How politicians troll the media

[@Frdyan]

So it sounds like the fix to this would be to have a news cycle that focuses on actual stories instead of huddling around drama like a bunch of highschoolers.

[@Slooneyy]

Exactly!

[@allanrichardson1468]

Media should preface EVERY story about an upcoming “bombshell” by a standard disclaimer: “X announced today that a story about Y is to be released; it’s possible that the story is just bait to get us to speculate, but until this is actually released, we will give no further details.” Then NO FOLLOW UP REPORTS unless the release is overdue; and then report ONLY that it’s overdue.

[@havek23]

But then you can't sell ads as easily! Their business is advertising and getting people to watch so they can sell those ads. Not to actually report news.

[@cassif19]

It would only be watched by people who can't be fooled in the first place. So you obtain nothing

[@TheOnlyONeill]

Allan Richardson But that would make too much sense 😒

[@lazyperfectionist1]

"What comes to mind when you hear the word 'troll?'" An unsightly creature of legend living under a bridge in the countryside. Naturally.

[@springbloom5940]

When I hear 'troll', I think of 'trolling', ie cruising around dragging bait, to see what bites.

[@springbloom5940]

@Klaus Barbie 🤨

[@BKai714]

Troll = Trump

[@thatbeefman8042]

Trolls, that one movie

[@vph7]

@@thatbeefman8042 trolls 2, that other movie

[@grimmgoosegoose216]

This is also called "argument inoculation" in social psychology. You introduce an idea to a group, you give them a simple defense of the idea and then they are more resistant to new/conflicting information about the idea even if the idea is clearly false.

[@grimmgoosegoose216]

Felix B no, I trying to give another reason as to why individuals who believe wrong information persist in that belief.

[@xponen]

"argument inoculation" can also be used to prevent people from believing fake news; 1st) you introduce a fake news to a group, then 2nd) you reveal it is actually fake/a sham. The people who have been "inoculated" are able to resist real fake news later.

[@josephosullivan9891]

xponen wow you really didn't get it did you

[@xponen]

@Kang Jin, no I get it, what @Grimm GooseGirl is saying is that basically the first thing you saw is what you believe the most. This is an interesting quirk of human mind, you could use it to both help protect people from fake news or to instead manipulate people to believe fake news depending on your goal... after you 'inoculate' a person with your "facts" then this person will respond differently to a similar fact in the future... this mechanism work just like a Vaccine; you have to 'inoculate' a person when he's young or as early as possible.

[@evelynzation]

xponen Media education is desperately needed in our modern age of information overload. Thank for inoculation info

[@tcdoesstuff]

There is this saying where I live:「人不要臉，天下無敵。」, translated to English is roughly: "A shameless man in invincible". Yeah, I felt those vibes in this vid.

[@peachylady]

Wow, I love that saying. So true.

[@PrabhavShukla1]

The troll is shameless, since he is least bothered about the consequences of his lie being caught. In the context of this video, its the politicians who unabashedly keep on trolling even after their falsehoods being called out.

[@tcdoesstuff]

Tony- Atkinson My mind just went to this saying for some reason. I guess it’s because a lot of politicians don’t have any shame in messing up the world for their own sake.

[@rewer]

Oh hi fellow chinese. I'm chinese as well.

[@xunzi4327]

汉人最好人

[@SciencewithKatie]

The inclusion of Charlie Brown in this video made it 100 times better, loved it! 😊💛

[@SciencewithKatie]

Also, totally agree - resisting the bait that trolls give out is the only way to beat them.

[@NewMessage]

Very apt.. seeing as I find myself screaming 'AAUGH!' ever time they pop up with a new 'conspiracy' on FOX.

[@opsin]

I love how well it highlights the need for subsequent skepticism. Part of the problem is how much news organisations wind up buying into the bait because they need something to sell, and a potential bombshell chyron gets more attention and keeps more viewers than a potential bait one. An incentive to tell us the truth instead of selling more ads or subscriptions would be amazing.

[@ThreeFiveSe7en]

This a 1000x!!

[@Vox]

"God I hope this makes even a tiny bit of sense." - me, writing the Charlie Brown part - Carlos

[@124deaper1]

The biggest troll is trump himself.

[@ave4106]

Light Michaels drumpf*

[@randumbvideos7455]

@American Gold Eagle yep

[@constantiniasmith4231]

When he says he will stop the war in syria but then he launch rockets to some al assad's millitary base

[@MeatTreBeep]

So funny I forgot the laugh!

[@elixorvideos]

@American Gold Eagle Better than 4 years of Trump nightmare.

[@albb0920]

gosh, please don't put high pitch noise in your video.

[@aaaaaaaa6685]

albb0920 lol I thought my phone speaker 🔊 was broken

[@LimeGreenTeknii]

Someone's never lived with tinnitus before.

[@HappyBunnyMonkey1]

I thought I was having a stroke for a sec

[@Sacchidanand]

albb0920, it's because it's not normal.

[@altrag]

Pretty sure they do that to get around KZbin's automatic copyright detection system. It was particularly horrific though. Most channels these days just offset the sound by a second or two which is a bit painful as well when you can see the speaker's lips not syncing up, but at least its not physical pain..

[@isa0ber]

i stopped reading the news and that worries me but i got tired of bullshit

[@Music-tp3wh]

isabel print journalism isn't so bad, it's tv that's terrible

[@erzan]

isabel blebel Follow You can just follow academic blog's, podcast and so on.

[@folie-n3t]

I find if you just read the news, you can control what you read and don't.

[@mugenjin205]

Reading and watching the news is a good way to hone your bullshit detector :)

[@zxaj]

am i the only one to hear a rising ring noise at 0:27

[@zxaj]

LOL

[@Greasyspleen]

No, it was excruciating.

[@MrSafer]

that is what tinnitus is like. its real and its a disability.

[@iamkapilkalra]

It was so annoying, I was deciding to end the video

[@monke6774]

Just down the Volume your not gonna die from a youtube video.

[@FromCowTown]

Was that shrill ringing on purpose?

[@yashizuko]

...also known as "Italian elections for dummies "

[@gabrieleporru4443]

Why, exactly

[@kya_farak_padega]

Same things has been happening in India , just replace 'conspiracy' with random outrage from the fringe groups and propaganda of our 'Supreme Leader' being shoved down our throat.

[@rsp9238]

Prabhodya Singh that's not the same thing. These random groups aren't baiting because this is what they actually believe. E,g. Sikhs r outraged at the Indian governments treatment of them and rightfully so as many have lost their lives over this...

[@audobone]

Indian news is a completely different fuckfest. If media organizations like Vox ever decided to cover them... Well, let's just say they won't ever run out of political topics to cover.

[@pranavvaniawala]

News cycle in india has become gossip columns - without fact checking / verification any news circulated becomes headlines ... Its such a sad state of affairs ....

[@hemishshah6666]

Oh Hello lib left 😅 You could become lib right, but you chose to be the worst 😊 Auth right > auth left > lib right >>>> lib left.

[@Music-tp3wh]

I absolutely love this series. VOX is the only media outlet that actually does deep digging on media scrutiny. IT's very important to call these tactics out and make the media and viewers aware of what they're doing wrong. Even if intentionally.

[@NoPatricioNo]

This video continues the trend of Carlos’ content getting better and better every time it comes out. Kudos, man!

[@Latin00032]

Wow! Vox, this is actually a decent less biased story. Kudos!

[@Ghonosyphlaids]

Well done! Would love to see more videos that clearly define an idea in political theory and an example of it in current events. It's a great tool to help those without a background in the nitty gritty of bullshit- I mean politics- navigate the current media landscape.

[@hhanonymous]

It's like the 24 Hour News Cycle always finds bait and covers it because its rewarded with viewers and its a vicious cycle. 24 Hour News Channels should have more restraint like mentioned in the end of this video, but sadly News Room editors won't change and ultimately aim for ratings to please advertisers.

[@erinpotter7022]

These videos are brilliant. You break these things down so well. Thank you for doing this.

[@cory1845]

What do I imagine when I hear the word troll? It's what grade you get if you fail a test in Harry Potter

[@bookish4460]

Or alternatively "TROLL!! IN THE DUNGEON!!!!!!"

[@oof-rr5nf]

BookBug 4Life ILU!

[@oof-rr5nf]

bookish * then faints and drops to the floor *

[@disorderlyconductextinctio7575]

Trump is trolling america while his supporters either are calling it fake news... Its expose and they say trump was joking or any other bs 😂😂😂

[@winter_silhouette]

BookBug 4Life actually there were 3 grades for failing with troll being the lowest

[@Winterseeker]

Very well said.

[@dominiklynton2536]

Thanks for the tinnitus @ 00:22

[@MrSafer]

i live with that almost all of the time, wear your earplugs. its not fun, right? its a real disability.

[@VladTchompalov]

Thanks for cutting through the noise and making us more informed

[@piyushvaid5079]

Wonderful research and observation from Carlos, Vox and team. This video should go viral and make people realize what is really going behind the scenes

[@arturocardoni9012]

Wow. Vox today is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the best news channel out there. Period! Please keep up the good work!

[@balancedstereo]

Doing a Progressive Tax on (Just) the “Greedy Part” of Wealth & Conservatively Spending (Just it) on Social Programs gets us a “Stable Society” (the “True Creator” of All Wealth!!) AND we do it with “Direct Democracy” where WE Directly Propose, Enact & Enforce “Merit Based Standardized” Laws & “Money” isn’t a factor!! - "Like" this so we all See & Do this!!

[@SolinoOruki]

Carlos Maza's show is the best one on Vox! Thumbs up!

[@hellhero999]

Warning, triggered republicans coming

[@elecktromaestimmy]

I'm just here to not miss the show xd

[@DodgaOfficial]

hellhero999 we don't get triggered, we just don't like liars.

[@blazeylikme7801]

Soviete Onion Have you not seen the Republican rallys after Obama's victory...twice.....

[@b.parker1740]

@Daniel That's not what Politifact says.

[@allanrichardson1468]

Daniel Mihalko Unless they’re lying to help YOUR side! It’s not violating the Ninth Commandment if you’re lying FOR Jesus!

[@crymp2057]

This might the best video on politics that Vox has made so far

[@jacobdriscoll8276]

And thus shifts the Overton Window, a little bit more...

[@jaysteel3766]

"DEEPER THAN WATERGATE!??!?" I lost it. This is truly ridiculous.

[@sritanshu]

2:47 You should know better than that by now Rachel. Your reaction should have been, "Oh no! Not again."

[@callmeswivelhips8229]

Dude, that analogy was on point, the camera guy should be ashamed of himself for doubting

[@Robert.Sheard]

It’s pretty safe to say that anything Nunes says is trolling.

[@chroline33]

Vox says it like it is, and that’s what the American people need right now

[@665hp]

Who's watching this during the bombshell of John Bolton's new book?

[@thenewfatcat]

CNN, MSNBC going segment after segment after John Bolton's book. Seems like Mainstream Media fell for the bait again.

[@d.x.1152]

@@thenewfatcat You can read the book and verify what is true from the news

[@antwainclarke3406]

Maybe they should just report news. Not speculation. Not predictions. Not amping us up for a huge bombshell. But just news.

[@djorgs]

Thanks for trolling us with that high-pitched noise.

[@MrSafer]

grow up some people live with that everyday. its real and its a disability.

[@hollywoodolq]

trolling is putting a tinnitus sound in full volume at 0:22 . Thank you that really hurts

[@mufasaiam7794]

For those of you who are blaming the media; when a politician is suspected of being corrupt, that's real news, it's not the medias fault for covering it, it's not the media's fault that the politicians turned out to be lying. Blame the troll, not the troll victims.

[@mufasaiam7794]

HammerBroGH these conclusions are made by analyst who do this kind of thing for a living. They're not random people with opinions they find on the internet. And i have no idea what you're talking about with the rest of your comment.

[@justthecoolestdudeyo9446]

You're right in that the politicians are the number 1 guilty party here, but the media isn't the victims, they have been raking in profits over hyperinflating GOP trolling over other important information because said behavior gets more eyeballs per minute (and therefore revenue) watching their news channel, which is all they care about in a for-profit, corporate newsroom. They benefit greatly from the cartoonishly awful behavior that they can spend days focusing on instead of more complicated, but pressing issues.

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

Thumbs up just for accurately defining the word "troll". Ever since grandmas and grandpas have joined social networks, suddenly everyone who says something that someone else doesn't like is a "troll". No. A troll is someone who says something just to provoke you.

[@alexanderlopez04]

One of the greatest segments on the whole internet

[@JohannKao]

Keep up the truth. Love the full-circle Charlie Brown analogy and side shade at Milo, hah. Thanks for another well-put-together video!

[@abhijeetshalom]

Yoooo why is there high pitch noise....

[@spotflippop9493]

Abhijeet Shalom Is it supposed to be a dog whistle?

[@naysayer8383]

Really excellent narration.👍 I blame the media for assisting unscrupulous politicians and deliberately misleading the public.

[@emalinel]

Ow. Whoever's sensitive to mosquito tones, mute the video from 0:22-0:30. So so painful x.x

[@batjoker500]

I like how this video mentions Milo Yiannopoulos unfavorably and insighted a curiosity that led to me binge watch his media to the point where I'm now an avid fan, Thanks Vox!

[@atharvapande1373]

Give this guy a tonight show

[@noahbodycares3005]

I'm a conservative. And this was a good argument. Good job.

[@rsf0000001]

Vox really did a great job explaining why this is a major problem. I am a little concerned that they seem to think this is a new phenomenon. It either means they are entirely naive or they are entirely partisan.

[@2003evodave]

Both !

[@MsJackieJack]

Did anyone else find that static noise in the beginning piercingly traumatic? Yikes.

[@CullenCraft]

An episode of strikethrough that actually (kind of) nonpartisan?!?! Insanity! Good video, guys

[@moramento22]

It rose, it rose, it rose, it rose, and at the end it hurled down like a meteorite

[@erzan]

I stopped watching mainstream news when I stopped listening to high school gossip. Academic blog's, podcast and lectures only for me.

[@starcherry6814]

This seems like more of a national news issue, because my local news station rarely focuses on White House scandals

[@JerryC25]

Troll dolls were pretty cool

[@tube3365]

Well done, well done!

[@notaugustus2076]

I am centered, but Vox did a good job in this video.

[@Millionsofpeas]

Nah, you are both wrong. Carlos is nearer the center than both of y'all.

[@linkscarlet9094]

Peoplekind I am more centered and agree...

[@flimsyfox]

0:40 I haven’t even watched the full video yet, and I already love it because of the funny music.

[@jaridkeen123]

What is that high pitch noise in your video holy s*** you're making my ears bleed 0:25

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

2 years later things are even worse. Smh.

[@prajvalrao4871]

I imagine "roblox"

[@johncatalano7453]

Thanks Vox. Agree or not, you’re segments make us think.

[@Chor1op]

Hi *"I'M JUST CAME TO SEE THE COMMENTS"* SQUAD

[@justthecoolestdudeyo9446]

Hi *JUST CAME* how're you doing? Sorry, I hate myself the appropriate amount lol

[@Chor1op]

Yeah u should hate yourself

[@frankdelgrosso8297]

The problem is the media loses it this way so they have no incentive to change. The more polarized we are the more will we sit glued to our TV soaking in those sweet sweet advertisements.

[@manasi6829]

You forgot to mention Trump

[@Thoran666]

Yep, Donald made trolling main stream.

[@squipy184]

It was assumed

[@Infaziation]

No he's just that dumb

[@toddmediumwellingtoniii478]

Jay I don't. think he's that dumb honestly.

[@aniceman7708]

The news hasn’t happened yet

[@TheEyrie]

Turn, Pledge, Prestige. Its a basic magic trick that surrounds us EVERYWHERE!

[@jemohseni]

I love how super conservative & far right Prager.U. has bought out ads for every moderate to left-leaning KZbin channel's videos.

[@adamdonahue2079]

People need to see this. The news outlets need to see this.

[@imarginacionmxd]

Nice keep it up

[@johnjosmith42]

So important. Great vid guys.

[@bharathkumarosho]

Just Brilliant👌

[@Ikbenelbers]

This is so good. Nice work guys!

[@5pctLowBattery]

6:12 why can’t networks like CNN ignore them? Leave the coverage to Fox News. CNN gets a lot of ad revenue with that type of coverage?

[@doodelay]

Man, this is one of the best guys on vox. If he had his own channel I'd subscribe in a heartbeat.

[@NewMessage]

Just like when my Doctor trolled me by saying the lump was cancerous.. I didn't fall for it though.. * cough * * cough * No matter how hard he tried to sell it by having me declared incapable of making sensible decisions. * cough * * cough * I gotta go lay down.

[@DontMe__]

Troll-ception

[@namthainam]

So I guess you think there is no such thing as trolling or you think politicians are equivalent to your doctor. Either way i feel sorry for you :( good luck in life buddy, you'll need it...

[@fka-Kaya]

Nam Thai He´s a fulll time troll who apparently has absolutly nothing else to do in his life. You can find him trolling pretty much every comment section on any larger channel.

[@joojoojuice]

Hey, hey.... you don't look so good. would you like an asprin? that'll be 3036.98 dollars, oh and of course we'll give you a 15% off discount because it's putins birthday! хорошего дня!

[@namthainam]

A full-time troll. Wow, that must be an interesting friendless life...Well, it's not a permanent condition.

[@GaryTuttle]

This video is not only super insightful, but also can help us defend against this form of divisive psychological warfare waged upon us all.

[@Angel-vy5ge]

I think of roblox..

[@ashervijayyampolsky7759]

YES! This is brilliant!!

[@adarw0089]

This is not trolling 101, this is journalism 101.

[@toddmediumwellingtoniii478]

Albara Darwish hah yes! yes it is.

[@adarw0089]

It is not an internet coversation to have about whether jounrailsm in school is the same as journalism in the world we are in today. You and I both know it is NOT. Not trolling.

[@RandomPPerson]

You gotta pay the troll toll if you wanna get into this boy’s soul.

[@adarw0089]

@Godzilla McDolan I believe the world is a simulation and nothing is real. Now i will crawl back under my bridge. ;)

[@JPMandz]

Dross M I could be wrong but I think he's making fun of the media for not fact checking their work, hence calling it journalism 101 for the level of journalism that actually goes into the work of our media these days.

[@FizzyDot]

That noise at about 0:30 shattered all the windows in my house and my ears are bleeding

[@thatdrunkguyyousawlastweek9127]

America is not even worth paying serious attention to, but its worth laughing at tho 😂😂😂

[@WeatherManChad]

Good job Carlos!

[@mW-lx9qo]

Hello. If you are reading this, I hope you are having a good day and leave a like

[@freeman9586]

anD lEaVe a LiKe

[@RandomPPerson]

Irasha Rasheedh Thank you, I hope you have a good day as well.

[@artv.9989]

Begging for likes on youtube? thats just sad man

[@Rustyrc83]

Vox is the funniest satirical channel on KZbin!

[@it_was_my_cat]

Counter arguments used that exact same charlie clip in a similarly themed video and his vid got demonetised because of it. Wtf youtube?

[@thecomeric9148]

I didn’t get an ad on this vid but idk Vox is probably different because they’re more of a network than a KZbin channel

[@0IIIIII]

Vox, being a big and professional company, probably got express permission from whoever owns Peanuts

[@kcfamilam5109]

The Charlie Brown analogy makes this sooo shareable to my friends and family who need a 101.

[@lucegoose]

Hi

[@ma5166]

Holo Unicorns hi

[@lucegoose]

First even though no one cares

[@lucegoose]

Mohammed Alesayi hey

[@hijack69]

That's me

[@lucegoose]

Hi Jack what do you mean??

[@sooprcoomr4828]

That's why talk show hosts are smart: They can call out "THAT"S BS!" while the big news argues over it as if it was an existential philosophy. I want to see how much longer can the administration "call wolf" until the news realize they were being played all along, or will there be a real wolf, in the end, to rip those senators, reps, and spokespeople into pieces.

[@parwindersingh9151]

#vox

[@Sihengli]

well structured, well played, vox.

[@pearsonator123]

The analogy used in this video was spot on. What a sad state of affairs where we can used a cartoon to describe the state of politics!

[@KrunoslavStifter]

Vox teaching about trolling. That's rich. Both figuratively and literally.

[@moonshadow7057]

The problem is people pay too much attention on conspiracy, suspicion, rumors, relevance, yet don’t care the fact, the evidence, official reports and logic

[@Hazzardworks]

Opened the video. Saw that guy. Closed the video.

[@ave4106]

Hazzardworks very intelligent way of thinking

[@ЦугундерШнеерсон]

Everyone cares, keep us informed.

[@Hazzardworks]

Цугундер Шнеерсон Will do. :)

[@aemonblackfyre4159]

that high pitched noise in the beginning nearly killed my ears!

[@lukastasca]

Milo Yiannopoulos is a great troll because he angres people just by telling the truth.

[@mattjohnston2]

Obvious attempt to troll on a video about trolling is obvious.

[@RichTapestry]

Ah, a troll.

[@MsHumanOfTheDecade]

The truth does not anger people, untruths do. Inconvenient truths will always be victorious in a debate, while untruths always lose. Though, in the game of politics this holds no water, as there is no 'good' decisions.

[@myky992]

Yeah a skewed, cherry-picked version of the truth wearing the bleeding skin of "science" while spewing rethoric and debunked misconceptions while conveniently ignoring all the insormountable evidence to the contrary. "Truth".

[@hellboy6507]

myky992 Most of what he says is true, but is portrayed in a manner to be incredibly condescending and meanspirited. This makes the opposition angry, which is the punchline to the joke "they can't handle the truth", which in turn also invalidates any arguments they have. SImply, his schtick is to present some kind of fact while simultaneously making his opposition furious, which makes his opposition look irrational and gives the audience a good laugh.

[@danielvmay]

You're a good man, Carlos Maza.

[@cadenbigler]

Vox, I usually like you. But this guy is so blatantly biased it's not even funny

[@Millionsofpeas]

Biasless news isn't a possibility and if you think it is you are biased towards the status quo. All news supports one political ideology or another but the familiar seems non-ideological.

[@cadenbigler]

Millionsofpeas all news is biased, it's literally impossible to not have something be biased. However, some news organizations such as Reuters are much more unbiased than others. You can clearly see which side this guy supports, which isn't bad, it's just good to be aware of what side whatever you're watching is leaning. In this case Vox says they are fairly unbiased, and they usually are however this guy clearly is very left-leaning. Which again isn't a bad thing, it's just important to be aware of

[@cheeseman0125]

Millionsofpeas vox tries to pass as objective. I'm annoyed at this for the same reason I'm annoyed with Sean hannity on fox news

[@Millionsofpeas]

Carlos, as he presents himself on Strikethrough and twitter, is not very left leaning. He is left leaning for an American pundit. He is just left of center worldwide. If you want to look at very leaning news you are pretty much forced to look at Non-American news.

[@hhiippiittyy]

I'm biased against people who don't signal when turning. I'm biased against food peppers not washing their hands. Bias is not always a bad thing.

[@tristanmoller9498]

Ay missed you man, where you've been so long? Your videos always great to watch Thank you