How The Ghoul Stayed Alive For 219 Years In Fallout Season 1

[@Andyman269]

Anyone who actually played the games knows ghouls can live a long time the salesman at the start of fallout 4 was still alive after the player awoke from cryo

[@twopiecehoxton]

Yeah this video is just for people who haven't played the game or just didn't pay attention to the lore trying to solve a "mystery" thats already been explained in the games. Idk I'm only one episode in though, maybe they changed some stuff up with the lore. Who knows?

[@tonyblake7569]

Plus wasn't there a little boy trapped in a fridge since the bombs dropped, same game? Like the sales rep could have gotten the chemical, but not the boy.

[@jerryhufnagel5733]

@@tonyblake7569 Was not initial war - later bomb dropped on Shady Sands just handful years prior to show - boy (Maximus) was a resident of Shady Sands

[@tonyblake7569]

@@jerryhufnagel5733 you're thinking about the show. That also happened in the game, fall out 4.

[@johnritter6864]

Here is actually a side quest called 'boy in a fridge'. Lol

[@Sorenishii]

No, the ghoul is doing all those drugs because he has the addiction perk. He was doing Jet. That's why he had bad withdrawals, and he is basically a badass on chems. That's the addiction perk.

[@boraonline7036]

He might have a drug addiction, but that would not explain why he needs it to not turn into a farel Ghoul. So I doubt that what he needs to avoid it is Jet.

[@Sorenishii]

@boraonline7036 There isn't a drug that stops a ghoul from being feral. If they continue to be exposed to high levels of radiation then they turn feral. That is the addiction perk, what he has.

[@meiken417]

​Ghoul in the show turned feral because of not having any viles left or money to buy them @@Sorenishii

[@Sorenishii]

@meiken417 The show is supposed to be Canon to the games, so everything you seen was game related. There is no magic drug that keeps ghouls from turning feral. If a ghoul lives around toxic radiation over a long period of time, or no human contact, then they will go feral.

[@meiken417]

@@Sorenishii no. Did you watch the show?

[@Dzaal17]

I've been playing fallout since the 90's. The "'vials" we're talking about here are some new lore for the show. Ghouls either turn feral, or they don't. Some think that radiation exposure hastens the transformation, some don't. It's always depicted as random in the games. There is no "cure" for ghouls going feral. It's a matter of time. Perhaps Rad-X or RadAway might have some impact? Possibly. He's doing Jet. It's an inhalable meth-type drug. Think Slow-mo from Judge Dredd, the new adaptation. It's like that.

[@kirkyorg7654]

i agree with your assessment of the Ghouls i have also been playing since way back when, i think the yellow liquid is something the show has added in for some reason yet to be revealed

[@phillipkells]

Gloyfyi addiction 😮

[@TheBod76]

Bethesda created the lore and also created the show, they decide what is canon/lore.

[@MrEvanmcneilage]

The Ghoul literally has a scene where he confirms, when asked by the vault chick, that the little vials of yellow liquid are what stops him from going feral, as long as he takes it soon enough after he starts to show symptons. Outside of that, you are correct about the rest, with Genetic and Neurological factors playing a role in going Feral

[@MrEvanmcneilage]

@@TheBod76 Except they didn't...... they've simply owned it long enough to release 3, 4 and 76.

[@Speedwagon327-f8u]

I feel like it’s jet just due to how it looks and how it’s consumed plus it would kinda make sense it can keep his mind active and prevent him from turning feral

[@dribrom]

We encounters two friendly ghouls that are over 200 years old in Fallout 4, that takes place around the Boston area, as well. Cooper Howard is not the only ghoul that lived before 2077 in the Fallout universe that has his mental abilities intact.

[@boom5732]

The drug is jet I'm pretty sure, i think it keeps the mind active

[@suspiciouschicken]

It's not jet.

[@MrEvanmcneilage]

@@suspiciouschicken I'll also pitch in that while jet would definitely make your mind "active", it definitely isn't in a stable way, or one that's sustainable without serious negative mental effects.

[@silent_hunter515]

ya def not jet because drugs in the lore don't work on ghouls like medx jet a lot of things only drug that works well i guess 2 the stuff in the show and ultra jet

[@guntcheck]

No. According to lore, a ghoul needs nothing additional to survive that long and avoid going feral

[@cthrekgoru]

regular ghouls need something . Most turning feral other than exteremely mutated ones like glowing ones . They definitely need something to prevent detoriation...

[@dsprings8565]

​@@cthrekgoru Not originally

[@jacobanderson6551]

Rad away

[@cthrekgoru]

@@dsprings8565 Yeah but building on original is not bad . In fallout 1 and 2 they were like magical with no explanation . Bethesda deepen the lore . They are not without flaws anymore . Detoriation is a nice touch...

[@MrEvanmcneilage]

@@cthrekgoru Realistically, Bethesda doesn't need to explain, and didn't for 1,2,3,4 or even 76. The simple fact is that very little actual research has been done on Ghouls. Even most factions, simply do not have the resources or expertise, never mind the required equipment for that type of project, assuming Genetics really even managed to get far enough before the bombs fell. The agencies that do are very few and far between, and only the Enclave, and the Institute, really come to mind, and while I seem to recall the Enclave did do research, it was solely aimed at how to better eradicate them. The Institute was going in an entirely different direction from that research, or any benefits it would have provided.

[@Diebulfrog79]

Orginal designed as treatment for Asthma, develop further in the Alaskan War as anti decay/ wound battlefield aid use.

[@Datttsnake]

That would make alot of sense.

[@lancep2002]

In fallout 3 there was a ghoul scientist that gave a quest to gather sugar bombs cereal to help craft Ultrajet, it could be some variant of that. That’s in 2277, by the time of the show it could’ve spread all the way to the west coast

[@MrEvanmcneilage]

No, that scientist crafted Ultrajet because many ghouls, possibly even all, really experience no effects or side affects of most drugs, due to their physiology and the radiation in their bodies, and actually heal much better and faster from Rad exposure than they would from meds. That Scientist just wanted to get high. If I'm remembering the Lore right.

[@isaiahjames3835]

Cooper running around for 200 years trying to find Betty and she’s overseer of vault 33

[@Elidrys]

You confuse Betty with Barbara. Betty was the assistant that introduced Hank/Henry to Cooper. She was not his wife.

[@elitoby7734]

@@Elidrysoh shit. Gonna have to rewatch the show & piece it all together

[@cavscott8841]

He's not looking for Betty.

[@bragagd1618]

Dude, his family could be freezed, imagine their reaction seeing the way he turned, the guilt his wife would feel...

[@jadenthecommenter]

​@bragagd1618 my guess is him and his wife separated after he learned the truth hence why at the beginning of the show he was doing birthday parties. And when the bombs dropped and tried to go to the vault where is wife was they only took his daughter. I don't know if it's taken 200 years for Cooper to swallow the pill that the fact his wife is an evil b*tch 😂

[@suspiciouschicken]

People who played the games: uhhh huh sure

[@amauriherrera6022]

Ghouls have enhanced lifespans due to their very nature as Ghouls (a side effect of surviving massive radiation exposure) Jet helps them keep focused and also Ghouls are chem resistant Jet doesn't tickle them as much as it does a human; so they consume larger quantities of Jet to achieve the same effect a human would from consuming 1 vial of Jet. Now, one can speculate that long lifespan takes its toll on a mind and the Jet keeps their mind from breaking down and leading to going feral. Because not even Ghouls know for sure what triggers going feral, just that it eventually happens- in a way they consider it the end of their lifespan. It happens fast for some and very slow for others. Its one of the big mysteries of Ghoul lore. One thing is that Ferals don't attack Ghouls but Ghouls prefer interactive company like Humans or other sane Ghouls.

[@VergilDarkslayer]

Yes and no i dont remember in games anything about drugs but mkstly everyone theorize how bad you will get ghoulified as feural ghouls have some differences

[@amauriherrera6022]

@@VergilDarkslayer Murphy a ghoul hiding in a metro station tells you he will kill you if you are spying or trying to steal his research/formula on Ultra Jet. The reason, Ghouls are chem resistant and Jet hardly gives them a buzz. But he lacks a key ingredient that is hard to come by: Sugar Bombs. You can work out a deal with him. The doctor ghoul in Underworld, a wing of the museum of history at DC; studies feral ghouls because he believes he can find a cure to ghoulification or at the very least prevent going feral. He has regular ferals and 1-2 Glowing Ones.

[@antonfowler6582]

The lore states that massive radiation exposure can turn some people into ghouls . Even more rads turns them feral . EVEN more rads can trigger a transformation into a glowing one . Yet we have at least two glowing ones in the fallout games who are NOT feral . Jason brightman in new vegas and azh in the nuka world dlc for FO4 so clearly there is more to it than just radiation exposure possibly FEV might be involved . This is mentioned at the end of FO3 you receive a " anti fev " toxin from President eden. That is engineered to kill mutants created by fev . If you use this on the water supply in the end credits it mentions the creatures killed by it these include deathclaws . Supermutants. Mole rats AND the ghouls living in the museum .

[@Pomni3477]

Cooper is one of the best characters

[@superdave8248]

He is but his story is going to end on a sad note. His wife and daughter both are going to be part of some Enclave/Vault Tec program. Why do I think that? Because Teagan Meredith will have aged out of the original role if Janey was put in cryo soon after the bombs dropped. And yes, I think it was nothing short of a Hail Mary pass she even got in a vault to begin with. I suspect the show will indicate that Cooper was already starting to turn into a ghoul so he handed his daughter to his wife without knowing which vault she was going to. he just knows she was going to be put in cryo until it was safe to return to the surface. I don't even think he believes she is still alive. he just wants to know the vault number so he can follow up on the lead and see when it opened (if it did). He wants closure. Or to see if he has descendants still alive. But yes, at some point I do think his wife and daughter will be shown to still be live and his daughter is now a grown woman. And yes, he will sacrifice himself to save her at some point in the story. Season 2 opener I think we be more of Cooper's back story. Possibly when he hands Taney over to her mother. And yeah, I expect it to be somewhere outside, away from her destination and we will see people in X-01 suits and radiation suits for the exchange. To indicate that the vault she is headed to is very well supplied for the long haul.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

*Summary:* In case anyone was in doubt about the yellow plot liquid. It was the yellow plot liquid.

[@johnward8356]

Thank you, Fallout players for setting the record straight.

[@joshbryant3114]

I imagine that whatever the substance is it is made from other ghouls. that explains why the guys at the super duper mart had so many ghoul prisoners.

[@wolfstar_productions]

I do not think - as so much "from other ghouls" but from others; in the case in the series, more substance would have been made from the taking of one's (aka Lucy's) internal Organs.

[@Watchdog78]

When Cooper was dug up in the first episode that liquid was in the iv bags above his casket.

[@Azuban222]

I'm new to Fallout Fandom. I've never played the games and only seen the TV show, but I think 1 reason why Cooper's lived this long being a Ghoul is because of his mentality. I cheated and googled him, and found out he was former military. So I'm thinking it's not just the drugs keeping him sane/alive, but his mindset that he will not be beat. Plus, he's a man on a mission and has Q's that need A's. It could also just be good genetics? Everyone's built differently. Maybe there's just something deep in his DNA that gives him a biological advantage over others. Like how some people have x,y,z conditions that run in their family but it completely skips over them, or there's no history of x,y,z conditions yet they're the first in the family to have it. Either way, he's my favorite so far.

[@einar90808]

there have been other ghouls in Fallout that have lived a very long time without going feral. I have played Fallout 4 and run into the Vaultech salesman in the town of Goodneighnor, and he was not feral, and not a chem-head either, so it can happen

[@bigskullnobrain6303]

Yeah but this after fallout 4, like 10 years after, so the whole feral thing is fairly new since cooper has been taking vials for about 30+ years so for other ghouls they might need to start taking them

[@cthrekgoru]

but that changes between ghouls. Glowing ones nothing . But most of the regular ones losing their minds overtime . It is a cool idea to add a substance that can prevent that...

[@ghekor]

​@bigskullnobrain6303 Most Ghouls are pre-War , if not all of em thats kinda their point theybare the creepy remnants of the world before. Ghouls going feral isn't a new concept either , that's an already established thing how it happens isn't established its rather random. What's brand new is a vial that they can inject to stave off going feral that's a show only thing.

[@Things_I_wish_I_knew]

Ghouls have longer lifespans... They're also able to ingest rotten food as if it was a gourmet meal... That's the lore around them really, this I'm sure is mentioned in other fallout games buy I learned that bit from fallout 3. Thing is? Not all ghouls are sane, most go totally nuts and the rest are typically seen as monsters hence why they aren't all that commonly seen in city locations unless it's a community of sane ghouls or other nuanced situations. A lot of this dynamic was a result of mutations they faced from bomb radiation.

[@alexandergreyson9430]

In Fallout 4 a kid survived in the fridge for 200 years.

[@cthrekgoru]

I think it was more like a wild wasteland thing ...

[@skixd88]

Remember what he said when she shot him with a tranquilizer? Yep.

[@antonfowler6582]

Ghouls are biologicaly immortal . In fallout4 you find billy a child who got trapped in a fridge when the bombs dropped and became a ghoul . He has been trapped in that fridge for 210 years without food water or any yellow serum . And he hasn't gone feral .

[@mcdo724]

It's rad away

[@silent_hunter515]

that stuff dont work on ghouls 1 2 3 and fnv stated that

[@darthlobo1213]

So I watched a video that pretty much didn't tell me anything new that I couldn't have solved watching and playing the game? Thanks!

[@jeremybrown9648]

So the common theory is that its jet.........then what turned thaddeus into a ghoul? It looked like irradiated water to me at first. But it could be the same as the ghoul serum.........any thoughts?

[@Ash.Attack]

its radaway just. it stops the radiation from degrading their brains

[@jimmylollington6692]

This is how I understood it. People need to realise they’re using the games but making their own spin on the lore, it’s clear the writers are suggesting what you stated. Otherwise, why include the Thaddeus doctor scene?

[@xAfredKnotx]

Lol your worried about the ghoul, but not noticing the 'humans' are 200+ years old as well.

[@eshanmohotty3704]

They showed how those humans survived for 200 years. They were in those hibernating chambers, sleeping.

[@xAfredKnotx]

@eshanmohotty3704 Moldaver was not in a cryochamber. She was the leader of vaultech is bad movement b4 the great war in this show.

[@boom5732]

The vault tech employees were all frozen, I'm not sure about moldaver, I'm guessing she was a Goul but didn't have any physical damage to the skin somehow​@@xAfredKnotx

[@rickyal590]

​@@xAfredKnotxwhy not? She had the economic resources to buy her own chamber. Or maybe she is a synth 😊

[@eshanmohotty3704]

@@xAfredKnotx yes actually it didn’t explain in the show how Moldaver survived but my guess is somehow she got into a vault and used a cryochamber like the vault dwellers. Because she not only has the resources and the connections to do that. And she knows Lucy’s father as well

[@BeeHash]

So… how does he survive for 219 years?

[@mmichelle4082]

considering you have to pay for the yellow viles, I would bet money that one of those people in that room had something to do with it since it's all about money.

[@nak3dxsnake]

they seem to be suggesting taking vials keeps them from going feral in the series. i suggest the vials are just small doses of fev. evolving them to stay alive and them longer in small doses preventing feral stage.

[@scottpagan2233]

Still waiting & hoping for a Dredd Part 2

[@roccogiampietro4830]

Never saw that in any of the games, must be a big screen addition.

[@jeremyallen9624]

I'm just trying to figure out how he needs the chems to avoid turning feral, but somehow he was just fine when he was unburied after who knows how long.

[@kirkyorg7654]

@jeremyallen9624 they show two IV bags with yellow liquid in them hanging above the grave before they dig him up. And the guy says that "Don Pedro digs him up once a year to cut parts off him" so he gives him the yellow stuff to keep him "alive" and he is a bounty hunter so chances are Don Pedro is a criminal he crossed paths with at some point

[@Tony-ih1pg]

Games do say that ghouls live long and they either become crazy (fetal) or not. No yellow vial in that

[@prodi16]

From what I see on the episode it looks like a mixture of ghouls fluids, most probably brain fluids or spinal cord fluids mixted with maybe non ghoulified human brain/spinal fluids, acting as a kind of vaccine preventing going feral but you need to take periodic doses

[@warbossgrotsmasha23]

ghouls have a very long lifespan, if going feral or violence don't get them ghouls are virtually immortal in a biological sense

[@garethsalmon5864]

Ok but explain this, before the bombs hit cooper met Moldova, or what ever her name was, and he also met Lucy's father the overseer, of vault 33 back before he became the ghoul. So could anyone explain how Moldova and overseer are still alive 200+ years later and very much human looking (not ghouls)

[@joshwilson3670]

Lucy's father is part of the Bud's Buds program in vault 31. His being "transferred" from 31 to 33 to marry Lucy's mother was really just him being unfrozen by Roomba Bud. There seems to be a steady stream of pre-war Vault-Tec executives being reintroduced to 33 this way so that they can maintain control. Betty, Steph and all of the previous 33 overseers were part of this program. Moldaver hasn't been explained yet. She might have made some deal with another faction or a foreign government in exchange for the cold fusion technology she was working on. The big tech companies didn't want it getting out, but maybe one of them decided to keep her around. Probably a similar cryogenic situation or she might even be a synth for all we know at this point.

[@boraonline7036]

There is no secret how Ghouls survive that long, it's because their changed body. I would prefer to know what those Drugs are. Because not all Ghouls in Fallout who are like Cooper take those Drugs to keep their human mind. There are not many like him, to begin with. But he is the only one of those, at least I know, who needs that Drug to not change into a farel Ghoul. So what is this Drug?

[@shanehumberstone5262]

It’s from being irradiated,the drugs pumped into him stop him rotting in the grave

[@daytonstokes6900]

Rad away and he was burried with 2 iv bags

[@UnderAGlassMetropolis]

Ghouls are immune to all radiation.

[@silverbladeTE]

Yup, it seems to be Rad-Away and perhaps mixed with something FROM other ghouls, note the ghoul prisoners in the Super Duper Mart, and the way he first ate the spinal cord from Roger!

[@Justanothergamerboi]

I don't understand the timeline of this show. I get how the ghoul is still alive, but how are there still original vault dwellers still running around after 200 years? What about the brotherhood guy, it was already post-apocalypse when he was a kid in the fridge?

[@eliwilson8242]

But how did he survive the initial blast??

[@bulldawg0069]

I'm assuming we will keep getting small flashbacks to answer some of those type questions.

[@Davie404]

Probably hopped in a refrigerator like Indiana Jones 😏

[@silverbladeTE]

The blasts weren't that big, in Fallout nearly all the nukes were "small", Hiroshima sized, so if you are 2 miles or more away you will likely survive...the fallout though is another matter. Most of the bombs were ground bursts, and LOTS of them, to cause maximum physical damage and excessive fallout so America couldn't rebuild ;)

[@eliwilson8242]

@@silverbladeTE in that opening scene he was 100% within a couple miles of the final blast in that shot. That’s mostly why I was wondering cause it was so freaking close to him and his daughter haha

[@silverbladeTE]

@@eliwilson8242 being a "ground burst" it reduces the range of thermal pulse and blast effects, but...hugely increases the fallout, which is what happened in the Fallout lore

[@VintageSportsCards1979]

Obviously you don't understand Fallout he's a freaking ghoul the rads have kept him alive that long.

[@psiklops71]

To bad Benny Drowned.

[@crombie92]

Who is Roger in the show? The ghoul that was turning feral.

[@stevejamieson8468]

Apparently Roger was a long time friend and associate of Cooper.

[@tonyblake7569]

He was kinda obvious, but I really want to know how Moldaver was still alive? My 3 guesses are 1 cryo tube. 2 she's a clone, so could bring her back next season. And 3 she's a goul, just a really good looking one lol. Oh and what happened to his daughter? He survived, kinda. Did she survive too? He asked where his family was, not just where his wife was.

[@janmichaelcatap5994]

moldaver could also be a synth

[@tonyblake7569]

@@janmichaelcatap5994 also possible, but wouldn't they need the original to make the copy of? Like I know they don't need it to make the copy but to model it off of her they would need something. And why her? I could see making one that just is a random person, but to make one that looked like her they would probably have done it to replace her.

[@60weHoodsta]

The synth theory is out because she died, with blood coming out. I think he went to Moldaver during the explosions but somehow, she took his daughter and not him. Maybe he went to Lucy's dad since he was his biggest fan with the same outcome. Leaning towards the Hank because he said family which includes wife. I'm willing to bet the wife had a affair with Hank.

[@ShaundiS-f3y]

It's liquified / Gelified Jet . Remember ? like fallout 3's Alien Gel. But it's a Jet variant. It boost thier brain, cause as long a thier brain is stimulated, the feral trigger is reported. Thats what they do -- The report the trigger with doses of modified Jet. They Fear going feral. huhhuhuh :P

[@RookScally]

Paused the video to give my thoughts l. I had my ideas of what that stuff was and the only thing it could be that made sense to me was rad away. Let's see.

[@DaemonWolf.]

Harold from Fallout 1 never needed a stupid vial this is just wrong.

[@rich090370]

Coop was very patient?

[@jamesbeck3027]

Fev alternative my guess

[@DaemonWolf.]

The show didn't reveal anything new, Ghouls lore wise ever since the 1st Fallout game have always been able to live very long lifespans...basic lore.

[@chloe38583]

The brother hood guy's wierd I really didn't understand the look on his face most of the time.

[@masterroshi8812]

How mutants have powers. Because it's a make believe created by writers.

[@roberttaylor2058]

But what about plot holes? A little back story loosely based on the 'science' helps with the immersion though. imagine if Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster said Superman has his powers because we are the writers and it's make believe.

[@holhereatic]

interesting theory and a good one at that.

[@philipyoung333]

So you answered basically nothing. Excellent

[@jokester117]

It feels like variation of ghouls. Like salesman and boy in the fridge didn’t need yellow vials. Probably different radiation. Todd Howard should explain this.

[@TheHalfworkShaman]

Diluted rad x

[@DaemonWolf.]

If they did retcon the lore in the show like this then honestly that's pretty boring.

[@PaithanMycerinus]

another video from someone who knows nothing about fallout. ghouls either don't age or live an extremely long time, there are several ghouls running around who were alive when the bombs dropped. taking some drug to avoid becoming a feral is not cannon. it's a shit story item from writers who have no knowledge of the source material. stop spreading misinformation.

[@thisguy8581]

From now on any AI voiced videos are getting thumbs down, script just.............

[@MarsellusWallace2024]

This didn’t tell me shit

[@topgunne12]

this is wrong and non-canon.

[@stuligin]

Could be the longevity serum made by Lorenzo Cabot :)