How Pierre Dorion DESTROYED the Future of the Ottawa Senator's Young Promising Core

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@jaylenbarnes2.079 Ай бұрын

Here from one of your comments on The Blueline Hockey channel; I decided to check out the channel and I liking the content

@angermanagementstudios 2 ай бұрын

The Dadonov trade to Vegas ended up being pretty significant… Nice one PD.

@carbb5760 2 ай бұрын

I agree the duchene trade was the worst but the karlsson trade was an absolute must. Even if the return seemed underwhelming at the time they could not extend him under any circumstances. The debrincat and chychrun trades were both also incredibly stupid. Sometimes though you need a bit of luck in a rebuild getting the right spot to draft the player required and the sens definitely didn’t get that. Maybe stuzle becomes that truly elite C winning franchises have but that remains to be seen. Him and Sanderson and Tkachuk have to be elite or the rebuild we will started over

@OttawaRocks 2 ай бұрын

I would give PD a C+'or B- grade for his work. I did take into consideration that he had an owner who was interested in stripping down his workable budget and that his group of support staff was smaller in size (as compared to what other NHL teams functioned with), leading him to juggle job roles (at least on a partial basis) that he shouldn't have had to worry about.

@DanoFSmith-yc9tg 2 ай бұрын

The Sens might not even be in Ottawa today if it wasn't for Dorion keeping the ship afloat for as long as he did. The guy was patching a fresh new leak, putting out a new fire, and filling a new crator seemingly every week. I honestly don't know how he didn't have a stroke while in that organization

@FirewagonHockey 2 ай бұрын

Whether Melnyk or not, Pierre showed how incompetent he was failing to address glaring issues of the franchise at the earliest opportunity and made stupid low-success gambles that turned out to be brutal contracts. Like I said, if a team misses the playoffs for more than 5 seasons, there was at least one severe error on the side of the GM. Pierre had much more than one.

@korbynshaggy666 2 ай бұрын

More videos like this please 🙏 keep up the good work!

@plaidloonie2427 2 ай бұрын

Melnyk wanted a yes man.

@Daguynumber1 2 ай бұрын

Beware a winning streak in March/April after being eliminated from the playoffs.

@FirewagonHockey 2 ай бұрын

Ah yes cant forget that part of the season!

@wainber1 2 ай бұрын

Of Canadian NHL team GMs, I think of, among relatively incompetent ones, going from west to east: - Jim Benning of the Canucks (playoff series wins only during the 2019-20 season) - Brad Treliving of the Flames (playoff success in at best non-consecutive seasons) - Steve Tambellini and Craig MacTavish of the Oilers (decade-of-darkness) - Kevin Cheveldayoff of the Jets (limited playoff success, with 1 post-2018 playoff series win [2021 sweep of the Oilers]) - John Ferguson Jr and Kyle Dubas of the Leafs (although with the latter having lost his GM job after multiple failures by the Leafs to qualify for playoff action) - Pierre Dorion of the Sens (playoff success only during his FIRST season [the 2016-17 one that would end in a conference final appearance], with ever since then no playoff appearance) Will Steve Staios, unlike Jim Benning, use his knowledge, from having been a defenceman, to turn the Sens into a more defensively-responsible roster? Yes Benning never won a Stanley Cup as the only NHL teams for which he'd ever played hadn't, in a given season when he'd played for either, even made it to the Cup final (SCF). Staios is a Cup finalist, having gotten to play in one in 2006 with the Oilers, so maybe that'll give him that edge because, well, he kinda knows what it's like to make it that far in the postseason. That's not to say the Sens will necessarily make it to a 2025 SCF; the Canucks certainly didn't do so in any of those 1st 3 seasons during which Patrik Allvin, an ex-Penguins' exec, had been the Western Canadian team's GM. The Canucks still took a HUGE step forward last season but even 2 seasons ago, starting with a trade of Bo Horvat, then on an expiring contract, to the Isles for a couple of role players and a conditional 2023 NHL Draft pick certainly didn't hurt. Allvin wasn't, before the 2023 NHL Trade Deadline, done dealing, acquiring d-man Filip Hronek from the Wings in an exchange of draft picks (the Wings having acquired 2 from the Canucks but giving 1 in return). The Canucks would last postseason win their 1st post-2020 playoff series and make things interesting against the Oilers in a conference semifinal, losing game 7 in regulation 3-2 after having gone down 3-0 and put limited shots-on-goal on Stu Skinner. Things may be different this coming season for the Canucks but only time will tell whether they'll go further in the postseason than last season they did. Sens' fans can only hope Linus Ullmark turns into a local version of Thatcher Demko but that's also TBD.

@daniellussier211 2 ай бұрын

Great video.

@panzerW0LF 2 ай бұрын

You got anything cooking ahead of the upcoming season, would love to hear your take on it!

@FirewagonHockey 2 ай бұрын

In long form sorta like this video if anything. Staios hasn't fared much better so far sadly so my mental capacity probs has better things to contain.

@williamford9564 2 ай бұрын

10:33: Love the selection of music here!

@timothykatch1855 2 ай бұрын

Well done!

@bogeyt15games55 2 ай бұрын

As a bruins fan who has hated the sens since the early 2000’s…. This actually made me feel really bad for the fans

@FirewagonHockey 2 ай бұрын

@@bogeyt15games55 U guys have such a great culture over there. Ppl keep predicting u guys to drop out but ur franchise always treats it like it's their last opportunity. I dont even go to our games anymore bc I wanna keep my briancells intact.

@bogeyt15games55 2 ай бұрын

@@FirewagonHockey ya even now people say “it’s gonna collapse once Marchand leaves….” But honestly…. The prospect pool is good…. 2017 was such an anomaly and I don’t think that happens again soon…

@greathoonta3461 2 ай бұрын

DeBrincat didn’t purely play badly because he didn’t care, he was put in every position that would ensure he wouldn’t succeed. -He was put on the point on the power play as a playmaker despite his success in the low circle -He was put on a line where he was expected to be a playmaker which he has NEVER been (he’s played with Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane as his fellow stars his whole career, you really think he’s a playmaker?) -Ottawa’s offensive strategy also doesn’t fit DeBrincats speedy quick passing offence game Ottawa traded for DeBrincat but clearly actually wanted William Nylander. Why they never tried to swap the two in a trade I have no idea why.

@FirewagonHockey 2 ай бұрын

It doesn't add up how he had a better team around him but was down 12 points from the season b4. If we look at the metrics, he actually had more TOI than Tkachuk. Maybe DJ Smith played a factor in that and I'm not discouting that entirely, but you can just see his body language on the ice (hence his -31 which is terrible for a team that wasn't in the runnings for Bedard) that he didn't wanna be there.

@greathoonta3461 2 ай бұрын

@@FirewagonHockey going from a very productive season on a bad team to playing on a letdown team you had high hopes of running into playoffs with will do that to a man. Since he was 16 on top level hockey leagues for his respective age group he has played with elite playmakers as a pure sniper. He has McDavid and Strome in Erie, and he had Kane, Toews, and Strome in Chicago. So, to put him with Batherson and Giroux is a questionable move. Batherson is a player who likes to score goals, and Giroux while being a good playmaker lacks the speed DeBrincat has been used to playing with. It’s questionable, especially since Stutzle is a perfect DeBrincat linemate and he rarely got consistent minutes with him. But you know what, that happens. You misjudge a players ability to fit into your team. What doesn’t make sense to me is the fact that they neglected his capability’s so much on the power play, like did they even scout him before trading for him? DeBrincat from his OHL days right to the last game he had in Chicago always played the low circle on his off hand on the power play. He’s a very strong player who can power through pucks close to the net and put them top corner with next to no space. It is what he does best, and it is why Patrick Kane was so easily able to feed him in the low slot for one timers. So it’s confusing why they decided he was a player best suited to play on the point. He doesn’t have the playmaking ability to be a distributor, he doesn’t have the experience shooting through traffic to score form there, and once again… Ottawa had players better suited for that role! If you want a forward on the point put Stutzle up there. He’s done it a lot for the Sens, he’s got a great eye for playmaking, and he’s got an excellent wrister from range. Plus, having him on that point let’s him swap sides with Chabot and dish passes low for quick shots. We literally saw Ottawa do this after they demoted DeBrincat to the second power play, it’s unbelievable how dense their coach was. It’s fair to say DeBrincat didn’t give it his all, and his stats don’t tell a pretty story, but he wasn’t exactly given the opportunities he needed to succeed.

@koshka02 2 ай бұрын

Sens never recovered from that Kunitz double OT goal. Most devastating loss in Sens history. I'd count 2007, but they got dismantled by the Ducks so it wasn't even close.

@ayashin19 2 ай бұрын

That was a good video i been a die hard sens fan since 92 93 i felt it all i still have faith in this core tho all these kids can do is grow up at times they look like the best team in the nhl they are super inconsistent like grossly inconsistent

@TwentyOne_Five 2 ай бұрын

It’s like a Ken Burns video. Okay. Maybe not. But liked it.

@TwentyOne_Five 2 ай бұрын

Ive been saying for a while that im concerned about this entire rebuild. We must have the worst prospect pipeline in the league too. There’s sooo much riding on this coach.

@Alex-g4h1q 2 ай бұрын

The sens have a long history of developing players for other teams. Other then Aflie.

@williamford9564 2 ай бұрын

43:39: If Stan Bowman can get another job, which he just did, then Dorion certainly can too. Don't underestimate the stupidity of NHL Owners and the power of the Recycle Old Has Been Coaches and GMs mentality out there.

@xavierlafontaine121 2 ай бұрын

Cody Ceci is the funniest player in the NHL! Watching him play is like watching Mr Bean try to act natural.

@xavierlafontaine121 2 ай бұрын

He was at the 2018 draft show at the CTC and his personal body guard was a 3ft dwarf in a black security shirt lol. Buddy had an actual midget for a body guard 🤣

@pierreracine8338 26 күн бұрын

But damn does he look good as a human. A human Greek God

@matthewgregory8218 2 ай бұрын

0:29 well it’d going to take a long time for the Sens to be someone. The prospect pool was looking good for awhile, but it’d not looking good now. Looks like the next coming of the coyotes.

@matthewgregory8218 2 ай бұрын

Always be a poor November. I expect a bottom 4 finish every year from now on.

@pierreracine8338 26 күн бұрын

A kidney not a liver

@robjk8876 2 ай бұрын

I the Dorion gets a bad rap because of the owner who handicapped him. He never had a huge miss in draft but trades where melnyk told him to make the bad trades

@FirewagonHockey 2 ай бұрын

If Melnyk didn't want him to spend and Dorion knew he was full of shit, then he could've at least got some valuable futures. Instead, he cut off Duclair prematurely and Brannstrom and Lassi Thomson never lived up to expectations. Also, if he wanted Tyler Boucher that badly, he should've traded down and gotten a roster player instead of flat out wasting a 10th overall pick.

@TonkyTube 2 ай бұрын

Never had a huge miss in draft??? Already forgot about Tyler Boucher???

@robjk8876 2 ай бұрын

@@TonkyTube hasn’t he had injury problems? Also if you look at that draft there are players with more potential but none that broke out after him getting drafted then Johnston who a lot of people skipped over. The Covid draft was a crazy one.

@TonkyTube 2 ай бұрын

@@robjk8876 Boucher is not even a second choice pick. Not even good enough for the AHL. All experts were scratching their heads when they took him. What’s more Cole Sillinger was selected right after Boucher. Even without injuries, this player was just bad, an incredible waste of a 1st round pick.

@robjk8876 2 ай бұрын

@@TonkyTube that was the Covid draft where hockey and the world stopped so it was a crap shoot. I don’t like calling players busts because of injuries. Sillenger won’t be more then a 3c, which is good but not hard to find. Phinto is way better player and wasn’t a first. Look at the karlsson trade he did compared what the sharks did. He didn’t want to do the douche either trade and if the sens play better it should have never been top 5 pick back to back