How Powerful Will Luke Skywalker Be In The Last Jedi? - Collider Jedi Council

[@SamMitchell90]

Some news this week was Mark Hamill defending Jake Lloyd and kind of standing up against criticism of the prequels. I'm not surprised this wasn't mentioned on the council, because prequel bashing seems to be a must on Collider, and any comments that don't fit into that don't seem to get mentioned. Hamill also said he knows about "clunky dialogue" similar to what Jake Lloyd had. And YES, Hayden Christensen should return and I really hope he is in Episode 8.

[@talondiwisch5206]

David James Well maybe they accidentally missed that one.

[@lawrencejelsma3937]

David James ... look at their decorations! It is all OT (no Prequel figures)! Besides I don't like the way George Lucas thumbs down religious belief systems that was not the case with the OT! If it's Luke's perspective and he hears Jedi voices (from spiritual form) and his mind is associatively putting a physical image to that voice ... well duhh he only saw older Ben Kenobi and the older Anakin (at the end of ROJ. I think they didn't CGI Haydn Christensen when Luke removes the mask!?)! -- When you enter a spiritual form your neither old nor young or would you like to live eternity seeing less attractive to old age forms (according to religious belief systems)!??

[@erikcasella4826]

David James so mark Hamill was defending jake Lloyd not the prequels. Prequels just suck. End of story. Great music, great effects, great costumes, shitty dialogue, shitty character development

[@lawrencejelsma3937]

Erik Casella ... not even the effects!? ... And how did Mace Windu die!? EP II Anikan can fall several stories, as a Jedi, onto moving vehicles in Jedi training!? Why wasn't Mace Windu taking courses from Anikan? There are bits and pieces of the Prequels good; but, more thought and care, instead of cartoon CGI-on-the-run physics! I did like all Darth Maul scenes in EP I as a menace! Obi-Wan vs Jengo Fett and cloner mystery with fight was ok on Kamino. Battle Arena 3 monsters ok! Yoda duel with Count Duku good (critics state why walk with a cane to deceive!?)! Great return to Curuscant for the Sith! -- all in EP II. EP III had great action movie-long but needed more time to develop (I.e. maybe a TV series works out best to watch Anikan being with the Jedi; but, constant interruptions in Jedi discipline in Jedi missions vs coming back to Padme stories needed)!

[@RonyH7]

THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT BASHING THE PREQUELS, WHY DON'T THEY LOVE WHAT I LOVE. THEY ARE JUST HATERS. THE PREQUELS ARE THE BEST THING EVER AND SHOULDN'T BE CRITICIZED.

[@loosenukes8153]

For David's name how about "Griff-N-2187"

[@lanceshadow5582]

Perfect

[@maragathm]

I read below General GriFFvous it is easier to say, rolls off the tongue easier.

[@cazzyjunk7585]

Griff-N-2187! Griff-N-2187! Griff-N-2187!

[@thebacons5943]

Ric Ward perfect

[@chrish7472]

Love that David is getting used a lot more on Collider

[@max_6763]

Love seeing David on more collider shows

[@kingofwakanda6899]

I wanna see Luke pull a goddamn Star Destroyer out of the sky. I would be wetter than I have ever been in a theater.

[@cloudystorm7314]

Oisín McMahon no

[@kingofwakanda6899]

Oisín McMahon well of course. I will literally be grinning ear to ear squealing the entire movie.

[@gokinsmen]

I gotta disagree. Luke has never been about "POWER!" or even wisdom per se. What makes him a great hero is his heart, his moral compass. He refused to kill. He chose non-violence. He'd rather die by the Emperor's hand than give into hatred. He believed in his father's love when no one else would. Even when he messed up (leaving Dagobah for Bespin), it was because he cared so much about Han and Leia. Star Wars is NOT a superhero film. Luke is not Magneto. SW is classic mythology and folklore filtered through adventure serials, westerns and modern special effects.

[@wadederrett6617]

you make luke sound like a pussy. he fought and killed thousands after all it was his shot that blew up the deathstar.

[@gokinsmen]

He'll take a life when necessary, but Luke's defining moment, his ultimate test was in RotJ when he refused to kill Vader and appealed to his father's humanity. Even Obi-Wan and Yoda had given up on Vader/Anakin at that point.

[@felixnolasco2509]

For David's Jedi council name how about general griffous.

[@nicosimioni7363]

Felix Nolasco Good one!

[@QuinlanLJ]

Hayden should come back as a Force ghost. I loved that idea since the Jedi Council talked about it a few years ago. I especially love the idea of Force ghost Anakin taking the role Carrie Fisher would have in episode 9 and being the one to guide Kylo back to the light or whatever they have in store for Kylo.

[@BlackMasamuneX]

Lando Cal Griffien.

[@elinobenjamin_val]

+

[@thomasbell8451]

BlackMasamune X nearly. Landon cal griffinson.

[@tyrionlannister467]

BlackMasamune X found this funny as fuck cos David's also black

[@anthonyfins7519]

I really like the idea of Anakin being the one to turn Kylo back from the dark side to the light, it's the only person he would listen to

[@Halderic]

I want a RPG video game where you play a student (one of many) being trained by Luke before all Hell breaks loose and Ben Kenobi begins his turn. (a STORY driven game like Knights of the Old Republic)

[@devansobo421]

Spartacus of Thrace We don't know why though.

[@jsolfin185]

David Griffin should be called Grevan.

[@jsolfin185]

As in Revan.

[@frankfechter647]

Jsol fin Think we got it

[@christopherfelipe60]

Im not really that excited for Han Solo movie.....but the episodic films I am excited

[@anthonyw6895]

I'm actually more and more excited for the solo standalone film

[@bradwright9477]

I don't think anyone is excited about the Han Solo film... yet. Its definitely a very divisive idea for a film and getting a new actor to play Han Solo is really unappealing. But the directors, writers, and cast are all great so I have to believe they have something worth watching with the film. Its a completely unnecessary film but I'm more than willing to give it a chance and wait to see a trailer to decide if I'm excited. Plus, seeing Donald Glover as Lando Calrissian is something I'd pay all my money to witness

[@gokinsmen]

"You will be...you will be."

[@aarontrainor9918]

christopher felipe Everyone is excited for the Anthology films

[@yoyoandreas11]

I am excited for bouth! :)

[@Unforgiven11]

Annakin having a role in episode 8 wouldn't be too surprising and it may actually be a key turning point for Kylo Ren. In TFA Kylo Ren was always speaking to his passed grandfather about how we wishes he could become as powerful in the dark side as he was. But Kylo Ren doesn't know that Annakin redeemed himself and turned back towards the light before he died. I think if he actually gets to encounter Annakin's spirit it might show him that he needs to align with the light as well.

[@MegaChris456]

It's so cool seeing the opening crawl getting edited in their production software, something I thought I'd never see.

[@kasF]

The praying to Anakin thing really makes sense. Would be an awesome final scene of episode VIII if Kylo is praying again, and Anakin actually shows up, mirroring the same encounter that Rey has with Luke. That'd be a pretty sick cliffhanger.

[@ryanp6055]

David Griffin - Salacious D. Griff, Lando Calgriffin

[@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment]

Just one question: Can Donald Glover sell Colt 45?

[@Hard_Boiled_Entertainment]

ROGUE ONE DEATH TROOPER Which would also mean forgetting Rule Number Two.

[@Violent_Mitch]

Yes! I hope Hayden/Anakin comes back in the Sequel Trilogy.

[@JeremyBarr]

great episode guys! You guys need to do a monthly episode where you just answer email and Twitter questions. I can't get enough of you guys.

[@danp.2837]

David is awesome, how is he not more often on the panel? Bring on the Griffin! Also Ken is looking young and fresh these days, it's like collider is Benjamin Buttoning him.

[@ShaneStLaurent]

Great shows. David's all over this week and I'm not complaining!

[@skeeyee1643]

The people making rebels just aren't great at storytelling. They can pull off a few good to great episodes, but they can't handle an overall series, which confuses me seeing what Filoni did with Avatar. I don't know much about Thrawn in the EU, but I do know he's a huge character for a reason. Now, I have no doubt that they will most likely give his character a fantastic payoff by the end of the season (though I wouldn't be surprised if it was the last episode), but that doesn't excuse them for doing nothing at ALL with his character for more than half of this season. That's not how you handle big villains of his caliber. You don't just disregard his prowess completely with a slow buildup until the end of the season. He still has to be awesome and overwhelming leading UP to his final strike. This is done wrong, as with much of everything else in Rebels.

[@VadersFist95]

Bunnitt W so wait you dont onow much about Thrawn yet you are critisizing how theyre using him?

[@skeeyee1643]

I don't need to know much about Thrawn to criticize this fact. Everything has an exception. Thrawn his a huge villain with a huge following for a reason. I don't need to read his books to know they are using him wrong, Dais. He hasn't DONE ANYTHING. Anyway, it's more of a criticism from a storytelling standpoint.You don't introduce a big villain with all that marketing and do nothing with him for more than half of the season.

[@RonyH7]

Filoni directed a few episodes of Avatar, what does that have to with handling an overall series?

[@The_cmorris]

thank you guys for everything yall do

[@aljagiello]

Grif FN 2187

[@DebbieSchechter]

Love it!

[@nathansmalle7054]

Nailed it!!!

[@lanceshadow5582]

YES PLZ

[@sheppard317]

Agreed, griffin, thats your new name on the council

[@TheMandalorian72]

I like this much more than "The Griffin" as Kristian called him. Aren't the nicknames always from the movies anyway?

[@matthewlandis1034]

That "Address the Council" was awesome and I actually completely agree with him.

[@__RonnieHouston__]

Growing Up Watching Hayden As Anakin, It Made Anakin/Vader My Favorite Character So Do I Want Him Back Ummm...................YEAH!

[@Arabella8069]

I loved the "Address the Council" video guys, the concept of Anakin being the link between Kylo and the light is great, I almost got emotional about it, that Chris guy could be on the show sometime

[@ADDOITALLDAY]

OMG I've never been this early for the council

[@nikclash]

been watching the show for over a year now, thanks for all the great content!

[@iamgroot2654]

The best show on Collider. Always great to see the Smith Lord on the Council.

[@TheTitan1138]

I'd love to see Hayden return as Anikin Skywalker in Episode 8 or 9! it'd be the best way to tie everything together and to give Ben/Kylo a swift kick in the ass! Plus it was once rumoured that Hayden himself would love the chance to step back into the role as either Anikin or Vader. And I don't have anything against Hayden or any of the cast from the prequel trilogy. He did a great job, they all did. If there is blame to be placed on anyone for how poorly those films were made, it would have to be placed on Lucas! With this new director at the helm, and should Hayden return should the script call for it, the there is no doubt that we will see Anikin portrayed in a new light, befitting of the story and the character, and it would make for an excellent and welcome return for Hayden! And as for Luke? He would be much more powerful than he was when we last saw him come the end of RotJ, but I agree perhaps a bit reserved. Not knowing his own strength so to speak. But I would love to see him making short work of troopers with his saber and use of his Force powers. and to go toe to toe with his nephew.

[@RoadKimg_14]

enjoyed seeing D Griff all week. would gladly welcome more of him.

[@mastermike890]

Count me in the pro camp for ghost-anakin. The concept art for him in the TFA art book looked amazing and NOT having him appear would feel so out of place since he is such a pivotal character in the galaxy- ESPECIALLY in the unlikely event that Rey is a skywalker, then we need to have a scene with all three generations of skywalkers standing together, accepting their role in the galaxy.

[@ralphroshia9247]

I definitely want to see the ghost of Anakin Skywalker in episode 8 & 9 played by Haydn that would be cool give that guy another chance

[@cforbes54]

Look forward to this every week!

[@RobbieNero]

How does this channel not have millions of subs by now?

[@bravetherainbow]

The fact that the director of the movie is working on a part of the movie is definitely great news.

[@shodancat1000]

One more episode and one more week closer to December, folks!

[@cuthbertmuckley9773]

Last time I was this early, we still thought Luke would have a significant role in The Force Awakens

[@geoffkelly3246]

Can't wait when Rogue One is released at home to be able to watch Rogue One and A New Hope truly back to back. Great show guys.

[@michelel1640]

Absolutely want to see Hayden come back as Anakin and I'm with Kristian I think he's already filmed a scene.

[@talondiwisch5206]

Totally agree that Hayden Christensen should be brought back and given another chance. Dude made a lot of awesome points.

[@alexg.8863]

I'm definitely going to Star Wars Celebration this year and I want to meet the Council. I live less than an hour away from Orlando. This is an opportunity that I don't wanna miss!

[@FaceManBuddha]

Leia was a Jedi under Luke's tutelage in Canon, which probably became Legend now. Further, the "Last Jedi" could allude to the last one trained; it could also be that Luke is the Last Jedi to be trained in that manner as Rey may be trained as a Grey Jedi...nevertheless, it probably was chosen to get people suspecting about things, which helps in marketing.

[@willp2877]

Most in-formal intro yet. I like it.

[@joemario13]

BRING BACK HAYDEN! I'd LOVE to see him as a Force Ghost in Ep8 or 9!

[@jedibond131]

"Millennium Griffin", anyone? I figure the ship is just as much a character as anyone. Plus the whole bird substitution thing.

[@josh_rock]

It wasn't just that Battlefront was the first Star Wars game since the deal, it was that Battlefront 2 was one of the most fun Star Wars game ever released. It had endless replay ability, had prequel and original trilogy characters, different factions to play as, conquest mode, space battles, and numerous heroes and villains that you can play as. Everything that this new one didn't have because of a game company like EA that only cares about looks and doing the bare minimum. It's terrible when a game that came out in 2005 is far superior than the predecessor that came out 10yrs later.

[@VadersFist95]

Josh Rock succesor* predeccesor means previous

[@BrynjarReynisson]

Ken has figured it out. The Last Jedi is about Kristian and most of the movie will be on Harloff Minor.

[@talondiwisch5206]

That Rey staff idea would be awesome. It would be REALLY cool if it was a new colour though. Like teal, turquoise, yellow or orange.

[@jayrome7]

There won't be a Last Jedi. Star Wars without a Jedi is Star Trek.

[@HyperSpaceUniverse]

YES! glad to hear you guys will be at Star Wars Celebration... JEDI COUNCIL panel please! see you there!

[@JoeSelf1982]

First off, I want to say this was another awesome episode. Kudos to everyone involved each and every week, in front of the cameras and behind them. Honestly, thank you! It's my favorite Collider show and I hope it continues for as long as there's STAR WARS movies to talk about. Unfortunately, I'm getting less and less inclined to read my fellow viewers' statements in the comments section. Look, it's freaking impossible to like each and every one of the Collider personalities. If there is a particular one I don't 'like', then the last thing I'm going to do is come on here and crap all over them. These people are taking time out of their lives and schedules to give us multiple FREE shows week in and week out. I'm sure that they all read the comments section to get a vibe from everyone. Ok, maybe not all of them, but dare I say most of them. I usually listen to these episodes the next day at work via the podcast format audio. The few times I was able to join in on the live Collider Movie Talk episodes, I was appalled at some of the comments I was seeing, just hateful and vindictive shit! I like to scroll down and see what other people are liking about STAR WARS in these Jedi Council episodes. But the amount of non-Star Wars topics is just sad to me. I'm getting less and less tempted of doing that anymore. I know most of us on here respect each other and appreciate these wonderful people putting on [AGAIN!] free shows. But it's those rotten few who I think ruin it for the rest of us. Just my 2 cents.

[@michaelgulick8166]

I say have Hayden appear as a Force ghost but keep it at a JJ-Abrams-level security secrecy until the movie comes out so Trolls won't have time to build up Anti-Hayden rage :).

[@PerfectNormal]

Red letter media is cool too. I love this little back and forth.

[@YelaButch97]

I just feel like I'm in the minority liking the prequels. I feel the same way older fans did when they first saw the OT. I was 4 years old and I remember seeing Attack of the Clone in the theater and it blew my mind. All I want is for the sequel trilogy to at least try to tie in to the prequels. I'm not saying Jar Jar has to come back but if I saw Naboo or Corusaunt or any prequel planets I will be happy.

[@YelaButch97]

And yes I know Mustafar was in Rogue One but they never said the name

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

it's a known fact that people feel nostalgia. look how many power rangers fans there are. doesn't make it any better tho. And of course it blew your mind as a 4 year old; the prequels have a lot of cool visuals. I love em too. PS: i was 14 when AOTC came out.

[@JackQSmith]

Great clip by Chris Hartwell. I'd be on board with HC reappearing as Anakin as a Force Ghost or vision in Episode 8 or 9 as long as it fits the story, which this clip demonstrated that it did. I agree with a lot of his points. I'd love to see it happen if done well, but it could be terrible if its done poorly. I'm sure Disney and Johnson are well aware of that though and wouldn't consider it unless they were very confident it could be done well. Also if HC redeems himself playing Vader in the new trilogy, it would mirror the character he played perfectly!

[@peacefulwarrior89]

That "Rule of Two" theory for the Jedi to follow as well could be amazing and kinda makes sense. 1. The original rise of the Empire could partly be attributed to the fact that the Jedi Order had become so blind to real danger and some of their rules were severely outdated. 2. Luke tried to start a new order but then his star pupil Kylo Ren betrayed Luke and took some of the Jedi and turned them into the Knights of Ren while killing the rest that wouldn't follow him. Luke is probably weary of trying to start over because of the fear that he won't be strong enough to stop another such incident. He may believe that just two Jedi should exist at once so that the new order does not become corrupted. 3. Lastly, there is a precedent that only one Jedi was able to overthrow an evil empire by himself (of course with help from his non-Jedi friends) so maybe he thinks two is just right for ensuring peace in the galaxy. It would be kinda ironic that the Sith created the "rule of two" to ensure they would never again be plagued with infighting and such. But Luke may adopt it as well for another different but equally important reason. The original council was weak because of too much inaction, and their lack of using necessary violence led them straight to their own destruction. Bonus theory: What if we find out that the Jedi Council had a traitor in their midst working with Palpatine the whole time. Maybe even it was Snoke himself? My God, I'm way too much a Star Wars geek to have this amount of thought about just a possible (yet unlikely) future plot point.

[@dtevol]

I love it when Da Griffin is on Jedi Council.

[@ADDOITALLDAY]

Very cool address the council. I don't know if force ghost Anakin should be in Ep 8 or 9. But I would like it.

[@weezyslob]

I'm not a big fan of the prequels at all, I really only like RoTS, but the idea of Hayden force ghost Anakin sitting and conversing with old man Luke is extremely cool to me. Connects the prequels and current universe like we've never seen before, and to hear what Anakin would have to say about the mistakes he made or what his life was like as Vader well after those events, I love the images that pop up. I know it's not popular, but I think Hayden could really get a chance to be redeemed with a director like Rian Johnson.

[@seancampbell1383]

Wow! Homeboy's video on Force Ghost Hayden was great, and well-written! Very compelling stuff. And a pretty cool recap of the Canon.

[@commandershepard485]

You see how David's face lit up when kristian was reading about his new name lol. 😂

[@louiewilliamson1062]

Great address the council!! I agree wholeheartedly.

[@123themovieman]

"I can't wait for them to sit and have a conversation" Literally as you're recording they were having dinner lolz.

[@pietropietro5466]

great council as always guys!!!! keep it up!

[@ZappaBlues]

Luke will say, (in a mock French accent) "I've already got-a one. Its-a very very nice-a"

[@harrisonsnellgrove8843]

ZappaBlues sounds more Italian plumber

[@ZappaBlues]

Watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail - The French Taunter Scene

[@aveeaniasandoval2092]

Love seeing D. Griff being utilized more! great show guys.

[@Law19157]

Thrawn sounds like he's about to fall asleep each time he speaks in Rebels

[@tito22212]

Campea's old, " Luke is be more powerful than a prime Palpatine." Utter nonsense

[@ColliderLadiesNight]

Luke was destined to become more powerful than the Emperor. Vader said that the Emperor has foreseen Luke future ability to destroy him.

[@RoadKimg_14]

ColliderVideos "I have foreseen it" !

[@nicholassiple7838]

holyflame2 Yes it is true

[@Clarkey7163]

Cmoooooon mate, you can't go around commenting actual utter nonsense on a podcast of Star Wars fans.... everyone knows Anakin/Vader and Luke could've and probably were more powerful than the Emperor

[@RoadKimg_14]

Clarkey7163 maybe some do. people listing to this yes... maybe some just coming into the mix... ?!!

[@ivor1977]

great show again this week

[@MaddAce100]

I really think Luke is the one who messed up Snoke's face. That's why Snoke wants Luke dead, or at least the map containing his location destroyed. Luke really scarred him.

[@filipeklund3120]

How about David Greedo?

[@charvelgtrs]

He's going to move something incredibly huge. That just makes sense as this movie will probably reflect Empire a lot.

[@CraziFuzzy]

Star Tours randomness was limited during the 'Season of the Force' to push everyone into the Force Awakens scenes. That's over now, so there's a ton of variety on the ride now.

[@raywatson3321]

Ken rocking that AT/AT shirt, awesome!!

[@sithboss8698]

I'm totally wit this guy Chris he just got another sub 4 that video

[@sithboss8698]

John Morgan u gotta watch the end of whats the deal with canon

[@AlexYBITW]

sith boss What's his channel please ?

[@lukasgnagel]

Grand Admiral Griffin or Darth David

[@marcusblixenkrone-mller7169]

Tiff, Harlorff, Campea and Ken.. The best council

[@Dave4493]

Love the subtle diss to the hack frauds at RLM

[@BrynjarReynisson]

What will the crawl be? Doesn't this movie happen right after Force Awakens?

[@Infamouss501st]

Brynjar Reynisson Good point I don't think there should be a crawl to be honest.

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

Yes, and that's the crawl. "Rey and Luke are standing on an island, looking at each other." just that

[@MDefender22]

You know, the last Jedi I like to think Jedi could be plural

[@plo617]

Considering how OP Rey was, he'd better display some godly force powers.

[@telademise]

I would love for them to connect the prequels with the sequels (in a reasonable way of course) by using Anakin. There were very little if any in Force Awakens (the Clone reference was there more to explain that Finn isn't a clone) and the ones they did have JJ wanted out.

[@bandgeek4128]

Yes David!! More David!!

[@TheVarietyGuy]

How did anyone get confused about the crash course? It was very clear.

[@mnoir7257]

Great an opening crawl! Just like Rogue One should have had.

[@justink569]

YES!! FINALLY!! IM HERE BEFORE KING OF WAKANDA!!

[@MrTweedlerdslol]

100% agree after he made the point about leia being gone and that anakin would be perfect to come back to talk to kylo amazing address the council

[@Drew914]

I really can't wait for the Blu Ray of R1. Had to go out and watch it one last time yesterday's

[@starwarsunderground1034]

Han Solo December 2018,BOOK IT.I dont want to wait a year and a half for Episode 9.

[@QuinlanLJ]

I would love to see Kylo get redeemed and pulled back to the light. And granted we have seen that before, but what we haven't really seen is a 180° of one character who was first dark come to the light, and a character who was first light go to the dark. Rey and Kylo reversing roles would be fascinating and make Rey become a hearbreaking tragic character. Han Solo is my second favourite SW character and I still believe Kylo Ren to be redeemable.

[@TinCanJon]

Considering Luke is able to use both Light and Dark Sides of the Force, I kind of want him to be the second known master of Vaapad in the Star Wars universe. I feel like this style would be very befitting of him too. It wouldn't require a lot of flamboyancy but a masterful technique as well as unpredictability, and of course it would let his emotions take control of the fight but he would never actually turn to the Dark Side.

[@ferdinand2365]

I hope luke has dialogue with Hayden (force ghost)

[@imyouandurme]

I can't help but think of the old western Rio Bravo (1959) where John Wayne has to knock some sense into his best friend (Dean Martin's character) and sober him up to get him "back in the saddle". Of course, I don't want to see a drunk Luke, but instead of focusing on how powerful Luke is, I think I'd like to see TLJ focus on Luke's own personal defeat, having lost his best friend (along with several of his students) at the hands of his own pupil. I agree with Tiffany that he would probably be reluctant to use the force after all that has happened. I think it would be very moving to see him have a change of heart as a result of his relationship with Rey.

[@gordonvshumway]

Love when smithlord is on Jedi Council

[@arturobenavides6142]

I bet Kristian's favorite part of Jedi Council is saying "what's the deal with canon?" lol

[@jonathanharvey4678]

I am still not unconvinced that the movie that inspired Lucas entitled 2187, Leia's cell #2187 in A New Hope and FN-2187/FINN is not Force sensitive. I still think he will eventually be trained as a Jedi.

[@noahfortner2]

I actually saw a pic of Billy Dee and Glover in a restaurant a couple days ago lol

[@pablocuadras1292]

David Griffin getting that money this week!