How The Fifth Element REALLY Ended (According To Science)

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They collected the stones, they professed their love, and blasted the evil planet before it had a chance to destroy the Earth. But… did they? I decided to nerd out and do the math and see what would actually happen if the 6th largest moon in the solar system was left hovering at the edge of space. Spoilers: it’s very, very bad.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - Intro
1:10 - Plot Speedrun
2:56 - The President's Men
3:56 - The Density Question
5:40 - Gravitational And Tidal Effects
8:05 - Roche Limit
9:44 - Scenario One
15:10 - Scenario Two
17:15 - Sponsor - Factor

[@mattgilbert7347]

I give the movie a pass on this. A Multipass.

[@Brian-uy2tj]

Very nice, Signed Mr. Zorg

[@craiglachman1379]

I believe it's called a "mooltipass."

[@mycosys]

coulda had Super Brown

[@gfdia35]

Lol good one

[@justinboyett8843]

Mull-T-pass

[@Big.Rik_]

"so important they dressed her in seatbelts to keep her safe" is pure gold🏆

[@smhdpt12]

Easy, cowboy. It's not THAT funny.

[@ricos1497]

@@smhdpt12 Pure silver?

[@bryanwilkens]

They were thermal bands. She has to stay warm.

[@wisdomleader85]

"Bruce Willis kissed her for love. She got so disgusted by it, that she vomited all the energy out."

[@bryanwilkens]

@@wisdomleader85 I'd probably do the same thing. He's just not my type.😁

[@theCodyReeder]

I kinda hate the "things start floating when the moon gets close" trope. That's not how gravity works! Things would only be pulled off of the earth if the thing coming in has a density greater than earth. Things will get lighter for sure, but unless it's solid iron or denser. the earth is going to win that tug of war. The equation for the Roche limit includes a term for the relative density of the objects. If you work it out you will see that the Roche limit for the denser body will always be inside the lower density body. Meaning they will crash into each other before objects start to be pulled off. Its not the strength of gravity that matters. In the case of the sun the gravity is stronger than earths but if the earth was crashing into it the whole earth would be in free fall. The only gravity that would be felt is the difference in the strength from one side of earth to the other and that would easily be overcome by earth's own gravity. If the outer layers of the sun didn't vaporize the earth. The earth would keep falling, intact until it got close enough to the sun's core that the overall density is higher than earth's. Earth is pretty dense in fact it has the highest density of all large bodies in the solar system so an object that has a higher density, especially with a density high enough to pull objects from significant range is a big ask. It would have to be a stellar remnant or something. Eh, maybe it is. It is fiction after all.

[@erinmac4750]

Ah, now we need a video with your rundown on what would happen.... Love seeing you around the comments-sphere! 🍀✌️😸 Edit: Or, perhaps you could address the multi-moon scenarios in other sci-fi, such as Arakis in Dune. I've always thought it would be cool to have more than one moon, but it seems like that is more destructive to the planets. It would be interesting to see if a scenario existed that would still yield a habitable planet. 🍀

[@Relhak11]

Just to add on here, you *would* feel a good bit lighter while between the earth and mini moon just 100 miles above your head. And the massive tidal forces, atmospheric turbulence, and earthquakes and volcanic eruptions would likely cause off the chart explosions and tornadoes that could eject you into the air. But yes, gravity would still point towards earth. You'd think Joe would have recognized this while explaining how parts of this moon-like objects would break off and fall to earth.

[@russdill]

Well, that and things like pyramids, the ground, etc, aren't exactly tied down.

[@terribleterrier1685]

Sorry Joe. Trust Cody on this one LOL

[@trex2621]

@@Relhak11 It depends, what you call a good bit. This thing would have roughly 1/10 of surface gravity of the Earth. So probably barely noticeable 10%. (I ignore distance as it is small compared to radius)

[@johno812]

Joe Scott, there were two critical details that you missed at the beginning. 1. “Mr. Shadow” was not coming here to impact the planet. He was coming to destroy all life in the universe. 2. He was supposed to stand in the same place as the 5th element and instead of sending out the beam that creates life, he would create the “anti-life” beam. These two critical points mean that if they were going to continue with this plot. “Mr shadow” who could bring mass in from his realm to be created; would have the ability to change his mass and size. To hold true to the story line, he would have had to have been decreasing his mass so that he could stand in the center of the other 4 elements. Even the last image makes him look like a much smaller version of his original self. When I watched the movie the first time when it came out. Those details were clearly not addressed; and I figured 62 miles was too close. But since this space traveling civilization was not concerned; you can assume they have done the calculations of its current mass and position and don’t see it as a problem. That being said, almost every science fiction movie and series gets “space” and physics wrong. The Expanse was probably the most accurate out of all of the TV series and Movies that I have seen. I was kind of glad that 5th element didn’t get too much into the science or technology; just how people who lived in it changed their culture. Which is why I still love watching this movie. What I love is that they thought we would have anti-gravity cars; and faster than light travel. But no personal “smart phones”. Remember Zorg’s office still had the secretary and the phone with the different lines? Remember, Zorg’s hit man had to use a pay phone to call? Corbin even was notified he was fired and won the sweepstages through a futuristic vacuum tube delivery service. No email, no text, no pagers, no digital media. This is what nearly all science fiction writers get wrong; they always think our current communication and Information Technology remains stagnant while we discover new physics and engineer the impossible. AI, VR, AR, and implants development could make for a much more amazing and compelling story. We could radically change how we interact with each other long before we solve gravity and FTL. I would love for you to explore that in one of your episodes.

[@iphgfqweio]

tl;dr?

[@zincer2]

Fun fact, the main antagonist (zorg) and the protagonist (Corbin Dallas) never actually meet each other, the closest they get was when Corbin was leaving the cruise ship and was feet from Zorg, but they never saw each other

[@Lethgar_Smith]

Fun fact, Corbin Dallas actually broke his toe when he kicked that alien's ass.

[@Mr-Evil-Dave]

Lilu is also a protagonist in the film and does meet Zorg.

[@0wlet290]

@@Mr-Evil-Dave She is a deuteragonist and her name is Leeloo

[@Mr-Evil-Dave]

@@0wlet290 only she is not second in importance, she's actually the most important character in the story, so could definitely be considered a protagonist. Ruby Rhod could be considered a deuteragonist.

[@Ricksteady8]

@@hypotheticalaxolotl Was a joke buddy, sorry it flew right over your grumpy little head.

[@veenoir1991]

"She's so important, they dressed her in seat belts to kep her safe." Best Joe line ever.

[@CocoaBeachLiving]

I would add: Lucky seat belts... 😅😅

[@maxximmc]

Ruby Rod's screaming over the disaster footage sent me rolling 😂🤣

[@moonasha]

80s and 90s sci fi movies had so much damn soul. 5th element. The Abyss. Terminators. Blade Runner. Matrix. Robocop. Starship Troopers. They really just don't make them like they used to...

[@dustman96]

Newer movies suck. You are spot on. I'm taking back my like though cause you didnt mention alien.

[@Paulkjoss]

@@dustman96…lol 😂

[@PaxAlotin]

@@dustman96 I'm taking back my like because you didn't mention 'Space-Balls'

[@emarsk77]

@@dustman96 To be fair, Alien isn't from the 80s or 90s. (I agree it's one of the best, though).

[@dustman96]

@@emarsk77 You are correct, 1979, should have said alien(s)

[@JonCoutu]

So you’re saying The Fifth Element wasn’t the documentary I thought it was?

[@Quijanos1]

😂

[@canis2020]

It's not? Hold up. What about Elf?

[@jemimalamb78]

😂

[@nevergiveup5939]

Why are we here in this life? Why do we die? What will happen to us after death?

[@mycosys]

Dammit i wanna record a blue alien with pipes :'(

[@Luke-ow9ku]

Evil floats, its why they used to throw witches in the river. The greatest evil has the least density. It stopped at the Karmen line because its floating at the edge of the atmosphere.

[@kleinwolf35]

Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science? That would make Mr. Evil a duck, would it not?

[@handlesshouldntdefaulttonames]

I, too, had to pause when he began to calculate the density of the planetoid sized ball of ancient evil.

[@TonyMiller423]

So if Mr. Shadow weighs the same as a duck, that means it's made of wood.

[@benberry792]

Woah

[@CleanPowerAuto]

Then you wouldn’t need a 5th element , evil fluffy ball would just bounce off earth on it’s own 😂

[@skipbellon2755]

In the real ending, Rocky and Bullwinkle zoom up to the Great Evil and apply a coat of "upsidaisyum", which counter acts the effect of the gravity.

[@rsweeneydhl]

I prefer to use the term plot-hole-ium. Plotholium is a substance that acts immediately on cue as the director and story writers want rather than following any known laws of physics or ammunition limitations. Ergo the planet was 100% pure plotholium.

[@skipbellon2755]

That is a good catch all term. But upsidaisium has already filled a creative niche that is specifically for anti gravity. I will definitely use plotholeium for general needs. That is a perfect term.

[@sortaspicey9278]

Also, speaking of Bruce Willis, if you made a video about FTD, I would probably cry. My father was diagnosed within 2019 and it's the most vile awful damning disease anyone could really have

[@brandonr.2807]

One of the all time best movies. Can't count the number of times we would catch part of it on TBS or TNT and immediately stop flipping channels and watch. So good.

[@darlenefraser3022]

I love it too!

[@mickeymcdoogle119]

I never laughed so hard watching a movie!

[@Anarchy421]

It's "ma favorite"

[@mhoop1]

that's a steadfast rule for me/ if i'm at the point of just looking for ~anything~ to watch i won't do better than the 5th element, so if i come across it my search is done!

[@movement2contact]

Same with Terminator 2, Die Hard, Aliens, Robocop, Mortal Kombat, some others... 😏👴🏻

[@hawkdsl]

"she KNOWS it's a multi pass." One of the greatest fun films of all time.

[@raymitchell9736]

I like how you "FIXED" the ending to an uplifting movie about love and happiness and gave us the destruction and mayhem we were all hoping for. Joe, you never disappoint... keep being you! LOL

[@backwashjoe7864]

What you meant to say and show @5:10 was, "The diameter is 1931 km. We use the radius, which is (1931 km)/2 = 965.5 km. We cube the radius and then multiply by (4/3)*pi to get the volume, which is 3.77 x 10^9 km^3. We convert the assumed density to kg/km^3 (to match the km^3 in the calculated volume), which gives 3.346 x 10^12 kg/km^3. Now we multiply the volume times the density, and we get 1.26 x 10^22 kg for the mass." You got the right answer, but there are so many typos, side steps, and shortcuts, that I gave up on trying to annotate in the corrections. And yes, I'm proud to have been nerd sniped, if that was your goal!

[@mindshelfpro]

The 5th element is one my favourite movies of all time. I love to watch it over and over.

[@dotFAFO]

"Do you want some more? "

[@TheRealCeeJai]

"Shye's so important they dressed her in seatbelts to keep her safe" is probably the best comment of the many, many I have EVER heard on Leelu's costume and definitely your best one-liner to date!

[@lorn4867]

This movie is so loved, I was happy Joe made some fair jokes. 😂

[@buzzyinurface]

I love when I’ve hardly made it through a Monday, and at the end of the day I get to unwind to one of your videos 😊

[@sunflower9611]

You've spent time on this, and I'm guessing it's because it brings you joy. If it makes you happy, then it's time well spent, not wasted. I find it fascinating to ponder all these things and figure them out. I prefer it when my sci-fi and fantasy stories follow scientific principles instead of breaking them. I think this is my favorite video of your so far. Thank you.

[@estraume]

A very French movie where Bruce Willis plays the typical Bruce Willis hero and Gary Oldman as the bad guy, and then add Milla Jovovich as the lead woman and you get entertainment.

[@nevergiveup5939]

Why are we here in this life, why do we die, what will happen to us after death.

[@handlesshouldntdefaulttonames]

@@nevergiveup5939 Don't start watching NDE's!

[@GeekBatman]

Gary Oldman is a great villain but also a great hero. Think Leon the Professional and the Nolan Batman trilogy.

[@barongerhardt]

@@GeekBatman Easily makes the short list of greatest living actors.

[@GeekBatman]

@@barongerhardt Easily!! I think he qualifies as a National Treasure. I heard that he had to hire a vocal coach to relearn how to speak his natural British accent. That was because of using the American accent for so many movies. I think that alone serves to show how popular he was. EDIT: typo

[@barometricfunk]

If there isn't already, there should be an entire KZbin channel of videos like this where someone looks at old movies and finds these kinds of science-based plot holes. Please tell me where they are so I can watch them - and Joe, you should totally make more of these.

[@doktormcnasty]

A series like this would be great, for sure.

[@JeoshuaCollins]

Austin's "The SCIENCE! of..." videos on Shoddycast come close, just mostly for video games. kzbin.info/aero/PL7pGJQV-jlzAYDaFfr5P8pRlxrHrvHAh7

[@InvasionAnimation]

Film theory is like that. Shoddycast as well but that one does video games too.

[@hondaguy9153]

Roanoke gaming, it's mostly horror movies though.

[@screes620]

Back when Matt Pat was still around, he did the Film Theory youtube channel.

[@jimmycaughlin7033]

One of your recent best videos! Do more like this w/ movie scenario tie-ins 🙏

[@matd675]

7:18 This wouldnt happen. Even if "Mr Shadow" was sitting on your head, Earth's surface gravity would still be stronger than Mr Shadows. No-one would be flying anywhere.

[@marcosolo6491]

Yeah, Joe krapped the bed on this one (there are several other mistakes). He should have consulted an actual scientist, or even a grad student in physics.

[@tommyfrerking]

My thought is this: It is stated that "If Evil stands there" (in the center of the temple with the stones) all turns to darkness. This implies that Mr. Shadow must need to shrink down to humanoid size. I propose that it was shrinking as it got closer to Earth in order to fit in the temple so perhaps it continued to shrink after being hit by the Care Bear Stare.

[@gregsquires6201]

I'm not sure violating conservation of matter with a planet shrinking to the mass of a person is any more realistic than a planet hovering above Earth without gravity. I think we may have to accept that the movie wasn't completely realistic.

[@PaxAlotin]

In another Universe he would have become The Dark Lord - Sauron.

[@TK199999]

So space magic.

[@PaxAlotin]

@@TK199999 Pretty much. The Universe is out there - so I'm hiding in the shed.

[@brianbeswick]

Wouldn’t the dark planet also exert a gravitational pull on the moon for a short period before it impacts in both scenarios? Pulling the moon out of its orbit and eventually past the Roche limit and causing a second impact on the magnitude of Thea?

[@joescott]

Dammit you’re right. Good point!

[@MariaMartinez-researcher]

@@joescott Or, pulling the Moon out of its orbit and replacing it?

[@supermaster2012]

The moon is too far away to ever spiral inward, it would just be ejected into the solar system.

[@ChrispyNut]

@@joescott Time to rip the whole thing down for a rewrite, film, edit and upload. 😜

[@M4TCH3SM4L0N3]

​@@joescott yeah, I refuse to "like" this video until you solve the three body problem and use it to calculate the accurate way this film should have ended!

[@grumblycurmudgeon]

This was my favorite AWJ in years. Well done!

[@brentpalmer4576]

Thank you for such a wonderful deep dive on this. I’ve also watched it over a thousand times and always wondered about this!

[@crss29]

I postulate that you are wrong about Mr. Shadow's cadaver's density. Mr. Shadow was a "ball of flame", therefore plasma, and his corpse is evidently solid. So I put forth that this new celestial body is at most an aerogel, with a possible density of 0,0011g/cm^3. You can calculate the effect of that.

[@ghyslainabel]

The novelization of the original script had more information. It was clear from that book that the Moon is and ancien Mr. Shadow solidified into rocks.

[@Cythil]

@@ghyslainabel Back then, Mr. Shadows where made out of Thoughter material! ;)

[@russdill]

See, and I postulate that the mile was long since retired and unused for so long, that at some point it saw a resurgence as shorthand for "1,000 kilometers"

[@Cythil]

@@russdill A Scandinavian mile is 10km. Off by a lot but still. Still used as a unit here in Sweden.

[@EbonyPope]

Exaxtly my thoughts. A super low density body would almost have not effect.

[@kenlantz4906]

It's 200B people in the entire federation of planets. Not all on earth specifically.

[@SeaBeast4Life]

Came to comment this, he might not even mean they're all human either...

[@joescott]

Mmm… AKSHUALLY… He was worried about the ones on Earth because that’s what’s threatened. (I’ve never AKSHUALLY’d a comment before)

[@michaelross1452]

He says "200 billion of my fellow citizens" he was refering to earth only. Since mr shadow was on course for his planet, earth. He is the president of the federated territories but the movie does not imply anything else beyond that. What they are or maybe he is president of earth and countries and borders no longer exist. Deep dive on a fun film.

[@Striderbankis]

@@joescott I hate to AKSHUALLY your AKSHUALLY... BUT at that point in the movie it was just an growing object in the middle of nowhere space. I used to think in orbit of Jupiter because of the gas giant the military ship fly by however they never state that so it could be anywhere. Mr Shadow was not on it's trajectory course towards Earth yet so from the President of the Federated Territories perspective it could be a threat to any of the Federation's territories. Now, what I want to know is how in the universe does the giant line of space stop lights that the Mondoshawan have to go through when they are returning to Earth just before getting shot down work. I mean you see a random planet in the background so like where is it? Is at the edge of the there territories, if so they would need quintillion or sextillion of those space stop lights to surround the Federation.

[@lisipilz]

I am so glad you spent time on this! I love this movie! I even have a cat named Leeloo😊 who has sisters called Laika, Orbit and Sputnik (because the space theme at naming our cats is a thing). This is now one of my favourite videos. Thank you so much ❤️

[@LukeDodge916]

One of my absolute favorite flicks ever. Saw it in theaters 3 times... This movie is why I have nostalgia dependency. God I miss that time (the 90s) I fixed your problem and you can edit your video now: after Mr Shadow's now-dead form arrived at 62 miles above Earth, it broke down to it's constituent atoms and scattered into the atmosphere, where he will remain apart of all of us forever.

[@mirrormimi]

Why did I have so much fun looking at Earth getting completely destroyed? I blame Joe, he made it too much fun.

[@MoonWomanStudios]

Well, it is an election year

[@mirrormimi]

@@MoonWomanStudios where?

[@KG-VanityInKnickers]

It's the sole reason I have seen 2012 well over 100 times..😁

[@Parpyduck]

Read Seveneves by Neal Stephenson. It's about the moon breaking apart and the pieces being pulled into Earth by gravity and the ~2 years we have to figure a way to ensure some humans can carry the torch and wait out the aftermath for some 5,000+ years while the planet is still a roiling molten hell. I love this book so much

[@vronv]

Well done. You addressed and answered the suggested hypothesis.

[@ChrispyNut]

Oh, are you Jill Scott? What a coincidence that you sound just like Jill Biden speaking to Joe Biden.

[@doktormcnasty]

@@ChrispyNut Sounded like the opposite to me. In the case of our OP the assessment isn't political, for one.

[@vronv]

@@ChrispyNutguess

[@nicholas87541]

I enjoy watching your videos. I haven't watched The Fifth Element, but still watched this. Good video. Factor ad gets an ad in the middle of it... haha

[@SummitSummit]

Thanks for this Joe. I've thought about it a number of times when watching this wonderful popcorn flick, but never taken the time to actually do the maths. Wonderful presentation.

[@CheshireSmile33]

In my Receptionist era I based my personality on Zorgs secretary and it was so fun and worth it.

[@mortenBP]

​@@nevergiveup5939 -Love -Cycle -Nothing

[@tonyanthony5105]

@@nevergiveup5939on the most basic level you’re here to reproduce and teach your children. Past that, enjoy life, in my opinion heaven is on earth and what is next is likely just nothingness. Enjoy it while you can and don’t Jack it up for other people/beings.

[@Aaron_Brewer]

⁠@@nevergiveup5939that’s a interesting comment to post on someone else’s comment and what will happen we all don’t truly know and we will all find out

[@CheshireSmile33]

@@nevergiveup5939 never give up searching

[@GoetianOwl]

@@nevergiveup5939 humans have been asking these questions for... well, as long as they existed I guess.

[@tdurran]

The density of mister shadow wasn't what you were assuming. If it had already reached 62 miles when it was stopped, you'd already be seeing full effects like the ones you described. That level of effects wasn't visible in the film.

[@johncouch9062]

That was an excellent analysis of the movie’s end, Neil. Thanks.

[@BobWhere]

Thanks for spending time on this

[@rustkitty]

It would've been better if the energy beam lasted just a few seconds longer with the animation showing the dead moon accelerating away, into the Sun. Since the scenes afterwards show that the word did not actually end there is a continuity error either way. So imagining that the camera just cut away too soon, or that the character saying the "62 miles" misspoke both makes more sense than assuming the worst.

[@pault151]

^THIS. FWIW the scene that he says shows the dead planet moving, stationary above Earth, was probably the planet totally still while Earth rotated beneath it. Its approach was, for continuity's sake, timed so that it would be immediately over the pyramid. This really isn't significantly tougher than just hitting Earth at all when coming from interstellar distances, and it allowed the 5th Element to be in its proper place, in the pyramid. If her beam was strong enough to stop a hurtling planet without fragmenting it, it could also be strong enough to just bounce that sucker back into space, intact (acts on the entire mass of the planet uniformly). Those who were smart enough to line all of this up thousands of years into the future, were smart enough to know about the planet-killing tendencies. If the arriving planet was just a burning shell rather than a solid mass (hey, no more unlikely than the rest of this) then perhaps its mass was small enough and present for a short enough time to not disrupt our Moon's orbit terribly much. So, nice try, Joe, reasonable calculations, just not what the creators had in mind.

[@ChristopherPetersonR2d2]

A lady shot a laser out of her mouth. Magical plot armor probably defeats science in this scenario

[@joesterling4299]

A laser that killed a moon-sized evil entity, no less, powered by love.

[@EksaStelmere]

There was a literal evil god in it, bro. Don't bring hard science into this.

[@clonefan9472]

Yeah, luckily I read all the comments, I was getting ready to post this same thing.

[@moonasha]

seriously, if the power of love can stop an evil moon, then that same power could put it into some kind of stable orbit that won't wreak havoc with the tides, or just shoot it back off into space. In fact the shot at the end could be the thing moving way, it's just so big you wouldn't be able to tell

[@johannaverplank4858]

Great video! I’d love to see future videos with the same concept; films that appear to have a happy ending but not according to science. Good films.

[@daveladson11]

Great vid Joe, really enjoyed the break down

[@theoptimisticskeptic]

17:00 Maybe the moral of the story is: While Love does conquer a LOT, it simply does not conquer Orbital Mechanics? Love vs Gravity? Gravity Wins Everytime!

[@jrcorsey]

This theory explains the lives of many of the people I went to high school with

[@fcgHenden]

Tested this with my ex. Checks out. ✅

[@Ptaaruonn]

For the Elder Scrolls fans, we have a Baar Dau situation, someone please call Vivec.

[@davidhalbleib2467]

It's a hell of a coincidence that the city of Vivec happens to be a bunch of pyramid shaped buildings. 🤔

[@magnemoe1]

Yes, but it was just hundreds something meters across some hundreds meter up, wipe the city but just a very bad rock slide. Not enough to trigger the red mountain volcano unless already on an hair trigger.

[@Ptaaruonn]

Different, but same, but different.

[@privateinformation2960]

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaary.........

[@jovalleau]

@@magnemoe1 But it did cause Red Mountain to erupt, didn't it? From UESP: "In 4E 5, without anything holding it up, Baar Dau resumed its long-delayed fall, returning to the momentum it had before being halted. This obliterated the city of Vivec, leaving a crater which would become Scathing Bay. In turn, the impact created tsunamis which ravaged mainland Morrowind and caused Red Mountain to erupt, devastating Vvardenfell.[12] The disaster of the Red Year effectively ended the ascendancy of the Tribunal Temple and the mainstream worship of the Tribunal as gods.[13]"

[@Mike93527]

This was awesome. Never considered what would happen in a scenario like this and never would think so much would change

[@TerraChaos]

Oh my God, this very part of the movie always drove me crazy! Thank you for addressing this, and for drilling WAY down on the physics of it all!!

[@crystalBall9287]

Great now i want to watch The Fifth Element again 😂

[@nevergiveup5939]

Why are we here in this life? Why do we die? What will happen to us after death?

[@charcoal386]

It did not adhere to gravitational rules. It was moving itself through space

[@MarkHarrison-bo3kf]

Then it died and became a common rock.

[@_Diana_S]

@@MarkHarrison-bo3kf Why rock and not a clump of slightly dusty hydrogen?

[@joearnold6881]

@@_Diana_S because it remained a sphere and didn’t act like a smallish (on planetary scale) cloud of gas? It’s not a fusing planet and it’s not a gas giant, some dirty hydrogen wouldn’t sit there shaped like a planet

[@MarkHarrison-bo3kf]

@@_Diana_S Cheese! It 'twas cheese I tells ya!

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@_Diana_S "Because it's dull, you twit! It'll hurt more!" Oops. Wrong movie. 😃

[@therocinante3443]

Great idea for a video. Bravo, Joe!

[@RealBradMiller]

Love the commentary and the pop-up facts on the DVD.

[@tully667]

Evil Joe, I now think that Zorg is one of your descendants. You really should have done this episode wearing a Zorg plastic hairpiece.

[@i8saj]

This totally leaves out that there does not exist a particle dense enough to stop Mr Shadow at all. This was a bonus question on a Dynamic Physics test I took in college.

[@williambrasky3891]

If Lilu had used the element of hole instead of love, she could’ve saved earth by creating a temporary black one a bit farther out from earth, giving Mr Shadow a little tug job to throw off his vector so he’d fly right past earth & into the great beyond. Of course, that’d have required her to give it up a little earlier and not be such a prude. So basically, intergalactic slut shaming doomed us all. How did I do, professor? Do I get full credit?

[@screes620]

TBF, there also wouldn't have been a particle that exists to propel it to such speeds in the first place... which to me means it must have had less density/mass when it was "alive" and then when it dies it condenses into normal matter. Maybe it was that Dark Energy you all seem to think exists everywhere.

[@poolhalljunkie9]

​@@screes620"You all think exists?" Umm, I'm pretty sure we know it exists at this point. Maybe not officially because we haven't been able to directly detect it but we have definitely indirectly detected it and according to the models that's the best explanation for some gravitational anomalies or something like that. Then again I'm no astrophysicist so I may be wrong.

[@privateinformation2960]

@@williambrasky3891 yeah but i think that might have drastically affected its classification rating and where it could be shown publically. i dont think club x cinemas make as much money as Hoyts.

[@privateinformation2960]

@@screes620 isnt there a rule where the closer to light speed something is the more relative mass it has? therefore theoretically if you could get something propelled at relativistic speeds you could potentially do that, or more than likely would just donkey punch it at plaid speed through the middle with the rest of it falling back to earth. And lets not go in to just how much energy you would need to propel that thing to that speed in the first place. youd brown out the universe for a start, and if we survive wed end up with annoyed Centauriians paying us a visit telling us to knock that s**t off the constant parties, radio noise, and atomic bomb blasts are one thing but ffs quit overloading the damn power grid.

[@goodguysgunsllc9369]

Myself and 4 friends went through this exact scenario years ago! There's nothing wrong with nerding out my friend!

[@TheTimB]

This has bugged me for 27 years (and that makes me feel so old!). Thanks for breaking it down as to exactly how big a problem it would be.

[@BlizzAz]

I just assumed it was for the most part hollow which would allow "Mr. Shadow" to expand and contract as he needed, and once he was killed, the shell shrunk down to a more manageable (and hollow) size. He was basically a hermit crab... a space hermit crab.

[@SirTomFoolery]

I'm still waiting for the 6th element to come out

[@jeremygalloway1348]

Don't need any element additional to lelu

[@MasterBears23]

We have 78 Fast and Furious movies and only one element movie. Thanks Joe Biden

[@mycosys]

OK but what about The Fifth Elephant?

[@simplyhuman3982]

​@@mycosys😂

[@ChrispyNut]

That's what she said?!?!?!

[@LC-san]

I honestly really liked this video. Beyond just liking The Fifth Element and space stuffs, I like that you did a sort of 'What if?' on what would actually happen in a movie. Would love to see more like this every so often. More videos goings, "What would actually happen in this movie? Cause science!"

[@albertcanales9316]

Awesome video this week!

[@richardcoughlin8931]

I have two cats. The big male is named Korben. The female is Leeloo.😊🎉

[@ChrispyNut]

Is one shaved, whilst the other wrapped in seatbelts? :D

[@richardcoughlin8931]

@@ChrispyNut Tempting, but no.😜

[@CleanPowerAuto]

Do Leeloo’s hairballs remind you of energy weapon from the movie?

[@richardcoughlin8931]

@@CleanPowerAuto Excellent guess! She’s a prolific producer of hair balls that she leaves in various places around the house.

[@russward2612]

Please give both of them treats and scritches for me. 🐈🐈‍⬛👑🖖✌️

[@gwcrispi]

Seriously, who hasn't watched this movie at least a thousand times? This is on my list of movies that I watch every time I happen upon it.

[@akadlibking325]

You're a good nerd my friend. Stay true. I loved this video so thanks.

[@everything777]

This is the best idea for a video on this channel for ages

[@servin_goose316]

Only the best movies can be played on loop

[@nedflanders4158]

I thought it ended up as a second moon. Also meaning the first moon is evidence of the evil being defeated previously.

[@RichO1701e]

a 2nd moon that's a HELL of a lot closer than the current one

[@Americanamae]

Was not expecting that segue into Factor’s 2-minute meals. 😆👌 Well-thought-out video, all the way through!

[@lucassalomon3144]

Great episode! I love this movie and never thought about this, I did think about the Moon beenan older Mr Evil.

[@Meatball2022]

A Chris Tucker masterpiece.

[@corausr]

Green?

[@Caffin8tor]

​​@@corausrsuper green💚!

[@smolmoru]

the options between scenario one and scenario two are nothing more than: do you want a fast death or a mildly slower one?

[@speakertoanimals]

great movie, great great t-shirt, and brilliant way to sneak math and physics into fun.

[@bnthern]

good thinking - keep it up!

[@SuperJoesutton]

Here is the crazy thing I noticed on my recent rewatch of Fifth Element that bugged me. I am not sure how I never noticed it before. After the scene set in the past and the scene with the planet taking out the ship that shot space missiles at it, everything between Corbin waking up and the scene where they use the five elements to take out the evil comet thing... all takes place in one day. These scene with the restaurant ship that flies up to his window is lunch. So everything before that is in the morning before lunch. Several times in the movie they mention that the Diva will be singing at the space hotel that night. It all happens in one day. Which is nuts to me. That is a lot of stuff to fit in one day.

[@miker953]

It was a Monday. Everybody hates Mondays.

[@SuperJoesutton]

@@miker953 that makes sense. It's was a rough day. It looked like a Monday.

[@Rainfall7]

@@SuperJoesutton no it doesn't happen over one day. When they leave for the cruise, its clearly an evening or night in the movie and then they go into hybernation for unspecified amount of time. They arive around 3 pm local time and they leave again around evening from that planet. Once again we don't know how long they traveled back to Earth, when they arive around evening (though when it gets dark in Egypt I have a feeling it might have been the shadow of the Mr. Shadow).

[@SamSchott1]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy fast space ships!

[@SuperJoesutton]

@@Rainfall7 I'm telling you. I just watched it the other day. It all happens in one day. Except the first two scenes and the last scene. If it takes a long time to fly back and forth from Paradise, how does Zorg do it so quickly?

[@Beldizar]

Ok, so I think your first case is wrong. Assuming a moon-like object basically doesn't have a terminal velocity, and that it falls with an acceleration of 10m/s2, it should be traveling at 1.4km/s after 140 seconds, and would have traveled 100km. So I could be getting the math wrong here, but that means the whole "falling to Earth" bit, only takes a little over 2 minutes. I don't think that is enough time for it to break apart, or cause hurricanes or floods. It would just drop and explode on the surface. If it was spiraling in over the course of a day or two, I think you are spot on, but I think if it is just hovering, and falls straight down, it hits in less than 3 minutes.

I also _really_ don't see how a smaller celestial object with a lower density than Earth would be able to pick people off the surface. Earths gravity _has_ to be stronger than that of the new moon.

[@kevinwalker2529]

Agreed. The center of gravity will still be far inside the earth.

[@privateinformation2960]

maybe im completely oversimplifying it and my math isnt great but every answer i come up with converts directly to 'Oh f*ck'

[@privateinformation2960]

@@kevinwalker2529 maybe the worlds "healthy at any size' crowd would just end up with some kind of uncontrollable urge to walk towards the direction their body is feeling lighter around.

[@TheNexGFXDesigner]

Really enjoyed this one!

[@awedelen1]

Thanks for reminding me of this movie. I haven't seen it in years.

[@ericedwards3325]

@joescott, you say that trees and buildings would be ripped out of the ground, but wouldn't the earths gravity still be stronger and keep everything tethered?

[@hermanrobak1285]

Yes. The "rapture" would require the approaching "moon" to have a much higher surface gravity than Earth. Though, maybe the updraft would be intense enough to lift people? (The air would expand towards the moon)

[@shaneseward7139]

Yes, people would not float off the surface of the Earth like as in Moonfall.

[@screes620]

When the moon is directly overhead, you weigh approx .5g lighter because of gravity. If this is 200x stronger gravity to that because of the closer distance, that would mean you'd be around .1kg lighter. So yea.... measurably lighter than normal, but not flying off the surface of the planet.

[@RRSmurf]

​@@screes620Thank you. I shall now forever weigh myself when the moon is directly above me 😅

[@dahak972]

I can’t believe this movie wasn’t scientifically correct.😂

[@btakin8737]

Ok Joe this is my all time favorite Joe video! You get a multi pass on some of the physics but you DID. A ton of work😊 I love science entertainment, way more satisfying that science communication. Loved it!!!

[@vulcanfeline]

thanks for that /s i had that movie queued up to watch this afternoon. hehe

[@homer6801]

The fifth element makes for a great band name

[@mycosys]

SO many

[@nevergiveup5939]

Why are we here in this life? Why do we die? What will happen to us after death?

[@Kingpincognito]

There's a song called "The 7th Element" by Vitas.

[@PhilRounds]

I just re-watched the 5th Element recently...yeah, that's rock. it will deorbit due to friction with the upper atmosphere and land somewhere destroying all life as we know it. OR....maybe it was given enough momentum when it formed to escape Earth's gravity well.

[@tenaciousgamer6892]

I remember it being pushed by the beam before it became the moon like object. If it obeys physics it would not stop moving away.

[@marcpym5251]

@@tenaciousgamer6892 As Joe explained, even if it does move, just a minute of being so close to Earth would cause earthquakes, floods and volcanic eruptions, then it would break apart and debris would spiral down on Earth, even if the main mass was hurled away somehow. Also, I wondered if it is a particle/energy beam shot through Lilu towards Mr. Shadow (which, of course, would vaporize her from the energy output alone, but still),. Then, the energy needed to stop Mr. Shadow would a) have to be immense and b) push back Earth with the same amount of force. And because that beam is shot over just a few seconds, its force against Earth right where Lilu is would be almost as catastrophic as an impact.

[@tenaciousgamer6892]

​@@marcpym5251 It would not break up completely if was moving away, I'm not saying none of it wouldn't break, but it would reduce it. Certainly the gravitation tidal forces would fuck up the earth. But depending on the speed of movement It might spare the earth of the most of it. But yah if it was powerful enough to move that moon, not only would it push the earth, it would have broken Bruse's arms too, likely killed her in the process. I personally think it was hollow ball, with a energy being inside which, the beam as well as pushing the hollow sphere which energies were dispersed by the added energy.

[@dr_joel_fm]

Good work. Very nice

[@deedubs1180]

Oddly enough, I always wondered about the effects of such a celestial body floating around so close to Earth. Thank you.

[@paposeco06]

Multipass!

[@WalterHildahl]

The movie wasn't about science or asteroids. It was about good and evil. And about NEVER giving up the fight.

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

Thanks, captain, obvious.

[@zedulon7]

Thank You for this video

[@Chillinchillin8]

Because you actually put your sponsored ad at the END of your video I actually chose to keep it on and watch the ad.

[@MagnitudePerson]

Holy shit, I didn't even realize there was a moon in that scene, i only remember the laser hitting it and thats it. I dont remember there was a moon afterwards

[@zoltanposfai3451]

It amazes me that he doesn't see the internal contradictions in his own statements. - The new moon is torn to pieces by the gravity of the Earth. Cosmic booms from the fragments falling into the atmosphere. etc. vs. - People and trees starting to fall up.

[@zoltanposfai3451]

@@Sammasambuddha People and trees on the ground don't "fall up", as the gravity of the Earth is still larger there (until things cross the Lagrange 1 point). That goes for the air, too. People will stay on the ground, until they get squished by the impacting moon.

[@TheSkystrider]

I noticed this issue (two possible scenarios) the very first time I watched it. Still one of my favorite movies!

[@KaineTremaine]

Bravo 👏 Great episode

[@jasonthomashorn4794]

More of these please, overthinking for the win!

[@MTimWeaver]

This was great. We watch it at least 2x per year (Jul 4 and NYE) to make enough noise to help drown out fireworks and keep our dog "calmer". And we never thought about this. Thanks for mathing it all for us. :)

[@michaelmacunfiltered667]

Wow, I was feeling down before I watched this. Now I'm feeling so positive and hopeful 😂

[@Musicswagg86]

That Segway into factor was so smooth, factor called me with a special deal.

[@wendyolson92800]

Super Green!! 💚 This is one of my all time favorite movies. Often wondered what happened next.

[@maureensutton1816]

Can see you spent time on this❤. I'm pretty sure you have worn 3 T Shirts which at the this point would suggest 3 days with but necessarily is the case

[@markallendelisle]

Awesome video 👏 👏 👏

[@johnweb7055]

Thank you. I’ve had the same thought since I first saw this movie. And yes, it’s a cinematic masterpiece that taught me about love and sacrifice 25 years ago.