How The Internet Fell Out of Love With Grimes

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0:00 Intro
1:04 The Grimes Experiment
3:50 Grimes X Elon 4Ever
6:14 Azealia Banks, Acid, & Market Manipulation
7:25 Grimes' Cosmic Heartbreak
9:00 Ahoy, Allegations!
10:45 Coachella Chaos
12:19 Good Luck, Claire
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The Canadian singer delivered a lengthy apology on social media after a frustration-wrought DJ set at Coachella April 14.
"I want to apologize for the technical issues with the show tonight," Grimes (real name Claire Boucher) wrote on X, formerly Twitter, after her set. "I wanted to come back rly strong and usually I always handle every aspect of my show myself-to save time this was one of the first times I've outsourced essential things like rekordbox bpm's and letting someone else organize the tracks on the sd card etc."
And the "Oblivion" singer-who was seen yelling in irritation several times throughout her set in videos shared to social media-added that the malfunctions provided a learning experience for her.

[@shivvWhore]

I will NEVER get over Azealia Banks telling Grimes that she looks like she smells like a roll of nickels. 10/10 insult

[@mysticwater9056]

Love her or hate her, Azealia is a wordsmith of insults😂

[@mpazinambao2938]

lol, what?!😂

[@ssh1487]

I've never been stateside so don't know what nickels smell like yet I have a strong idea based on what I've had the misfortune to smell of other people and she really looks like she'd smell like that lol - bunch of old coins, yep probably true

[@Eli-jw8mx]

She is so fucking funny. I love finding her twitter fights. My favorites are Lana and Skai Jackson those exchanges were so fucking funny.

[@srose1088]

That's why I can't hate Azealia Banks cuz she says stuff like that, and I'm like... she could be right, tho. 🤔

[@yerismymother]

rip grimes you would’ve loved grimes

[@arnoldmogielinski93]

Too bad they never linked up 🥺

[@starlightbright]

Want to like this comment but it’s at 666 likes

[@rra7490]

🙏🏽💔 you shall be missed

[@jennuhcide59]

corny

[@onemysore6120]

Beautiful

[@SchatziSugar]

She's 36 btw. This whole time I thought she was 20 or something, bc thats how she acts. Imagine my surprise.

[@iain9757]

Omg

[@skeeter6671]

you just shocked me i thought she was in her 20’s too

[@srose1088]

I knew she couldn't be 20s cuz I've known of her for long enough now that it would be illogical to believe she was still in her 20s. I wonder what she would look like now without the use of botox and filler. She might look younger. She always looked youthful.

[@Be12397]

You’ve got to be kidding!! Wow, she’s incredibly immature acting.

[@k2a2l2]

holy shit

[@420deepthroat9]

I always thought grimes and musk were together for like 6 months but i recently found out they have THREE children together! wtf?

[@perryjones7771]

HUH😳😳😳😳

[@josei1624]

They had an on and off relationship acording to her I believe

[@srose1088]

Same lol I thought she got knocked up after a fling and was co parenting the one son.

[@jasminpedrosa5976]

Just googled it and the last kid’s name is Techno Mechanicus

[@shanel4294]

I really wanna see them at dinner

[@pozol5542]

as a DJ let me tell you: Grimes's flop at Coachella was literally proof that she cannot DJ, and that she did not prepare her set properly; this mistake would not have happened if she simply made sure beforehand that all her tracks have correct BPM's and that non of them get fucked when she plugs into a console (which she should have checked on the sound check) AND (most importantly) if she actually DJ'ed as most of us do, and not used the 'beat sync' option, which basically makes DJing almost the same as playing songs from a Spotify playlist. The fact that someone without any basic DJ skills performs at Coachella is a bit baffling to me tbh.

[@angelacuebasmercado4036]

Idk why you find it baffling though, the performers in Coachella have varied between legends and incompetent people like grimes for years now. A lot of the artists at Coachella a joke nowadays

[@CaulkMongler]

That part. I’m not a DJ by any mean but it seemed like an issue that any DJ that’s been around the block and are familiar with common issue would have solved that issue within a few minutes, not would they have drawn so much attention to a small issue making it glaringly awkward.

[@pozol5542]

@@angelacuebasmercado4036 maybe it’s because im not American and in my head i compare this music festival to the big ones in my home country, where random people are not performing

[@terenarosa4790]

Can you explain this beat sync option, where you find it and how to use it?

[@dry_critical]

Massive technical problems aren’t new with Griems. She has very similar excuses after the big festival in Las Vegas

[@theaudjob3267]

Somewhere there's a universe where Grimes and FKA Twigs linked up and made great art together instead of the hellscape of the real world

[@arnoldmogielinski93]

That part of the universe broke off into the vortex back in 2020 I feel (large cultural/peers' experience context, not in relation to her antics, just so we're clear lol) 😒

[@theaudjob3267]

@@arnoldmogielinski93 we really are in the bad place

[@missdenisebee]

YES omg😭 We’re in the bad timeline fr.

[@spaghettikennedy896]

@@missdenisebeeHope ya’ll join the good timeline someday 🥺 lol

[@crystal.balls612]

Grimes, twigs, doja cat and ashnikko is the girl group I made up in my head, I believe they would be amazing😂

[@SpectreSaunders]

Everything & everyone that Elon Musk touches gets ruined and becomes cringe...

[@musiclikeseverybody]

Grimes isn't an object, she made the choices she made to be with Elon Musk it's her fault lol

[@sebascm7278]

😂

[@arianafox365]

He’s the Cringe Midas

[@chandelierprincess]

She was already cringe before she met Elon

[@elgranespejo]

ugh, this is why i hate grimes fans - she has agency and she made the choice to be a nazi, hot damn

[@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging]

Can you imagine what everyday conversation is like between these two. Just insufferable two people thinking they are soooo brilliant

[@labrujadeluz]

ahahahahha 😂

[@affafbaloch]

getting exhausted just thinking about it

[@sphinky1156]

they are pretty brilliant in their own ways. Despite their fortunate upbringing. It's just that the world has become jaded and loves to have a hate bojner for these sorts of things

[@floraposteschild4184]

@@sphinky1156 "Despite their fortunate upbringing." Oh, what a shame they were reared by millionaires. It dimmed their "brilliance", somehow.

[@sphinky1156]

@@floraposteschild4184 You could be born into wealth and piss it all away or make nothing out of it. You seem like you could be talking about how you are sooo brilliant on your down time too, only you aren't born from a rich family.

[@Valentineatelier]

Although I think it’s disrespectful to insult people’s intelligence, but grimes definitely does have that impression on me; that being brought up by wealthy family has never made the lady have to truly solve things on her own since she can afford not to live in the real world; socially and financially

[@peach986]

I’m pretty sure she said something one time about only eating one kind of food for months (I think it was lasagna or something) and she started feeling like crap, because duh. And then she went to the doctor and they just told her to eat something other than lasagna lmao

[@gabby222themoon]

@@peach986lol yeah it was spaghetti but she’s also autistic n that’s a common thing to eat the same foods everyday for long periods of time she’s not stupid bc of that…

[@alyssapinon9670]

I don’t think it’s intelligence as much as it is street smarts. I was surprised to find out she’s almost 40 with three kids. The way she acts reminds me of my teenage self. I was a sheltered artsy kid so the biggest worries I had (outside of school) were choosing my outfits and working on my creative projects. Living away from home, paying bills, and having a job while in college helped me grow up a bit. Still practice my passions but they’re not the only thing I worry about now.

[@peach986]

@@gabby222themoon babe I’m autistic too but I know damn well not to eat one kind of food for months on end

[@user-mz2ne4yh2t]

@@gabby222themoony'all blame on autism for everything 😂😂

[@mutantsupremacies]

i remember when, after her and elon’s breakup, she posted a photo of her reading karl marx 💀 she was fooling no one.

[@thesealky6445]

That was so funny

[@bees.857]

Then she went on Hasanabi's stream at his house. Lol so petty.

[@user-yu4rh6zj9x]

I think that was intentional

[@ladytofuu]

Only to then got back together with him (secretly, I might add) and chose to have 2 more children😅

[@TamaraKane]

She was still trying to grift her progressive fan base by pretending to be for a socialist utopia and for artists. Now we know it was all fake. I foolishly believed in her for longer than I should have. I bought the nice woe is me act.

[@tristeguey]

its so hard just liking music without the artist ripening into bad bad bad person 😭 🤧

[@evecates2232]

I know. I can't listen to Lana del rey anymore. She one of the worst people...not only is she a zionist but she wore that net mask at the peak of covid19.

[@miik7064]

Try lemon demon

[@ragdollrose2687]

I've kinda let go of the obsession of consuming art only from people who align with my morals... cause I wouldn't have anything to listen to tbh. Most of the greatest in music history were abusive towards women or just pos at some point. I won't wear their merch and give them my money directly (buying new albums, going to shows,...) if I know they're awful but I'll still listen to the music I like while still being aware that I should take the message with a grain of salt at the very least. On the other hand, I'd be heartbroken if I learn that one of my faves was really problematic

[@TamaraKane]

​​@@evecates2232she's not a zionist. She has said very clearly that she loves Palestine and hates what Israel is doing to them. She hates genocide. The "net" mask you're referring to had multiple layers of sheer fabric. It was not just net. It was a safe fashion mask specially made to look like netting. It was made by a designer for her to be an "illusion" mask and it was only used for a music video she was in, in which she was riding in a car by herself. She was pro-masking and vaccinating and false rumors like yours are why she bailed on social media. She also got called a Trump supporter even though she can't stand him and put a hex on him.

[@TamaraKane]

​@@evecates2232my comment got deleted, so I'll try this again. Lana Del Rey is not a zionist. She has said very clearly that she loves Palestine and opposes genocide. The mask you're referring to was a specially designed "illusion mask" that had multiple layers of sheer fabric to make it look like she just had netting on her face, but it was actually a safe fabric mask and she only wore it for filming a music video while she was in a car alone. I hope this helps and doesn't get deleted again. 🤨

[@TheRockerX]

I wish you had mentioned her insane comments about how "her son is destined to have the same journey and struggles as Paul Atreides from DUNE" 💀💀

[@icecream_marchesa9216]

that's some reeeally crazy sh*t tbh 🤣

[@TylaStark]

WHAT?!?!?!?! 💀💀💀💀💀

[@sallthings3343]

Thank you!!

[@TamaraKane]

Yeah. That was crazy. And she identifies personally with a Harkonnen(sc). They're the bad guys. In the first Dune movie, they're pretty disgusting, but I guess she just liked the way Sting looked with red hair? Then when she found out he was horrible, she was just like, "Yay! I'm horrible like him!"

[@TamaraKane]

Sorry for any misspellings. I haven't read Dune.

[@thesovgc]

I low-key loved when Azealia came for Grimes 😭

[@AN-tw7uj]

"You smell like a roll of nickels" lives in my brain rent free.

[@thesovgc]

@@AN-tw7uj Absolutely!

[@Peterrdee]

It was actually such classic pop culture they should of collabed first tho

[@TamaraKane]

Glad they didn't because now Azealia need not be connected to someone who has been openly racist.

[@blushslice]

The decline in quality of her work is just surreal

[@voidedcitrus3455]

ikr man like i cannot BELIEVE that the person who created visions was also responsible for i wanna be software 😭 it’s honestly depressing. i just wish she would retire or something

[@mb7626]

Honestly I think even her best work occupies this boring valley between pop and more bold or overt creative experimentation. One more notch towards the former and it would have more of a catchy radio quality, one more notch towards the latter and she’d have more of a legit FKA Twigs or Kate Bush quality. But instead she somehow finds like the boringest of all worlds by triangulating something between those. At least that’s how I’ve always felt about her music. I wouldn’t say it’s bad but I’ve never understood the appeal either.

[@muffy1556]

She made better music when she had less than a year of musical experience than the music she makes now as an industry veteran. Sad.

[@voidedcitrus3455]

@@muffy1556 it really is man :( i wish we were in the timeline where she continued her activism and made more incredible music. thinking about what couldve been makes me sad

[@UltraViolet666]

I'd say the quality improved but the soul was *completely* lost

[@trashpacker4500]

I really want to believe the rumor that the weird ass names are just a means of making the actual name private

[@iain9757]

The interview where we found out her and Elon had secret another kid & her saying they basically lived in a basement & only ate peanut butter was wild to me,

[@jessielou9138]

What. Is this for real?

[@r.h.1988]

​@@jessielou9138Yes!! The article is so funny. The interviewer describes how she went to their home, by which time their first born was more than a year old, but there was very obviously a baby crying and she was unsure about whether or not she was just supposed to ignore that. Then Grimes sort of denied it, but then admitted they had a second one by surrogacy. The article is wild!

[@jessielou9138]

@r.h.1988 lmao I mean, the whole Azalea Banks issue was wild af, but didn't think they could go wilder like that. I'm also the kind of fan that followed her for her music and never dug much into her "personal" life.

[@jasminpedrosa5976]

It sounds straight up like someone played sims 2 and got overwhelmed with too many toddlers, that it’s real is tragic but I can’t stop laughing either

[@shanel4294]

Imagine your dad being the richest man in the world and all you can eat is peanut butter

[@kittiikamii]

As a former grimes Stan, grimes wouldve hateeeedd whoever this woman is

[@melizabeth555]

ugh literally, i've been a grimes fan since i was like 9 and her new music is some of the WORST stuff i've genuinely heard

[@kittiikamii]

@@melizabeth555 I wanna be software made me stop listening to her for like 3 months. I was just so shocked. I’ve started wondering if the woman we grew to love never even existed

[@deedfayez]

@@kittiikamiiI wanna be software threw me so off-guard that I literally sat there for a few minutes just staring. I used to listen to her music non-stop but now it’s just… crap

[@colonialstraits1069]

That statement could only come from a current Stan.

[@lameasf]

@@deedfayez me toooo and I prefer her later stuff, Miss Anthropocene and the Lizzy Wizzy stuff are my absolute favourites, to go from that to I wanna be software gave me whiplash, there's not even that much time between them, it hurts my brain

[@espeon871]

Grimes went from being an artistic and quirky girl to an unhinged capitalist techbro princess with insane thoughts esp after she became a mom and got more "traditional". Also her music got bad. I thought she wldve done well on coachella, but nope shes been on an avalanche

[@TamaraKane]

You're right. It's been a disaster. 😔

[@crazycatlady8285]

How is she traditional? I got the impression shes not even a fan of babies. Elon is the one who loves kids.

[@Brucebod]

When Grimes said she had been "cancelled" after dating Elon Muck, my jaw dropped to the floor in disbelief. So out of touch! I wonder if she still considers him to be "her best friend" tho?

[@LeatherScorpio]

She's become one of those French women who slept with the Nazis during World War 2.

[@margaesperanza]

She kept having kids with a man who hates the community that made her relevant

[@Brucebod]

@@LeatherScorpio Ha ha, I like that, funny. 👍

[@elsa7594]

@@LeatherScorpio gabrielle chanel core

[@leaf111]

probably not since he's trying to do anything to not have to pay child support while being the richest man in the world and he was horrible to her during their relationship. look up the post she made on r/relationshipadvice about him

[@xxmilk-teethxx]

i grew up low income in vancouver and as a kid in the alt/punk/rave/subversive art communities I definitely have always been critical of Grimes particularly because of her poverty tourism. she'd made bangers for sure and I will give credit where it's due, but her putting in her bio that she "got her start in crackhouses in Montreal" when in reality she was the one charging people rent, is just the biggest eyeroll ever. if she was just for real about where she actually comes from i think she would be more likable...maybe...except the whole nazi thing like Claire what are you DOING

[@stephe1506]

yeah, those crack addicts handing over their money to her as their presumed slumlord gave her her start to be the Strong Independent Person she is today that only uses Daddy's Money 75% of the time.. duh

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

It will never stop being funny that she has such a boring, straight real name 😂

[@TamaraKane]

Yeah. I appreciate the backstory, but I can't like her again after the nazi stuff. I'm still kind of stunned that she never made a retraction of those comments, or apologized for liking and following those accounts, or how she doubled and tripled down instead as if that was showing integrity. 🤢 And the sad thing is, I still really want to like her, but to me she is lost. I don't even know if she knows what she did. Or if she does know, but she just feels she needs to live in that racist zone to access her kids or get child support. No idea. I wish she had never met that guy. But, like you mentioned, maybe she was kind of a corrupt landlady type all along.

[@xxmilk-teethxx]

@@TamaraKane I wanna clarify that the backstory was to emphasize that she's always been a hack

[@TamaraKane]

@@xxmilk-teethxx haha. I hear you, but I did like her music when she was actually singing, so just admitting that. I don't need to like her music anymore. There's a lot out there. 🙂

[@francescadowns4551]

“She’s not just a facist, but a facist who can’t DJ” took me OUT

[@rachelarnold8839]

The "What I Eat in a Day" video from her was definitely my "Oh, she's really lived a sheltered life" moment

[@louweasel7903]

Grimes hits hard man, I was obsessed with her music for the duration of 2012-2016, when I was aged 12-16. She was part of my most formative years, and now I can't listen to those songs without feeling quite sad

[@sphinky1156]

why not continue to support her then? it's crazy how quickly people turn on another person just because they don't fit their agenda

[@louweasel7903]

@@sphinky1156 Clashing personal/political/ideological beliefs are a perfectly normal reason to want to distance yourself from someone. you're welcome to give her your support in my place ig?

[@eugeniamaurajames1907]

@@louweasel7903 right there with you, buddy. I wish I still enjoyed her music, regardless of everything in her personal life. But I feel like it’s changed for the worse.

[@TamaraKane]

I feel so bad for your age group in this situation. My son was your age and really liked and respected Grimes. Then her problematic comments made him pretty depressed for a while. He used to like Elon, too. He still loves space exploration, but he really doesn't appreciate the way the pair of them pretended to be basically kind and for a less hateful world only to do a 180. Just saying this to let you know you're not alone. And I tell my son that the good he related to in them was part of him, even if it wasn't real on their end. He has integrity where they did not. I hope your generation keeps your love of cool music, even if you guys have to look a bit harder to find it from less toxic artists now. Your compassion will help shape the new music going forward. Distancing from Grimes will make room for ethereal singers who aren't corrupt. (Hopefully they'll stay that way fingers 🤞)

[@bigchez2855]

I'm watching this video with almost zero context regarding Grimes and had to pause after hearing "We'll get to the N@zi stuff"

[@gracecarpinter8623]

And this video didn't even cover the eugenics fangirling. When you're running around supporting eugenics (which is what Grimes has been doing), that is genuine N@zi shit. That alone would be enough for me to chuck her in the bin (because I'm autistic and so many autistic people were killed by the aforementioned German fascists, eff Grimes for supporting that ideology), but she really is running around supporting some truly repugnant people.

[@TamaraKane]

And yeah. There's been even more than that. Grimes and Elon (Elon more than her, but she does her share) follow, comment on, like, and retweet, so many neo-nazi accounts. And like the video said, she said she "loved white culture," which what is that even supposed to mean? And in comments that followed she said the thing about being a human supremacist, and later when someone said something about "white power" she said she was okay with it because "white achievements have been underrated" or "underappreciated" or something like that. Then a bunch of her own friends and followers were asking her to apologize and delete the tweets and she said something like "I'll never apologize for loving the human race," or loving European achievements or some such. And she said the thing about how "it's not like all races haven't had slaves," as though that minimized what white people did.

[@onii747]

And she never did get to it.

[@kyleek6152]

i stand by my belief that grimes always had a reactionary streak or at least was prone to these ideas and it wasnt her being "tainted" or "brainwashed" by musk. like she grew up rich and white with some kind of superiority complex she was already primed

[@quandaredevil]

yeah I definitely think the whole activist thing she was doing back in the day was just grifting. she likely knew that appearing as progressive was something she could capitalize off of, so she did

[@Winter-Alpha-Omega]

Personally, based on what I've read and heard of her life, it sounds like Grimes is very hyperactive and like a child, has fleeting interests. I believe her activism era was very much real to her, because she sounded genuine, she appeared invested. But it seems she also parrots the interests of her circle, whomever that social group may be. Now that she's with Musk, from whom she seems to be codependent, it makes sense to me she'd mirror many of his views. She just seems like someone very unstable, in the sense they'd have a hobbie one day and drop it completely the next month in favour of the new big thing. Or that's just my appreciation.

[@voidedcitrus3455]

i think personally that her activism was semi legit. like i think she did sorta care about what she was saying but it definitely wasnt iron clad or anything. i think being surrounded by nasty tech bros and elon definitely did change her opinions in a way, but i do believe that she was always a little bit misogynistic and racist but just not a full blown nazi, if that makes sense tldr: i think that grimes only partially believed in what she was advocating for but, it definitely was affected by who she choses to interact with

[@leaf111]

@@voidedcitrus3455​​⁠ i feel the same, she was a much better activist than most artists and she went above and beyond to be as environmentally friendly as possible. it absolutely seemed genuine and i do believe that she was influenced by elon and his friends, but it's still crazy to me how dramatic the shift was, like she was brainwashed

[@MarnieGolde7]

Nah. She is the same person as him just in different packaging. No one forced her to start dating this man. She found many things attractive about that man. Probably because she relates to him in many ways. And that’s sad, but what’s even more sad is how performative her “activism” appears upon further review.

[@nixiemartian4658]

Why do people keep referring to Grimes and Elon as being married? They never got married, just had kids

[@itisyerdad]

Who’s referring to them being married? The only thing brought up is their custody battle which doesn’t mean they were married.

[@StateofKait]

@@itisyerdad She said they were married in the video.

[@srose1088]

Im not sure what happened at Cochella, but from what I know, modern CDJ programs adjust the speed of songs for you, but old school DJs can do it by ear. This is a major crux in the DJ community, many people believe if you can't beat match by ear, then you're relying too much on tech. If she was relying on the sync button, then software is doing this by numbers. If your numbers are wrong and you can't adjust the tempo by ear then you'd have to adjust the tempo using numbers like how the software does. If the bmp was doubled, I guess you'd need to make extra steps for you to achieve this matching.

[@SingKahKah]

Programs like rekordbox, traktor, etc. analyze the bpm of tracks within a certain bpm range that you can set, so it can either show up as 160 bpm or 80 bpm (which is technically the same). My guess is whoever prepared her tracks did it in batches and didn't double check, and then she obviously doesn't know how to beat match on the fly so the doubled and mismatched bpms confused her

[@srose1088]

@@SingKahKah Ok, that's the part I'm not really familiar with. I have friends who DJ and just observed them on the decks. It seems like the song on que gets adjusted manually using headphones and visual markers I dont fully understand. It didn't look like she had headphones, and that doesn't seem smart.

[@SingKahKah]

@@srose1088 yeah thats pretty much it, you cue the track as well as you can and the manual adjusting slows down the deck (just like putting friction on a vinyl record makes it spin slower) so you can further line it up on the fly. Headphones are helpful but not necessary tbh, lots of footwork guys dont use headphones

[@srose1088]

@@SingKahKah is footwork the Chicago dance that's similar to Detroit jit?

[@shivvWhore]

Yup, same with playing in a band that uses playback for background sounds and riffs, you need to match these up to a metronome, most musicians will be able to do this if they actually put effort to their instruments, you can spot a lazy band member easy if they can't do this.

[@iain9757]

I sorta feel Elon sorta taints everything he touches

[@perryjones7771]

Sorta now you being nice that man is nasty.

[@JamesLawner]

He's like the anti-Midas.

[@margaesperanza]

Honestly shout out to his one kid who legally changed their name and wants nothing to do with him.

[@cherdanland]

These days, it's really more like Elon Musk touches everything he taints. Grimes was/is clearly no exception. Good luck, ÆI=mc², you're gonna need it.

[@vinnym5607]

I mean, no one wants an electric car except right wing morons.

[@harryhackwood7254]

the most salient summary i've seen of what it's like to be a fan of Grimes' whilst being aligned with her pre-Elon socialist political ideologies and not being a racist scumbag is a tweet that said "She made art angels... she maid art angels: i repeat to myself whilst rocking backwards and forwards on the floor"

[@kaitlin9288]

Why is this me tho omg 😭 😭 😭

[@TamaraKane]

Yeah. It's really sad. It kind of devastated me. I didn't get on social media for about two months when she said the most openly racist stuff and wouldn't apologize. And she actually used to talk to me every once in a while on Twitter on her alt accounts. I was in her art Discord and we shared a bunch of art there and it was kind of beautiful. I painted a portrait of her and she liked it. I once told her to be brave leading up to her custody hearing and she thanked me, but asked that I not mention it on Twitter because of the possibility of eyes watching her. I feel weird even talking about it now, but I guess I can since I have abandoned all hope for her.

[@jondroll]

1000% percent she should know how to handle it in real time if she were even a mildly proficient dj. Unless she’s djing straight jazz or foxtrots everything should be divisible by even numbers since it’s going to be in 4/4 measures or maybe 6/8 measures if she plays a song with that Gary Glitter beat or the Personal Jesus beat. Frankly, she should at least be able to dj without having to have everything preloaded like its homework assignment. You should be able to dj with a working mixer and sound without even the use of a WAV visualization. Also, having someone doing all your prep work for you sounds like a terrible idea for any club let alone Coachella.

[@Winter-Alpha-Omega]

I didn't understand anything you wrote and now I'd like you to give me DJ classes, please.

[@morningfaroe612]

and she definietly isn’t a professional dj, she commented on her tiktok that she’d never played a dj set that big before. so you think she’d actually make sure she was prepared for mishaps lol. that being said, her screaming into the mic whenever she was frustrated was funny af to me. it was a train wreck, but an entertaining one for me

[@jondroll]

@@Winter-Alpha-Omega it’s actually not too hard. If you can dance on beat then you can keep time. Meaning, you can learn to dj no problem.

[@iain9757]

The photo at 4:25 is my only reference point for who she is so nice to be educated on who Grimes actually is

[@arianafox365]

I saw Grimes at Coachella in 2013. I remember being SO STOKED to see her as I was a big fan. It’s really crazy how far she’s fallen since then, I would have never guessed lol

[@TamaraKane]

Agreed. It's been a shock to the system. I don't know if she can redeem herself. She would have to get so humble so fast and apologize for a lot of racist crud, but would people even believe her? I don't think I could. 😢

[@spaghettikennedy896]

I loveeeee Grimes’ music, but during the pandemic when Elon Musk was on Twitter spewing anti-vax bullshit, it actually became difficult to take Grimes seriously merely due to the association 😭 It’s sad

[@unknownmusicman]

it's sad that you can't separate her from Elon. They're two different people. It's also sad that people are still clinging to that precious vax even though it clearly didn't work lol. Every single person I know who got a covid vax got Covid just the same as everybody else.

[@user-oj9ed2it9i]

u still believe the vax was good!!?? omfg

[@ANA-0101]

If you're listening to this and having a child, don't have it with Elon Musk.

[@iain9757]

… what about multiple children?

[@TamaraKane]

​@@iain9757oh, well, go ahead! Wait, no! No children with him!!!

[@elgranespejo]

Eh, tbh, I really don't like juxtaposing being talent with being rich, awful, and neurodiverse as you put it - neurodiverse people aren't inherently assholes nor untalented, so I wouldve edited that part. Same with the ending - for a lot of minorities, the fascism and her use of her cultural capital to apologize for a man who supports nazis is kind of a bigger deal

[@TamaraKane]

Agreed. I'm neurodivergent and I'm not racist beyond what I consider to be the inescapable racist privilege of being born with light skin. In other words, a cop might treat me better than a person with another skin tone, even though I have a somewhat mixed background. I don't want special treatment, but I benefit from that racism whether I like it or not. Being neurodivergent would never cause me to turn into a racist or be so impressionable that I could. I guess when we're kids there's a window of time when we're vulnerable to influence, but she should be way past that.

[@elgranespejo]

@@TamaraKane thanks thought I was the only one here who found that distasteful. Tbh, I don’t necessarily see what she did as attributing her racism to being neurodivergent, but I found it bad that Kayla lumped being neurodivergent in with her bad qualities and not with the good ones.

[@TamaraKane]

@@elgranespejo agreed.

[@hamilcross]

I hate what she’s turned into but it’s like a weird techy car crash I simply cannot look away from 😭😭😭 I saw her live at edc and it’s so frustrating bc she IS talented and has proven to be a great producer but between the shitty dj sets, weird political takes, and her association with elon, it’s hard to take her seriously.

[@kat_the_ot]

As an addendum, give your kid a name that's not impossible to spell because you wanted to be creative and edgy. Sincerely, someone who's name is spelled at least a dozen different ways.

[@xXHollysoxXx]

Ah when you mentioned the custody battles that made me really sad. I grew up within a custody battle that lasted over a decade. I would not wish that on any other child ever. I have serious mental health issues because of the stress it caused, I was so distressed by it that my literal puberty was delayed. I hope they realize sooner rather than later the damage this could cause those poor kids.

[@potts995]

She struck me as a drama-lover with her interviews. Honestly I see parallels to her mannerisms and Kanye West’s.

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

They're both massively egotistical, bordering on narcissism.

[@TamaraKane]

You're not wrong. I see it.

[@boobiesexmachine]

anyone who can tolerate dating elon musk has gotta be kinda fucked up themselves

[@xionxiv9293]

....as a european: ...what does Grimes mean by "white culture"...? Multi-generations american with european decent....? If not, I would like to hear her definiton....

[@gabby222themoon]

U just answered ur own question

[@morgantaylor517]

Grimes is Canadian

[@srose1088]

Grime is another word for filthy, but idk if that's what Grimes is derived from or not. It could be an acronym for all I know.

[@fattern111]

What is for example "black culture" then? Sounds the same kind of weird!

[@TamaraKane]

​@@fattern111no. It doesn't. Black culture, especially in the US, came about under extreme circumstances that forced a label on a lot of people from a lot of different places. They had to form their own culture, much of it in secret. They had to sneak away from horrible people to be able to dance. They were banned from reading, so they had to find ways around that, ways to learn, ways to communicate. They would make songs, go dancing. They created their own dances. That culture very much only belonged to them. And it wasn't some gift from slavery. They created it in spite on slavery, through the strength of their own will to survive. And they fought for their freedom. They regained their equality. And white people have been trying to take it back ever since. There's not a white culture. We didn't all come together and bond as one people based on our skin color, or get forced to do that because of discrimination against our skin color. We're way too fractured to be a culture. There's American culture, and a lot of subcultures, but there's not really "white culture." We don't have a special way to mill wheat that only white people do.

[@ericad8412]

I loved Art Angels hurts to see that was her peak for me

[@Winter-Alpha-Omega]

You claw, you fight, you looose, got a doll that looks just like you. Remember when we used to say... I love almost every day? I saw the light in you, you know, going out as I closed our window. You never liked me anyway.

[@TamaraKane]

​@@Winter-Alpha-Omegaoh, god. That is painful. I wish we could take her back from that guy and deprogram her. 😢

[@ray-mc-l]

Visions was an incredible album. Loved it. She has never done anything near it before or since.

[@Winter-Alpha-Omega]

I am sorry, but in my opinion, Visions is third, Artangels is second and Halfaxa is the best thing she's ever done or that she will ever create.

[@ambersgoofballcorner]

i adore art angels so for me that was her peak but that was almost 10 years ago which is pretty sad. visions was even longer ago and its sad that she really fell out of touch a few years later

[@k.k.6480]

art angels is a good album as well

[@greendaybmt]

Grimes sailing down a river still makes me cry if I think about it too long. It's so fucking stupid and hilarious

[@TamaraKane]

I miss that version of her. Wild girl. Like Anne of Green Gables. Instead now she's just a racist. It's so reductive. It strips away a person's identity.

[@michelleh.5225]

​@@TamaraKane i don't think she became a racist, I think she's always been racist, it was just more hidden. She always did cultural appropriation and treated other cultures and ethnicities as dispensible.

[@joshuamelgar6251]

have u ever considered doing an episode on Azealia her likability goes up and down so much but itd be nice to see a deep dive on her

[@arnoldmogielinski93]

I fear even 45 minutes wouldn't be enough and idk if Kayla has this much mental bandwidth (for covering utter bs let alone organizing this much into a coherent timeline lol) these days (and that's a compliment, like sure it's entertaining but at the end of the day the saga is neverending and she has way better topics to cover succinctly and bitingly

[@perryjones7771]

“You Smell Like A Roll Of Nickels” -Azealia Banks

[@Celebrian13]

IDK, I would say that Grimes and her art is „weird stuff for ppl who like a bit of weird aesthetic, but just a bit”. Easly digestible weird stuff. It does not mean it is bad, but it’s mean it is not so unique neither.

[@mb7626]

This. I feel like even her best stuff was just a stopgap for finding more interesting music whereupon you proceed to never look back. So I get being really into her at a certain (younger) period in your life, or for a season or something as an adult. I don't think it's bad but people who act like she was so groundbreaking and creative really bring out my inner music snob.

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

​@mb7626 dude same. To hear people talk about it, you'd think she was the 2010s Aphex Twin or something but to me, her music has always sounded v poppy.

[@elyonum]

I knew things were bad when the way she spoke changed. Little nuggets and terms and whistles that inform me what she's reading online, yknow? For example, in a Vogue interview (I think?) she talked about how a photo of herself kissing a woman went viral and got her a lot of hate on tumblr back in the early 2010s. She proceeds to say this was "before the woke era" so a photo of two women kissing wouldn't be well received back then. I remember thinking what an *interesting* word choice there. 2011 me would've never imagined Grimes and my super Fox-News-Watching uncle would be using words the same way.

[@TamaraKane]

Oh, my gosh, this is such a good point and comparison!!! How did she get so lost? It's crazy! For me, I also noticed she gradually stopped talking to her art Discord and artists she had added to alt accounts, like me. It seemed like people had been badmouthing artists to her. Then she came out crazy strong in favor of AI art, and this was one major nail in the coffin of my love for her: She did an interview and the interviewer asked her how artists she talked to felt about AI taking their jobs, and she said, without any expression at all, "I don't talk to artists." 😔

[@TamaraKane]

I really felt like, "What the h*ll?!" Especially because she used to talk to her art groups all the time. She would answer our questions and ask us questions. She liked my art. There was community. It was suddenly gone.

[@TamaraKane]

And she made art, too. Hand drawn art.😢

[@louimmature]

Not the azealia banks at the end 😭😭

[@TheRaymanFan]

that reddit thread is horrific its making me feel sick that i ever supported grimes by buying her music

[@TamaraKane]

Same. 😢

[@cooper712]

The azealia grimes beef genuinely one of the best pop culture moments of the 2010s

[@pettylisa5599]

Is that Elon Musk's elf baby mama? Also, love the new intro!

[@puffball4484]

I used to hate when people referred to her this way but now i kind of think she earned it tbh...

[@TamaraKane]

​@@puffball4484yeah. I used to defend her, too. Then she reduced herself to his counterpart.

[@goatmonty]

It always kind of mad me sad when people hated her for being annoying and acting odd, because I related a lot to the way she speaks and vocal + physical mannerisms. I'm autistic and it was almost like people were making fun of her for acting ADHD or autistic versus some of her actual (imo) problems. Of course her morals and political beliefs suck so I don't support her.

[@margicates553]

As an autistic musician who has been the manic Pixie dream girl of many a libertarian tech bro/ burning man guru idiot. Hard relate. I empathize with her and yet I somehow got out before they knocked me up and took me to the scary white supremacist meetings. I barely escaped cult wife dom. But when it got too hateful and shitty I left. Not unscathed but I got out. ❤️‍🩹

[@gxttmiq]

i remember her beefing with Poppy. it was so messy lmao

[@JamesLawner]

It seems like Poppy might be the new Grimes nowadays.

[@gxttmiq]

@@JamesLawner tbh i prefer Poppy 🙏

[@MsDecens]

​@@gxttmiq apparently poppy is awful too 🤦

[@LyraAurora]

​@@JamesLawnerWait what did Poppy do? The last controversy I've heard from her was her involvement in the Mars Argo/Titanic drama, and that was years ago.

[@JamesLawner]

@@LyraAurora She still makes music, and her last video was posted like 4 months ago.

[@Valentineatelier]

I literally had no clue about the n4z1 stuff, I thought most of the criticism came from, Yknow, her dating the cartoon super villain billionaire.

[@goober_985]

yay i've been waiting for this forever

[@TamaraKane]

Same. I mean, part of me didn't want it to happen at all, but I kept seeing this descent and I had to wonder if anyone else was seeing it, too. So many of the comments on her posts still seemed positive and oblivious. There are still some holdouts, too. I wonder if it will ever be a wakeup call. Like "Woah. Maybe racist fascism was a poor life choice." It's not looking like it so far, though.

[@justpushplay100]

Can you do a how the internet fell out of love with the Jonas Brothers?

[@sentimentaltrash]

As for the dj stuff: basically in rekordbox (dj software) it sometimes analyses the songs at different bpms or half time. I dj drum and bass; so 174 a likely dnb tempo sometimes is listed as 87 bpm. When you have sync on, it will change the track that’s listed at 87 to 174 (ie syncing the tempo); however it means the sound sounds double speed. The way is an easy fix you just press x2 in export mode in rekordbox. She would have encounter the issue if she had time to practice her set 😅. Most DJs know how to dj by ear (with visuals - vinyls is not for everyone) and don’t 100% rely on sync; like it’s a case of just turning off sync, reloading the track and then making if as she stayed 173 (what sub focus usually is) just 86.5 . I have a phone with a calculator. The other issue is she outsourced her rekordbox prep - which I get it’s annoying but like…. Girl no 😂.

[@sentimentaltrash]

She also mentions the sub focus track reading at 134 instead of 173 which is weiiiiiird; as I dj him a lot and his transients (ie where kick / snare) are prominent making it easy for rekordbox to pick up the tempo. So that is honestly really odd to me. But yea an easy fix would literally just turn off sync and then wait for a moment in the track that has no beats to blend in the next track at any bpm; 3000s (standard for headline shows) make it really easy to do beat jumping and looping but that I would say is more intermediate. Which again…I get she’s busy and has a lot going on but a dj 101 would have saved this 😅

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

Also if she had just stfu and concentrated on fixing the problem instead of whining and screaming like a child at the crowd who *paid* to see her perform. Like saying "this is not my fault, but I'll take responsibility" is not taking responsibility. 🙄

[@TylaStark]

as someone named Tyla, yeah, please pick a normal name for your kids. Not only to avoid bullying, but to avoid giving your kid main character syndrome lmfao

[@chaosspy6723]

don't forget the having to correct everyone you introduce yourself to part because they never get it right the first time.

[@kiaracabrera]

Whattttt Tyla isn't a weird name. Now, assuming from your pfp, (correct me if I'm wrong), you're a guy? Yeah ngl naming a guy Tyla is a little unusual but I think it makes a beautiful and simple girl's name. There is even an up and coming south African singer who goes by the name of Tyla

[@TylaStark]

@chaosspy6723 the amount of times teachers and substitutes would somehow call me "twyla" 💀

[@TylaStark]

@kiaracabrera makes more sense if you know I'm trans and I just didn't wanna bother changing my name 😂😂😂 . And yeah, my curiosity was peaked when I saw her pop up on Spotify, pretty good stuff! Makes me wonder more about the origin of the name, since all I know is my mom took it from some british rock artist she liked, and it was his stage name, so who knows where he got it from

[@OmniBui]

she was THE waifu for the pre-conde nast P4K and 4chan's /mu/ board. those incels loved their manic pixie dream girl. idk to me, it's more about the cult of personality she has developed. without her aesthetics (omg the A E S T H E T I C S era was horrid), it's so mid i will always stan Azealia Banks, she's crazy asf and i'm ride or die! maybe the chicken deserved to be sacrificed idk i wasn't there E: 10:55 Fantano gave Visions like a 6/10 and he got SO much shit! also no, not a competent DJ. any big DJ set is pre-recorded. to do it live... at Coachella and she can't beat match?!?!?! wtf?? that's like so important! not all DJs do the hella cool transitions but you gotta do a little bit at least to keep the vibe going!

[@michelleh.5225]

yeah Pitchfork was OBSESSED with her. honestly creepy, since it was all these white men in their 30s and she was in her early 20s at the time. I think they were chronically online incel bros that had seriously never met a real woman. I'm sure they were crushing hard on Feist, Cat Power, St Vincent, etc, but those women were much less accessible since they didn't use social media like Grimes did. It honestly infuriated me as a WOC because it made me realize how these white men put white women on pedestal (albeit in a sexualizing, objectifying way) and never even give non-white women the time of day, much less support WOC in the indie music industry.

[@OmniBui]

@@michelleh.5225 you are so right! tbh it was still is pretty racist. like they used to fawn over every thin, white lady that played indie rock/ folk, but they would be so negative towards WOC who didn't play up to the white stereotypes of their race/ ethnicity. idk def feels like a lot of middle-class millennial spent so much time reinforcing racism to justify their rampart consumption bleghh

[@melrosetheatrics]

Kayla my dear, I love you and this channel. your meticulousness is so appreciated for those of us fascinated with pop culture as if it were academia. You have a bright future and such a bright present.

[@paddy1505]

Fantastic video as always Kayla! I discovered Grimes music in 2020 and love it, and found her quirks quite charming .... then I dug deeper and holy Jesus .... and this video just reminded me just how much she fell. Sad times.

[@siiyaosullivan7932]

thought i knew nothing about her truly, but in reality i knew 90 percent

[@Cloudsurfer69]

Idk why but I haven't seen any of your videos in ages! I have lots to catch up with:) Glad to see your still making content & are growing!

[@ifmusicbe6358]

I think we all just have to stop listening to insanely rich peiples music

[@claire_2288]

Man, I’ll never forget seeing an interview grimes did like a year ago where she said she liked the patriarchy because we wouldn’t have food, bridges, or modern civilization without it. 😭😂

[@michelleh.5225]

Not to mention archaeological evidence that shows that women in ancient times pioneered agriculture

[@collinmichaelkahn3918]

New sub. You’re doing a great job kid! Also sorry if that offends you but at 40 everybody is a kid to me now. You have a great no-nonsense, unbiased point of view and I like your rather droll delivery. Cheers and keep up the good work. P.S. I was a young hip kid in a hip college town when Visions first dropped in 2011. And let me just tell you: she was absolutely a trailblazing, unique, one-of-a-kind thing at that time. That album is fully a 10/10 masterpiece and even though she has followed it up with decent stuff, the best thing she ever could’ve done was drop that one album and fade intentionally into obscurity Jai Paul style. Her myth would be legendary and people would talk about her like she was a musical deity til the end of time. Some people are better left behind their personae in this regard.

[@Peterrdee]

I love her first 3 albums, artangels is great, miss anthropocene was amazing but honestly nothing will beat halfaxa/darkbloom/visions era 2010-2014

[@ALIN-mb2gn]

Love the new intro❤

[@MsCutielover]

The fact that this video could have been two hours long and still wouldn’t have enough information

[@johanna7254]

I was a big fan of Grimes' music, honestly Art Angels was one of my fave albums of 2015. I even saw her perform a set at a music festival and it was really fun! So imagine my surprise when I learned she was dating Musk. And then things got worse and worse and I just... yikes lol.

[@mobyoctopad]

Love the new intro, Kayla

[@thesovgc]

I don't think Elon and Grimes were married.

[@kaylasays]

LMAO wait yeah I just realized I said husband at the beginning and I meant boyfriend, WHOOPS thanks for flagging. I correct it later in the vid

[@Thenewboidahlia]

Ahh true, they weren’t married but she did have two of his kids. I definitely thought they were actually married for some reason though?

[@goober_985]

@@kaylasays 😭

[@ssh1487]

​@@Thenewboidahlia she had three of his kids

[@Thenewboidahlia]

@@ssh1487 thank you I didn’t realize she had another one 😭

[@threlyo]

they fell out of love once people started waking up to the fact that yt mediocrity & yt privilege are a thing, even if this realization came only to their subconscious. even the scream she let out when she realized she was not a good DJ was mediocre lmfao

[@threlyo]

tumblr ≠ the internet

[@ShinyHunterkt]

Thats racist af

[@Strawlighte]

LMAO, I love hearing your friend laugh while trying to read the houseboat bit… It’s so ridiculous

[@dyce3754]

OMG ending the video with 212 got an instant like and sub from me. ur comedic timing!!

[@Winter-Alpha-Omega]

I will always love Geidi Primes, Halfaxa, Darkbloom, Visions, Artangels and some songs of Miss Anthropocene. That being said, it's sad what has happened with Grimes. I know she was always eccentric, but she's said a tooon of tone-deaf things currently.

[@IDontLikePplPlayinOnMyPhone]

“we will talk about the nazi stuff….” Why does it feel like with these types of interesting people, there’s ALWAYS some “nazi stuff” at some point in their history? It’s gotta be on a checklist somewhere

[@crumbs-into-pebbles]

What do you mean "these types of interesting people"? Legitimate question, I'm just curious.

[@sentimentaltrash]

Ahhh so glad you covered this I lowkey wish it was longer cause there’s so much there and honestly would love more detail; I also think you’re really fair and nuanced!!

[@TamaraKane]

Yeah. There's way more unfortunately. 😕 I liked the video, too, though.

[@scottietrademark]

I somehow managed to miss who Grimes was until she got involved with Elon. Idk how that worked out, but maybe it's a blessing in disguise LOL

[@bees.857]

I didn't know the internet was ever in love with Grimes

[@blindnett]

hey, this was my interesting. Are you doing a second part of this? ‘Cause her set in Coachella Week2 was just perfect. Week1 was not that btw. She’s a really good at what she does.

[@Littlestraincloud]

"this is all very narratively dense" when justifying blasting through all that happened SENT ME

[@kelseyt4419]

I implore ppl to read that reddit thread that Kayla linked in the description! I am genuinely at a loss for words on how I feel after reading that thread.

[@yumeriaaoyayi99]

yep I'm only like a tenth way through it and it is straight up depressing af

[@atlantictiger]

Grimes strikes me as someone who uses their neurodivergence as an excuse and is therefore harming the community 😢

[@michelleh.5225]

Honestly, I don't even think she's neurodivergent. She has never come out and said she was. As someone who loves clout and getting attention for being "different", she would be the first to blast an official ADHD/autism diagnosis. Projecting that she's neurodivergent is what's harming the community.

[@atlantictiger]

@@michelleh.5225 I appreciate what you’re saying, but so many of us remain undiagnosed. We have to remember the numbers are so much higher than what is reported. So even if she doesn’t disclose it, we have no idea, so we have to do better at making spaces neurodiverse.

[@emilycinnamon]

I was too slow and didnt get tickets to one of her shows in 2015 and i regret it so much. All her bs since then… it’s truly too much for me and I would never see her now. Wish I could’ve seen her before elon

[@maxxsaltarelli6166]

Hearing 212 at the end made me get of TV KZbin to get on phone KZbin to tell you I love it thank you

[@Carter-hx3nb]

If your mind is too open anything can fall in.

[@floraposteschild4184]

Grimes was 30 when she and Musk got together -- hardly a tender, vulnerable flower. Strange they didn't stay together. They seem to be made for each other.

[@JayJay-17]

I didn’t realize that was her song at the beginning. I thought I didn’t know any Grimes songs.

[@omarrobles7851]

I went to a festival in March where Grimes was schedule to play, and thank God i choose to wait for Kendrick Lamar for 4 hours bc Claire just played her DJ set with technical difficulties according to fans on her show, they left the festival pretty pissed off.

[@valimpacted]

I think you should start planning a monster “how the internet fell out of love with kanye west” cuz there’s a lot to cover 😭

[@Taurobello]

Idk who grimes even is but I just like putting your videos and hearing your voice while I do some things at home 😅

[@HarvestStore]

Great video.

[@olyviasweetorange3361]

I love this series. Could we possibly get one on Bo Burnham??

[@user-mz2ne4yh2t]

She did the same at Mexico some weeks before Coachella, she clearly just dgaf

[@blackjackal8770]

i never even knew that the internet was ever IN love with grimes

[@blackjackal8770]

omg i made this comment before i started the video, i swear

[@devonmunn5728]

Out of all the facts stated here, Kayla having an interest in Onomastics was something i didnt expect (im into Onomastics myself)

[@darkartsninja]

Damn, so early! Anyway, when will you make the Josh Peck episode?

[@sydeLPS]

her reply to elon musk's "pronouns suck" still lives in my head. iconic

[@TamaraKane]

It was, but why did she cave?

[@sydeLPS]

@@TamaraKane That's a great question that I wish I had the answer to!

[@TamaraKane]

@@sydeLPS thank you. Same