appreciate that you didn’t explain the method right away, so I could develop ideas about what is actually happening while watching your animations. Fascinating video and topic, thank you!

[@そけつ]

By observing particle life and thinking that it can be generalized to include the real world, I feel a sense of omnipotence. thank you for creating the video from japan🇯🇵

[@SirBing96]

this was so mesmerizing and beautiful in many ways. I could watch something like this all day. Thank you for this video!

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

I love it! I think it is mind blowing how the emergence of complex properties can arise from very simple starting points. I have a gut feeling (intuition?) that understanding this phenomenon will be beneficial to humans in many areas of social life, not just biological systems. What an interesting time to be wearing a meat suit! 🍖

[@yash1152]

> _"What an interesting time to be wearing a meat suit! 🍖"_ wow, that's an interesting, but perfectly valid way of putting that.

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

@@yash1152 Thanks 😊 👍

[@sienielain9222]

What do you mean by "wearing a meat suit"?

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

@Sieni Eläin Hi, Sieni, "wearing a meat suit" is a post-modernist, semi popular way of describing being alive! It is referring to the somewhat popular Judeo/Christian belief that we are eternal souls living in an impermanent physical body. Thus, in a tongue-in-cheek and humorous way we can say we wear "meat suits"(the body) as we wear clothes. Actually, the ancient Vedic Indian tradition also teaches the same thing. Whether or not that is factually true is beside the point. It's just a different way to speak of being alive. That was how I used the term. Here is the Urbane Dictionary version.... The human body, especially one's flesh, suggesting the burdens of corporeality for an otherwise ethereal being. "Why did I have to be reincarnated into this meat suit?" I hope I have answered your question, however you are welcome to ask me anything. I am better than Chat GPT, a small prompt and I will generate masses of human content! Lol.

[@mihailmilev9909]

@@That_Freedom_Guy I- I........ lol

[@nembobuldrini]

Thanks for this implementation and for the video! I'm fascinated by the concept of complex systems and emergence for a long time, but it always fascinates me to see new content exploring these topics. 4:28 Evolution is a big part of real life though, which is absent here: so imagine (and probably you already thought about it) if the particle rules were allowed to evolve! Apart from the coding itself, maybe the most difficult part would be to come up with meaningful selection pressure ideas... Keep up the amazing work!

[@matthewe3813]

Real-life particle rules don't evolve. These bigger structures shown in the video (like the "worm") can work together to make something like a cell, but it would be massive since this video is showing individual subatomic particles. To show real evolution, you would need enough computing power to simulate things on the order of cells, which are crazy complex (one human cell has billions of DNA codons for example, and there are tons of molecules like proteins and fats and carbohydrates all interacting). It would also, like real life, take millions of years of simulated compute time for actual life to emerge which would not be doable unless the computer is fast enough to simulate millions of years in a shorter time with GPUs or something.

[@NightmareCourtPictures]

You should look into Wolfram's Physics Model. I've studied Complex Systems and Emergence for a very long time. And in that research, everything lead, like a trail of bread crumbs, to the Wolfram Model being the true theory of reality. Perhaps to get your mind going : In the Wolfram Model of Physics, the universe is thought of as a kind of Turing Machine-like computation, running all possible rules...and that these rules are computationally equivalent (capable of doing computation of equivalent sophistication : Turing universal computations ) I would highly suggest reading his Book New Kind of Science, and looking up the NKS series here on KZbin where he reads the book along with you. In that book, He basically ran solid experiments on cellular automata, and derived principles based on the behavior he observed that are ground breaking : "That if the universe is computational, then all systems that exist are equivalent." And he proves this by running simple rules, and proving that they can compute Turing universal computation; the maximal ceiling for complexity. If you think about the implication of that for a moment, you realize that every question you have about complex systems...emergence...relativity are unified by the existence of such a principle, and he predicted back then that he could make a theory of physics based on those experiments...and 20 years later he did just that. Cheers,

[@nembobuldrini]

@@matthewe3813 Yes, I completely understand that simulating real-life evolution would require immense computing power and time. My intention wasn't to get a faithful representation of life evolution, but rather to experiment and see what rule evolution could bring. Consider that evolutionary algorithms are just a stripped-down version of actual evolution, yet they are able to perform incredible feats in much shorter times. I think it would be interesting to see what new structures or patterns emerge from evolving the particle rules, and what insights we can gain from that.

[@nembobuldrini]

@@NightmareCourtPictures I totally agree with you on the significance of Wolfram's Physics Model! I have been following and appreciating the development of his theory since the beginning as well. I think emergence plays a crucial role in everything in the universe, and it's truly underappreciated. I believe it should be taught in elementary school to give future generations a better understanding of how the world works. The idea that everything in the universe can be reduced to simple computational rules is truly groundbreaking and has far-reaching implications. Thanks for sharing this with me, it's always exciting to discuss these topics with someone who shares the same interest.

[@JibreelProductions]

@@nembobuldrini To simulate real life evolution you should be God. But we will never reach that. We only make simpler versions, copying from what we are allowed to know. To simulate real life "evolution" you should simulate real life. And you don't know what dark matter is, among many other things. How did those evolve? We keep setting the systems up, perhaps it's not because of our lack of resources, but because this system also was set up. This video doesn't show evolution as materialists claim it happened, it shows a relatively wise "creator" setting rules that allow complexity to emerge. Evolution as to say adaptation is undeniable, because we see how species change, and because the scripture literally says that we evolve in the wombs, creation after creation. But as the scripture says, it still is creation, every evolutionary stage is a new creation. 71:13-14 What is the matter with you that you are not in awe of the Majesty of Allah(God), when He truly created you in stages ? - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran When I was an agnostic, I always found simulations amazing and very interesting, I think people just don't realize that not all religion is fake, and that discipline is indeed good for you, even if some people hate it since they believe it limits their "freedom", be it of thinking or in general. But, i think you can think freely still, you just need to have evidence, as the Quran says, and not wonder in assumptions. If you have evidence for your beliefs, then you are cool. But few people consider actual evidence when they contradict their beliefs (be it atheism or whatever) and they are tempted to follow their desires based on assumptions. I hope you like the comment, don't want to pressure anyone but since you mentioned the criteria of what would be needed to simulate evolution i kinda sneak this in haha, peace.

[@ACLNM]

I wouldn't mind watching a few more videos of just these relaxing images. Your calm comment on the video works for me, not sure if it would for everybody, and the calm music was also good. I'm subscribing and waiting for the next video.

[@tom-mohr]

Thank you;)!

[@andrewglick6279]

This is so cool! Your implementation here looks gorgeous. Thanks for sharing!

[@simonmasters3295]

So the challenge I have is finding a real world analogy for the simultaneous attraction and repulsion of colours. In the "real world" of biomolecules or cells there is either *mutual" electrostatic attraction or repulsion, not both so far as I know. Maybe I am wrong (strong and weak nuclear forces come to mind) but this feels like a barrier to my wholesale acceptance of the simulation. Great work though.

[@tom-mohr]

Thanks :) Yes -- Particle Life is generally not adhering to Newton's third law, except if the matrix is symmetrical. But under symmetrical matrices, not much life-like behavior is emerging in Particle Life. Nature, on the other side, somehow manages to get this done even with symmetrical forces! So yes, I totally agree here.

[@gabor6259]

Educational _and_ ASMR at the same time? I need Mohr.

[@gumikebbap]

came up with same school joke but checked first XD

[@barutguray2]

one of the most beautiful and comprehensive works i have ever seen. Thanks

[@aerishan]

Amazing and inspiring work. I am working in the same direction in 3D with Unity.

[@AegisPupus]

Your app is amazing. Took me a few moments to figure out how the options works. Well done.

[@derderrr7220]

truely remarkable piece of code for demonstrative purposes, can't wait to see what can be gleamed from such things with more factors.

[@arsonzartz]

"hehe lil particles" *zooms out* "WAIT A DANG MINUTE THATS A WHOLE DANG HUMAN CELL"

[@DemeterTelphousia-Erinyes]

Particle Life sounds like an album from an early 80s synth band. Great video!

[@anywallsocket]

As an aside, the complexity does not simply emerge from a push and pull of many simple systems. What is essential for the emergence of complexity is that parts of the system can interact with other parts at DIFFERENT TIMES along their development. That is to say, if each piece of the system was developing in the same way simultaneously, you would not see the emergence of such complexity -- you'd be limited to reaction diffusion system. As an anology, you need old folks interacting with young folks, otherwise nothing new will happen. This can be seen in the Universe, for example how all elements evolved from hydrogen. There is no way the complexity of our patch of the universe would have developed if hydrogens only interacted with other hydrogens, and heliums with heliums etc. What matters is that heavier atoms like those formed in stars can be shot out and mixed BACK with hydrogens, so it is with all the elements, they are able to interact with one another at different points in their own life cycles, thus enabling the generation of novelty though a recursive kind of non-linear self-interaction.

[@emiledin2183]

But what drives those particles? essentially the answer must be God. Like how detached from reality have we become? Order does not derive from chaos, neither does complexity come from simplicity. Our whole existence is based upon this principle, the expansion of the universe is an added bonus of this.

[@anywallsocket]

@@emiledin2183 Order can come from chaos -- this is the field of strange attractors. E.g., if I dangle a magnet on a string above 3 equidistant magnets, such that the dangling magnet will move around chaotically until it converges unto one of the lower magnets, and then color the starting point the same color as the final magnet it converged on, I will beget a fractal pattern with high symmetry despite each individual trajectory being characteristically chaotic. Also, complexity can come from simplicity, see for example Wolfram's rule 30, or Conway's GoL. Your pursuit of 'derivation' lacks the essential element of emergence, and your question of what 'drives' the particles is stereotypically reductionistic and in the opposite direction of the fact that more is different, especially when you have these nonlinear effects as I mentioned. You can stick god into your confusion and uncertainty all you want, that is a personal preference, but I personally prefer to learn all I can about logical and experimental models for reality before invoking something transcendental.

[@Holasiquetal]

I used particle life, and I have to admit that the complexity I obtained was mind-blowing.

[@PharoahJardin]

I enjoyed watching this slow-paced video by chance before going to bed. Will check out the website in the morning!

[@maigowang]

3:29 I love how the rhythm of the music matches the movement of the "hamburger"!

[@edskodevries]

This was incredible! Lovely calm video yet endlessly fascinating. Just beautiful!

[@Find-the-Devil]

Incredible video. Thank you for the time and the effort you put on this.

[@bigearsinc.7201]

This is really awsome! The way it lets you almost infinatly scale anything is great. One thing though, the rmax value seems to almost determine the size of a structure, as the maximum size the particles can attract and repel. What I think needs to happen to allow for infinatly large 'creatures' is the repulsion and attraction being able to stack from how many particles are near one another. So 10 yellow particles attracts blue particles stronger than 1 yellow particle. (Though this could already be implemented). Just an idea.

[@shufflecat3334]

I haven't looked at the code, but my guess is that the distance limit was put in place so that larger particle counts could be simulated. If the forces acted over too large of a distance then the program would have to calculate the attraction and repulsion of hundreds of thousands of particles against each other. This could probably be resolved with some of the techniques used by n-body gravity simulation programs which basically lump distant particles into regions. I'm sure that could be implemented here, but it would probably pose a great deal of challenges just because there are so many interaction combinations which might negatively affect the performance. I'm not saying it's impossible, just challenging. If I wasn't already working on something I might take a crack at it myself, but I will leave that to someone more motivated than myself. It might also be interesting to see if smoothing the attraction curve would create any interesting behaviors, but again, doing so could affect performance.

[@dmtdreamz7706]

You can literally hallucinate objects and beings into existence because what's happening is you're tapping into that pure abstract creative potential of mind. That's exactly what you want. Of course it can be kind of freaky but a psychedelic is that times a thousand.

[@droher1344]

all these particle life simulators are insane. what they manage is super cool. I feel like if we had more computer power and aughmented the ammounts of particles to somewhere in the realm of reality (orders of >10*23 particles) we could get to see even more awesome emergent features. I'm really curious to see a simulation like that

[@somethingtojenga]

It's so beautiful that this didn't even have to be designed, it's just throwing random types of particles with random attraction/repulsion properties at each other, and 'designs' seem to come out of it.

[@CallmeSam00]

Thank you for sharing the app, had an amazing evening playing with it

[@Peppermint_Penguin]

I absolutely love this, its such a good tool for illustrating this concept and beautiful to boot.

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

What concept is being illustrated here exactly?

[@o1-preview]

I've done my own, and for me, its such a mind blower. To think simulation would be able to use simple math a little bit of psychics and you get emergent agents that act almost in a biological manner! Man, I gotta do a 3d version of this!

[@danibot3000]

👀

[@segnos]

amazing I can already see how this can be a step to help us understand how life and DNA emerged if simulated on a bigger scale truly outstanding

[@thats_so_laven]

Beautiful and insanely impressive video. Hats off to you!

[@batchprogrammer108]

This is one of the most insane things i’ve ever seen, bro just simulated a universe

[@khiner]

This is incredible work! Watching these particles interacting really does help build intuition about how our complex universe, full of all the gorgeous complexities of life, arises from particle physics doing its thing. It's inspiring to have a working example of lifelike complexity emerging from a self-interacting set of rules whose source code I have access to - and can run on my machine! Can't wait to see where you take your work next.

[@PeterKoperdan]

It's unlikely at this point that the universe is made of particles.

[@GillfigGarstang]

@@PeterKoperdan What makes you day that?

[@PeterKoperdan]

@@GillfigGarstang Well, particle physics isn't really going anywhere and we a have pile of accumulating hypotheses and theories pointing in very different directions. One question that can be asked is this: What is at the base of reality when you "drill" as deep as possible? Some physicists say that it is basically information and not matter/energy. It's not looking good for particle physics and materialism. Cutting edge physics is going other places, no matter what they discover there eventually...

[@RecklessGER]

Amazing work! It's great to finally see in a video what you always talked about 😁

[@chrisbotos]

Thank you so much for this! Extraordinary! Makes you wonder what systems that emerge you would classify as life and which ones you would not

[@OmegaFalcon]

This stuff is the coolest thing in the world to me

[@tsve_tan]

A beautiful and relaxing composition of video, music and voice. I would like to know the name of the instrumental.

[@DudeNoEdge]

Incredible stuff, if all videos have this quality of content this channel will grow fast! Happy to be one of its first subscribers :)

[@michaelvindberg4372]

The stunningly beautiful spectacle of complexity. It is so enthralling to see the underlying rules and patterns of the physical world binding everything together in this glorious cascade of propagating energy🦠🌱🏞️🦕 Thank you so much for this video, for this gift of your attention and creativity. It was inspiring in the most profound sense..

[@thespudguy]

Here’s an idea: This simplicity is truly incredible, but the color are discrete- there are a set number of colors. But what if there were in-between colors? Perhaps, a force applied on the color space of the particle which will then change its color and then interpolate between the two colors it is closest to? This may result in chaos, but I can imagine even more complex emergent behaviors arising from a non-discrete color change rule

[@Marc-tm4xh]

This is a concept that I've slowly been mulling over in my head for several years now, ever since I came across Conway's game of life. I still have to dig into the rules for particle life, so I'm not sure how it works. But some stuff I've thought about: What if not just the colours can change, but they each have some value of rgb, and each can change as it "interacts" with the environment. Maybe even different "species" that are effected differently or behave differently based on each colour. Or my favourite, that I think would be really interesting: Evolution.

[@flameofthephoenix8395]

Here's an interesting idea, what if you defined the rules for each color based on a transcendental number, so each one can look at a different three digits of the number to tell it their attraction to another color.

[@glitch314]

that snake like movement was a holy sh!t moment! amazing work, thank you

[@DanksterPaws]

I saw a mobile game very similar to this a few years ago. I loved it to bits and was my go-to time passer despite all the weird looks I get staring at what seemed like just dots moving

[@DanksterPaws]

There was an interesting result I got quite a few times, where there was one particle that repulsed itself and one that was attracted to it. They ended up spreading themselves across the screen in blobs. Looking alot like the nucleus of atoms.

[@smaug131]

@@DanksterPaws Sounds like something I'd like to have on my phone as well, what was it called?

[@dtp0119]

What's it called

[@DanksterPaws]

@@smaug131 To both of you, it was called clusters. I believe it was Clusters 2 infact. I still have the game’s icon on my ipad, however it’s been offloaded and I can’t reinstall the game anymore, It’s no longer on IOS stores. But I remember playing it as recently as November 2022. So it was only recently removed

[@danielbaldoni6725]

All complex particle interactions fundamentally allow for one important thing to happen: the creation of hydrogen. Hydrogen scales absolutely perfectly via star formation to create the other heavier elements. This would be like a particle impression in Particle Life where there is a hydrogen atom (center positive with outer electron shell) that gravitationally attracts 10^57 other hydrogens (creating a star) that causes the hydrogen in the center to fuse to helium (double center positive with double outer electron shell), which then fuses to lithium, and this continues on until a supernova creating the heaviest elements. Hydrogen in enough quantities in space naturally creates humans in 14 billion years after complex elements have time to lump together, form life via Miller-Urey, and evolve. Hydrogen best demonstrates the elegance and precision of the universe, and the complete force and radii parameter tweaking of the subatomic particles making up hydrogen are only fully understood by God, as he is the sole creator of every hydrogen atom ever made.

[@GillfigGarstang]

You are making the assumption that other ‘bubbles’ of existence with starting parameters different from our laws of physics can’t possibly exist outside the horizon of our observable universe. Earth seems ‘tuned’ for life from our perspective until you take into account the uncountably vast numbers of planets out there which are completely unsuited to developing any form of life. For all we know our type of universe isn’t even particularly hospitable for life when compared to other universes; it might just be that beings like us only develop to have this conversation in universes with laws that resemble ours.

[@danielbaldoni6725]

Great point, but from an engineering perspective, the vast universe not habitable to life could just be God’s workshop with crap all over the place. Creating a biological supercomputer brain with 100 trillion connections from scratch is an enormous undertaking that takes ~15B years, of course it’ll make a mess and require a lot of space, parts, and time. Is it crazy to think that our phones and computers have teams of super talented engineers, but we as humans, who designed and created that technology, somehow don’t have our own engineer? Perhaps God is in a bubble of existence with bigger more dense atoms, that don’t melt during the early stages of the Big Bang when everything is super hot plasma so he can interact with our matter in some way without melting. Maybe he still interacts with our matter in some way. Maybe he made us because our specific matter and neurons can compute in ways that his can’t and that’s why he loves us. Maybe part of the universe is actually habitable given the right technology and he wants us to create technology here to get there, and make different more advanced technology there with the different resources.

[@erikac5907]

super interesting video! happy to be here under 1000, keep making great stuff :)

[@JamminBoy90]

Great synchronisation of the music and particles

[@kotobotov]

very intresting, good exemple to how complex system can be made from few simple rules

[@Brukrex]

Well if you have billions of atoms it's no longer simple.

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

@@Brukrex rules are simple, state is not.

[@simonmasters3295]

By assigning a property of repulsion or attraction to the colour of a particle, and maintaing the colour as invariant, we appear to depart from molecular chemistry. In a reaction between elements the product of an encounter changes the property of both reactants, in some cases leading to the formation of asymmetric molecules (notably water, but also fatty Acids and peptides) some of which also exhibit chirality. It feels to me like a 3D (or 2.5D?) simulation and some kind of "orientation" of your particles (with mutually attractive or repulsive forces operating differently in different directions) is required to properly approach simulating the reality of simple biochemistry. For simulation of protists or cell organelles, we can make the mental leap to simultaneous attraction and repulsion, but ideally this too should be demonstrated to "emerge" from unintentional motility - we cannot presume the attraction-repulsion to exist merely by entering values in a matrix. ?

[@tom-mohr]

Interesting points!

[@htspencer9084]

I don't think this simulation is trying to emulate chemistry but rather particle interactions. Less atoms/molecules, more quarks. Atoms are already, far, far too complex to be analogous to these point particles.

[@joshuacombs1086]

I started playing with my own simulation and quickly realized that the behavior has a lot to do with the error from approximating sharp forces at large time scales. It creates a jittery effect that explains a lot of patters. When I made my own, I used matrix calculations (intending to make the sim more efficient) for all the particle forces and caused many of the patterns to disappear.

[@pirateskeleton7828]

This is fascinating. I define life as information capable of manifesting the ability to self-perpetuate within a medium. Organisms as we know it are the manifestation of their genetic information, interacting with the world in order to preserve that genetic information, but that's in the medium of the physical world with nucleic acid based information. Who's to say other forms of life can't exist as some for of information, as long as that information has the ability to preserve itself. You can also see this with ideas, philosophy, religion, and memes, where the information uses the human mind to perpetuate itself.

[@RobTheQuant]

wow! world class video, ASMR vibes, please keep them coming!

[@paleore3539]

This is truly amazing. I really hope one day you'll develop a version for Mac.

[@demikweer]

And for Linux as well

[@tomguder]

Tom, das ist so genial! Ich war auf der Suche nach einem Visualizer für meine Musik und bin auf deinen Partikelsimulator gestoßen - Linuxuser here. edit: ich bin schon am experimentieren. Meine Entdeckung des Monats. Ich mach dazu ein Musikvideo -

[@tom-mohr]

Mega cool! Verlinke mir das Video dann gerne hier ;)

[@tomguder]

@@tom-mohr Danke! This one perhaps: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXibqpaOrq-dia8

[@jonerlucas3933]

beautiful. all the patterns kinda remind me of real life in a way or another. for example i saw lots of eye-like structures and also some of it looked like bacteria life or the night sky when it is dark

[@MrHichammohsen1]

This so much appreciated you cannot even imagine! Will definitely subscribe.

[@leseanpayne2805]

Watching this really made me come to why I'm so afraid of things without eyes and things like bugs and swarms. As well as things without brains. It's a really simple existential thought. What if our belief that we think and then act based on those thoughts is false? What if we first act, and then think? What if we're less like a spirit piloting a robot, and more like a rock tumbling down a hill, our consciousness just being an ant that hitched a ride. I know it's a sort of silly and meaningless thought, but it really is important to me in some way I don't quite understand yet, but I know this game makes me feel that fear. The fear that the delineation between living things and not living things is just arbitrary categorization? I dunno. Game gave me a lot to think about and ideas to develop.

[@chrisnewman9693]

That's not a silly thought at all. There are a range of philosophers and experimental psychologists who ask and try to answer similar questions.

[@danibot3000]

Totally important thought and totally normal for someone questioning life - my tip, build faith in mechanical processes, it might give you an ankerpoint to hold in case you are not yet able to let go and simply have trust in life itself. In the end it's these processes that (literally) hold us together and like you said, we are just the observers and "pilots". I should walk through nature, now thta you said it i also feel weakened from being too long in isolation and a confirmation that everything still is in order sure will help, if not the smells and impression that trigger certain things in the body that makes it produce relaxing stuff, something about evolution... anyways, heads up!

[@sumedha3004]

This looks amazing. I'm just starting to learn programming and got introduced to matrix the other day. Never would've imagined they could be used like this

[@user-Gooberlino]

3:45 is definitely my favorite, it seriously made a race track with a car

[@salxrn]

9:48 that poor particle cluster just got obliterated

[@clearwavepro100]

Congratulations and beautiful work!

[@bagochips1208]

How is this channel only 368 subs? It's been a long while since I have been moved by a youtube video. Good job my man and hope you grow to become a big channel

[@cescu2]

I just felt my brain taking a 180 degree turn from its plan for me in life! This changes everything!

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

Stay of the dope bro.

[@makSyak]

Yoo this is insane. and THANK YOU for sharing the app :)

[@petethechin]

Absolutely fascinating to watch, I downloaded ur program, mesmerizing. well done.

[@noms1711]

This video deserves more views.

[@breezy5797]

I dont know much about physics, I like to learn about it but a lot of it is over my head. I did discover jeffrey ventrella's particle life a while ago, though. SInce then, I love seeing everyone's versions! It's so cool how complex structures just show up from a random mess.

[@dddmmi]

Let us not forget John Conway, the father of artificial particle life and cellular autamata, who passed away in 2020 of COVID-19 👾👾👾 Beautiful simulation btw :)

[@jclark2752]

I think this video works FAR Better the Other way around! Explain First! - Gets my vote Every Time!

[@paxtoncargill4661]

I wonder if you could make the particle behavior evolve over time. I think that would lead to some really interesting stuff.

[@prietjepruck]

Have a look at the channel : programming chaos, An Evolutionary Version of Particle Life

[@Lebensgott]

It just looks so amazing... could be an awesome live desktop background with fancy particles moving around and creating things that almost behave like organic creatures...

[@siliconbird]

So it's pretty safe to say that so called consciousness and will are nothing but words we give to mass particle movements (too many, not too complex, of them to be understood by us).

[@cibriis1710]

Consciousness is not movement but experience of movement

[@gfepsh]

this is fascinating, and could lead to something incredibly innovative, good job.

[@Roxbian]

Bro I think you figured out the universe with this piece of software... fr Behold: Human Life - from single cell all the way to the emergence of consciousness. I am forever in your debt Prometheus Tom. This is neat!

[@smilefaxxe2557]

Awesome video, PLEASE do more! ❤🔥

[@Bart_LP]

What´s the name of the background music?

[@Eltro101]

wow! im so glad you brought attention to ventrella's work. I remember deobfuscating his JS a really long time ago and trying to understand it

[@typicalhog]

This is SOOOOOOOOOOO cool! Good work!

[@Yezpahr]

I'm still waiting for these things to "just" repeat nature. -Random jittering like brownian motion (instead of fullblown magical movement propulsion). -Have particles connect in finite ways through sub-particle rules (like electrons define molecular structure but they're tied to atoms). -Have a filament/filler/background particle that merely serves the purpose of a force carrier. (basically a particle that decides local pressure/heat/gravity of a system to allow the first two rules to be modified, for example, so that particle A connects at different "temperatures" to particle B than the separation temperature). These "simple" rules would already have the foundation for entropy, fusion, (maybe fission?) but at least it condenses most other qualities of the real universe into the existing features of these recent life-engines.

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

Precise simulation of nature is not possible with current state of human technology. I'm afraid simplified versions will just either "don't work" or will be too simple and far from reality.

[@arasharfa]

Thias video encompasses everything I knew about the universe with such friendly grace and poetry, life is inevitable. look at it. self assembly.

[@___d3p1]

Thank you very much for this wonderful explanation!!!!

[@PattyCali]

This is the coolest vid ive seen in a while, im bout to do this myselff!!

[@ambergris5705]

This is fascinating. I'll be thinking about this for a while

[@gentrelane]

Very good work. You have explained something very complex in a very simple way

[@idegteke]

Some 25 years ago, I wanted to make particle life, even started to write down the basics in 100+ hours but - apparently - I did not have all the components the project would have required. It remained a thought experience. By now, after thinking about this quite a bit, I firmly believe that something like a “particle programming” must be the next big step both towards the new level of AI and the final proof that the “simplicity” of the atoms/particles is only apparent. Those little guys are WAY more than meets the limited human perception.

[@JakeLaMtn]

The basics do not need 100+ hours to be written down. That's why this video is only a few minutes long.

[@idegteke]

​@@JakeLaMtn The preparation time for digging a hole entirely depends on whether you want to erect a flagpole or visit the inner core, I believe;)

[@gustavocezero]

That's how life works. Great job, Tom ✨