How SEGA & Nintendo Created Their Own Worst Enemy

Today I wanted to talk about Nintendo and SEGA's deals with Sony.
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[@yggdrasilsaltar]

honestly, this was a blessing in disguise since it allowed more companies to give games a shot (xbox was literally an example of this) and overall allowed more variety in the gaming market because hey, all competition is good competition after all.

[@kirotalksyt]

Yeah I definitely agree!

[@oscarperez9783]

we also lost Sega as a console manufacturer which had arguably the best first party games of all time

[@TheZoidexExperience]

You mean playstation is the prime example of that, Microsoft was going to get into games regardless of Nintendo backstabbing sony

[@NiffirgkcaJ]

@@TheZoidexExperience Microsoft only entered the console market, because of Sony's tremendous success with the PlayStation. Microsoft feared that Sony's machine would outcompete Microsoft's primary product at the time, which was the Windows operating system.

[@roahnosh]

Honestly Sony should utilize the billion they get from the game called FGO to help fund more games.

[@MrCalvin7892]

I find it funny how it was Nintendo who slighted and angered Sony, yet it would be Sega who would ultimately be the victim of direct competition with the Playstation

[@alex_b_9850]

I mean when they went to Sega with the same proposal afterwards Sega of Japan laughed them off and told Sega of America that “Sony can’t make good hardware”

[@dundee6402]

Nintendo is lucky to have strong franchises like Mario and Zelda which were still popular and critically acclaimed, and not to mention Pokemon which came out at the perfect time when Sony was starting to strongly outshine Nintendo's popularity. All of Sega's APIs flocked to Sony, leaving only Sonic which was releasing some really dodgy games by then.

[@alex_b_9850]

@@dundee6402 Yes, definitely. Sega suffered more because they used to be the default Not-Nintendo and now they weren’t. The Saturn got almost zero third-party support thanks to the PS1, and unlike the N64, it didn’t even have any good first or second-party (Rare) games to save it.

[@Gamevet]

@@alex_b_9850 That's not entirely true. Sega had good 3rd party support from Capcom, EA, Eidos (Tomb Raider started development on Saturn) Midway, Taito and Psygnosis. When Final Fantasy VII came out for the PS, the PlayStation's sales hit the roof. That's when 3rd party support died off for the Saturn.

[@stewboy69]

And that is the beginning of how SEGA and Nintendo joined forces.

[@ajgrier8189]

and ps and sega

[@ataladin87]

@@ajgrier8189 Mario and Sonic.

[@ajgrier8189]

@@ataladin87 oh ok thanks 👍

[@M64bros]

@@ataladin87 indeed

[@mountaindew3201]

Nintendo made Sega their bitch. Or more like they’re banging their worst enemy’s spouse

[@amusicdude5564]

So what we got at the end: -Sony's Playstation and really memorable games. -Nintendo and really memorable memes and YTPs about games for the Philips CDI based about their IPs.

[@birdboy16]

I see this as a win-win

[@bingobo2551]

We also got “great games with free updates” at nintendo along with threats of legal action of selling joycon reskins to honor a dead person.

[@epicsheep9004]

Also really memorable games! Whether you loved it or not

[@ChaseyBOIDude]

Link and the six evil faces is where all the memes come from

[@megamix5403]

"You either had Zelda or Alex Kidd or whatever." Giligus Thunderhead: "Thy art a joke to thou?"

[@KeyleeTamirian]

Landstalker: Am i a joke to you? Beyond Oasis: Am i a joke to you?

[@TheRealNintendoKid]

Me: I don't even know who you are

[@GreyWolfLeaderTW]

Should Read: Giligus Thunderhead: "Art I a jest to thee?" (Source: Me being very familiar with Old English through Shakespeare, the King James Bible, and Anglish (the hobby project of many English linguists to retroactively construct what the modern English language would look like without Norman French Infleuence through the Norman Conquest).

[@peeackz4047]

in an alternate world : Sony and Nintendo stay together, creating the wildly successful Nintendo Play-Station Console. Being the new generation, the console sells like hotcakes. With less alternatives than what there should have been, the Sega Saturn does better than it did in our timeline, however is a far second to the Nintendo Play-Station. With the success of the Play-Station, the pair continues their partnership with complete domination of the market in mind. In the lifetime of the Play-Station, Sony would push for more adult games for the Play-Station, however would have push back by Nintendo. On one hand, there was a whole demographic to appeal to : Teenagers, and adults. On the other hand, they could face yet another panic over the maturity of video games. They come to a compromise, with the Play-Station having some leeway for more violence, but nothing overtly risque was allowed. This had two effects. While yes, they had drawn in more people, parents and guardians would have a line blurred between the two companies. There was no exact "Clean, Friendly" console, and a more "Gritty, Mature" console. Now, it was just Sega and Nintendo-Sony. This aids Sega for the younger demographic, although them losing appeal to the ones which they formerly catered to was troubling. Nonetheless, Sega pushed through to the sixth generation. They released the Sega Dreamcast, and at first, it was a success. There was nothing else to pit against it for some time, allowing it to do well momentarily. This was until the duo came to turn the state of the Dreamcast into a nightmare. All the Intellectual Properties developed by both Nintendo, and Sony (Of course, beginning to differ from that of our timelines) blew any chance of Sega winning that generation up. The Nintendo-Sony Play-Station 2 had everything. The games market was dominated, and it had all the capabilities of various other media players. Music, Movies, it even had a niche as a personal computer for some. But, as with the fifth generation, the lack of any true competition would be their saving grace. The Sega Dreamcast, compared to this timeline, was far more successful, but also compared to this timeline was crushed far more. The Dreamcast miraculously just barely edged out as a profit rather than a loss. Microsoft took interest in the growing games market. It was no longer just a toy, but an experience. All sorts of experiences for all ages, and Microsoft saw value in what was compared to now, untapped. Microsoft in the sixth generation did not release any console, they feared they would be a company who birthed a forgotten joke of a console. Thrown in with the ranks of the Apple-Bandai Pippin, the TurboGrafx, the 3DO. Observing Sega's trend of survival, although nothing compared to the games behemoth that was Nintendo-Sony, they felt confident that they would make some sort of gain, even the smallest, by partnering with Sega. On it's last legs, Sega Of America would accept the offer proposed to them by Microsoft. Sega Of America found it to be the last hope for Sega. This was one of the United States largest technology companies, ones who specialized in computers, coming to Sega for help. In any other scenario, Sega Of Japan would refuse this, but swallowing their pride, they would heed the word of S.O.A. Joining forces, Sega-Microsoft would begin development on a new console- the Sega Apollo. This console would, as the name suggests, be a giant leap for the company. Though there was minor online aspects to the sixth generation, the Apollo. The Seventh Generation would see the dawn of the online age, and a step-up for graphics. 1/? Side Notes : If anyone actually sees this, or cares for it, and even likes it, tell me and maybe I'll keep it going. I've had ideas about arcades and the handheld race.

[@AgentPaperx2]

Yes please!

[@MLBlue30]

I liked it. 👍

[@belleispopcorn3052]

Yas

[@towasolspeiggo5586]

nice! continue pls

[@FedoraKirb]

Commenting to hopefully see this alternate history continue

[@rubixyt6270]

some say that SEGA didnt want the joint console is because they already had a solution for the discs in the Saturn

[@Sly88Frye]

Thank you! Finally somebody has mentioned that it wasn't all because of Nintendo that Sony started the PlayStation. In fact thanks to an article I read on IGN way back in like 2010 I think, maybe earlier I had already known that Sony did approach Sega to work together on a console and it didn't pan out. Also according to the article Sega apparently was also approached by Microsoft and Microsoft was rejected and ultimately made the Xbox although nobody talks about that so I don't know if the one with Microsoft is true.

[@roux6715]

Microsoft were talking with sega at that time, and they weren’t completely rejected, they managed to get the sega dreamcast running on windows, and they were asking sega for tips about entering the gaming market. You can see this communication they had to this very day because the AB XY configuration on the Xbox is the same as the sega dreamcast buttons

[@AlexBowesVideos]

Oh boy do I love stories of Microsoft negotiating with their competitors in the gaming market. Particularly when Microsoft offered to buy Nintendo in 2000 and then Nintendo laughed their asses off in response!

[@davidhitchcock6599]

@@AlexBowesVideos But then Microsoft bought Rare, so I think Microsoft had the last laugh in the end. 😉

[@antusFireNova]

I heard about the Sega/Microsoft ordeal in SaberSpark's vid

[@josephfrye7342]

you know i think it's sony's quality which it is kinda shit but there are some decent ones out there and some stinkers out there too which the brand is trying to be a cash cow though. when it comes to recordable cassettes or cd etc and prerecorded cassettes and cd and vinyl lp and stereo system etc in general.

[@mckenna2455]

I love this channel! Subscribed since your first few vids. They’re so relaxing and fun to watch! Keep up the amazing work, kiro! 🙂

[@lonelxcid]

Same

[@fakebeluga002]

Yeah. Honestly Kiro making great videos that made me relaxed and enjoyed to watch them. I appreciate for Kiro

[@rysbii]

Yeah his videos are great he deserves more subs tbh

[@JustJulyo]

Remember adults, never cheat unless you want to create long lasting competition

[@mohammedganai9636]

More like, play the victim to earn sympathy points.

[@JustJulyo]

@@mohammedganai9636 bingo

[@MuffinMous]

add this on to the ever growing list of horrible decisions made by sega of japan.

[@briceonyoutube7215]

SEGA is still alive and still kicking with great franchises like total war, compagny of heroes, yakuza, Two point, etc.

[@weathermansam2]

Ummm…..Sonic?

[@naph8362]

@@weathermansam2 it's ok my son. Soon we shall rise again.

[@cjeelde]

Sega also got Shin Megami Tensei!

[@CorporalTailsDude]

@@cjeelde Persona as its spin-off too

[@Fonz128]

SEGA ain’t got shit. No games.

[@captainseg]

Despite the N64 having great multiplayer games and other iconic games such as Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time, the Playstation CRUSHED the competition.

[@matthewlasalvia7026]

Imagine if an alternate scenario where Sony and Nintendo went through with their deal and somewhere down the line, they get Sega involved too. Now imagine Nintendo and Sega being bought by Sony, thus ending Nintendo and Sega’s bitter rivalry for good and Sony goes on to hold a monopoly on the console gaming market. Then imagine somewhere down the line, Microsoft decides to fight back against Sony’s monopoly by introducing the Xbox. I don’t think anyone would come out of this scenario unscathed.

[@BurnedNoodle]

the reason why SEGA of Japan declined the partnership, was because they thought Sony didn't have any experience with games, they couldn't make any good.

[@Starlightnova111]

"That's NO good!" -Sega of Japan

[@randomcommentog]

Ahah one of my favorite stories I remember hearing this back then and I was like wow I can’t believe they made there own worst enemy and then Sega JP rejected Sony is just an icing on the cake

[@mariomario9209]

Lol i also love how sony said 299 basically destroying sega as well

[@filipmartinez1162]

@@mariomario9209 talk about going for the jugular

[@evansilcox9025]

Hi I've been watching since you were at 10k and this is probably my new favorite youtube channel. So keep up the good work! Also could you make a video about the rise and fall of sega?

[@monique6490]

The Underdog who took over the scene within a generation. With the release of the PlayStation 2 it was a cat walk.

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

If Nintendo and Sony stayed together it would be very very bad for the gaming industry.

[@gregtom3272]

there are some rumours suggest that nintendo rejected their partnership with Sony for reasons , one of them is that , president of nintendo of japan met with some one of those who work at Sony's probably some one who is a very highly regarded person at the company , and as they talk , that guy was bold enough to claim many things that nintendo did not like including that Sony will take control of developing nintendo franchises like mario , zelda , and metroid and many more , which give nintendo a bit of a knowledge over Sony's personality , which has to do with Sony having a massive ego of thinking they own every thing of what ever they are working at , like working on game hard ware or what ever that could be related to any deal they make like nintendo franchises that could have games released on that add on that nintendo rejected from Sony, as for sega , it could be also for similar reasons , but possibly also that Sony was taking advantage of then to know secrets of what ever hard ware they were producing , what ever is arcades or game console , but these are just some informations that i heard about , you might need to do research to know about it better

[@G.L.999]

That's because Sony designed said contract between them to be rejected. Creating what I like to call the 'Habsburg Ultimatum' Effect!

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

They got that ego after their "success" with the PSX. They got an even bigger ego with the success of the ps2 - never realizing they sold so well due to poor or lack of competition. And then they almost went out of the business due to the ps3...

[@Yixdy]

@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 lmao @ Sony going out of business

[@tr3vk4m]

@@Yixdy I would

[@aidenhedyt4773]

Nintendo did Sony dirty lol

[@aidenhedyt4773]

@Elliott Massaquoi oh yeah I guess I forgot to talk about them too

[@G.L.999]

Actually, Sony did themselves dirty since Sony designed the contract between them to be rejected! Creating 'Habsburg Ultimatum' Effect!

[@jaheltelevisionstudios]

Sony & Nintendo in 1990: Let's Make a CD Add on for the SNES Nintendo in 1991: I'm going with Philips now. Have fun making your OWN Console. Try stopping me then. Philips: Let's make a CD-i. Nintendo: Sure 2 years later Philips: Still making these Mario and Zelda games? Nintendo: Yes. They'll be on sale when it's finished. Sony in 1994: PlayStation! Rise from the sky to the stores!!! SEGA 1994: Sega Saturn! rise to the stores my man. Nintendo in 1996: Nintendo 64 Sha'll rise! Sometime later in the mid 90s: SEGA And SONY partnered up Again: *forgotten*

[@Soda_Capp]

This channel is awesome! Love watching video game history, well any type of history- lol

[@rudidaivdson5282]

And soon Nintendo and Sony may create a new rival

[@natejoe9924]

I also had the turbo Graphics 16 I had bunks which you just showed I had this karate game where you had to rescue Marilyn Monroe at least it look like her I had this game where you turn into a wolf and if you get hit too many times you turn it back into a human I had this baseball game it was like a side scrolling you use your baseballs or your bat to hit the enemies

[@catsaregovernmentspies]

Here is my stash of commas and periods for you to put into your essay to make it coherent. ,,,,,,,,,.........

[@shreder95ua]

imagine if playstation actually didn't exist

[@DanielleAlek]

I don't think this is a "Hindsight is 20/20" deal, it was genuinely just a really scummy move from Nintendo to ditch Sony like that, and the outcome of pissing off a much larger corporation with more resources than you after giving them basically a crash course in how to beat you in the market was EXTREMELY predictable. Especially paired with Nintendo refusing to use discs with the N64, this is entirely stuff that was so easy to avoid that even people at the time were facepalming over Nintendo's decisions. The stupidest part is how they were concerned about Sony backstabbing them and honestly thought that doing the backstabbing first would make Sony throw their hands up and go "Well, guess we have to leave them alone now!"

[@G.L.999]

Sony indirectly "forced" Nintendo into ditching them from behind the scenes; as Sony actually designed said contract between them to be rejected! Creating the 'Habsburg Ultimatum' effect. In reality, Sony didn't technically need Nintendo or Sega to enter the video market. Sony just wanted a weakness to exploit to gain media attention to their brand. If Nintendo stuck with Sony, they would've actually 'absorbed' Nintendo into being a 1st party developer for Sony; thus taking Nintendo's independence from them; while getting little profit back(unless Sony handed over full control of the PlayStation brand to Nintendo of course)!

[@mohammedganai9636]

​@@G.L.999 Sony already made prototypes of their own PS-X units, which played both SNES carts and disc based units, doing an end run around Nintendo.

[@mohammedganai9636]

Sony had only just started becoming a massive conglomerate. Until a few years earlier they were known for electronics. Over '87-88 they purchased CBS Records and Columbia Pictures. Ken Kutaragi pestered Nintendo to make a CD-ROM drive for the SNES, but they saw no benefit for games, so he told them software on the drive would be anything BUT games, which finally convinced them, albeit reluctantly. Their mistake was not making sure to have that part put in the contract for the CD-ROM. In early '89 Sony formed their first software wing, Sony Imagesoft. So yeah, Nintendo was right to be concerned. kotaku.com/the-weird-history-of-the-super-nes-cd-rom-nintendos-mo-1828860861 Sony was every bit as scummy if not moreso.

[@G.L.999]

@@mohammedganai9636 And that's the part of the story that always gets glossed over. People focus too much on Sony's side of the story instead of looking at Nintendo's side of the story in addition!

[@crazedlunatic43]

As grand the PlayStation brand is, I don’t think partnering up with Nintendo would be such a wise idea.

[@KrispyyCookie]

Nice one!

[@Cybereagle4122]

Funny thing: SEGA aided Microsoft in joining the video game market as well in 1998, and after SEGA dropped out in 2001, Microsoft was close to buying SEGA but it didn’t go through. You can still see SEGA’s influence in the original Xbox’s button layouts of the gamepad.

[@CerealNumberWDW1984]

Sega + Nintendo vs Sony???

[@angrymariocraft8228]

Nintendo and Sony should’ve cooperated!

[@jchrist9800]

Nintendo’s decisions around this time were just Nintendo being Nintendo. Sega on the other hand really shot themselves in the foot, as SOJ’s business decisions became increasingly unhinged to the point they were outright suicidal. The amount of jealousy and spite they felt towards SOA was massive to the point of ludicrous unprofessionalism, simply because they couldn’t think of the bigger picture and *only* cared about being more popular in their home country. SOA was making all the smart decisions that made Sega what it was, until SOJ actively started doing the exact opposite of everything SOA proposed. It’s a wild ride of a rabbit hole to read into, highly recommend.

[@AhmedGH433]

i bet the best new gaming channel will be this i subscribed since you had 2k and keep going😁👍

[@SaturnDX1]

WOOO new video. Always exciting

[@nathanielmarks4872]

Rip Brendan O'Brie AKA the original Crash Baniccot

[@Phryj]

Nintendo's biggest problem was how they treated their software partners (a problem they didn't fully correct until the Wii). Sony offered them all much more favorable publishing terms, particularly not limiting the amounts of games they could release and charging them much lower publishing fees (even waiving them for smaller companies), on top of providing them with easier hardware to work with, good development kits, and, of course, the large capacity of CD-ROM. Unsurprisingly, they all mostly ditched Nintendo during the 5th generation. Also, Sony attracted a number of new companies into making console games. Probably the single biggest reason the PS1 and PS2 absolutely dominated, they had LOTS of developers making lots of games for them. Nintendo managed to survive only because their first party titles make them vast amounts of money, and they make a point of never selling their hardware at a loss (even when this means unnecessarily hindering their machines' capabilities). Sony might not have driven Nintendo out of the console business, but at least Nintendo learned their lesson.

[@kokotheclown2588]

Yes Nintendo were a tad arrogant during the N64 and GameCube era they thought that developers wouldn’t leave them but oh boy that fire back quickly also the GB line also help Nintendo alongside the Mammoth popularity of Pokémon which still makes them a ton I mean a ton of money but yeah they sorta learn their lesson with the Wii kinda and then the U but Nintendo wants u to forget about that and now they seem to finally have found their balance with the Switch which in many ways the like PS1 and PS2 a robust library of games a affordable price and a massive amount of support from 3rd party developers hey they even got square back despite square making fun of them in the 90s but hey time heals all wounds and 135 mil units sold also

[@Marx1684]

I think my viewing of Panels to Pixels brought me here. Similar vibes. Well researched content that moves at a great pace with cool tunes in the back. 👍

[@familymclean5297]

The crash on the thumbnail: WoAh!

[@yunurrahmat]

i think the story of schism between Sega of Japan and Sega of America is worth as a video topic, maybe someday?

[@JulianR2JG]

0:28 Wasn't there also the PC Engine/Turbo Grafx-16?

[@JulianR2JG]

it was already mentioned in the video later whats the point to miss out on it lmao

[@josephfrye7342]

sony was in the amiga commedore products too including that but nec sony are the real competitors. along the way with philips.

[@billybob7858]

ok i just started watching youre video's today, and man, i like you

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

As a longtime Sega gamer, I have a particular vendetta against Sony for their Playstation consoles and feel the Sega Saturn could have done a lot better if Sony hadn't interfered. If the rumor that the CEO of Sega of Japan said that Sony has no business in the video game market is true, then I'd have to side with him; Playstation consoles rely way too heavily on third-party support (Sega and Nintendo have the decency to make their own games) and their button scheme is different from every other major console on the market.

[@oh_noes]

I feel the sega Saturn could have deserved to be a good console. If sonic extreme but remove the e and not even a red R as it, and if it happens to be released then ye

[@johndoughnuts]

Wait so Sony did not belong but what about all the others would applied and failed. If a company believes that can contribute and be successful in a new industry, then they should be allowed to try. Sega only has themselves to blame for their downfall, Sega was arrogant and underestimated Sony and the got beaten badly. Sega can't even make good Sonic games meanwhile Sony making GOTY contender games. Sony makes their own games that why they have studios are first party. Sony makes far better games than Sega. Sony button scheme was different because they wanted to be different unlike Sega that was a wannabe Nintendo. Sega Japan made several bad decisions while Sega America wanted to work with Sony. Sony was just far better than Sega respectfully.

[@TerrorOfTalos]

Imagine still being this butthurt for so long? Yeah put all the blame on Sony but not Sega for making poor decisions themselves. 🤣

[@KingAgniKai]

SEGA of Japan is why the Saturn failed. Sony just kicked them while they were falling down.

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

@@KingAgniKai I disagree. The Saturn, while still playing second fiddle to the PS1, was actually much more popular in Japan than in the US. However, I will say that even though Sega's North American and Japanese branches had their creative differences, perhaps things would have worked out a lot better for the both of them if they weren't pressured to compete with the PS1.

[@fuschiaboystatus1289]

This is what happens when you don’t go Kutaragi’s way

[@greenywastaken]

New video! Nice

[@digitalcyborg20]

Wait, what about the Philips CDI with Hotel Mario?

[@G.L.999]

What about it?

[@digitalcyborg20]

@@G.L.999 he said the Nintendo and Philips partnership never came to be even though it did.

[@G.L.999]

@@digitalcyborg20 It didn't in a sense. Philips still had the rights to produce Nintendo games based on their property, but an SNES add-on with Philips didn't pan out after Nintendo witnessed the failure of the Sega CD. And eventhough an SNES add-on with Philips didn't work out, Philips still had the rights to make games based on Nintendo's properties for their own system for a few years as the contract between them was still in effect!

[@josephfrye7342]

and it brings us to sega or whatever cd line up of red book orange book yellow book green book beige book blue book white book scarlet book and violet book rainbow color type coded digital book compact discs.

[@josephfrye7342]

i looked up here in the wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books

[@dellosayshello5405]

This is the ultimate never interrupt your enemy when there making a mistake

[@rmcoutinho]

At the end himself says that im stupid

[@randytyson]

Nintendo single handley crreated an enemy more successful than Sega

[@mohammedganai9636]

I'd say it was Ken's doing. Clever, crafty, sneaky Ken.

[@GodOfWarConnoisseur]

Your delivery is 1:1 with Paprika Gaming

[@_Tzer]

actually did sega have any secondary mascots? Like nintendo has link But what does sega have ik nights came later but still what about before then alex kidd is their og mascot yeah sure but idk if that counts. closest thing one could consider may be the guy from altered beast but they have only like 3.5 games

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Bean the Duck?

[@beverlygilbreath5569]

What do you use for the 3d room for your videos?

[@supersmallchibiwolf872]

Imagine a world were Nintendo and Sony joined forces that would have been dangerous for the competing gaming companies. Super Mario Odyssey in 5k on PS5 now that would be amazing. I love this story of the biggest mistake in gaming history. Also Sony was dominating other forms of entertainment the risk wasn't that big for Nintendo or Sega because even If It somehow failed Sony would move on and Nintendo and Sega would have continued without Sony. I would love to hear Sony, Nintendo and Sega ceo's being asked this what If scenario If they did go 100 % on working together to see what they would say these days. Cool video. ^_^

[@TeleKamptiA]

Can you remember me if you hit 1M?

[@chelsykealcy2061]

Im just here so I can say i was here before you hit 100k

[@Catface69]

Super Disc is cool!

[@onthedre]

3:21 why is she playing League on 3 monitors wtf 💀

[@Kerfufflefuf]

Not really relevant to the video, but Sony wasn't the only company Sega passed up on collaborating on a console with. Microsoft also approached Sega to co-develop a console while the Dreamcast was being designed. But Sega turned them down. Of course, Microsoft then went on to develop the Xbox. So, Sega contributed to not one, but two new competitors entering the home console market.

[@crazedlunatic43]

As grand as the PlayStation brand is, I don’t think a partnership would have been a great idea to begin with. People tend to overlook Nintendo’s side and gloss over to Sony’s side of the story, but the truth is, if the partnership did go through: Then Sony would be the sole company to take over profits made on the Play-Station with Nintendo making very little money on that unreleased platform in return, which yes, if a game like Super Mario or Zelda appeared on the Super CD format, that profit would be awarded to Sony and not Nintendo.

[@nettune9980X]

6:50 After you Said That i got a there’s no place like chrome ad and An Naval Credit Union ad ( car wash one.).

[@frogmouth2]

And after this we never saw a massive tech company make an attempt to aggressively enter the gaming sphere again…

[@Lumberjack_king]

I mean in a way if Sony never got betrayed we wouldn't have Xbox and of course then we wouldn't have had halo 4:23 in a way they were right but their fear only caused it to happen faster also your channel is underated I love the good messages at the end

[@mutalix]

Halo was originally supposed to be an apple Mac exclusive till Microsoft somehow convinced bungie to sell exclusively to PC and xbox. So even if xbox never came out, Halo was going to come out, had it played out that way then it would've launched on Mac first then eventually PC.

[@Lumberjack_king]

@@mutalix interesting

[@WahRizz]

Damn that's interesting, i never heard this story until now

[@shanitamoore8715]

Ooooo sonic and mario

[@tlst94]

What if in an alternate timeline, Sony never entered the gaming industry? Had Ken Kutaragi instead decided it was a waste of time? How'd history have played out?

[@DaveTheRetroGuy]

We would still properly have new sega consoles

[@tripleclickswifty3823]

I don't hate Sony, but they kinda screwed over the Saturn in the long run over in the west

[@raidenstark315]

Can you make a video about sega and microsoft relationship, and how that helped for the invention if the xbox

[@OmegaChase1002]

0:32 Coulda said Landstalker or something.

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

Alternate timeline:Nintendo and Sony team up and they are unbeatable!!! Microsoft releases the Xbox it flips. Nintendo and Sony buyout many many many 3rd party companies and it makes a monopoly.

[@SnaksiXD]

You sure that deal between Philips and Nintendo didn't go anywhere?

[@mastertainment116]

I've been saying this for years. Everything you said has already been mentioned in a G4 video where Tony Hawk was the host. That video was back and around 2004. This is the main reason I specifically hate Nintendo.

[@Avaitor_YT]

What?

[@natejoe9924]

Not to toot my own horn but I had both systems so I didn't have to choose I had Sega and Super Nintendo so I had Sonic and Mario

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Meaning both camps scorned you but also wanted to hang-out and play whatever games they didn't have?

[@natejoe9924]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 yeah

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@natejoe9924 So, uhh... wanna play some Mario later? 😅 (Yeah, I had a Genesis)

[@natejoe9924]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 give me your code I have to buy another Nintendo switch I gave it to my niece she wanted it so I gave it to her

[@natejoe9924]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 I'm going to buy me another one but you can still give me your code in the process

[@-Poka-]

Sega: Genesis Does What Nintendon't. Nintendo: Sega is lame. Sony: lmao hi

[@Avaitor_YT]

Cringe joke and pfp

[@Railfan124]

This video is good

[@hoenntrumpets]

If Nintendo and Sony did get along together, then the Philips CD-i wouldn't exist and therefore KZbin Poops would have never been created at all.

[@Kaltinril]

Playstation won out also because slowly all the big name game companies left the Cartridge format, in favor for the CD format, which packed much more data, allowing for larger, richer environments, pre-rendered cut scenes, and of course, CD quality music.

[@that24tankengine91]

As a dutch person I feel proud

[@guyuser81]

I wouldn’t say not partnering up with Sony was good. It did damage to both companies,Sega had to do a surprise launch with the Saturn & that angered third party licensees & not a single game company had their game published on the Saturn. They came out with Dreamcast which was successful but it lacked a DVD player making Sega quit the console business and become a licensee to avoid bankruptcy. Nintendo stuck with cartridges which made it hard for licensees to make games for the system and all of their licensees left Nintendo for Sony,it got badder in the early 2000’s when Nintendo released the GameCube which used mini discs to avoid piracy. & their consoles kept slowing down until the Switch came along in 2017. It took more than 20 years to get Nintendo back on track. So don’t say Nintendo & Sega not partnering up with Sony was a good thing,it wasn’t. (I’m not being rude,I’m just correcting you.)

[@mechateamleader4071]

Giggity

[@keybladeswordff7fan115]

If they had made the deal with Nintendo we would have never gotten the PlayStation or Legendary games like final fantasy VII Persona and more

[@Lumberjack_king]

0:06 I'm kinda the same way but uts more of a case to case basis 0:34 Sega did actually have their own link 6:24 what is that program you uses 6:57 I mean it makes sense if Nintendo is going to partner with your rival why not partner with theirs 7:31 pretty much 9:45 see I was right also I've watched all your videos

[@LuniFoxo]

I can't help but notice how the start of the URL is "woMEn"

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

xd

[@bigdogthehedgehog5906]

Let's see if Sony could work with Atari???

[@mjama2132]

hi

[@harrygregory6227]

this is similar to ferrari v ford story

[@josepineda6562]

Universal was the original owner of crash lol until they treated like shit

[@kaiserrino8774]

Sega accidentally helped Sony big time. Segas Virtua Fighter was the reason, why the PS1 was built as a 3D focused console.

[@oswaldtheluckyrabbit1730]

Lol

[@robloxislifeizo]

nintendo really? , stop the ads pls

[@eldartaghiyev8422]

Because Nintendo stop the SNES CD sony and then Sega said no for Sony’s idea they made PS.

[@libosen]

They should make an anime about this

[@insert12]

Nice video i subscribed for more.

[@cokelife5831]

Sega japan really screwed themselves over

[@giuliobros.123]

Yesss

[@Marc_Araujo]

We ended up winning with the birth of the Sony PlayStation.

[@Realicemot0]

Zo

[@asajokeforearlyhalloweensa3244]

Nintendo: take the L Sony: just take the L I make movies SEGA: take the L Nintendo: SEGA you take the L SEGA: *shows uno reverse* Nintendo and Sony: Nindony is gonna die, Nindony gonna die DIE Microsoft: I'mma bout to ruin this man's whole career S E G A: *shows uno reverse card and plays take 3 cards to all* SEGA does what Sony, Microsoft and Nintendont

[@Avaitor_YT]

Nah u a fanboy 💀💀💀

[@DeeTeaDee]

Somy definitely never created games as good as nintendo did tho. They added MAGIC to their games. Made them so addictive. For me, playstation just means GTA & Bioshock. All the games now are just disjointed movies. Sooo boring

[@HebrewGamer100]

eh, Nintendo made bank during the N64 and Sony got a leg up by buying off all the bigtime 3rd party developers. You don't have to make your own games when you can pay people to make them for you.

[@MrSmriley]

Your vids are quite good, but please ditch the cheesy stock video clips, they add nothing.

[@Jumpfumo]

Hi

[@kirotalksyt]

Heyooo

[@guyginzburg1117]

@@kirotalksyt what program did you use for the 3d room?