How Railroad Crossings Work

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3 ай бұрын

How do they know when a train is on the way?
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Despite the hazard they pose, trains have to coexist with our other forms of transportation. Next time you pull up to a crossbuck, take a moment to appreciate the sometimes simple, sometimes high-tech, but always quite reliable ways that grade crossings keep us safe.
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@PracticalEngineeringChannel
@PracticalEngineeringChannel 3 ай бұрын
Happy New Year! What other burning questions do you have about railroads?
@chrisharris7893
@chrisharris7893 3 ай бұрын
Defect detectors!
@yk.dezire
@yk.dezire 3 ай бұрын
You should cover defect detectors next!
@stabilini
@stabilini 3 ай бұрын
Happy new year Grady !!! This series is awesome... can't wait to signaling videos, I think it would be a series by its own. Another great thing are gravity yards.
@feuermurmel
@feuermurmel 3 ай бұрын
Hey, could you at least acknowledge in future videos that the railroad-related information you present only applies to NA (when that's the case)? At least in central Europa, with few exceptions, at-grade crossings work nothing like you presented in the video. Thanks!
@Nthuziast
@Nthuziast 3 ай бұрын
do one on the function of old railroad crossing signals like wigwags and griswold rotating banner signals
@danieljohn560
@danieljohn560 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for including the blue sign with the crossing information. If you're ever stuck on the tracks the first thing you should do is call that number and give them the crossing ID. It is the fastest way to stop a train.
@major__kong
@major__kong 3 ай бұрын
All gas stations have an e-stop (big red shutoff button) for the pumps. Learn where it is for the gas stations you frequent. You may need it one day.
@BrainScramblies
@BrainScramblies 3 ай бұрын
I've used one of these myself just to call and let them know that a pedestrian gate was stuck down. People were walking Around the gate and that's a dangerous habit to form.
@davidgates1122
@davidgates1122 3 ай бұрын
Wouldn't shorting the rails with your jumper cables (in addition to activating the crossing signals and gates) also turn the signals on that section of track red to warn any approaching train that there is another train on that section of track?
@andrewstamey4316
@andrewstamey4316 3 ай бұрын
Only in PTC protected track and even then it’s never fool proof.
@mcpr5971
@mcpr5971 3 ай бұрын
I've wondered the same thing@@davidgates1122 My guess is the cables might not get a solid grip on the rails, but it wouldn't hurt to do it *after* you dialed the phone number on the blue sign.
@eaglescout1984
@eaglescout1984 3 ай бұрын
14:31 If you ever see a vehicle stuck on the tracks, call that number FIRST. Many people end up dialing 911, but the time it takes for the 911 dispatcher to understand what's going on, get your location, determine which railroad to call (if there are multiple tracks in your area), call them, relay your geographic information, and have the train dispatcher figure out which crossing that is can be avoided by calling the blue sign number. It's a direct line to the train dispatch office and that crossing ID lets them know exactly where the issue is and they can notify any approaching train in seconds.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 3 ай бұрын
get the PEOPLE off the track first. THEN start calling.
@ViolletLeDonPin
@ViolletLeDonPin 3 ай бұрын
@@kenbrown2808 thank you mr. obvious
@mbryson2899
@mbryson2899 3 ай бұрын
​@@kenbrown2808 Excellent point! Get the occupants out and away to a safe distance. Then call the RR. Then, if time and situation safely permits, push the vehicle off the track. I grew up in Chicago, there are lots of street crossings there. We were actually taught all of the above in junior high, then again in high school.
@LupeCoded
@LupeCoded 3 ай бұрын
I did not know this. The suggestion is greatly appreciated.
@micahbeers8904
@micahbeers8904 3 ай бұрын
@@kenbrown2808 That isn't always an option.
@paulbaird205
@paulbaird205 3 ай бұрын
I saw a car drive through a RR gate. The care kept on but the damaged gate was bent in towards the rails and it was struck by the passing train. Within 5 minutes, UPRR was on scene and the gate was replaced and operational within 30 minutes. It was impressive. I was waiting for an autoshop to change a battery in one of their fleet vehicles I was picking up to take to auction. So, it took longer for a auto repair shop to replace a battery than for UPRR to respond and repair the crossing gate.
@MaskMcGee
@MaskMcGee 3 ай бұрын
Its more a necessity than impressive. Can't wait around a week for a broken gate to get fixed, if someone drives onto the tracks and gets hid by a train because the railway's crossing was broken they have a big legal problem. They can't stop running trains for a week for the gate to get fixed, as the cost of downtime is in the thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars per minute. Anything on the railway goes wrong they have to stop everything at huge potential losses so extremely quick fixes are the way every problem has to be handled.
@ThinkTooMuch69
@ThinkTooMuch69 3 ай бұрын
@@MaskMcGee”cost of downtime”…. You mean they’re just not making money
@nothisiskas
@nothisiskas 3 ай бұрын
​@@ThinkTooMuch69 no, they're actively losing money
@joshyoung1440
@joshyoung1440 Ай бұрын
​@@MaskMcGee no. Stop. Something being necessary does not affect how impressive it is to someone else. Stop trying to ick someone's yum, and more importantly, stop discouraging others from saying kind things.
@joshyoung1440
@joshyoung1440 Ай бұрын
​@@MaskMcGee everybody knows it's necessary. It's so blindingly obvious that that's the reason they do it, I just don't think anybody else thought it needed to be said. They just kind of understood that pointing out the obvious wouldn't make them sound smart.
@Mr2ronron
@Mr2ronron 3 ай бұрын
As our Company makes components for vital relays, your video is going to become a must see for all our employees. It helps to understand where what is being made is being used and why getting it made correctly is vitally important.
@Oz_Gnarly_One
@Oz_Gnarly_One 3 ай бұрын
The importance of vital relays is certainly drummed into the workers installing them in the field. Lives rely on these working within specification.
@roelesch
@roelesch 3 ай бұрын
I worked in the Dutch railroad management software for a bit. The most tricky situation we encountered was a train that crossed a road, stopped at a station for 10 minutes, and then departed in the opposite direction.
@MP-oh9lt
@MP-oh9lt 3 ай бұрын
I somehow don't see a big problem. Care to explain?
@frafraplanner9277
@frafraplanner9277 3 ай бұрын
That's definitely a troublesome edge case!
@MrDan961
@MrDan961 3 ай бұрын
We use DTMF codes for trains to activate and deactive crossings they are stopped near
@annabelholland
@annabelholland 3 ай бұрын
That used to happen at Ely railway station where EMR (East Midlands Railway) used to reverse at the station coming to and from Norwich (Liverpool to Norwich service), using the crossing twice. The level crossing was used by tall vehicles with an underpass for cars and bikes. Since a new bypass was built around the level crossing and the town, the level crossing is now gone. This shows why level crossings should be closed when there are at least three tph per direction
@supernenechi
@supernenechi 3 ай бұрын
Which station, if I may ask? From personal experience I believe this is kinda common.
@bvoyelr
@bvoyelr 3 ай бұрын
I firmly believe this video exists mostly to allow Grady to write off his nascent model train collection. It also helps that he was programming these train intersections for use in his model train track -- all he had to do is film it and provide the narration.
@WoodFamilyRu
@WoodFamilyRu 3 ай бұрын
He is really fond of making these models in his garage 😊 Great hobby, useful for many people 😀
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 3 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@freetolook3727
@freetolook3727 3 ай бұрын
The inner child comes through! 😂
@marth6271
@marth6271 3 ай бұрын
Exactly, AND his soil percolation device, and his sewage demo model. You ain’t fooling anybody, Grady! And thanks for taking a look see into railroading. And lift stations.
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 3 ай бұрын
I hope he's building an outdoor garden railroad, so he can put all his civil engineer skillz to use.
@jasonschubert6828
@jasonschubert6828 3 ай бұрын
I really like the idea of Japanese railway crossings where they show the direction of the train's travel. It is a great way to show that the system is not malfunctioning after a train has passed and a second is due in the other direction.
@raymondhopwood9393
@raymondhopwood9393 3 ай бұрын
I also like the idea of signs that flash when the nearby crossing is about to activate its warning devices.
@beyondEV
@beyondEV 2 ай бұрын
@@raymondhopwood9393 We kind of have that, i the sense, that the lights start flashing about 5-10 seconds before the gates start closing. (Switzerland). Unfortunately drivers often see this as a yellow, so they will keep going until the gates come down. Good news is: 1970-1999 you had a average of = 118 accidents on crossings per year; 2000-2008: 42, 2009-2016: 11,75, 2017-2022: 5,5 Think it was mainly, that the got rid of any unguarded crossings. And improved the rest (basically all have 4 gates). That is despite having a lot more and faster trains operating per day.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 Ай бұрын
@@raymondhopwood9393 Flashing lights are already one of the warning devices! You don't need flashing lights to warn you that the flashing lights are about to flash.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 Ай бұрын
@@beyondEV The flashing lights _are_ a yellow! They have exactly the same meaning: stop if it's safe to do so.
@seaofred88
@seaofred88 3 ай бұрын
As a railroad signal maintainer you did an excellent job explaining this. I wish I had you when going through training haha
@boyd19043
@boyd19043 3 ай бұрын
I 2nd that
@Oz_Gnarly_One
@Oz_Gnarly_One 3 ай бұрын
Certainty better than the decades old stuff they teach us on lol. We don't use predictors etc where I work so that was interesting.
@Drunken.Kitten
@Drunken.Kitten 3 ай бұрын
what voltage/amperage is used in a system like this? im assuming 24v/sub amp levels? had a shop teacher back in highschool have us help him build a train cart to get to his fishing spot up north, said if you bridge the rails it could kill you... seams highly unlikely to me.
@seaofred88
@seaofred88 3 ай бұрын
@@Drunken.Kitten I’m not sure on the exact voltage for our crossings but it’s very low. If you bridge the rails you don’t even feel it. It’s more of a frequency that we put out on the rails, and all crossings in the the area are different frequencies so their signals don’t overlap
@Drunken.Kitten
@Drunken.Kitten 3 ай бұрын
@@seaofred88 okay, that's what I thought. Is it controlled analog or with digital mosfets or something like that? On city power I'm assuming with battery for back up?
@nukehunterlp1371
@nukehunterlp1371 3 ай бұрын
It's quite interesting to see that apparently in the US the railroad crossings use track cirquits to detect whether a train is approaching or not. Here in Germany, they all work with directional switches that are activated by the train's wheel, and the crossing is opened with axle counting switches before and after the road. Basically if some amount of axles entered the road section and the same amount also left it, the safety devices shut off.
@maciejzettt
@maciejzettt 3 ай бұрын
I'd say it's a standard in the EU now. All new actively guarded rr crossings built in Poland use axle counters
@m0llux
@m0llux 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, in general it seems that American railroads (or the regulators) seem to focus less on preventing accidents, but instead they build everything railroad related like a tank so that on case of a crash, there are less deaths. A good indicator is that many railroads in America still use Track Warrant Control, essentially a glorified version of what we Germans know as "Zugleitbetrieb" or "Fahren auf Befehl".
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
@@m0llux I disagree with that assessment.
@SimonS44
@SimonS44 3 ай бұрын
There are several different ways for railway crossings in Germany: axle counters are one, but there are others that are automatically closed when a signal is set over it, or the signalman has to manually close them from the signal box
@marco23p
@marco23p 3 ай бұрын
Is it all axle counters in Germany? In The Netherlands, most of the network has track circuits as well.
@tis7963
@tis7963 3 ай бұрын
I live in the Kansas City area, so I've been crossing railroad tracks since I started driving. Crossings have improved dramatically in that time. Forty years ago, it was common for gates to stay down long after the train was gone, or to close when there was no train. Trains sometimes moved at a walking pace through crossings, or stopped completely, blocking the road. I haven't seen any of those problems in decades.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
Those "problems" still exist. Technologies like grade crossing predictors help, but trains going slowly or stopping on crossings still happens, usually regularly at the same crossings.
@57thorns
@57thorns 3 ай бұрын
@@jovetj I think it is more likely that those problem have either been solved locally, or that tis7963 has moved to a part of the city where this is less common.
@somebod8703
@somebod8703 3 ай бұрын
I suggest watching the "freight trains" episode of "last week tonight"
@ConstantChaos1
@ConstantChaos1 3 ай бұрын
Then you just aren't looking, trains arr getting so long that ambulances are stuck waiting on them for HOURS at a time and children literally have to climb under train wheels to get to school all over America. I'm glad you aren't dealing with it now but literally all of these problems have become exponentially worse in the last 8 years
@ConstantChaos1
@ConstantChaos1 3 ай бұрын
​@Catherinefox-tg5hk what are you smoking? The economy is doing better than it has in ages here and this also has absolutely nothing to do with the topic
@wraithcadmus
@wraithcadmus 3 ай бұрын
A common feature at extra-urban railroad crossings in the UK (or level crossings as we call them) is a handset that connects you directly to the signaller. These are generally meant for farmers who may have long and slow vehicles that might struggle to cross in good time, or even trying to drive a herd of animals across.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 Ай бұрын
There's a telephone like that at every crossing in the country. Anybody with a low-clearance or slow vehicle is obliged to phone for permission to cross, and then phone again to confirm the crossing is clear.
@erutuon
@erutuon 3 ай бұрын
You answered a question that I had forgotten. On a road next to a light rail line, the lights go red when the train passes. I always thought this was inefficient because there are no cars crossing the rails and the road while the crossings are blocked, but now I know the lights for the streets going across the road are green to ensure no cars are stuck on the rails between the arms and traffic on the road. I'll probably still feel it's annoying, but at least I know it's necessary.
@ralfie8801
@ralfie8801 3 ай бұрын
They should only remain red for a couple minutes until there’s been enough time for the crossing to clear, and then the adjacent road should go green. We have some traffic signals like that in m6 area that usually work pretty well. But they do stay red for extended periods sometimes, and when that happens the traffic signals flash red so you can stop and then proceed as if you were at a stop sign.
@jimsannerud6254
@jimsannerud6254 3 ай бұрын
I grew up near grade crossings for high speed commuter rail. We were taught from an early age to "Stop, Look, and Listen." With two tracks, sometimes the gates would be down with a train stopped at an adjacent station, but what you had to be aware of was the possibility of an express train approaching from the opposite direction. Unfortunately, a high school classmate of mine was killed by a train in exactly this manner.
@liam3284
@liam3284 3 ай бұрын
Yes, I have seen a few people also push through because they are trying to board the train entering the station, not realising an express is coming the other way. Fortunately they were near miss, but still concerning.
@phoenixaki3458
@phoenixaki3458 3 ай бұрын
Loved the explanation of how the circuits tend to failsafe towards assuming a train is coming - we had a winter storm a few years ago that had very strong winds and caused widespread power outages in my area and I was driving home from work that night and a local train track had lost its power and was stuck in the "train is coming" state. All of the drivers near me waited a good ~5 minutes before carefully (and terrifyingly) navigating our cars around the gates because there was no alternative way to get home without going over a similar track elsewhere
@johnschultz9023
@johnschultz9023 2 ай бұрын
Chances are a track circuit went down. All crossings have battery backup.
@distantsignal
@distantsignal 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video, AGAIN, Grady! Thanks so much for the shout-out, too!!
@JimE6243
@JimE6243 3 ай бұрын
Great stuff Grady! As a current 80 year old who grew up close to RR tracks and spend many hours walking them and watching them. I really like this series. It brings back many childhood memories. Trains fascinated me back in the late 40's and still do today. Thanks for your time and content. JimE
@mcpr5971
@mcpr5971 3 ай бұрын
Great video Grady. What amazes me is how reliable these circuits are. Yes I know, they can and do malfunction, but generally speaking, they are outside in harsh weather conditions and mostly just work 24/7 for decades as you said. Another reason they use current on the rails to detect trains (instead of a radio transmitter in the cab) is that sometimes railcars get disconnected and roll down the rails un-commanded. If they assumed that only locomotives can control the arms, this could lead to a runaway railcar buzzing through at high speed without any crossing arms at all!
@deadhamster7570
@deadhamster7570 3 ай бұрын
German (and many other European) rail networks use axle counters to determine the number of axles rolling in and then out of a section. They are more robust against contamination and don't pose the problem of having to isolate a section of rail. The downside is that they can have a counting error on the entry or exit, which leads to the signalling of an occupied section. Another very cool system is the European Train Control System (ETCS) which is currently in the roll-out across the different national rail networks. It allows for continuous supervision of the trains and has some features build in for autonomous operation. It also allows for high speed trains that drive faster than the driver could identify signals or even brake when a train in front has to brake. There is quite a lot more to consider when your trains go faster than 180 km/h (110 mph).
@matejlieskovsky9625
@matejlieskovsky9625 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, really looking forward to full ETCS roll-out here in Czechia. European railway tech is really awesome.
@matthewmaxwell-burton4549
@matthewmaxwell-burton4549 3 ай бұрын
The tgvs in France use the rails to transmit the block data directly to the cabin. And etcs does that too. But it's not all that great for the infra side. Each information point has to be doubled, and the devices used to check if it is working emit so much radiation that men are asked to get off the track when doing a reading. Moreover there's only one company that sells these devices and they sell it for 10K + you have to buy their tablet to connect to a wifi access point that points you to a web page. ETCS isn't compatible with last minit speed reductions used in track replacement worksites, as you have to send off the calculations to the manufacturer who takes X time to reply and bills each calculation 15K. The tech is good but the implementation is messy.
@ThePixel1983
@ThePixel1983 3 ай бұрын
​@@matthewmaxwell-burton4549We really need laws that make it so that systems are developed for the public hand, with open specifications.
@paulzagieboylo7315
@paulzagieboylo7315 3 ай бұрын
These axle counters also mean that trains in Switzerland are legally forbidden from having exactly 256 axles. Because the old axle counters use an 8-bit counter, and a train with exactly 256 axles would just ghost through invisibly!
@matejlieskovsky9625
@matejlieskovsky9625 3 ай бұрын
@@paulzagieboylo7315 that's hillarious! Is that really true? When are they going to phase out those old counters?
@illestBadMON
@illestBadMON 3 ай бұрын
as a signal maintainer in the NYC area, you did a great job at explaining crossings. it does get a little crazier with all the relay logic that's required for everything to work flawlessly. F.R.A testing that's required either monthly/quarterly/yearly (Test 27 a,b,c) all play an important role in keeping things safe.
@mattsbro92
@mattsbro92 3 ай бұрын
FRA Part 234 keeps us busy
@johnschultz9023
@johnschultz9023 2 ай бұрын
I prefer relay logic.
@LillianCrawfishDE
@LillianCrawfishDE 3 ай бұрын
When I was in college, I absolutely loved the process of learning. I felt like a sponge, just soaking everything up! I wanted to be a "perpetual student ", but it doesn't pay well. Now that I'm retired, I've found that I still have that craving for new knowledge. This channel does such a great job of "scratching that itch" for new knowledge in a way that is both interesting, entertaining, and presented in an easy-to-understand way, without feeling like I'm being talked down to. Thank you, Grady, for who you are and what you do!
@uzaiyaro
@uzaiyaro 3 ай бұрын
Here in Australia, traffic lights are often integrated into the railway crossings, so the traffic light controller is aware of the location and speed of trains and this dictates the stopping pattern. It’ll let traffic go only in certain ways for as long as the gates are down, and as soon as the gates are up, the lights change. It’s a pretty cool system.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
The same concepts happen here in the USA. The term is "traffic preemption" but that generally is only on the level of the traffic controller being told YES or NO there is a train coming. The railroad equipment has all the speed/timing information and simply passes the message on to the traffic signal control when it's time to.
@chrisharris7893
@chrisharris7893 3 ай бұрын
Yes it is amazing. I watch the signals around the Baltimore Light Rail coordinate with the train. The train travels down major city streets as well as grade crossings in the county. There are extra electronic signs to let drivers know what is going on. Seems to work well even between stations that are close together.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
@@chrisharris7893 FYI, those signs are called "blank-out signs"
@EngMadison
@EngMadison 3 ай бұрын
Yes, when a Railroad crossing is integrated into a signal, they go through a pre-emption process. This involves ending whatever phase is active and going to a track clear phase to flush out traffic over tracks. Then to a dwell phase which allows non conflicting movements to go. It can also cycle other non conflicting movements during a train. I'm currently working on a traffic signal that will allow pedestrians to cross the parallel major street during a non-conflicting train by using special ped phases only ever active during a Railroad preemption event. This is all somewhat similar to emergency vehicle pre-emptio, except trains hold a higher level of urgency and can get away with short changing phases more than say a fire truck.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
@@EngMadison ???
@tedfisk1211
@tedfisk1211 3 ай бұрын
This is very good information. I am a lifelong railfan and I enjoy watching trains. When the crossing lights come on, I turn my vehicle off and enjoy watching the train pass. The explanation of the track circuits is one that I did not fully know prior to this video. Very good, Grady.
@ViewlessSquid
@ViewlessSquid 3 ай бұрын
Signal Maintainer here. Excellent video. The coordination with crossings and traffic lights is called preemption. You really hit on a lot of information that didn’t dive real deep, but just enough that would allow people who want to geek out on this stuff, can. A lot of people don’t know this, but everything on the railroad is designed to fail safe. Putting things at its most restrictive state to protect train movement. Most of systems used on the railroad that are state of the art were designed in the 80s. The railroad its self doesn’t just install things that haven’t been tested because of how serious things can get if there are issues. Anyways, I’m going to watch more of your videos. Thanks!
@chrisharris7893
@chrisharris7893 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing out Distant Signal's channel. He has some of the best railfan vids out there. His knowledge and understanding seems to be above average.
@marco23p
@marco23p 3 ай бұрын
Nice video! One thing I'd like to mention, though: your railway relay is not actually a "track relay". Track relays operate much like an old-fashioned electricity meter. They have an aluminium disc ("vane") that can rotate. To energise the relay, you need a local phase (like the voltage coil in an electricity meter) and a track phase, like the current coil in an electricity meter. They need to be in phase in order for the relay to attract. That way, only a certain voltage (one with both the correct frequency and phase) can attract the relay. If it's just a little bit off, it won't work. This whole thing is done in order to make the track relay insensitive to stray voltages, that happen to flow in the rails. Especially in electrified territory, where there are large traction currents. Edit: I understand now that these relays are used as track relays in some areas with DC track circuits. My apologies! I still like the technology of the vane relays I described though.
@Pyth110
@Pyth110 3 ай бұрын
That's true for AC track circuits. DC track circuits use the same types of relay he used.
@dielangenase
@dielangenase 3 ай бұрын
It's a form of relay that is used for the railway in the UK. Not the exact relay code we use for direct track circuitry from rails to relay, but close to it. As long as that relay sees voltage and allows it to energise or de-energises, it was very good as a way of showing how DC track circuits work in my opinion.
@patrickvolk7031
@patrickvolk7031 3 ай бұрын
That is used in cab signaling as well. You have an interrupted signal (100Hz and 250Hz for old PRR) to give the next aspect. The faster, the faster (solid is an error). You don't need the vane relays on track circuits, just a frequency filter (it's a 1/0, where cab is like a percentage). The relay Grady had is what I know as a vital relay. It's used in track circuits, switch circuits, signal circuits, even for train control loops (onboard). Silver-impregnated carbon contacts (carbon doesn't spatter, silver for conductivity). The contacts are also designed to 'wipe', to prevent build-up of spatter. They all need to be calibrated every 4 years or so. There are often two coils to allow for redundancy (e.g. one control line fails, half the magnetic force is enough to close it). Track signals have to be distinct from cab signals, and you alternate frequencies which are not harmonics of each other, in the event you have a signal bleed over into the next circuit. You also have lots of timers. When you line a route through an interlocking, you have to keep it locked long enough for a train to go through it if it's close enough to the home signal to where it can't stop for a red (take the route away). Traffic uses stick relays (which look like an X, you reverse polarity to flip traffic).
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
In the US, relays that are a hundred years old can still be found in daily signal operation because they absolutely must not fail in an unsafe condition. If they fail, they must fail in a way that turns the track signal to the most restricting aspect that it can display. The cheapest and most reliable way to accomplish this is through relays that open with gravity.
@poohmaster54
@poohmaster54 3 ай бұрын
I am loving the railroad series! You should explore the 3 main types of railroads (Short line, Regional, and Class Is). You could also mention the evolution of locomotives from 500hp engines to the 6,000HP AC6000CW.
@GregoryFleury
@GregoryFleury 3 ай бұрын
In my country, Belgium, in 20 years, they removed 1/4 of the railroad crossing and added bridges or tunnels. It's nor always possible, but they did it a lot. It's quite impressive to see what they did in some cases, especially in places where roads are by the hill. Lots of digging and stabilisation took place.
@ChristiaanHW
@ChristiaanHW 3 ай бұрын
they did that in The Netherlands to, and are still doing that. if it's possible separating road and rail traffic they do that, it takes years because of the amount of crossings. but separating the two is the safer option, if you remove the point where the two kinds of traffic cross you eliminate the possibility of a collision, and road traffic doesn't have to stop so traffic flows better which in turn safes people time and companies money. it's a win for everyone. unfortunately some crossings are surrounded by buildings and/or other infrastructure so sometimes it's (almost) impossible to put in a tunnel/underpass (the prefer tunnels over bridges).
@HenryMidfields
@HenryMidfields 3 ай бұрын
@@ChristiaanHW They've had a lot of at-grade crossings in Melbourne until the past few years ago when much of the rail has been relocated to viaducts.
@SpudsMcCat
@SpudsMcCat 2 ай бұрын
depending on how often a train passes by and it's speed US communities replace at-grade crossings with bridges over or under. California is doing this for our "high speed" rail
@BW-eu6pc
@BW-eu6pc 3 ай бұрын
Very nice work. I’m an electrical engineer and have designed wayside RR equipment for a couple of dozen years. I rarely write in anyone comment section, but it’s so entertaining to watch such a well made video with obvious attention to accuracy. Thanks!
@Mesa_Mike
@Mesa_Mike 3 ай бұрын
I used to work for Safetran on the crossing controller and grade crossing predictor products. In general, the two approaches and the island are just one electrical circuit, not three, although there are more complex setups that might require more circuits, especially when there are multiple crossings with overlapping approaches. At the beginning of each approach, the tracks are shorted or, "shunted," usually with a filter that shorts the track only at specific AC frequency, This makes the track in each direction a big loop of wire (very thick wire!) that acts as an inductor to the electronics. An AC signal is transmitted onto the tracks via wires connected to the tracks on one side of the crossing, and wires leading to a receiver are connected to the tracks on the other side of the crossing. . When a train crosses the shunt going towards the crossing, the "loop of wire" gets shorter as the train approaches the crossing, causing phase and amplitude changes in the received signal. The electronics monitors the phase and amplitude of the received signal compared to the transmitted signal, and from this information can tell how close the train is to the crossing, how fast the train is going and whether it is approaching or leaving, or right on the crossing. The crossing warning equipment (lights, bells, gates) can be activated at an appropriate consistent time before the train arrives at the crossing, by predicting when the train will hit the crossing using the information of how far away it is and how fast it is going, The island is defined by the placement of the transmitter wires and the receiver wires on opposite sides of the crossing. When a train is on the island, there is no signal going to the receiver at all because the train provides a direct short of the transmitted signal between the transmitter and receiver. This is how the electronics knows there is a train on the island. After the train has passed the crossing, the "loop of wire" is now getting longer as the end of the train gets farther away. The electronics then knows it's safe to deactivate the crossing warning equipment. Also, if the train approaches a crossing and the warning equipment is activated, but then the train stops before getting to the crossing, the electronics can figure out that it is safe to deactivate the crossing warning equipment, so cars aren't waiting for a stopped train. Of course, it's been a while since I worked in the railroad equipment industry, so the technology of grade crossing predictors has probably changed a bit, but I imagine it's pretty much still the same as I described.
@sptraxide
@sptraxide 3 ай бұрын
Awesome description. You said it exactly how a signal maintainer explained it to me once. Thanks 👍
@patrickvolk7031
@patrickvolk7031 3 ай бұрын
As a former US&S/Ansaldo, Bombardier, Siemens signal/onboard engineer, well said!
@mattsbro92
@mattsbro92 3 ай бұрын
Yup this is modern day crossing prediction technology, what he's describing is what we call an "Easer-Weaser"
@jimz4929
@jimz4929 3 ай бұрын
I don’t think the model railroaders were cringing as much as you suggested. Arduino circuits are a very viable way to add this to ones model railroad. There are many others specifically built for model railroaders as well. Well done video!
@laumuseka
@laumuseka 3 ай бұрын
This train series is seriously so fascinating. I have always wondered how the signals were triggered, as soon as you started explaining it I was just blown away by the simplicity as well as reliability. Love it!
@Menoetia
@Menoetia 3 ай бұрын
0:47 I'll add to this: if YOU can see the TRAIN, it's too late for them to stop in order for them to avoid hitting you. My spouse is a former Union pacific engineer and has come home with too many stories of close calls because people were willing to risk their lives to save fifteen minutes waiting for his train to pass. Also important: some grade crossings do not have rails or lights to warn you of oncoming trains. If you come across one of these, stop and look both ways up the track for headlights (trains almost always run with their lights ON) and if you see headlights, don't cross. You don't know if that train is going 15mph or 50mph, f they're a mile away or a quarter mile, but the time to find out is not when you get stuck on the tracks.
@astramancer
@astramancer 3 ай бұрын
For non-powered low traffic grade crossings I like how england did it (and there's still some around). The bar is always down and you have to manually lift it by using a pneumatic pump(?). The pneumatic cylinder isn't perfectly sealed so it slowly loses pressure. It stays up long enough to get back in your car and drive through but not long enough that someone coming along later would have an open gate. It forces the driver to actually stop and listen for a train while giving them control over when to go. I imagine they're largely phased out because people with mobility issues can still drive.
@nathanielcleland6566
@nathanielcleland6566 3 ай бұрын
The most rustic I've ever encountered was on a bridleway in July. "Stop look listen beware of trains" and a manually operated gate. Also an instruction for horse riders to phone before crossing.
@HavasiP
@HavasiP 3 ай бұрын
Where I drive trains, on the faster routes, the speed is measured at a point and of it's above a certain threshold the crossing will engage early. There's also built warning systems that detect if a vehicle is on the tracks while the crossing is engaged, a warning signal is then sent to the train driver at a certain point when it's plenty of time to stop before.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
You drive trains? How big is the steering wheel?
@HavasiP
@HavasiP 3 ай бұрын
@@pootispiker2866 About the same as in a regular car.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
​@@HavasiPSporty.
@piotrkol91
@piotrkol91 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video, I love everything rail related :) Here in Poland older railroad lines still to this day use actual rail workers on railroad crossings. There is literally a person stationed in a little hut next to the road and he has a lever to put the gates down and turn the lights on when a train is approaching. Usually he gets the info via a special phone line from nearby stations. Slowly but surely those kinds of crossing are being replaced with automated signals though. Used to have that kind of crossing near my home 5 years ago before it got replaced. There were several workers working in shifts, and I got to know most of them.
@bareth_
@bareth_ 10 күн бұрын
Until watching this video, I really underestimated how advanced and complex railway crossings are. Awesome and very informative video!
@thezombiekillingcrew
@thezombiekillingcrew 3 ай бұрын
In the UK we use a combination of axle counter/track circuit and treadle units!
@4RILDIGITAL
@4RILDIGITAL 3 ай бұрын
Fascinating insights into the intricate engineering behind grade crossings. The balance between safety measures and trust from motorists is a critical aspect that I hadn't considered.
@1121494
@1121494 3 ай бұрын
There is in the video, however, a lack of accounting for the disregard for others, disregard for rules as well as plain utter idiocy of the average motorist.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
@@1121494 I don't think it needs said am any video that not respecting a train simply gets you killed
@BOZO1959
@BOZO1959 3 ай бұрын
You really did a good job of showing how a grade crossing works, I was an instructor and a assistant inspector of signals for a railroad in NY, retired now, all we have to do is instructor people not to cross tracks until the gates are up and at rest or not to race the gates but if they do get caught on the tracks that the gates are meant to break way with minimal damage due to shear pins holding the gates.
@justinleong2589
@justinleong2589 3 ай бұрын
Your videos are like bedtime stories for me. Your chill, relaxing voice tone, and music help me relax before going to bed.
@piquat1
@piquat1 3 ай бұрын
Interesting opening. Having worked on a railroad there is SO MUCH based on how far you can see down the tracks if you're NOT on the train and instead are working trackside.
@perrylim9728
@perrylim9728 3 ай бұрын
I heard that in the UK, full barrier crossings are down for quite a long time because of the signalling system to guarantee the train's safety
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
Level crossings are often protected by the wayside signaling system in Europe. This means the train cannot get a clear signal to proceed until the line is clear AND the level crossings are protected. When trains move faster, the distance out ahead of the train for level crossings to activate increases. This often leads to 5-10+ minute wait times at level crossings. But, if there's a problem at a level crossing, the train will ultimately be forced to stop.
@paulholmes672
@paulholmes672 3 ай бұрын
When stationed in East Anglia back in the late 70's, everything was station managed including manual gate crossings. I would be driving to or from work and if I saw across the fen, the station operator going towards the gate, I would go out of my way to stop so I could watch the flag gate process. With the commercialization of British Rail, that all went away (as well as reliable passenger rural train service!) Simpler times indeed.
@cooperised
@cooperised 3 ай бұрын
Not just the train's safety, but the safety of other crossing users too. The signalling system will stop a train if the crossing does not close correctly. This does require a fair bit of lead time with large heavy trains, but crossing accidents here are rare. Sometimes the delay is minimal too, like in the common case of having a level crossing at the end of a station - the train is stopped or slowing anyway, so the crossing can close quite late.
@perrylim9728
@perrylim9728 3 ай бұрын
@@cooperisedyeah. I am fortunate not to live in a country with level crossings. We put all of our trains either elevated or even better but most expensive, underground! For roads, we either elevate them or go underground.
@taliakuznetsova7092
@taliakuznetsova7092 3 ай бұрын
You actually made me realize I can when i'm able to set up my model trains again use this type of system for my crossings because you used the exact scale I used and type of track, if i have metal wheels. 3 rail O scale, also a great size to help us see.
@skatedoof
@skatedoof 3 ай бұрын
Great explanation of an "Easer wheezer" DC crossing. Constant warning (predictor) crossings can become extremely complicated when there are multiple routes to the crossing across many tracks. Then add to that the insulated joints necessary for control points. There can be several predictors running together to accurately determine the warning time.
@DeadlyPlatypus
@DeadlyPlatypus 3 ай бұрын
I grew up around "passive-only" crossings. You get used to being careful around them, but quite a few people get killed because if they get to the crossing AFTER train does at NIGHT, it can be easy to assume there isn't a train until your headlights shine on it and it's too late to stop.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
There has been a huge push in the last 20-40 years to get retroreflective visibility markers on the side of train cars to make them more visible on a crossing at night. Actually having street lights at crossings (on both sides) is also very important.
@Cyberguy42
@Cyberguy42 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for pointing this out, I hadn't considered the nighttime scenario of arriving to the crossing after the train.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
@@jovetjI've seen reflective strips on oil bombs before at a refinery I drive past. You can see them on the spur from miles away, they work great.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
@@ithecastic Vehicles driving into the side of trains the driver cannot see at night has been a big problem since trains were invented. And moving trains are generally pretty quiet. Not that you'd hear that "clickety clack" as you're hundreds of feet from the crossing anyway.
@Ink_25
@Ink_25 3 ай бұрын
​@@ithecasticThere barely is any clickety-clack anymore, most track is continually welded
@aramilalpha1
@aramilalpha1 3 ай бұрын
There is a large factory with a train yard a few hundred feet from the downtown in my city. Some locals get annoyed because the first grade crossing nearest the rail yard also happens to be one of the busiest four lane thoroughfares that crosses town. Unfortunately, the ire is at least justifiable in part because trains have been known to sit at this crossing for extended periods of time--30+ minutes is not nearly uncommon enough. Fortunately, due to the yard being so close, the trains usually block the crossings so it isn't easy or common for people to simply drive around the crossing arms. That being said, there are multiple crossings nearby and drivers have been known to simply drive a flew blocks down to a closed crossing in front of the train and drive around the arms. Also, perhaps due to their frequent use, about once every two or three months, one of the multiple crossings has some fault that causes the arms and bells to go on for hours and hours despite there being no train present. You'd think whoever is responsible for maintaining the rail crossing would have an interest in responding quickly, but they always seem to take their time. In either case, it seems like these are the best systems we have, but they sometimes strike me as deeply flawed. Like most such things, I'm sure its all about the economics and how much the railroads are willing to pay--at some point it's easier to pay off the families of a car full of dead people than it is to improve all grade crossings.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
*Public Service Announcement: NEVER EVER drive around a lowered railroad crossing gate arm. It's ALWAYS illegal.* Even if you _think_ you can get away with it, don't do it. Trains are subject to the laws of physics, just like everything else. A big reason trains may need to stop for a while is if they are doing switching (or shunting). This means adding or removing cars from the train. Train main brakes are pneumatic (air-pressure driven), and are designed to apply at regular atmospheric pressure. To turn the brake off, pressure must be applied. There is usually one big long pressure line that runs from the start of the train to the end. When cars are added or removed from the train, it can take time to re-pressurize that air line so the train can move. It sounds like the only solution to those issues is grade separation (e.g. putting the road under or over the tracks). This costs millions of dollars, but it isn't even always possible if available space is at a premium.
@frafraplanner9277
@frafraplanner9277 3 ай бұрын
Southeast Portland has this issue with dozens of level crossings being blocked by trains switching at Brooklyn Yard @@jovetj
@liam3284
@liam3284 3 ай бұрын
Drivers seriously need to get used to not being first priority.
@mlatpren
@mlatpren 3 ай бұрын
Regarding trust as a safety feature: my hometown is a good example of what happens when you lose that trust. In my hometown, trains'll frequently stop _at_ the crossing during when school gets out, with roughly the centre of the train sitting on the island. It's a small town split in half along this single crossing, so all anyone can really do is wait. This has led to kids simply climbing the train, especially teens who need to get to work. Some have to go under, because they're not fit enough to climb the ladders (harder than it looks!). Now, trains start slowly, but that doesn't stop them from being dangerous once they start moving. Injuries _have_ happened. And now you also have cars trying to rush through when the gates close, lest they have to sit there for up to 30 minutes.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
The middle of trains don't start slowly. They could be completely stationary and jerk to several miles an hour with no warning.
@YoACC
@YoACC 3 ай бұрын
As a signal maintainer in Canada I appreciate you actually got the basics of this correct. Most videos I've seen usually the info is so so. Good video for giving the basics on how the system works
@plunder1956
@plunder1956 3 ай бұрын
In Britain's more squashed in network, with a greater population density and more frequent small roads crossing lines. We always tend to have automatic half gates at crossing points. We have several like that within 6 -15 miles of me. Most are TWO or even FOUR track locations, commonly found close to a railway station, with a footbridge across the tracks (great for photography). One very close to me has two scheduled trains every hour, just after each other in opposite directions. Which is superb for people who want th photograph trains, but annoying if you're sitting at a crossing waiting for the second one to arrive. Another benefit, for steam train fans, is the preserved Mid Hampshire railway. You can walk in on most days and see them, or even ride on them on special days. You would probably enjoy it. We do have a lot of historic engineering in Britian, together with many museums and historic collections and the many canals.
@wraithcadmus
@wraithcadmus 3 ай бұрын
If we let Grady in the NRM we'd not see him for a couple of days.
@cubes123
@cubes123 3 ай бұрын
Road crossings usually also have dedicated telephones next to either side of the crossing that puts you straight through to the signalling people.
@modelsteamers671
@modelsteamers671 3 ай бұрын
Automatic barriers aren't allowed at 4 track locations.
@LeveLUP.
@LeveLUP. 3 ай бұрын
Sidenote: For the UK lots of Railroad (or Railway) Crossings are also controlled by a human signaller (usually the ones that have barriers on both sides) this increases the wait times because they have to be manually checked and then cleared for the train to cross. But also reduces the risk of someone getting stuck because there's usually a CCTV link directly to the signaller themselves. Automatic crossings do exist in the UK but are mostly being phased out because its a high risk area (according to Network rail - the UK's rail infrastructure goverment body) they're also doing some fancy stuff with Radar to figure out if a crossing is ocupied or not on some automatic level crossings.
@Ink_25
@Ink_25 3 ай бұрын
In Germany, we have experimented with radar "eggs" made by Honeywell placed next to level crossings. They were apparently not too reliable, so they're already being phased out again.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
I can just imagine how impractical that would be on a lot of shortlines in the US. It'd probably involve calling different houses in the area asking if they've seen a train. There's a LOT of dark territory in the US where trains run too infrequently for track signaling to make sense.
@kentslocum
@kentslocum 3 ай бұрын
I'm loving this train series! My city is in the process of installing full-length crossing guards to block both directions of travel.
@DomyTheMad420
@DomyTheMad420 3 ай бұрын
i actually already did a deep dive on our country's railroad crossings because i grew up near one that would close for 3-5 minutes for "no good reason". I tracked the issue down to the following hilarious problem after talking to a few local engineers and rail workers: they placed a set of sensors BEFORE the station that's within a stones throw. AS IN: a train would arrive in that station, and the crossing would close while people boarded & whatnot. and YES it has been explained by those same people that "we do this because cargo trains do not stop there". but i've also been told by those engineers they proposed cheap & effective fixes for the issue that'd prevent AMBULANCES getting stuck and save countless millions per year in lose earnings due to trafic jams. They were flat out ignored. :) Long live Belgium, the cuntry of "no no no we are modern. trust us. we are not a joke." edit: totally forgot to mention the fix that they're implementing after *40* years of citizens, employees or theirs & engineers complaining: The rail company is NOT doing the 5-15K technical fix on their sensors. the tax payer is going to pay for a few MILLION euro costing tunnel. > c u n t r y
@JJGeneral1
@JJGeneral1 3 ай бұрын
Amazing they just won’t install predictors that can tell train speed and determine when to lower gates. And will auto open when a train stops short of the crossing island.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
Multi-minute warning/wait times are not uncommon in Europe at all.
@KeaganZeile
@KeaganZeile 3 ай бұрын
I’ve really been enjoying this series. Great learning!
@corriegillett2536
@corriegillett2536 3 ай бұрын
Sig tech in Australia here, you nailed it Grady!! Thank you for being so precise.
@crquality2002
@crquality2002 3 ай бұрын
Very well done. As a railroad signalman who has watched several of your videos on other topics over the years, I found the terminology used and general understanding of the more complex systems to be perfect for the average person to understand without getting into the weeds of some of the caveats. Thank you for your efforts on this.
@kaynicholls9066
@kaynicholls9066 3 ай бұрын
Here in Australia, more specifically the state of Victoria. Over the last 5 years our state government have been dismantling railway crossings & building sky rail stations instead, especially in the urban areas. The main reason was to prevent road congestion during peak hours when at times the crossings would be closed up to 30 minutes at a time. Another factor too was to reduce accidents & our road toll. 😊😊
@EAFSQ9
@EAFSQ9 3 ай бұрын
only in suburban Melbourne not in regional victoria
@rex9412
@rex9412 3 ай бұрын
I live in WA and can't really say trains are something I can remember stopping for. I think it's mostly cause we have almost no trains. in Perth the only train I remember seeing in recent times which isn't saying much cause I don't go near any other train tracks much are the ones down south. they just go between each side of the freeway. I kinda wish we had more trains like to Exmouth a train would be super useful. a 12-16 hour trip from memory depending on what you're traveling in being 8 or less would make it not a multi day drive for most people.
@matthewwilson4723
@matthewwilson4723 3 ай бұрын
@@rex9412 Perth has seen significant growth of it's rail network over the past 15 - 20 years, with more occurring now. There is a preference for grade separation - thereby avoiding creating new level crossings and removing existing ones. The level crossing removal project on the Dramadale line springs to mind.
@dielaughing73
@dielaughing73 3 ай бұрын
​@@matthewwilson4723 indeed. That's "Armadale" for anyone not familiar with that area's reputation. Level (grade) crossing removal is a big part of the current city-wide MetroNet transit upgrades and has been happening on the Armadale and Midland Lines that I know of, possibly others. MetroNet also incorporates the new rail lines to the airport (completed), to Ellenbrook (underway) as well as the extension of the Armadale Line to Byford and the Joondalup Line to Yanchep. Unfortunately the various works to the Armadale Line will see it closed for the next 18 months.
@rex9412
@rex9412 3 ай бұрын
@@matthewwilson4723 ah ok. yeah can't say I go out much as I'm mostly stuck to being in bed nowadays with some car trips rarely for appointments. Not surprising I'm wrong. I also think I'm not very observant for construction stuff cause it will change so not useful as a landmark for navigating I guess. IDK exactly something I developed as a kid to not get lost but not any actual thought behind what I notice/remember what's around me lol.
@johnwiley8417
@johnwiley8417 3 ай бұрын
I watched on Nebula, but dropped in on KZbin to give a thumbs up and comment. I've been an Amateur Radio (Ham radio) operator for more than thirty years, a broadcast engineer for twenty years before retirement, and an electronics geek for more than fifty-five years. That's the slowest relay I've ever seen! It doesn't seem to have a retarding mechanism. Why is it so slow? Great content, Grady!
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
It's slow so errant rapid control changes don't affect it.
@SkyhawkSteve
@SkyhawkSteve 3 ай бұрын
good question... I wouldn't mind learning about the details of that relay too.
@Teqnyq
@Teqnyq 3 ай бұрын
A mechanical schmitt trigger
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
@@SkyhawkSteve What would you like to know? It's a very simple relay. Railroads have employed much more complicated relays than that one.
@johnwiley8417
@johnwiley8417 3 ай бұрын
@@jovetj I misphrased my question. What makes it so slow?
@Train2589
@Train2589 3 ай бұрын
My brother, friend and I were watching trains along the KCS when we noticed a crossing was staying down with no train. Called the number on the blue plate and they had someone there within 30 minutes fixing it. That phone number is monitored 24/7 and is also for emergencies so they can attempt to stop any approaching trains.
@jackprier7727
@jackprier7727 3 ай бұрын
Thanks again for the excellent demos, Grady--your Public counts on you for keeping this all fun-
@micahjohnson6799
@micahjohnson6799 3 ай бұрын
The only problem that arises with all this safety equipment is that RR crossings are the most expensive part of the track to maintain. It’s in the railroad company’s best interest to have as few crossings as possible to save money. The county where I live is currently in a battle with Canadian National, which is trying to close as many crossings as possible. This is troubling for the people that live on rural gravel roads, where a closed crossing can mean a detour several miles away.
@richardmillhousenixon
@richardmillhousenixon 3 ай бұрын
I mean if it's on a gravel road, does it really get enough traffic to justify an active crossing? Passive crossings are pretty much free for the railroads, and if the traffic. Is low enough then an active intersection isn't needed.
@micahjohnson6799
@micahjohnson6799 3 ай бұрын
Even passive crossings have some maintenance cost, as the railroad is fighting to close them as well. But gravel being the road surface doesn’t necessarily mean it’s rarely driven, plenty of gravel roads are frequently traveled, and justify the presence of an active crossing.
@robertwazniak9495
@robertwazniak9495 3 ай бұрын
Automated track maintenance works until you get to a crossing… no matter if it is a highway, gravel road, driveway or pedestrian path. The crossing has to be removed, lined thru and then replaced so there is a significant disruption to the work flow. Or, you compromise the line and adjust to the crossings. Railroads fight tooth and nail to remove crossings as every one is a maintenance headache (even overpass/underpass) and not every crossing is justified.
@1121494
@1121494 3 ай бұрын
@@micahjohnson6799 How about replacing them with call crossings? Those should suffice, wouldn't they? Dispatch should know where their trains are anyway.
@PhilTronics1
@PhilTronics1 3 ай бұрын
I thought most counties and other jurisdictions pay the railroads to maintain the signals.
@BBT609
@BBT609 3 ай бұрын
Great video Grady!!! Distant Signal is definitely one of the best railfan videos out!! Both of you guys put together great videos of railroad crossing devices!! 5 Stars!
@seiyaookami5190
@seiyaookami5190 3 ай бұрын
For me, I probably have less questions than most. I drove railroad crews around for a number of years and I asked questions. Most engineers had no issues answering questions. Unfortunately, I found out just how bad it is when someone ignores the arms. I got to take a crew home after a drunk lady got herself killed. The police told me that she had been pulled over for driving drunk 5 times and had lost her license after the second one. It shattered the emotions of the 23 year old conductor. I saw him crying for 3 hours as I drove him back to his home city. The 50 year old engineer was extremely depressed and look like he just wanted to give up. Please, never ignore those arms and never stop at a stop light such that there is any chance your car will be hit.
@ContinuedOak
@ContinuedOak 3 ай бұрын
I’ve come to appreciate people who are train enthusiasts, I understand, it’s an amazingly complex system and a massive feat of engineering
@MeriaDuck
@MeriaDuck 3 ай бұрын
Glad that in our very dense country with the most complex railroad network of the world, we do not have the honk-the-horn requirement for each crossing here in the Netherlands. That would be VERY annoying.
@RemcovanZuijlen
@RemcovanZuijlen 3 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Especially if you live near a railroad, which could be quite common in NL especially in the 'Randstad'.
@tangydiesel1886
@tangydiesel1886 3 ай бұрын
If you're in stop and go traffic, or at a crossing before a traffic light, it's best to stop at the crossing, then continue across when there's enough room for your vehicle to be safely stopped passed the crossing. I'm not sure for private drivers licenses, but commercial driver license holders, it's illegal to stop, or even shift gears on tracks/crossings.
@weirdmindofesh
@weirdmindofesh 3 ай бұрын
In my home town, there's a long street that paralells a rail line with a few intersections and somethings I noticed passing through that stretch regularly, when a train is present, all of the lights for the parallel road will change to green but turn arrows will be red and cross traffic can only turn right while a train is present. I also noticed that the light will react faster than the crossing arm. Each light has a high mounted white lamp that flashes when a train is approaching and flips to solid when the light changes over to this special state.
@PhilTronics1
@PhilTronics1 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video. You covered everything I was hoping for this video including the DC and AC circuits, crossing predictors, insulated rail joints, and the classic relay. You even mentoned the small detail of the different crossing bells. Awesome stuff :)
@jcpt928
@jcpt928 3 ай бұрын
This video was well-timed - especially with recent events; and, FAR more people need to watch this, than are going to. I can't count how many times I have run across someone who believed that trains were required to yield to motor vehicle traffic on tracks.
@Woad25
@Woad25 3 ай бұрын
I would love to hear their logic on that...
@Cyberguy42
@Cyberguy42 3 ай бұрын
They sound like Darwin Award candidates
@PhotonBeast
@PhotonBeast 3 ай бұрын
I... don't even know where I would start on how to explain the error in logic in 'cars have right of way to trains'. @_@
@guesslink
@guesslink 3 ай бұрын
In Russia, if you stand in traffic at a crossing, the police will take away your driver's license, and it doesn't matter that there is no train and the train warning light is not on.
@suamme1
@suamme1 4 күн бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned Danny's channel, Distant Signal. Even though I was a passive train fan my whole life, his videos introduced me to railfanning as a hobby and things drastically changed from there. Thanks to you both!
@2112user
@2112user 3 ай бұрын
Great video, as someone who used to build the work trucks the rail road uses to fix/build and mantain the rail, even I didn't know all of this. On the trucks we built, we installed "rail grear" that would alow a regular truck (small F150s to 12 wheen freightliners) to drive on the rail... then wire the trucks up to bypass the crossing signals with the flip of a switch. So the guys could work close to a crossing without setting off the crossing signals.
@johannesmaximilian268
@johannesmaximilian268 3 ай бұрын
I don't know what type of bright future you're trying to predict, but at least in rural Germany, things are quite different. When I worked as a signaller in railway service with Deutsche Bahn, the next signaltower's signaller would use a hand-cranked analogue telephone to ring our signaltower and ask for permission to send a train. Then we issued this permission by hand-cranking our signal box inside our signal tower, activate the track on the signalbox and pull on a lever to activate the proceed signal. The level crossing barriers were not interlocked, and we cranked them down by hand. Some signal towers already had electric motors, but in any case, they could also resort to cranking down the barriers. And this was 2016. I doubt that by 2024 Deutsche Bahn will have made use of the witchcraft you're demonstrating here.
@marco23p
@marco23p 3 ай бұрын
Germany is so funny with this. They have both the most modern systems in use, like LZB since the 70's, but at the same time, they also have hand-cranked signals with a person in a local tower like you describe. Even in the current day.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
There are still plenty of non-automatic level crossings, and lots of (what is essentially) Absolute-Block Signaling across Europe (and Asia). These systems have worked reliably for many decades.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
@@jovetj We have ABS in a lot of places in the US but CTC is often much preferred since it prevents train movements without clearence. Everyone and their mother finds out when that happens. Using blocks to control signals in the US would never work because they can reach several miles long.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
@@pootispiker2866 _“Using blocks to control signals in the US would never work because they can reach several miles long.”_ Where did I recommend that??
@johannesmaximilian268
@johannesmaximilian268 3 ай бұрын
According to a legend, the rotary dial telephone will eventually replace hand-crank units in German signaltowers in 2050.
@TheTrainMaster15
@TheTrainMaster15 3 ай бұрын
Devastated to hear they don’t operate on magic
@1911wood
@1911wood 3 ай бұрын
I’m a school bus driver. A fella came to speak to us about crossing safety. On the topic of evacuation of the bus because of a possible impending collision/derailment, we should direct the student in the general direction the train is coming from but at an angle so that every step move us away from the track. So if the train is expected from the north the we should move to the NE or NW. The idea is that collisions frequently result in the train derailing. At that point the cars and cargo can be thrown far from the track. The derailment is mostly down stream from the point of the collision (that isn’t always true) so don’t move in the direction of where the cars will be derailing. So move upstream and away from the track.
@worawatli8952
@worawatli8952 3 ай бұрын
5:40 In my country, there is also "check light", connected to another side of the relay, if no train is coming, this light come on, indicating that the crossing gate is working normally. If one would to come to this gate crossing and seeing check light is not on, it meant the system has no power, I would need to stop and look instead of just continue on like when it is working. Power outage is more of a concern than false positive, so check light is very common.
@baksatibi
@baksatibi 3 ай бұрын
Depending on the signalling system the train driver will also get a warning if the crossing gate has failed and they must slow down and use the horn to warn drivers approaching the crossing.
@worawatli8952
@worawatli8952 3 ай бұрын
@@baksatibi I live in Thailand, we don't have that system. lol It's only on the gate side. Most of crossing on rural highways have those "stop if check light is off", it is very useful. But on a more urban area or in town, power outage isn't a problem, so you won't see one.
@pootispiker2866
@pootispiker2866 3 ай бұрын
We have that in the US as well. It's often called a power-out light since you'll usually notice it when it's flashing meaning to line power. The crossing *usually* keeps working as intended, too. It's on steady the rest of the time which means the power is on.
@kaseyklynstra2210
@kaseyklynstra2210 3 ай бұрын
Railroad signal design engineer (and railfan!) here: you did a pretty good job of getting the gist of everything. Railroad signaling is, as a whole (and by our own admission), a dark art with little available reference to the lay outsider. I've toyed around with the idea of making my own deep dives for everyone's benefit, but I'm also keenly aware it's not exactly a "hot" topic 😅. Couple notes: 5:05 - I suspect your power supply either is too low of voltage or too low of provided current, as this particular relay (Alstom/US&S A62-357) should "pick up" in a snap, not gently as shown. Hearing several layers of logic (at complex locations) sort themselves out in relays states is quite the experience. 7:42 - Relatedly, this model should be a "slow drop/release" relay, maintaining contact for a brief moment once coil power is removed -- that part seems to functioning properly. That said, track relays (when not using a microprocessor) are usually of the "slow pick" variety, so they don't recover the track circuit under a train with bad shunting, but will react immediately to a train's presence. With a microprocessor, we can implement any duration of Loss Of Shunt (LOS) delays, so we'll use standard relays for input. 7:22 - Fun fact: the flashing lights are controlled by gate position (gates being not up). If the gates lose their control signal and drop due to a cable break, etc., the lights should always come on as well. A dark crossing is worst-case scenario. 13:20 - Having been doing this for 8.5 years now, your explanation of crossing predictors is about as deep as I understand them to work too; it's a dark art on top of a dark art. Something about phase and resistance and inductance, but it's all consolidated into one device, so we really only concern ourselves with electrical connections, program selections, and track-circuit-length-to-frequency-selection dynamics. 13:30 - GCPs/HXPs (Grade Crossing Predictor/Highway Xing Predictor) do operate at "audio" frequencies, but unless something is very wrong, you'll never hear them. 13:40 - This will probably be covered more in a coming video, but we routinely overlay AC crossing frequencies with DC pulse coded track circuits (used with wayside signals) because each system can isolate the other signal type out. We actually have to filter the pulse coded circuits (begin my assumptions) to smooth out the high frequency harmonics of a square wave from interfering with crossing frequencies. 14:38 - Even if the police are already there and they say they've called in a blocked crossing to their dispatch, STILL CALL THE NUMBER and report it. The Amtrak crash in Michigan a few months ago was caused by a police miscommunication regarding which crossing was blocked and so their dispatch didn't contact Amtrak at all (they called CSX about a crossing miles away).
@nickdibart
@nickdibart 3 ай бұрын
The railroad crossings in my area are not as sophisticated as the ones you describe. The one I deal with most regularly will go down before the train gets to the train station that's a block before the crossing, so we have to wait for loading/unloading of passengers, then for the train to accelerate and travel another block before finally passing by.
@tux_the_astronaut
@tux_the_astronaut 3 ай бұрын
Were i live this also happens when the train pulls into the station it triggers the gates but after like 30 seconds the predictor sees the train has stopped and they go back up
@MuricanPatriot
@MuricanPatriot 3 ай бұрын
As someone who worked in signal engineering for a major class 1. I can say you nailed this! Great video!
@ianhayes5140
@ianhayes5140 29 күн бұрын
Wow, you have really nailed this well. I'm a signalling engineer (we design/verify/validate grade crossings as they're considered part of the signalling system) and I don't think I could have explained it better than you have. One item though, track circuits detect the 'absence' of a train (because of exactly what you stated that there could be a train or there could be a failure so when it's energised that means no train) and axle counters (train detection devices that count axles and are widely used everywhere except USA it seems) detect the 'presence' of a train.
@goatsplitter
@goatsplitter 3 ай бұрын
I will fully admit, that I could not possibly care less about trains. But I am always fascinated by your topics and discussions on the engineering aspects of train stuff. I've watched so many train related engineering videos of yours and they're all fascinating. Not because its train content, but because of how you present the information. You make the topic fun and informative. Thank you!
@christopherwaller2798
@christopherwaller2798 3 ай бұрын
In the UK, new level crossings are heavily discouraged, and they are slowly being replaced by bridges - usually with a focus on higher speed main lines [up to 125 mph] or lines that are very busy - there are a small number of level crossings on 4 track railways, there is even one with 6 tracks on the East Coast Main Line at Helpston, and even level crossings with 2 tracks can see as many as 16 trains per hour at Hampden Park in Eastbourne. A lot of minor crossings may be closed entirely if there is a reasonable detour available - especially for minor side streets in urban areas. It's not uncommon to see a footbridge where a road once ran. Also the natural topography means that if there is a railway cutting or embankment, bridges would be included from the beginning. Road crossings typically use full barriers, although some (typically rural) use half barriers and there are a very small number of open crossings with only lights and bells. We tend to avoid situations where a road and railway closely parallel each other to the point it causes issues with long vehicles waiting at a junction backing up across a crossing - but you will still see junctions near level crossings! This is in addition to footpath crossings [which are typically unsignalled and where pedestrians must stop and look], and gated crossings [which are usually private and may have only red and green lights, with instructions to open both gates, check the lights again, cross in the vehicle, check the lights again, then close the gates] The London Underground does not have any public level crossings [only those within depots] - this is because the service frequency would usually be very disruptive to traffic.
@jovetj
@jovetj 3 ай бұрын
These points apply in the US (and Canada) as well. The number of level crossings slowly shrinks as crossings deemed unnecessary are closed, and new ones are not common. Where possible and feasible, bridges or underpasses are built. Footpath crossings are not as common in the USA, and they tend to be grade separated.
@briannagoesbananas
@briannagoesbananas 3 ай бұрын
I watched this video to learn more about level crossings for my train-obsessed 3 year old, so hearing that you have one too warmed my heart. And I learned so much!
@danlowe8684
@danlowe8684 3 ай бұрын
I worked on an Operation Lifesaver project back in the early 90s that performed RR x-ing upgrades at 300+ intersections. A couple more things: There is an advanced advisory sign that is round, yellow/black with RR X imprinted. There also is double yellow lines making it a no passing zone. And, at unsignalized crossings, a white reflective strip is attached facing approaching traffic from the opposite side of the tracks to give a 'strobe' effect when headlights it at night visible only in the gaps between the crossing train. Many crossing accidents are in rural areas at night without flashers wherein the vehicle slams into the side of a passing train.
@Kuvo18
@Kuvo18 3 ай бұрын
Yes, trains
@vivi_t3ch
@vivi_t3ch 3 ай бұрын
As a model railroader (and lifetime Nebula subscriber), I'm not shaking my head. I'm actually thrilled you're using one to help show how things work better. Even if you did end up using a 3 rail Lionel system, it certainly helps show things in action. As far as using an Arduino, those things can be absolutely awesome to use! I thought I'd add for anyone that wants a deeper dive into this, another channel that I follow has a lot of detail since he's a pro in the industry. Here's the link to anyone interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/aH2ZqJptnN2SsNEsi=bhESh0vI9HsGbxws
@BrooksMoses
@BrooksMoses 3 ай бұрын
And he had to use a 3-rail Lionel system, because the circuit relies on the car shorting the outer rails together. On a 2-rail system, all the train wheels have to be insulated from side to side!
@WackoMcGoose
@WackoMcGoose 3 ай бұрын
Can confirm the annoyance of "what train???" situations. Last month, I was stuck at a crossing for 15 minutes... because a BNSF truck (the kind with the drop-down wheels so it can drive on the tracks) was doing maintenance on the signal box, but in the process it was keeping the circuit triggered and the gates dropped, despite being fully out of the way of the road. ...although thinking about it, it might have been the maintenance itself keeping the crossing closed in the fail-safe state, rather than specifically the truck wheels closing the sensing circuit.
@Hexagonaldonut
@Hexagonaldonut 3 ай бұрын
I've seen an intersection + crossing combo where the oncoming light on the side of the crossing was doubled-up, so a light at the intersection proper and also at the crossing in addition to the crossing systems already there. Presumably it was intended as another layer to help avoid people stopping on the tracks.
@ambroiseimbert
@ambroiseimbert 3 ай бұрын
When will you do a video on railway signals ?
@Tresla
@Tresla 3 ай бұрын
My world simply wouldn't be the same without this channel. Thank you for consistently making incredible, educational content! 🥰
@steventhomas2500
@steventhomas2500 3 ай бұрын
Loved the video, filled with accurate and useful information. Thank you for including the bit about the ENS sign.
@asd1o1
@asd1o1 3 ай бұрын
Wow, didn't expect a Jet Lag ad! Super cool!
@goshisanniichi
@goshisanniichi 3 ай бұрын
One of the main reasons the Shinkansen is so safe is that there are no at-grade crossings on any of its track. It is all either elevated track or under ground.
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 3 ай бұрын
Primitive but quite effective for trains going at near walking speed!! 😅. Here in Europe our long distance trains operate at 320 km/h - the track is always dedicated - roads take bridges or tunnels. Stopping distance is several kilometres so signals are relayed into the driver’s cab, and automated devices ensure they are noted and acted on.
@shirralia
@shirralia 3 ай бұрын
We do have at-grade crossings in Europe too. But they are few and far between these days. I'm nearly 30 and I remember a significant number of at grade crossings here in Denmark being converted to road tunnels during the last 15 or so years. My hometown had two at-grade crossings in it on a fairly busy regional train route. Two to four trains an hour depending on the time of day, each of them closing the two crossings for 2-3 minutes each. The town was essentially entirely cut in half for road traffic during that time. The only way to get to the other side of town was the pedestrian bridge at the train station itself. So not only was it a safety issue, it was also a near daily disruption for us locals just trying to go about their day. They were both converted to tunnels about 10 years ago. You only really see at-grade crossings on super rural roads these days, and they still have all the safety features that a busy one would.
@marco23p
@marco23p 3 ай бұрын
Here in Europe, most of the railway network is still not high-speed ;) Maybe it's only in France and Spain where true high speed networks exist. In other countries, it's just a single high speed line here and there.
@tux_the_astronaut
@tux_the_astronaut 3 ай бұрын
This system still works for fast trains too these same systems are used on all the crossings near were i live and handle trains from 80 mph to walking speed giving them all the same amount of warning time before they approach the crossing and also handle things like when the train stops at a station just before a crossing
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 3 ай бұрын
@@tux_the_astronaut Sorry, 80 mph is not high speed = 130 km/h. 330 km/h is 205 mph!!
@tux_the_astronaut
@tux_the_astronaut 3 ай бұрын
@@Richardincancale ya ik trains here aren’t technically high speed i just ment high speed in terms of just going relatively fast. And that how the crossing system can be designed for faster speeds in mine with them usually being programmed for the track speed which around were i live is 80mph
@Beryllahawk
@Beryllahawk 3 ай бұрын
This was great! The city I live in has a TON of train traffic, lots of tracks, and downtown is criss-crossed with these signs and little cabins and so forth. We hear freight trains every single night, too, the sound carries for miles of course. It's really cool to know just what's going on when we're sitting and waiting for the train to finish crossing!
@johngriswold
@johngriswold 3 ай бұрын
“Coding skills of a civil engineer”. LOL. Better than the civil engineering skills of a programmer…
@DaraelDraconis
@DaraelDraconis Ай бұрын
There's an old saying: the only thing more dangerous than a hardware engineer with a compiler is a software engineer with a toolbox.
@ZeeengMicro
@ZeeengMicro 3 ай бұрын
The most anxiety inducing situation is when you are trapped in the middle of a train crossing during traffic and you hear the bell start ringing Edit: By traffic I mean traffic congestion, not red light traffic
@ronvosick8253
@ronvosick8253 3 ай бұрын
Just like the " fox River" Grove school bus accident.
@dielaughing73
@dielaughing73 3 ай бұрын
If that's something that ever happens in your life, if suggest you start following the road rules. They're there for your safety believe it or not
@Mesa_Mike
@Mesa_Mike 3 ай бұрын
"Do not stop on the tracks."
@CyrusDemar
@CyrusDemar 3 ай бұрын
Funny but true story. Just today I was driving with my 7 year old daughter, and driving past a railroad crossing she asked. "Dad? How do those work? How do they know trains are coming?" At the time I hadn't seen the video, but I am for sure going to watch it with my daughter this weekend. Thanks for the allways good work!
@justnerdlife
@justnerdlife 3 ай бұрын
Sir, I genuinely appreciate your content. Thank you for taking the time to do this!
@pesachnestlebaum
@pesachnestlebaum 3 ай бұрын
Railroad crossings are one of those things that if they didn't exist, it would be psychotic to suggest it. Like yes, lets have a 1 mile long, 3 trillion ton machine move directly through a busy city.
@misteral9045
@misteral9045 3 ай бұрын
That's psychotic?
@matthewwilliams5253
@matthewwilliams5253 3 ай бұрын
3 trillion tonne?
@indus7841
@indus7841 3 ай бұрын
what youre describing is the highway :)
@CodyL95
@CodyL95 3 ай бұрын
​@@matthewwilliams5253 Yeah, didn't you know? Trains collapse into black holes all the time.
@Her_Imperious_Condesension
@Her_Imperious_Condesension 3 ай бұрын
You're right, something _that_ dense would be psychotic.
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