How Should We Feel About Shohei Ohtani Deferring $680 of $700 Million Contract | Dan Le Batard Show

Mike Schur joins the show and discusses Shohei Ohtani signing a $700 million deal but deferring $680 million deal. How should we feel about it? Is it fair? Also, why the Atlanta Braves are the super team that we should worry about. Then we watch Lucy's video from attending the Army vs. Navy game this weekend. Finally, how old are these pictures of old time baseball players.
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[@broman74dude95]

Soto is not Ohtani. So is generation talent but Ohtani is once in FOREVER talent. So Stop IT.

[@nwth699]

He's so smart, and always thinking about what's best for the development of baseball. And with this contract, he raises questions about the inconsistency of the current "CBT". And after 10 years, he will use the money he earns, not for himself, but for someone else. For the development of baseball, which he loves. For example, if he donates some ballparks for baseball kids, that's exactly the American dream.

[@lwazizungu685]

❤ the show, watching from South Africa.

[@seang2907]

20:32 Lucy asking an important question had me laughing out loud 🤣 😅 🐐

[@joannebaldini9825]

LOVE LUCY!!!!! That was so cool. Praise to the video team!!

[@IrishWeegee]

[0:00-11:26] Mike Schur, Shohei Ohtani's contract [11:27-13:36] Stat of the Day [13:37-24:36] Off Rohd-ing: Army vs Navy [24:37-27:56] Looking older than you should [27:57-36:59] Doubting the December Dolphins Dan, Stugotz & Greg Cote in Studio, Mike EP Lucy, Roy, Billy, Chris, and Jeremy in the Shipping Container

[@JustMeELC]

GREAT video Lucy!

[@BillyHoyle25]

Lucy is so great. Golden retriever in human form.

[@brandon46and2]

Struck gold with Lucy.

[@Bman32x]

20:17 Lucy is going to be a megastar before anyone realizes it. This genuine good soul with her going out to these games makes me so happy seeing someone enjoying what they love doing. And yes, this game always gives me real tears because of what is means to the cadets getting to be kids in many of their cases 1 last time. Thank YOU for your service!

[@federation_comrade]

Absolutely. I came to the comments just to say how cool Lucy is.

[@joshuacarrig9370]

Im not even a huge CFB fan, but her segment is so good

[@Wizardhater]

Lucy’s awesome and her video team is spectacular. I loved the music too even if it was royalty free. Didn’t sound cheap.

[@cindyfagerstrom8825]

No one in Foxborough, or anywhere else, recognizes Lucy without the glasses. You've got to stay in costume on the road.

[@jayceh1031]

They are paying him $700M bc he comes with the entire Japan market plus other parts of Asia (he is pretty big in Korea and Taiwan too).

[@joshuacarrig9370]

The World Baseball Classic TV numbers definitely showed each major market what they're buying (media wise) on top of an excellent, established player.

[@laartwork]

Creating generational Dodger fans like how Valenzuela created a Dodger latino fanbase that still exists 40 years later.

[@BackJack450]

the Asian community in SoCal is massive as well. It'll bring so much more revenue to an already popular team like the Dodgers. Angels don't have the same pull

[@christhompsontn9244]

At this amount the amount they are paying him currently, they can still get aces on the roster and if he ends up pitching it will be a bonus anytime between now and when the lump sum is due.

[@DW-op7ly]

They are expecting the Dodgers to make 50 million a year from marketing fees for Ohtani

[@bradmcgary8821]

Lucy-If the game would have been in Philly like it usually is, content would have been way better, we would have loved to have you there!

[@TheHateless1]

Best hitter in the league. Yordon Alvarez would like a word

[@JohnSmith-er5ys]

Ohtani lead the AL in HRs, OPS, SLG, WAR in 2023. Alvarez can sit back down.

[@tootspogsforever5590]

Lmao

[@TheHateless1]

@@JohnSmith-er5ys how many World Series wins for Ohtani, I accept playoff wins overall

[@JohnSmith-er5ys]

@@TheHateless1 Oh, don't you worry about that. He's on a real team now. So once he starts winning playoff games, the only criticism you can throw at him goes right out the window.

[@TheHateless1]

@@JohnSmith-er5ys hopefully, MLB need him to be successful.

[@cityboychad]

Its not "gaming the system" if players can do this per the CBA.

[@manciti4709]

feel whatever u wanna feel...but this ohtani dude will do what it takes to win...& he's helping his team re-build for 2024 season

[@alexsakon]

I’d bet money that Yamamoto will be in the Dodgers rotation next year

[@BillyHoyle25]

Greg is dressed like he's selling Christmas trees, and Dan is dressed like he's bringing his son, Stugotz, who is home from college, to show him how to pick "the right tree".

[@johnopal316]

Pro-tip: If you're going to Foxborough, fly into Providence.

[@lecannois]

Hilarious. What player, other than Ohtani who is making 40 million a year outside of baseball, will accept the majority of the wages deferred. Literally none. Unique circumstance.

[@zayspikes927]

Yes I agree Lucy is a future star

[@brandon46and2]

Not future. She is a star.

[@tommyvaldez4342]

Would be hilarious if the Angels won the World Series this year

[@evilzilla4053]

be even better if they sweep the Dodgers for the World Series this year

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

It’s a nice dream right?😂😂

[@gypsieking3280]

It took a few years. and a few injuries. but. Just like that. Mike Ryan's. Brown fandom. Is back!

[@butchbarnes7747]

Lucy is fantastic

[@matthewmurdick]

Lucy still got it (despite the adversities)!

[@MrCobrien1212]

It's interesting how similar this season is for the fan bases of the Dolphins and Lions. The same expectations and surprise at like the same points of the season. Us Lions fans are currently living in fear that the Same Old Lions moniker is about to become relevant again. Which seems like it's the same with Dolphins fans atm.

[@BKappgames]

You guys should feel stupid because the Dodgers and Shohei did something smart.

[@JustMeELC]

Superteam bs being allowed to explode like this in mlb will hurt the game Period Full Stop What a shame sigh

[@kapilbhalla1525]

"I'mmmmmm gettin to it"- NEEDS TO BE A T-SHIRT

[@abcdef-h4n]

in mlb, there's a luxury tax threshold ($237m next year and this threshold trends with expected inflation), and if you go above that you get a penalty or a competitive balance tax (CBT). the salary that goes against the CBT is the average annual value (AAV). basically, how much the player is making during his contract divided by the number of years of his contract. in ohtani's case the AAV is $46m. so that's what he's making each year from a CBT standpoint. i.e he gets $2m now, and gets the remainder or ($46m-$2m) x (1 + 4.5%)^10 = $68m ten years later. when you add the two, and multiply by 10, you get $700m so i interpret how CBT sees things as: $46m per year for ten years = (each year he gets $2m of the $46m) + ($68m is paid out 10 years later but that needs to be detrended 4.5% per year for expected inflation) a lot of people are making a big deal about this, but i don't see an issue with the math mlb is using. i mean you need to detrend the deferrals for expected inflation to determine the value of the player which is essentially what mlb is doing. i guess you can argue about the rate of expected inflation that is being used, but i think you need to pick something.

[@AKirkpat78]

Lucy's got a future at Discovery or the Travel channel . Would love to see her as your fulltime travel correspondent. Beyond sports.

[@kenny0626]

What is Mike Schur’s podcast called?

[@thisguy8106]

It wouldn't be "free money" either way, Cote. Shohei earned that money the moment he signed the *fully guaranteed* contract. It's not like it's an incentive based contract.

[@smxwing]

Team doing there best to win for their fans Player helping team and teammates succeed Avoid crazy taxes Fanbase satisfied thats theire team and player are doing everything their power to win Everything done legally and every other team has same opportunities Talking heads and opposing fans: THIS ISNT RIGHT, EVIL CHEATING

[@AllInTheGame01]

Lucy's amazing!

[@mmageek]

12:57 absolutely crazy with the life insurance, does that mean Sho-hai can't take out a life policy for himself?

[@yamyamyams2629]

😂😂😂 I can't stand when people cry when some team does something that they would of be thrill them if their team did it

[@calvonster12]

No one wanted to talk at Army Navy because it can be held against them for disciplinary purposes whether they are on duty or not for as long as they are still active duty. If you want to talk to folks then you have to find alumni who are completely out of the military.

[@cindyfagerstrom8825]

If Ohtani could compete in the Miss America pagent, I know there would be World Peace.

[@PurpleNGold824]

Kershaw, Miller , buehler, and May as it stands. And they still have money to sign a big name player. Plus they have trade assets to acquire an ACE. Calm down haters. They ain’t done just yet

[@noledoubt3264]

33:16 horse collar tackle is already illegal. But it was also a hip drop.

[@nomercyinc6783]

truly doesnt matter what fans think of athletes contracts. peoples opinions dont make them important and never has

[@skribiller]

Thanks for making me go look for that Leland card.

[@DavidByrnes-w9o]

Dodgers pitching woes: Well this didn't age well, did it?

[@chrisdemas8246]

Lucy is theeeee best!!!

[@13orangeroo]

Stugotz complained about baseball games going too fast and now he's complaining baseball podcast is going too slow.

[@adornoj1]

Sparky Anderson giving major Abe Vigora vibes

[@TheDamianG]

I AM 44 and I feel great about my looks compared to Leyland and Anderson

[@bobloblaw-f1i]

Ill argue they did not get Greg on the hard network out this time. Kudos Greg.

[@ZanyZoboomafoo]

I’ve never seen Jeremy happier, he actually got a good joke in 😂😂😂

[@areitz1962]

Because hes so great at both, people tend to insinuate hes THE best at both. Hes not. Hes great at both. But hes not in the coversation as best SP OR Hitter. Its not a bad contract, hes worth it. Hes 2 players. But im more fascinated by what signing him actually means for W/L. Im not sure hes worth it at 30, for that

[@JeffG575]

so how many hitters are clearly better than Ohtani? I mean hes not even in the conversation according to you. show the stats.

[@areitz1962]

@@JeffG575 I'm not saying he's not great, elite even. But we've gotten to the point point because he's such a unicorn that we're making him the best Hitter and best Pitcher when he's not. That's all I'm saying. Betts, Acuna, Soto, Freeman, Harper, JRam are all guys in that group and in any given year you could take them in at the top. We're splitting hairs, I just don't think he's ever been the best at either of them

[@MrTRIPent]

Lucys video was fire yall are tripping

[@ramongonzalez6653]

It's always the wealthiest who looks to circumvent the loopholes of rules. Although technically they did not break the rule, they did break the spirit of the baseball financial payroll structure and made it more unfair than what it already is. Every team should be able to operate on a even platform, but unfortunately that is not the case and now that Dodgers found a way to work around the payroll structure that a majority of teams can not do. The baseball commissioner should had used the best interest of baseball bylaws to stop this contractual signing..This is very shameful by MLB to allow this! Wait did he just say Ohtani the best hitter in the game? Ohtani is one of the better player in the game, because he is allowed to pitch and hit, but he ain't the best hitter in baseball he might be the best DH in baseball although I believe Bryce Harper is better.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

Nobody is gonna defer 98% of their salary. There’s no loophole😂

[@ramongonzalez6653]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Really! you don't see it or don't want to see it. MLB created a threshold to hold teams like the Yankees, Dodgers and other big market teams to pay a price for signing FA players to big contracts and going beyond the threshold, now by deferring the money they have more money to continue signing big money free agents without affecting the threshold amount because they are paying the contract beyond the 10 years of service. If Dodger was not able to defer Ohtani 700 million dollar contract and had to add the 70 million a year to their payroll for this upcoming year would had made nearly impossible to sign anyone else unless the would want to own a 360 million or more payroll. So how this NOT a loophole?

[@kennethbate2778]

Amen this is indeed a loophole. Not illegal but definitely games the system. As a fan of baseball I don't even want to watch. Ohtani is the LeBron James of baseball. Trying to stack the deck in his favor

[@decade130]

It’s in the CBA. It’s nothing the league can do.

[@BryanChance]

I feel fine about it. it's his contract.

[@TrentStanley-q3t]

Hmm I wonder has Rex Huermann been to any Patriot games in the last 10 1o 13 yrs in lonely descilent Foxborough bcus it sounds like his kind of place.

[@WorldB1123]

So refreshing to hear millionaires like Dan, Mike Schur, and Stugotz complain about how the Dodgers spend THEIR money. It's not YOUR money. Obviously the Dodgers can afford the deferred money, otherwise MLB would not have approved the deal. Mike Schur, just read the damn stat of the day and bounce.

[@jackjurphy5020]

Schur is absolutely awful.

[@LaCheeserie]

I agree, except for the part about dodgers obviously being able to afford it. Likely yes, not guaranteed, and they way they have to prove it is not in actual funds in an escrow or anything. Snapshot of balance sheet. That said, interesting set up, and good for Ohtani. He may live humbly and has plenty of endorsements

[@willc6675]

You sound like a Karen at a HOA meeting

[@LaCheeserie]

@@jackjurphy5020still love some of the shows he has worked on, but getting to know him through the show has been disappointing. And how he reacted to Adnan

[@WorldB1123]

@@LaCheeserie From their multi billion dollar tv deal, they should have more than enough $ to cover the deal.

[@wmcuccia1356]

No they are paying 2 million next year and investing 68 mill which in ten years will be worth twice as much.

[@clubeyxander5132]

>>>> which in ten years will be worth twice as much. You must be joking.... With interests and inflation all combined, it's roughly estimated to be worth only 66% of its present day worth when he receives it all.

[@raymondhernandez]

Unicorn contract with a unicorn player. This isn’t a Dodgers driven deal. All teams were given the same opportunity with the same structured deal by Ohtani. My question is which other MLB player will take that much of their salary deferred by 10 plus years? I’ll wait….

[@MrCopacetic23]

You guys talk about the Dodgers roster construction like it’s March. It’s December and they’re in on a new elite pitcher everyday. I’m sure they’ll be equipped to go toe to toe with the Braves come opening day.

[@jaxjaggywires]

Has Mike Schur always blinked so much when talking?

[@B00GiEMANE]

Wish I was a huge Lucy guy like everybody else but it’s just not hitting for me like i’d like it to

[@dylanlooney6573]

Always thought the saying was gaining the system

[@SomeChink]

Kiribati is not pronounced Kiribati

[@KevinJL]

Kee-ri-bas 🇰🇮

[@mirikaku5811]

Watch the Dan Patrick’s interview with Tom Verducci, the only MLB journalist to have interviewed the Dodgers executives who met with Ohtani and their discussion and background to the contract, also Nez Balelo. You can also read his article in SI of this. People are so cynical that they will always find some ulterior motive, while Ohtani is uniquely sincere which also blew the Dodgers executives.

[@ljoreilly]

Phrasing!

[@giovannimontes7409]

Damn Acuña makes 12 mil a yr.... he needs to fire his agent.

[@arkangelarkangel1302]

im a Giants fan and my wife loves the Angels... what the hell is Ohtani doing ? I GET GOING TO THE DODGERS.. but the differed payments sound sketchy like are you getting ownership points... what is this?.. btw ... there's no sour grapes here... i personally think you aint winning anything with buying insane price tag players in MLB... I'd rather do what Texas, Astros, and Braves do... get a bunch of very hungry and very good Dominican players mixed with excellent coming up pitchers... that's better than what Padres Dodgers Mets and Yankees do.

[@JustMeELC]

Ohtani doesn't need or care about the money. While he plays its all about baseball & nothing else.

[@eygeekness3124]

The Dodgers Stole Freddie Freeman??? Not sure that is what happened considering the Braves dumped him.

[@butchbarnes7747]

Welcome back Mike really missed you.

[@RockbandDrummer321]

Damn Mike be blinking a lot

[@WorldB1123]

Adderall, buddy😏

[@Reese13]

Booger Sugar 😉

[@jamiefisher1362]

corduroy Danno is a vibe

[@cindyfagerstrom8825]

Regarding the shirt: Just so you know, Dan has been volunteering his time working with Ron McGill at the zoo.

[@colbyshaw2256]

Does stugotz think the Bronx isn’t inside NYC?

[@kidangel101]

The brilliant Mike Schur mispronounced Kribati. Correct: Keer-a-bosh

[@KevinJL]

The disappearing nation

[@kidangel101]

@@KevinJL Tuvalu is in the same boat. Not the best use of words there lol.

[@KevinJL]

Dodgers aren't winning anything with Dave Roberts as the manager

[@AndimalDrums]

Anybody complaining about this show sucks. And ya know it.

[@alanhonor9799]

show high!

[@pauljones3039]

I thought Ryan wasn’t a browns fan

[@djmusicallyrich4213]

Was that Ed The Horse?

[@everetthudson4741]

WE DIDNT GET A TURDUCKEN THIS YEAR

[@2463ace1]

The answer to you, Le Batard... Is no.

[@lowkeypopi]

Killy GIL!!!!

[@travissmith6380]

Lucy is SO NICE, what the hells with that crowd??? That was nuts, shes out there having to ask goats and horses questions

[@reynaldomacahilas3072]

His next of kin would get the money

[@theroc500]

could one of bucket of death (brought to you by kfc) punishment be some one dress up as mose from the office

[@nycbenefits]

can he be more monotone?

[@TheRealMichaelP]

Miami needs a QB there is no other way around it

[@MARTINRules1000]

I don't think shani otani is going to make a difference dodgers are still trash and geit taken out in the first round once again..

[@conantheagrarian]

did any one of the brains behind the scenes say something like - don’t how we’re getting around “he’s pozzed up” means “he has aids” but ok, i guess give pozzcast a try and see how it goes before they rubber stamped the name of the show?

[@Levi-em6ym]

We want Shohei to get paid NOW! He has been underpaid since his Rookie year. This stinks.

[@jasonpagan1889]

As a Mets fan, every team should experience a Bobby Bonilla day.

[@Presto_King]

Man Chris Cote has been obnoxious but not in a fun old guy way. More like a diva who lost everyone the best show on radio for this hallowed out halfway version. Take a chill pill fake outrage guy.

[@cw2962]

Such a white crowd of the army navy people in uniform

[@alexmadera7605]

Othani is the best baseball player of all time? So baseball has been around for 6 years....oookkkkk

[@McRib_is_Bck]

Name someone that has done what ohtani does?And does say old beer drinking babe ruth

[@alexmadera7605]

@@McRib_is_Bck Othani does something unique yes, but ain’t best pitcher nor best hitter in the league. Sorry, facts

[@aindrexa5078]

@@alexmadera7605 name another player that can do what he can

[@KevinJL]

Invest in some Just for Men guys #frosty

[@HouseofJones]

This is why baseball is dying Superstars don't win championships plus they take up half the payroll

[@JustMeELC]

Except Ohtani is only taking up 2 million a year of the payroll & that's the disgrace that will damage the game

[@Mskedu47]

Soto a bust

[@bankai7623]

Lucy is great but i hope she does different things at the rate she does football cause i hate college football 😅