How The Edwardians Threw Parties | Edwardian Farm EP9 | Absolute History

[@ashpete21]

So wonderful to see humans and animals working in harmony. The bits where the people form bonds with their animals are my favorites! :)

[@venus_envy]

Harmony? Hm, not what I saw.

[@InWinds]

@@venus_envy what'd you see, then? I saw a symbiotic relationship between human and animal, or in this case, cow. Milking a cow doesn't lessen the shortage of milk for the calf and does no harm to the mother; keep in mind these are domestic and they work different than wildlife.

[@eddiesroom1868]

I thought this was going to be about garden parties, omg the cows are so cute!

[@kalebloshbough1551]

Farmers the most unapriciated people throughout history and today God bless every farmer and ty for your hardwork

[@stanlygirl5951]

If you're not starving, thank a farmer. If you can read this, thank a teacher.

[@marycanary86]

"im one with the cow now" "great sensation isnt it" *peter looking absolutely pressed with a bright red face* *strained voice* "yep..."

[@rougepilot5513]

It is now noticeable hearing the music soften when the narrator speaks

[@katiemccord96]

Yeah that was bothering me. Im hard if hearing anyways so i could barely hear him over the music

[@darkfireeyes7]

It's a refreshing change.

[@bettyboop6292]

They heard the public outcry ..thank goodness.

[@boxdial]

No shit welcome to 21 century

[@johnricci3428]

Its called "ducking"

[@mikelisacarb]

Forget Downton Abbey! No need for a complicated plot with these regular folks. as stars. Just staying alive for another year is all the drama needed!

[@ekaski1]

Forget Downton Abbey?!?! Sacrilege!

[@eddiesroom1868]

1:30

[@birdsflowers2289]

I wonder how the ducks will turn out. I figured they would eat the snails AND the strawberries. I have happy memories of collecting wild strawberries along a stretch of rocky road near an abandoned 3 story house. Nothing more delicious; and nothing more dangerous,-- for we saw many poisonous copperheads in Missouri.

[@nicolevanburen6052]

Imitation is the best compliment.

[@trollmeistergeneral3467]

@@birdsflowers2289 “…3 STOREY house…”

[@happybuddhabear1155]

Of all of these, this Edwardian series is my favorite.

[@tracymeyers616]

It was very nice to be able to hear the narrator.

[@MTPBUCKET]

I often wish I could Join Ruth, Peter, & Alex I am a very old soul and would loved to have joined them in many of the tasks they did. Thank you all for doing such a great job. Cheery Oh!

[@IonIsFalling7217]

I know! I daydream about joining them.

[@veramae4098]

Me too. Only without the exhausting work.

[@natalieheagle7005]

I would love to join them on any of their adventures!

[@ajrwilde14]

it's Cheerio

[@laneyjensen5964]

Peter “I wish I hadn’t done that” immediately pops another strawberry n his mouth

[@SkyR45]

right. so cute lol

[@tauceti8341]

LOL I lit up after that. It's so easy to do with fresh strawberries! haha

[@shadodragonette]

I would never have made it raising strawberries. I would have eaten too many and probably been beaten for it. I really really love strawberries and other fruit, you can keep the processed sugar! Edit: I have always preferred fruit over candy, probably because fruit is so much more expensive than candy so we rarely got fresh fruit growing up.

[@blabla-rg7ky]

meh, I'm not a fan of strawberries. You can have them all xD

[@tweetypie1978]

There's lots of points in history were fruit was cheap and free if you could find it growing wild but sugar only came from sugar cane which was expensive here because you can't grow sugar cane in the UK. Sugar is cheaper now because it's grown locally as sugar beet

[@diananievesavellanet]

Well, I don't about anyone else. But, Peter with his facial hair and rugged good looks, would keep me watching. Even, if all you showed were rabbits dancing with too-toos! What a hunk❣ Giving credit where credit is due. This is a wonderful portrayal of Edwardian history & lifestyle! Thank you Absolute History--for both! 🥰

[@alanprior7650]

Peter Ginn seemed like the "workhorse" of all these series even though he is a historian himself.

[@CW-rx2js]

@@alanprior7650 not true at all..most of the really taxing labour he didn't do.

[@CW-rx2js]

Never found Peter to be good looking...Ruth is my favorite and why I watch it

[@airgunfun4248]

@@CW-rx2js Lame

[@ThatgeekNolan]

He’s very handsome, and I admire his calm and gentle manner and his enthusiasm for trying new things.

[@yoinkhaha]

The art in the guestbook is tremendous!

[@Delicate_Disaster]

For me the best part of the salt and ice mixture is that you don't have to waste all the salt you used once the ice cream is made. You can just evaporate the water out and reform your salt to use again later on.

[@SheelaNaGig]

That cow milking segment was absolutely anxiety inducing.

[@BrooklynRedLeg]

I can't help but watch this and think of JRR Tolkien's description of The Shire. The Hobbits lived in an idyllic 19th Century version of England (they're very anachronistic to the setting of Middle Earth). I get the sense of that watching this series (the music in many places also evokes what I think The Shire would sound like if set to music). Fascinating videos.

[@wewenang5167]

well mordor was germany...france was gondor...rohan was england...shire was ireland and west country uk.

[@absolutelybeautifulcooking7799]

A burning question answered. If cookies are called biscuits, what are biscuits called? Cut rounds! They look like my mom's buttermilk biscuits and have nearly the same recipe. They are also very good spread with honey-butter. Not honey and butter, but honey-butter. The two are creamed together before being spread over the biscuit.

[@oleander3489]

I remember watching this year ago on bbc2 and becoming obsessed with Alex hes so adorable

[@christy032866]

We throw "Slug a bug" parties. Slugs LOVE beer! If you take shallow lids, set them out among your veg, slugs will climb into the beer and DIE DIE DIE!!🤫🥳 It's hard if your dog drinks it, though!!😅🤣😂

[@yitzharos]

What they call "cut rounds" was what we in America call "Buttermilk Biscuits." Hahah and they couldn't quite place the bread texture. We call that a biscuit, its almost a cake like bread or muffin.

[@illegaleaglebear497]

Same thought. As soon as they get to the buttermilk, I though oh, they're making biscuits. My mom would roll into a log like that, and then do drop biscuits instead of cutting them. Perfect as a bit of salty bread for the sweet things.

[@Twitch_stream789]

,@@illegaleaglebear497

[@cici3147]

I made clotted cream once with a modern recipe. I love seeing the traditional version!

[@claudia.4079]

just popping in between episodes to say i'm having the time of my life watching these. i am completely and utterly obsessed with the three of them (though i have the biggest crush on peter specifically but. shhh. we don't speak about that.) so yeah. already dreading the end of it but i'll enjoy every last second of it while it lasts.

[@lulusmith4877]

Wonderful series enjoyed all the amazing things they did from making bricks by hand to milking the cows hard working folk that's for sure

[@incongruousinquiry]

this episode in particular is so colorful and beautiful, it really makes you appreciate the seasons 🍓

[@marialiyubman]

1:31: you totally missed the opportunity of the calf saying: MAAAAAAYYY 😂

[@pahanjayasooriya2513]

The arrival of the boat was so exiting to watch

[@johnbigboote8900]

I remember reading, in "The Hobbit" that "[Gandalf] had eaten two whole loaves (with masses of butter and honey and clotted cream) ..." in Beorn's house. Now I know what Tolkien was talking about.

[@NotSure109]

Peter is looking absolutely knackered by this point lol

[@TheBioExplorer]

I love these. It reminds me so much of my grandmother. She was born in 1901 in the US... but socially they were still very Victorian with a mix of Edwardian material wise. She was a ministers daughter so quite proper in dress and manner. She never voted even once it became legal when she was in her 20s. She also never wore pants even into the 1980s. My mother was born in 1920 and when she came of age to vote and was going with her sister to do so... her father said they could go if they wanted but don't come home afterwards. They did wear pants after WWII but never shorts while still in their parents home. They only wore make-up once married. My mother was the oldest of 8 and the only one that could milk the cow without getting kicked so it was her job even as a child. My mother's first husband (that I didn't know about until I was grown) once burned clothes she'd ordered from the Sears catalog because he said they were too fancy and wouldn't fit in with the other farmers wives. She never spoke of it but I'm sure he was physically abusive too... but that was not something unusual then. It must have been bad though because she finally ran away back to her father's house and he let her stay which he wouldn't have I'd he thought she was wrong. She divorced him... but that's when she quit going to church as they would not have supported that likely gosdiped horribly about a divorced woman in the late 1940s no matter the cause. She did marry again until 1959 when she met my dad who was in the Air Force and her cousins convinced her he was a good man.

[@tonib.3016]

Goodness what a history. I'm going out on a limb here and guessing your grandmother would be in favor of women's rights after all she went thru!!!

[@jeffreycoulter4095]

I wish I had known times and experiences like this. I long for a time I never lived. Northern Arizona USA

[@blabla-rg7ky]

I believe you. I, too, long for such a lifestyle (in nature, surrounded by green grass, clear-water lakes, mountains, happy people and lots and lots of poultry and fauna in general). I have grown up in the countryside in the 80s and early 90s surrounded by nature and livestock, I have played in the dusty roads of the countryside, eating bread, cheese, sugar and biting from tomatoes like they were apples, I rarely washed my hands before eating, every week I caught frogs, lizards and grasshoppers with my bare hands and never EVER in my entire life had I been sick or ill from doing any of these even though - by nature - I'm a pretty sensitive guy with a shaky immune system. I miss those days like no one can imagine...

[@kaisersose5549]

Take a road trip to Western Oregon. Anywhere west of the Willamette valley and east of highway 101. I lived in a town with a guy who would drive his horse drawn carriage to people's houses to deliver fresh milk from his cows. Money was hardly ever a problem for anyone. Bartering goods or services was usually better than cash. I always had someone offer to shear my sheep for me, in trade for some tractor work or produce. Salmon and wild mushrooms in the fall... Nettles and wild ginger in the spring. It took me years to learn all of the edible native fruits. When you're walking in the forest, you can safely drink from the many crystal clear springs running down the mountainside.

[@blabla-rg7ky]

@@kaisersose5549 I've felt for many years now that THIS is the direction towards which society must head if it was to ever evolve. I've always believed that highly civilized society don't use money (or any financial compensation)

[@deaniej2766]

Not without modern antibiotics.

[@jeffreycoulter4095]

@@deaniej2766 spaghnum moss for external wounds. Works like a charm for me.

[@jmar692003]

I just can’t get enough of this show!!!!

[@leopardskills69]

When lead training your horse, or pony. When they step toward you, slack the lead. This lets off pressure, and rewards the behavior. Yes keeping a tight lead can work, but a slack lead will allow the horse to relax. If they stop, then gently tighten the lead again until the horse walks along again. Patients is important. Good work though Alex.

[@AnnaAnna-uc2ff]

Peter is priceless.

[@hailla97]

Anyone else keep themselves up all night binge watching this series?

[@thisbeem2714]

Yep

[@carolzilko2643]

I have always loved Dartmoor ponies. So small, but sturdy and willing. I wish I had one.

[@lailabaf]

Peter looks like Gilbet Blythe from Anne With An E!!

[@_ZeroQueen_]

I wonder what Peter is up to. I've developed a bit of a crush of him watching these shows.

[@pinkyvdt]

All the people saying "the cut rounds are just American biscuits" crack me up. I'm over her like.... where do u think Americans got the recipe from?

[@josefinbjork1086]

Thats like asking someone too speak amerikan hihihi

[@cici3147]

Riiight? Like which one they think came first? XD

[@EmilyKinny]

Something doesn't have to come first to be compared to its predecessor. They're making comparisons based on what is most familiar to them, not making a statement on order of invention. Also, it seems both American biscuits and Devonshire Cut Rounds came about around the same time, late 19th/early 20th century, so there is no telling which came first. All you people saying "This recipe is from the UK so obviously it's the first of its kind" crack me up.

[@nonamerooster5413]

Maybe someone from the same family (both in britian and america) had the same idea

[@mayena]

It was most likely that British settlers brought the recipe during the colonial period 1607-1776?.

[@alliyahanderson3243]

How did I miss this episode when I watched the series 4 times in a row

[@Lisa1111]

Paddle boat party & cream tea! I love this series and these people 🥰 Seat🏔tle

[@sherry866]

29:29 Sheep Yells "🖕" lol

[@moogiealways3016]

We southern United States puddle jumping rebels call those butter milk biscuits. I love this series.

[@Wokerati]

love love love ruth! she's jolly and makes history less boring with her enthusiasm

[@gailhandschuh1138]

Mixing igments and dyes is something Ruth could have learned from her husband.

[@josefinbjork1086]

That Cream looks absolutley delicus

[@dallasghirl]

I giggled at bit at the “cut rounds”. That’s what we call biscuits in the US. We love them and still make them from scratch. We also eat them with butter and jam/jelly or with sausage gravy.

[@rebeccahenry6376]

The clotted cream lady has such a nice demeanor and face. Something about her is just .... inviting and engaging. I like her.

[@josiecomfort109]

I always thought "clotted cream" was the same thing as "whipped cream." Very interesting.

[@Kevin-qn2kw]

Everyone's dressed like Paddington Bear.

[@marcellinechoisne5627]

10 on ten ! I m french and i learned more , watching this series , than in ten years of life!

[@cob9834]

I think when I make my grand tour of the UK I will try to get at least one day on a canal boat or steamboat.

[@PLuMUK54]

Go to the Lake District and take a steamer on one of the lakes, they are available on several and the views are stunning.

[@jostrange-webb1138]

Made some cut rounds today! They are far better than scones 😁

[@nicholashunt-bull101]

Victoria’s birthday on May 24 is major holiday in Canada. Fireworks and all.

[@PlutoPlanetPower]

@31:18 I was not prepared for her eating that entire dollop of cream in one go

[@cursivart]

As an American, it's always a little wild hearing the OG anthem haha

[@JB-lm5xt]

This is amazing! Love! Love! Love!

[@chelsealeonardbaum23]

Thank you

[@laserbeam002]

The bread Ruth and the cheft made is what we in the U.S call buttermilk biscuits. Usually a breakfast bread.

[@cob9834]

The height of the British Empire it all began to collapse after World War I and then completely collapse after World War II. The commonwealth bravely carries on today🇬🇧

[@sunniewright3335]

I have watched this series, and the others, several times now! Oh and cut rounds are what we would call biscuits in the States...just thought I'd mention that.

[@lauranicol2706]

Where are episodes 10-12? This series is one video a month for an entire year!

[@CAP198462]

36:30 this scene looks oddly familiar. Two people sitting around with their faces covered. 😷

[@chriscarrol9373]

I like the part with the cows that have never been milked before. Imagine your neighbor weights half a ton an you went up to her " so I see you had a baby recently can you just step into this stall with me?" What could go wrong?

[@brianpope976]

What a fantastic series. Bravo!

[@markbolton4142]

before milking a cow you have to clean the udders with a good wash that kill bacteria and germs

[@MstresVampy]

Loved this beats mybusters by how many centuries ago

[@gailhandschuh1138]

Kind of surprised that Ruth didn’t recognize baking powder biscuits as they mixed them. 😇😇 my grandmother used to add a touch of sugar for a bit of sweetness. Grew up on them every Sunday after dinner treats.

[@angelwhispers2060]

These were made before 2015. And Ruth is easily in her mid-to-late forties during these. She seems like she probably lives pretty firmly focused on British history. So American biscuits may not be something she's ever had at least at the time of filming. Biscuits the way we make them Savory in America are not nearly as popular in England and definitely called something different. In England their bread making is mostly focused on Tea culture and therefore scones. Someone from one part of England might have absolutely no idea what bread and scones are served in a different County even if that other county is only 50 miles away. They still have a lot of little local and Regional traditions because they had hundreds of years of occupation to develop them long before the modern world. In America we don't really think the things that way. Because we're a relatively young country by comparison being not quite 300 years old yet as a nation and maybe only a 150 years more than that in settled occupation by Europeans. The Industrial Revolution hit us pretty early in our history meaning that what was Regional to one area was it least heard of pretty much across the country within the first 150 years of our country. And that's just not their experience with the individual countries that make up the UK being so much older with written records back to the Roman occupation ending in around 300AD. And they still have the writings of the venerable Beed and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles between then and the Norman Conquest in 1066. It's the development of a culture on a completely different time scale.

[@thisismyname3328]

@@angelwhispers2060 Can confirm, brit here, never heard of the scone-substitute for the south, as I am northern, up here, we have scones (with cheese in them, cause were heathens) but its less for tea culture, and more as an elevensies snack

[@marycanary86]

why would she know of some yankee food? some of us have been spared

[@thisismyname3328]

@@marycanary86 To this day I don’t know what ‘biscuits and gravy’ is, and I don’t particularly care to know, either.

[@marycanary86]

@@thisismyname3328 it looks, honest to god, disgusting

[@sandywest4299]

hi Peter and gang ty for another wonderful show

[@SI-FI_creations]

I get the feeling Ruth never made homemade ice-cream before. She was so amazed about the salt and ice. My family has made homemade ice-cream as long as I can remember and I was like: have other people not done this normally?

[@angelwhispers2060]

I think that's just bruised personality to be extra excited about everything. She's easily in her late 40s early 50s during the filming of these so even if she has done it before it may have been decades.

[@ashpete21]

I didn't know about ice + salt. Fascinating for this beginner! :)

[@SheelaNaGig]

@@angelwhispers2060 "bruised personality"? I've never heard that term before, what does it mean?

[@garygalt4146]

SI FI sorry but she has done other programs about history of ice cream. She has been making food and history programs for over 2 decades

[@celticlass8573]

Nobody I know or have met, has ever mentioned making it this way, so I'm guessing you're just lucky. :)

[@utej.k.bemsel4777]

Cows can be really intimitating! Expecially when they still have their horns! Modern milking seems to be easier, but you can still be hurt in more than one way by them. Got my experience on a Demeter farm near Stuttgart. Got trot on, pissed and shitted on, squeezed between, butted by the horns and slashed by the tail...

[@lauralucreziamartell3342]

It looks like a cutround is very similar to what Americans refer to as a biscuit: flour, baking powder, salt, baking soda, butter, buttermilk - cut-in and bake

[@FinarfinNoldorin]

It would be so much fun to sail up river on a boat like that. What a lovely day that would make. To be Captain of it would be a dream. :)

[@thishappycrafter272]

This is fascinating

[@Natasha-zx6fv]

I have so many questions about this series

[@crunchies4me]

As for the dairy being expected to have a clean dairy, that's only common sense. Nobody wants contaminated milk or better yet anything used for food.

[@aussiedonaldduck2854]

12:57 The Ninja Milker and Mr Gumby. lol

[@artheis1342]

Empire day = US 4th of July when we said no to Empire and colonies?

[@kuzadupa185]

Anyone have the recipe for the rolls made in this episode???

[@thisbeem2714]

Look up American buttermilk biscuit recipes. They are essentially the same as cut rounds.

[@spokiee2000]

cut rounds are nothing but American biscuits :D love it! cut rounds and gravy... yall need it over there asap!

[@Tailzkip]

I bid $1000 for the painting of the bridge! xD

[@BlackDino468]

"I am one with cow now" hahaha

[@yoinkhaha]

That old milkmaid caught a broken kneecap during the filming...

[@thisbeem2714]

I saw that and wondered if they were injured. That was quite a solid kick or two.

[@stocktonjoans]

the best you'd get from the tories these days is a 5 minute cartoon about dairy production with an accompanying leaflet

[@jamesmichaels4979]

Under Labour we'd be back to rations and a demonisation of the working class like under Blair

[@stocktonjoans]

@@jamesmichaels4979 LOL keep telling yourself that mate, maybe it'll make you regret voting tory less, probably not, but there's a chance

[@Bille994]

@@jamesmichaels4979 I tend to avoid politics in the comment sections of these fantastic history docs because it's completely inappropriate, but you really can't be left unchallenged when you accuse the Labour Party of demonising the working class. What planet are you on? I do worry for the intellectual state of this country at the moment. It's actually quite depressing

[@homohawk]

@@Bille994 Thank you for saying this!

[@pamcolechadwell1302]

I wish I knew the China name, I love that pattern, It's just gorgeous.

[@PLuMUK54]

I think it is one of the Imari designs produced by several English companies.

[@seanconnors9912]

1:16 aaaaaaaahhhhh!!!

[@Kryu01]

Them- "Wow, these cut rounds are fantastic! So bready and savory" Me, an American Southerner- "....... thats a buttermilk biscuit" 🤣🤣 I learned to make those at 7 years old and they are the best! I love these historical farm series! I wish they'd make more!

[@markbolton4142]

do the Edwardian female use a yellow dye on the teeth to be more realistic for the time era they are portraying.

[@crabbycdntucktoyuktuck7903]

How sad to muzzle the calf. The look of confusion is his sweet eyes.

[@cob9834]

I’m surprised they don’t contract a dairy maid take care of the milking. But I guess it would make more sense if you had cows ready to milk

[@msamour]

Oh Yark! Crème anglaise! The worst cream ever! Only British people like this. Lol. It is kinda cool that you can freeze the custard.

[@justsean5774]

Oh if I had Ruth for a mother I tell you things would have definitely different maybe in the next life it'll be better

[@cob9834]

The cow would be more cooperative with grain rather than hay to enjoy eating while milking.

[@jackiesmithsmetaldetecting]

I live in a Edwardian house in Liverpool ( but i am from Yorkshire) was looking for how they used to party:)I love Ruth she really lives the time would love to meet her.Imagine if they had our new disease covid on those steam ships. But showing how you must be clean no germs for milking :)

[@indy_go_blue6048]

Don't you people know anything about history? In just 15 years or so these people would face the worst epidemic this world has ever seen, the Spanish flu which makes our "pandemic" look like a garden party.

[@shannonrobinson262]

We call these biscuits. Your biscuits we call cookies. Scones have egg and fruit. Muffins are what you would call cakes. I’m going to try to make clotted cream.

[@randypritchettbehymer8737]

Merry Ruth Goodman is a national treasure. I’ve binged the various Farm series and the one sure thing across the board is her cheerful spirit (even while on her hands and knees scrubbing a floor while wearing a CORSET for God’s sake). Thank you, Ruth Goodman!

[@diananievesavellanet]

Oh, yes without a doubt! She practically inspires, what wonderful history the British have--in ANY ERA! 👍

[@shaenj]

I agree with what you said about Ruth expect she sure has a habit of talking over others. She needs to be told about that.

[@alyssatjj]

Ruth is great, but corsets aren't nearly as restrictive as many make us believe! Except for the most stylish fashionistas of the period, nobody did tight lacing. Instead corsets were worn much like the modern day bra: not too tight, not too loose

[@jaimer4239]

Yes! Ruth is a wonderful gem

[@albertafarmer8638]

Yes but there's no need to use our LORD'S name in vain.

[@PLuMUK54]

I don't know why, but I found this a very emotional episode. The love of Alex for the animals, the enthusiasm of Ruth for, well, absolutely everything (if only it could be bottled!), and Peter's quiet enjoyment of every new experience, are totally infectious. I got completely bound up with the excitement of it all. My maternal grandparents were around 20 years old at this time. I was imagining them visiting cousins back at the family farm in Shropshire, perhaps on Empire Day. I've thoroughly enjoyed this series, but this has certainly been my favourite episode so far.

[@katiezee2]

I really liked when Alex had started training his horse and the horse nudged his arm a little, a trusting & affectionate move

[@annwagner5779]

The elaborate preparation these shows must require is amazing - the locations, the many people gathered with their special backgrounds, the research, the costumes, the machines, the steamer, the ships, the crafts, the animals - it’s amazing how beautifully they bring it all together. Just love these! We forget all about the film crew, director, etc., invisibly there to show us the history we enjoy.

[@mangot589]

These really are amazing. They go all in. I love these, all of them. Tudor farm is my favorite, I guess because it was so long ago. Thanks for your uploads.

[@chrisa2735-h3z]

I wonder what Ruth is doing these days?🤔 I hope she's doing well.

[@JKelly756]

probs something related to this stuff considering this video just came out yesterday

[@galadballcrusher8182]

@@JKelly756 u confusing the fact it got uploaded recently with when this was produced and aired on tv.... years ago

[@JKelly756]

Galad Ballcrusher good point

[@chrisa2735-h3z]

gail handschuh thanks so much! Its nice to know she is doing something!

[@KimmieSunshine]

She’s so adorable! I love her laugh

[@gailhandschuh1138]

The TENNESSEE HORSE TRAINER THEY BROUGHT IN HAS TRAINED ALEX ALSO TO BE MORE PATIENT with the animals !!

[@darkfireeyes7]

Agreed. That scene reminded me of the work of Monty Roberts.

[@alleniversonisabeast]

He was a bit rough with the shire horses before huh?

[@civlyzed]

No need to yell

[@cathleensmith8474]

I have become addicted to this series. Wonderful way to learn about history. Well done. Ruth is a joy she makes everything seem jolly. The guys are great as well.