How the Red Wings' attempts to maintain a dynasty caused their demise | Collapse

The Detroit Red Wings put together a dynasty that was on the verge of winning five Stanley Cups in 13 years. Through incredible drafting, timely trades, and contract wizardry by their GM, they had created a team that made 25-straight playoffs without ever needing to take time off to rebuild.
And then it changed.
The guys they leaned on to excel into their late 30s and early 40s began retiring. Their replacements began retiring. The free agents Detroit brought in to fill the void started signing elsewhere. The second-tier guys Detroit signed in their place didn’t produce. And the contracts given to them added up and prevented a youth movement from spreading its wings. The front office failed to catch on to a demise already underway and instead believed if they kept the streak alive and made the playoffs, then anything could happen.
But finally, in 2017, they missed the postseason and began doing so in dramatic fashion. There’s finally hope with an old face for a new GM, but Holland put the team in enough cap hell it won’t be a quick recovery.
Written and produced by Will Buikema
Edited by Alex Hawley
Shot by Mike Imhoff
Graphics by Phil Pasternak
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11:26 - 1997, not 1996
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[@md29744]

This is the less shitposting version of urinatingtree

[@BeltLineProductions]

Which makes it a bit less entertaining. But still good content. Long live the Tree!

[@hunterdvs6535]

Belt Line Productions idk I think it’s too good right now

[@kailehtinen5972]

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[@supermacguyver]

Urinatingtree's videos would be pretty alright if anyone else who's ever existed did the voice over.

[@carterreid9869]

SuperMacguyver no his voice is what makes it awesome

[@pagel.6480]

I feel like Kronwall deserved at least a mention…

[@BrockMak]

Yes, he and Jimmy Howard.

[@13DatsyukDangle13]

@@BrockMak Howard wasn't part of the dynasty though. He came along when its downfall started.

[@warhawk3972]

YOU GOT KRONWALLED are 3 of my favorite words in hockey

[@Pfsif]

Headhunter.

[@davidburt4545]

@@warhawk3972 Big Hawks fan here and I truly believe that Kronwalls crushing hit on Havlat in the '09 WCF was the very last page of the Wings dynasty.

[@kaminsod4077]

Giving out big money extensions like candy to players with the remaining shelf life of room temperature milk will do a number on any team.

[@kevinkline1947]

Tylersaurand yep, not just that. The NMC and the lengths is what was worth.. you want to pay E 4mill for 3 years whatever... 6 years for him was insane... or a HUGE contract for Abby a year after being on a line with Pavs and Holland KNOWING pavs was leaving within 2 seasons, yet gives Abby money like he was going to keep producing at that level... Holland truly thought he was the smartest man in the room

[@sttrogdor93]

The term on over 30 players killed us. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Ericsson, Kronwall, Helm, Abdelkader. Holland's "thanks for your service" contracts set the rebuild back almost 10 years.

[@venod3134]

Got slap happy after a while. Like a Heroin high, that come down was unbearable.

[@Eibarwoman]

@Omniscient Biscuit Some of the FA signings would make Abdelkader or Helm look good. Stephen Weiss for example.

[@WhiteRussianrock]

Among the current or recent former Red Wings with no-trade clauses in their (too long, too expensive) contracts: Justin Abdelkader, Gustav Nyquist, Darren Helm, Danny DeKeyser, Jonathan Ericsson. An absolute recipe for long-term occupancy in the basement. And it's entirely on Ken Holland.

[@BloggerMusicMan]

The 2002 Detroit Red Wings were the best team I've ever seen in my years watching hockey. Dominik Hasek, Chris Chelios, Niklas Lidstrom, Pavel Datsyuk, Brendan Shanahan, Brett Hull, Igor Larionov, Steve Yzerman, Sergei Federov, Luc Robataille (that's 10 Hall of Famers on one team!). Hell, even their role players, Kris Draper, Kirk Maltby, Darren McCarty, Mathieu Dandenault, Tomas Holmstrom, Manny Legace as a back-up, were all excellent in their roles. And they could play really well together and beat you any way they liked. They were tough, they had finesse, they had shooting and they were great defensively. You'd never have a team like that now in the salary cap era. But one of the good things about that team was its owner was really involved and willing to spend money. I'm a bit surprised Mike Ilitch wasn't mentioned in this video. I think his death played a role too.

[@dustyb58]

It's incredible how that team won ONE game in their final 10 and lost the first two playoff games to Vancouver. Then they flipped a switch.

[@BloggerMusicMan]

@@dustyb58 Getting a bit too confident I guess. They still finished with 116 points and the Presidents Trophy despite not doing well down the stretch. I guess it took losing those two playoff games to realize they had to wake up. That Vancouver team was a good eight seed too. They had one of the better lines in hockey at that point and a solid defence corps.

[@kdutch98]

@@BloggerMusicMan No, they didn't get too confident. They had the Presidents trophy wrapped up with about 12 games left to play, so Scotty Bowman started resting players. A LOT. And it almost bit them in the ass. But, after losing the first 2 games at home to Vancouver, they caught a break in Game 3, with the Lidstrom shot.....THEN they flipped on the switch. But, when the team REALLY flipped on the switch, was when they fell behind Colorado 3 games to 2 in the Conference Finals. Colorado didn't score a single goal after game 5.

[@ryangaskin4938]

@@BloggerMusicMan that Canucks team was on fire going into the playoffs that year too. Might have pulled off the upset too had Cloutier not allowed that centre ice goal to Lidstrom in game 3. That completely changed the tide of that series. I still miss those West Coast Express days though.

[@BloggerMusicMan]

@@kdutch98 The point about Bowman resting his players is a really good point for why they lost most of their last 10 games. I'll definitely take that into consideration. I know that's how the Vancouver series went chronologically, but I'm not a fan of explanations that involve one moment changing the tide in a series. Martin Brodeur gave up a goal in the 2003 Stanley Cup Finals that was similar in a lot of ways (weak shot, second period Game 3, gives the Ducks a 2-1 lead) and the Devils still went on to win. I think probably because the Devils were a superior and experienced team. And don't get me wrong, as important as the Lidstrom goal was in deciding Game 3, it's still Vancouver's prerogative to get it together for games 4, 5 and 6, which either they didn't do, Detroit just played better or (probably) a mix of both. The Colorado point is interesting. I think falling behind in a series, not just in games, is more convincing as an explanation for why that lights a fire under a team. Especially when it's potentially do or die. That Colorado team was also a defending Stanley Cup champion with a very stacked roster in itself, so falling behind to them was not that shocking to begin with. Everyone knew that series was going to be competitive.

[@noirceur_]

As a Michigander and Wings fan this video is honestly so sad. These guys gave so much life to the collapsing city around them.

[@thebestchannel5456]

Collapsing city? 🤷‍♀️

[@johndoe-fq7ez]

they did what they had to do to save the team, you got five championships in thirteen years now you suck lol but you had a hell of a run

[@furioussherman7265]

What I find so incredible about this is that even when the team was falling apart, they were still able to make the playoffs for 25 consecutive years. I think that really speaks to the talents of core players like Nick Lidstrom, Pavel Datsuyk, and Henrik Zetterberg most of all.

[@filipnassen9076]

Yeah but the obsessive drive to make it to the playoffs every year made the rebuild more and more difficult. Eventually they had nothing left to build on.

[@stopdroolin8418]

@@filipnassen9076 They just didn't utilize their rookie players at the time. Nyquist, Tatar are both still very good NHL players right now and if things went the way they should've they both wouldve blossomed into even better players if Ken Holland just had faith and was smart with them. They brought them up late they were both like 23 or 24 years old when they made the wings. When instead they should've been brought up when they were both about 21 or 22 years old because they were both ready then but again all that is mainly because Ken Holland didn't want to disrupt the core players at the time when Nyquist and Tatar were there to kick off a new Era for the wings and were the guys to build around at that time. I distinctly remeber me and my brothers talking about this when tatar and Nyquist started getting 22 23ish years old that Ken Holland and Babcock were waiting to long to make them full time Red Wings. They had Zetterberg til like 2018, so to say they couldn't have made the playoffs each year after it ended given the circumstances is laughable because they very well could have kept that train rolling but Ken Holland was not good at knowing when to bring players up from the AHL and Mike Babcock didn't help with that either because it should've been a priority at the time. They'll get back to their winning ways this season.

[@nickhughes8179]

Babcock was likely busy going through Larkin and Tatar’s phones

[@kingsally2864]

absolutely no mention of kronwall, THE DISRESPECT

[@eugenekrabs8497]

King Salvador the guy that made this deserves to get kronwalled lol

[@Dabbztv]

I grew up watching Detroit win cups and Kronwall was a nobody.

[@kingsally2864]

@Mooky Blaylock picking kronwall over draper anyday

[@MetalDetroit]

Dabbz_tv Kronwall was a nobody ? Godamn - you may have watched hockey, but you don’t understand it.

[@CanadaMudkip]

Man retired

[@Humbilly]

Thanks for the video. 17-18 was the first season that both the Detroit Red Wings AND the Montreal Canadians missed the playoffs in the same year, since the NHL started. They repeated the feat in 18=19.

[@officerkatiej645]

And it happened a 2nd year in a row

[@stpbasss3773]

@@officerkatiej645 that's what he said genius 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@-BUGZ-]

@@stpbasss3773 he obviously edited to add that in.. genius.

[@stpbasss3773]

@@-BUGZ-edited or not my point still stands, the guy in the video said this already.

[@wdn4l535]

Looks like it'll happen again this year. Still lots of hockey to be played though. Detroit is currently the worst team in hockey but Montreal can still the make playoffs if they pull their heads out of their asses.

[@achildr1]

Datsyuk was still great when he left. Any real hockey fan knows that.

[@Connor.w07]

Alex Childress true

[@jonbeers9045]

I could definitely notice in his last few years as a Red Wing that he was slowing down. But he absolutely still had his hands, just didn't have his speed like when he was younger... Injuries definitely didn't help him.. as someone who has been a diehard Wings fan for my entire life

[@nicks9192]

He was still good but he was declining

[@peteanderson6121]

He always scared me whenever the bruins played the wings

[@33moneyball]

Very good....he was no longer great

[@pillarsofserpents]

as a 32-year old Red Wings fan, I must admit that I'm not mad about the rebuild/end of the dynasty. I'm grateful that I was able to witness my team win championships as a child in 97/98, teen in 2002, and college kid in 2008. so many RW fans either are too young to remember the 90s cups, or old enough to remember the Dead Wings era. I feel blessed to have been born when I was born. Sure, it sucks that it all fell apart, but man, FOUR CUPS in my lifetime? That was fun/awesome and I think someday Stevie will get us back there. Until then, we'll cherish the memories and root for the current team!

[@rollingdudes8859]

As a Dallas Stars fan I HATED THE RED WINGS!!! They beat us in 1998 and 2008 in the WCF en route to the Stanley Cup. When the Stars 11 year run of greatness ended in 2008, they only fell into MEDIOCRITY until we got Jim Nill from Detroit and now, we are WINNING AGAIN!!! I went to a Stars vs. Red Wings Game in 2005 at the AAC and MY GOD the Red Wing fans were SO ANNOYING after they won. The BRAGGED ALL THE WAY TO THE PARKING LOT!!!

[@pillarsofserpents]

@@rollingdudes8859 sorry, dude. we're not all like that.

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

@@rollingdudes8859 Dallas didn’t deserve the glorious Minnesota North Stars

[@PaddyFlatts]

The Red Wings most likely would have won the Cup in 2013 if they managed to beat the Blackhawks, they were the two hottest teams that postseason and it's a shame they had to meet in the 2nd round.

[@ColdToiletSeats]

totally agree .. I wish he would of mentioned this cause we were up like 3-1 in the series or something too right? lost game 6 by 1 goal and game 7 in OT ... not one mention that Hawks go on to win the cup

[@corychinn8575]

@@ColdToiletSeats ooo one of the greatest series i've lived to see

[@deBebbler]

Until you remember that our scrappy squad of rookies would have had to get past a brutal and banging LA Kings that won the Cup the year prior and would again the year after. While I have extremely fond memories of the Wing's 2013 playoffs, I don't for a minute think they would have survived those Kings. I'm surprised Chicago did.

[@8014rick]

If Lidstrom would have stayed another year who knows how deep that run would have been... Ugg

[@jonholland9042]

Definitely should have been mentioned as a last hurrah moment or something. That wings team was at least a cup contender

[@mcj88]

One thing lots of people forget about the playoff streak is just how much longer it _could have_ been: Between 1967 and 1983 the "Dead Wings", as people called them then, only made the playoffs twice, in 1970 (losing to Chicago) and in 1978 (beating Atlanta then losing to Montreal). After that though it was like a switch flipped, and between 1984 and 2016 the Wings _missed_ the postseason just twice, in 1986 and 1990. That's *29 out of 32* seasons where they saw the playoffs.

[@alwillk]

They were good in 86-87 made it to back to back conference finals. just some dumb trades by Lemers. Oates for Federko and Murphy, Klima, and Graves for Carson.

[@danmaier2824]

You can't talk about this dynasty without mentioning that from their loss to the Devils in 95 to their loss to the Penguins in 08, they were either in the Finals or lost to the team that made the Finals.

[@manzac112]

Dallas: (In 1998-90 & 1999-00) Are they gone? LA Kings: (In 2000-01) Yeah, they're gone.

[@elijahmoretti7714]

I knew this was coming. Sad Wings fan 😢

[@Karmy.]

Same :(

[@anthonycomer8410]

Elijah Moretti you got nothing to sad about! 25 years in the playoffs? 3 cups? AND you Yzerman back! Your guys future is bright.

[@raw2thejaw]

Anthony Hayes 4 cups*

[@anthonycomer8410]

raw2thejaw Yes my mistake. I Always forget 2008 for some reason.

[@Karmy.]

Our team is basically an embarrassment now

[@JutiMayranen]

You should do a collapse video about Edmonton Oilers and it's 1980s dynasty.

[@imaratspal]

When you lose your leader and best player then the next year, lose your top 2 scorers, of course your team will collapse.

[@burnzyburnswild]

I know. I’m surprised he even chose the Wings dynasty. The oilers one is really worth talking about

[@djtrankilo231]

Here it makes sense now since Holland is now with Edmonton

[@kiker0909]

Or now.

[@GooseGumlizzard]

@@imaratspal but they didn't collapse, they even went on to win another Cup in 1990 , and that was without Gretzky, Coffey, or Fuhr (who was on the team but wasn't the starter anymore)

[@malcolmk2878]

The downfall of the Wings happened when Ken Holland's ego got in the way. This collapse, I am 100% confident, could have been avoided had he stepped down as GM and let Stevey Y take over when it was first proposed. That said- Aside from the 2000-2001 Colorado Avalanche, the Detroit Red Wings, for close to 15 years, were hands down THE best team in the NHL. It always absolutely sucked playing against them.

[@markboston9303]

their skating defense was always really good. not too many bruisers but many high IQ guys that disrupted you from making good passes or being comfortable around blue line. Lot of speed and aggressive attacking and a lot of two way players so you can't matchup or exploit weakness, except for size.

[@leonidas7281]

100% spot on.

[@toddjohnson271]

Apparent that Bowman raised Hollands status. As soon as the Bowman family moved to Chicago, Ken was exposed.

[@rollingdudes8859]

What about Jim Nill, He is a GREAT GM for my Dallas Stars.

[@csnide6702]

it would have saved time in the rebuild

[@BWyatt76]

The players mentioned in this video were legends. Legends can never be replaced. I remember reading on a message board one time, someone criticizing Holland for not replacing Lidstrom. Lidstrom is one of the best defenceman ever, he can't be replaced.

[@austinryan9382]

As a life long Wings fan , I can tell you that the knowledgeable fans in Detroit knew that the 09 finals loss to the penguins was the end. The Wings were old by then and key players would be gone with in a year or so... Homer, Nicky, and Ozzie were on their last legs. Thank you for all the great years Wings!!!!

[@hugh2hoob668]

pens longest playoff drought was 6 playoffs in a row 1982-83 thru 88-89 only 6 years lol nice try weve only missed playoffs 17 times in 51 years pens haters make up fake facts lol

[@austinryan9382]

@@hugh2hoob668 ...Loool nobody hates the Pens, don't flatter yourself! I like the Pens and always have since super Mario. I don't care how many years you "made the playoffs" , The horrible Detroit Lions make the playoffs every now and then.. that doesn't mean they are relevant. The Pens were never considered a real contender those years, not like the perennial favorite Wings were. Why are you even talking about that on this comment? Wings haters must be delusional lol.

[@hugh2hoob668]

@@austinryan9382 red wings took 42 years to win another cup

[@hugh2hoob668]

@@austinryan9382 your dumbass claimed they missed for 20 years which was crap

[@hugh2hoob668]

@@austinryan9382 im sorry we dethroned your team and caused its downfall

[@TheGeneralZubas]

1:05 Miss Ya Pavel. Miss ya Z. Y'all played great. Ill never forget how good you both were on the Ice..

[@TheNorthie]

1997-2008 was the dynasty I grew up with. It’s such a great time to have been a wings fan. The Russian Five, the Grind Line, Stevie Y and the Avs rivalry. It was pure bliss for any Red Wings fan. Now ten years later we are bottom dwelling team with bad contracts, a washed up Ken Holland and an uncaring owner. The future looks bright with Steve Yzerman in management but it’s too early to say if this will change anything or just stay the same.

[@youthanasia1982]

I wouldn't consider Chris Ilitch "uncaring." He cared enough to get Yzerman back. He just isn't Mike.

[@KimarKurosaski]

I was born in 97 and didn’t become a hockey fan until after the 08 run so my only experience is heartbreak really. I like the young core we were left in an ok position not great not terrible.

[@raw2thejaw]

The Northie the future looked bright before Stevie even became our new GM. Holland has been making a lot of good trades & has been drafting well.. not to mention Larkin,AA,mantha,bertuzzi etc. plus we have a lot of good prospects.. the Griffins won the Calder cup twice in recent years.. Stevie has a headstart now bc Holland left him with some good prospects.. now I can’t wait until a few of these bad contracts are up!!!!

[@raw2thejaw]

Iraq Lobsta!! 45 the rumor is that MR.I wanted him to keep the streak alive & wanted him to sign those contracts.. every GM would Atleast make a couple mistakes while they’re working with a team.. for him being at the top for so long it’s actually pretty impressive on how good he was at hiring the right people etc. I wouldn’t want any other GM other then Stevie.. but I’m really happy Stevie is replacing holland...Good luck Edmonton if you give him some time he will deff right your ship & seeing that you’re team is already good, hopefully he gets them into the playoffs next year before Conor Mcdavid snaps LMAO

[@Knightmessenger]

@@youthanasia1982 If you've seen any news about the parking lots and boarded up buildings surrounding the new arena (compared to all the development that is happening within blocks of non Illitch owned land), it's hard to see Chris Illitch as caring. They've broken almost every promise other than the arena itself and there's more development happening by the stadium the family left 20 years ago (Tiger Stadium in Corktown) than the brand new one surrounded by their properties.

[@User120s]

Damn the background music makes the red wing collapse feel like the end of the world.

[@zacm5618]

P Cousin it kinda was if youre a '90's kid. Thats all I ever knew as a kid was red wing hockey

[@DJiNstncT]

For some of us wings fans, it was

[@trollkenobi6727]

then if it was 5 billion years later

[@dls182]

Don't normally do this, but I'm commenting before watching the video. This one is going to hurt.....

[@nhlvan]

Always love when sbnation adds a hockey video

[@johnstjohn1987]

YES ANOTHER EPISODE! I LOVE THIS SERIES!

[@lukeshaffer9316]

Yep. Been waiting on this one for a while. Knew it was bound to come. Actually brought a tear to my eye being a life long Red Wings fan. But hey, Stevie Y is back, we got those four young guns, the future is looking up for Detroit.

[@edwinstafford4268]

I can’t wait to see what Stevie Y is going to do, I think in another 2-3 years we’ll be back into being a playoff contender. I also think we need to name Larkin captain. But not for at least another year

[@staleystyleincorporated]

@@edwinstafford4268 funny how the future works

[@maxrcrypto]

Every team has to rebuild at some point. Had Suter and Parise signed the consequences had been really bad long term, but they can recover from where they are now and have already started to.

[@carolinekelman2403]

Especially from the contracts they got from the Wild.

[@iansteelmatheson]

yeah that did not work out well for Minnesota at all haha

[@noahj.1232]

Thank you for making a hockey collapse video. Please make more.

[@robbiekite170]

Slowly becoming one of my favorite series on SB nation

[@headjuice125]

What goes up must come down. We were spoiled in Detroit with the team we had, but as Steve Dangle said when going over a 2017 Wings loss against Toronto, 'Wings remind me of The Leaf's when they were last in the league. Young, eager, fun to watch, full of heart, and missing one key piece (For Tor it would later be Matthews).' Still holding out hope that we get a higher draft pick next year compared to what we've been getting the last few years.

[@kptbroncano]

This is painful to watch, as a Red Wings fan. Hoping they turn it around sooner.

[@wdn4l535]

Rough times ahead for us bro. Worst team in hockey right now. Time to fire the coach and sign Gallant. It seems as though he has fallen into our laps. I think we sign him this offseason.

[@DJiNstncT]

@J M yupp. And still upset about that 09 cup loss 😣😣

[@kptbroncano]

Talking Productions i’m very optimistic about that. And in no time, we’ll be Stanley Cup champs once again. 🏆

[@JP_Vang]

Detroit and Colorado rivalry in the 90's was insane. I've yet to see hockey like that to this day. I'm so glad I got to experience it in my lifetime. Still a Wigs fan despite them not being as good as they used to be. I will always be their fan. Stevie Y was my idol as a kid and I still have his jersey whenever I watch a Wings game. They'll be back to glory one day.

[@rollingdudes8859]

What about the Stars in the 1990s. The Stars played either the Red Wings or Avalanche in the WCF?

[@viceregentofducanada9384]

I’ve been waiting for this one for a while. The pain still lurks as a Red Wings fan.

[@andrewcicconi5703]

I would gladly take this collapse after all that glory. As a flyers fan I hope I see them win once before I die

[@wyomingptt]

This is probably as close as I'm gonna get to a rewinder on that final shot in the 09 SCF lol.

[@rhedde1]

The shot that stings more is Zetterberg hitting the post about 45 seconds earlier. We had so many chances G7.

[@timmyjohnson1195]

hfg yeah, like honesty we should’ve won in 09 as well. Hossa was horseshit in the playoffs.

[@ericbrewerguitar1499]

Timmy Johnson unfortunately for the Wings, Max Talbot had other ideas. I’m a Pens fan but the 08 and 09 Finals were both some of the most exciting hockey I’ve ever seen. Each team was destined to win the year that they did

[@hockeyfan131993]

@@rhedde1 we should have won that effing series. I dont think Malkin dominates games 3 and 4 in pitt with Datsyuk in the lineup. And so many missed chances in games 6 and 7 :(

[@FMichael1970]

@@ericbrewerguitar1499 Can't argue with that...I recall reading somewhere in which Babcock (or was it Holland) mentioned how the Wings were gassed - as in the younger Pens really pushed them to the limit in '09.

[@Chumbama]

I'd rather have my favorite team go down this path of a collapse than be good every year and never win a cup. Sincerely St Louis Blues fan

[@joshlewis575]

Good luck tomorrow

[@Diabolus1978]

Congrats on the cup

[@CanadaMudkip]

Congrats

[@kyledechau5955]

Look how the comment aged

[@laymelow]

wantsome7655 me too!! Glad they did!!! When the saints come marching in!!!!

[@kailehtinen5972]

Keep it up Will! You made good on your word for more hockey content this week, good stuff!

[@Radjonx123]

Midway through the Wings final season at the Joe, Detroiters had declared the 2nd coming of the Dead Wings. At the end of 2018 the Pistons were the only Detroit team to have a winning record that year.... 1 game up from an even record. Its a rough time for Detroit sports fans

[@Karmy.]

Yep Lions stink as usual Pistons are meh Red Wings are back to being the Dead Wings and oh god the Tigers

[@eila2088]

Got best GM in league and recent cups :shrug:

[@Radjonx123]

@@Karmy. Yeah theyve come a long way from a crew of stevie wonder clones we had last year. At least now they can see the ball.

[@Radjonx123]

@@eila2088 Youre obviously not a Detoriter

[@LancasterResponding]

Let’s hope that happens to Boston teams soon

[@richardrybarczyk5522]

With Stevie back as the general manager I expect to see them back on real soon. Go Wings!

[@factbeaglesarebest]

Lol

[@AT-il2ej]

LOL

[@dmullz100]

he's gonna do a good job but nothing great.

[@rollingdudes8859]

Should have made JIM NILL the GM!!! Anyway as a STARS fan THANK YOU!!!

[@andrewreinwand4942]

I love these types of videos and getting a more in-depth look at history of franchises. I really enjoy seeing the newspaper article headlines and such, for some reason I always find those fascinating.

[@4815162342sbf]

Absolutely love this series, awesome work.

[@bryanttisdale2446]

A Almost series * -The late 80's - early 90's Houston Oilers run. -The Mick Vick Falcons. -Ray Allen, Glen Robinson, Cassel Milwaukee bucks. -90's Cleveland Indians. -Bernie Kosar Cleveland browns. -2000's Oakland A's Giambi, tejeda, Zitto, Mulder, Hudson. - The Philadelphia Flyers legion of doom line . Lindros, Leclair, Reneberg

[@gavinwarner3480]

Bryant Tisdale This is the best idea I’ve ever heard

[@jasonfire3434]

90s Knicks and Pacers Steve Nash Suns Chargers with Rivers

[@bryanttisdale2446]

@@jasonfire3434 The chargers team with . Rivers , Gates, lights out, LT, Darren Sproles, Michael Turner. Loaded! And came up short. Smh

[@BrianYochem]

I was never really a basketball fan but the time I was when the bucks had Ray Allen, Glen Robinson, and Sam Cassel.

[@livifan45]

Also should feature the Bills 4 Superbowl Losses.

[@AdequateEmily]

I am so happy for more hockey content!

[@juicycuter]

Amazing video. Thanks for creating and posting.

[@NKQuantum1293]

I have been an avid Detroit fan for my entire life. I have the Video Paused. I am extreemly happy you made a Collapse video about them because I want my pain out for everyone to see. Very humbling. But regardless, You guys are awesome. Keep it up cause we all want more.

[@guccigucci5002]

growing up ill never forget the teams with hasek, yserman, shannahan, federov, chilious. lindstrom etc so loaded

[@draheim90]

Mike Ilitch was the most important piece to the Wings' success. Scotty Bowman elevated the team to championship level, and their Swedish scout whose name I forget (Andersson, maybe?) kept the European pipeline flowing by securing amazing players late in rounds/drafts. When they won the cup in 2008 I think Brad Stuart was the only player on the roster that had been drafted in the first round (and not by Detroit), and remember Lidstrom and Franzen were 3rd rounders, Datsyuk a 6th rounder, Zetterberg 7th round, Holmstrom 10th, and so on. Yes they benefited from free agency and trading for players that wanted to come to Detroit to win a cup. But it's hard to argue that they just bought their success when in some aspects it was the opposite, many players (e.g., Lidstrom) agreed to play for less money and the team was loaded with star players they had drafted themselves in late rounds. It's especially impressive given that they often had fewer draft picks and, due to their success, their draft picks were always toward the end of each round.

[@Nem1606]

Hakan Andersson

[@kozmeetorez]

Thanks You! Kenny is the most overrated gm. He came into the team in 97. We had already been to the cup. we already had Steve, lids, Fedz, Drapes, Shanahan, Vladimir and Murphy.

[@ChrisRobbins1231]

Love this. Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@lylamcdowell7200]

I love these vids you guys should seriously put these on Amazon so I can listen to them at work

[@derekwalker87]

Will's vocal pauses in his narration give me life. "Part of the original core remained: The... grind line's Kris Draper." Don't know why, but it does it for me.

[@elm3126]

No mention of that epic 2nd round series between The Blackhawks vs these Red Wings. No mention of Hossa going and leaving the Red Wings. I’m just saying you mentioned everything else. Should have put that as part of the story.

[@laurent1144]

They mentioned Hossa leaving

[@OvieKovy]

These are so well done good job SB

[@dabootv]

what an amazing video, really good work guys!

[@MGAF688]

With 6 Stanley Cup Finals appearances and 4 Cups, no one is feeling sorry for them outside of Detroit. The Red Wings 15-year run as a seriously contending team is a lot longer than most teams ever enjoy.

[@rcviolet6]

4 of those Stanley cup finals appearances with 3 cup victories occurred before any league wide salary cap was implemented ans enforced Up until 2006 they seemingly could purchase any notable free agent they wished

[@yinzer2231]

from 2005 to now Pens have the longest active playoff appearance streak

[@robertmillikan600]

Very valid point. I would say 2013-14 onforward is a cautionary tale for teams like Blackhawks and Kings who had past success that probably need to rebuild instead of try to hang onto past glory before its too late

[@HerbChao14xs]

Basically Pats Fan's lives too...once BRady and BElicheck retire that will be pretty much over too #enjoyGoodTimes #whileItLasts

[@nolanvernon6667]

Fun fact: Hossa played for 3 teams in 3 years, making the finals in each, and winning only the 3rd time (with the Blackhawks, where he beat the Red wings in the conference final).

[@jkdm7653]

"Carpetbagger"???

[@Jgriffy]

Even funner fact. Big Hoss joined the Wings after his Penguins lost to them in the '08 finals. A year later he makes it back to the SCF, a rematch against his former Penguins team, losing a heartbreaking game 7. Third time's the charm for Hossa, as he finally finds a home with the Blackhawks the next year and makes it back to the finals, 3 years consecutively, to win his first Stanley Cup.

[@Knightmessenger]

Wings and Blackhawks did not meet in 2010 playoffs.

HELL YES!!!!! I was one of a few guys who suggested this on the last Collapse vid.

[@zrayray3054]

These videos are fire thanks for making

[@brettpatterson404]

I think Chelios and Franzen needed to be highlighted in the beginning

[@jeffheller4180]

Franzen’s injury+contract were the biggest reason the wings fell apart IMO.

[@seanwalters1977]

@@jeffheller4180 Gambled on Franzen and let Hossa walk. Still haunts this organization to this day

[@zacm5618]

Sean Walters hossa was never gonna re-sign with us

[@seanwalters1977]

@@zacm5618 lol

[@zacm5618]

Sean Walters I get it. Its funny to me too

[@piggybankvillan]

I'm so glad they're rebuilding now. You could tell it needed to happen ever since the Nashville loss. Now we can get some blue chip prospects to get excited about, and only a few more years until the bad contracts come off the books.

[@holliefitzzz]

Thanks for this!

[@malcolmclayton6651]

Well written .All things shall pass . Maintaining a energy level in groups is difficult and injury takes its toll .All the best .

[@werdnay9136]

Please do the collapse of the New York Jets after their back to back afc championship appearances 2010-2012!

[@SecretBaseSBN]

Come back in two weeks

[@biscuitsforsmut2791]

Random Man? Chad Pennington. Didn’t even need a clip.

[@mattybaseball4418]

@@biscuitsforsmut2791 Mark Sanchez

[@alwillk]

I can sum up the Jets collapse in two words. Mark Sanchez.

[@jagutichsachma]

Should have went full rebuild after Lidström retirement and striking out in FA.

[@alexsheddan5479]

Giving out big money extensions like candy to players with the remaining shelf life of room temperature milk will do a number on any team.

[@RetroRaven8]

It's great to be a wings fan, it's tough to see us struggling these days but our 25 year playoff streak was really something to behold. With a solid core developing and well managed draft pics we'll rise to glory again soon. LGRW

[@anthonygalbo9348]

This video makes me cry!

[@eliteninja7912]

Thank you for finally doing a hockey team🙂

[@HashtagWhattaNerd]

I love the video, but there’s some stuff worth mentioning that’s left out. 1. Owner Mike Illitch was the reason for the bad contracts and prolonging the rebuild we needed after the 2013 season. He demanded we compete, as would his other team, the Detroit Tigers. It’s not a coincidence that 2 teams from the same city with the same owner made the same poor decisions. He signed aging vet Victor Martinez over Dave Dombrowski’s head the same way he pushed for Ericsson and Abdelkader to get lengthy extensions. 2. Johan Franzen’s concussion issues should be at the forefront of the collapse. We picked him over Hossa and then watched Franzen kill himself to get on the ice. He quite literally can’t skate again because of brain trauma. If Hossa was there instead, we probably win in 2013. If neither are there, we would have been able to overpay Suter/Parise, but they likely still go to Minnesota. Nonetheless, I have a genuine theory that the Franzen signing changed the entire NHL post lockout. If that move is different, the entire league changes. 3. It’s unfair to leave out the severity of our lack of first round draft picks from 2000-2009. We had 3 in 10 years while others had 3 in the same year. Coupled with the career ending health scare for our future #1 defenseman in Jiri Fischer back in the mid 2000’s, the organization couldn’t grow talent on the back end that led to our collapse.

[@biscuitsforsmut2791]

Hossa wasn’t signing up to play for Babcock. He wouldn’t sign up to play for Theirian the year before, either.

[@tonylax619]

Collapse videos are great, but a collapse video about the Red Wings brought a smile to my heart. Top 3 collapse videos ever.

[@seychellesman1delta]

Excellent very well made video.

[@Blue-dx4sd]

Future 2023 cup champions

[@MMGJ10]

Might wanna give it a couple more years than that

[@XD123771]

Late 2020’s probably

[@kraqah]

@J M The Red Wings didn't actually start rebuilding until Yzerman replaced Holland. Ken continued to resign veterans and throw money at old free agents while chasing the 8th seed. Still saddled with Holland's contracts but Stevie is making all the right moves and the odds are pretty good he turns it around.

[@kylegalen6863]

Greatest dynasty in NHL history. Change my mind. I’m waiting

[@manzac112]

70s Canadiens and 80s Oilers: Allow us to reintroduce ourselves.

[@xanderkropp2985]

More of these please!!!!!!

[@MAGzNET0]

Being a Wings fan all my life and only being 24 all I knew was them being great. Slowly I’ve watched my idols leave the team and the play decline. However growing up only knowing them as great will make me appreciate their build back up to greatness that much better. Happy to see Stevie Y (the Captian) back home. The true rebuild begins.

[@rollingdudes8859]

Should have made Jim Nill the GM!!!

[@chrisa5473]

The Cincinnati Reds - from a championship in 1990 to clubhouse fights, front office turmoil and Griffey’s unfortunate snake-bit homecoming.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

Also, nobody goes to their games. Seriously, nobody.

[@stevemineer2857]

Pete Rose built that team. Once he was gone it fell apart. Pinella inherited it.

[@TheFanatic1000]

Please do a Pistons and Tigers collapse as well!!!

[@rohansingh7698]

Pro Unboxer 96 I would add Lions collapse... but unfortunately there’s nothing to collapse from. I’m a sad Detroiter

[@Hail2Pitt412]

Tigers for sure. How they never won a title with all that talent is just baffling.

[@TheFanatic1000]

@@Hail2Pitt412 that starting rotation....just unbelievable

[@shaneg4383]

Pro Unboxer 96 actually if you really look at it if dotels arm doesn’t literally die and Valverde doesn’t forget how to pitch that 2013 team would’ve won

[@djtrankilo231]

YEESSS!! The Pistons need one. That roster with Rip, Ben and Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince and the other members of that roster scared me.

[@Rad_Thibodeaux]

This was ridiculously good 👌, subscribing

[@ADL21]

Loving the hockey content, keep it up!

[@french_frie_king3326]

Do a moment in history/rewinder for when the red Sox and Cubs broke their respective curses

[@poonking3628]

Tropikal_Fries And White Sox

[@mjwatts1983]

Cubs since they were also against a team trying to break a long championship drought

[@callmesoftware8633]

Collapse ideas: -How the Cavs wasted LeBron's talents, and when he left, just fell apart -How the Phillies turned from perennial contenders to an old regressing franchise -How the Indians f***ed up their chances in the late 90s and did it even more in the 2000s -How the Dbacks ousting a packed Yankees team remains only in memory -How the LA Kings lost glass shoes after Cinderella runs (see what I did there?)

[@lukeshaffer9316]

The Cavaliers collapse is just getting started, friend. Just you wait.

[@callmesoftware8633]

@@lukeshaffer9316 I meant LeBron's first stint

[@codysandusky2130]

@@callmesoftware8633 when it's all said and done, you could probably do a separate episode for each or a super-sized episode tying them both together.

[@callmesoftware8633]

Did you even bother to read the rest

[@scottrohrbeck7672]

For the Phillies, on one hand I agree that would make an interesting video to see how horribly we fell to from what we had with 2008 and how good we were in the years after. On the other hand, we're the favorites to win the division and hopefully with players like Hoskins, Harper and Segura, I do feel a World Series is destined for this team in due time. Also, I asked them on Twitter if they would be doing a collapse video on the LA Kings, and they said they have it on the list. So it sounds like that one's coming eventually.

[@andrejamison2723]

He forgot to mention the NHL new free agency rules as far as contract signing it also made it hard for the Red wings to sign free agents with a salary cap it was all designed to stop the trade from loading up like they did before when it had Brett Hall and those guys.

[@yleecoyote100]

These collapse videos are the absolute best

[@BruceWayne-mb4hk]

We all knew it was going to happen one day. We’re a few years into the rebuild now and we got Yzerman back. There is not where to go but back up.

[@danimalman3]

Collapse: Sacramento Kings, from being title contenders in the early 2000s to rebuilding for 10+ years.

[@nicholasonufrak]

This was very well written, narrated and presented.

[@poonking3628]

Can you do one of these for a reminder: - Alec Martinez’s 2OT goal in 2014 Finals - Alec Martinez’s OT goal vs CHI in Game 7 of the WCF - Patty Kane’s OT goal vs LA game 5 WCF - Patty Kane’s OT goal vs Philly to end 49 year drought - Brent Seabrook’s OT goal vs DET in Game 7 of 2013 - Patrice Bergeron OT goal to cap comeback vs TOR in Game 7 of 2013 - Martin Gelinas’ OT goal vs Vancouver in 2004 Game 7 - Brendan Morrow’s 4OT vs SJ in 2008 - Darren Helm’s OT goal vs CHI in 2009 to send Wings to the finals - Kozlov’s goal in 1995 vs CHI to send Wings to the Finals for the first time in 29 years - Ray Whitney’s 2OT goal vs CGY in 1995 - Uwe Krupp’s 3OT goal in 1996 Finals to win cup. - Adam Deadmarsh’s OT goal to beat DET in 2001.

[@brotherpanda3626]

you need to do the collapse of the Dallas Cowboys post-dynasty. Took six years to go from the top of the world to back to back 5-11 seasons and keeps pumping out drama

[@callmesoftware8633]

I already saw this coming

[@tedthomas9038]

These "collapse" videos are just plain AWESOME!

[@kybaker8177]

Best sports series on KZbin

[@ChannelyChannel]

Stevie Y will make them good again

[@TheBetterGamerz]

God I hope

[@matthoffman6962]

Yup! They need a goalie though. And will probably take about 3 years

[@jfedol7760]

@Charlie Cross were rebuilding idiot lol, its gonna take a couple years with the contracts off and some draft luck to become competitive again.

[@laurent1144]

@Charlie Cross How stupid are you? Look at Tampa as a roadmap. However long it took him to change them is how long he'll need here. I saw the results, I'm okay waiting.

[@aceassn716]

Forgot to mention what happened to Vladimir Konstitnov... that drunk limo driver! A shame really

[@kdutch98]

While that was a tragic event, it really had no bearing on their "collapse" They won 3 cups AFTER Konstantinov was injured....

[@Kwright304]

@@kdutch98 Konstantinov has his name on the 98 cup, check yourself. They won 2.5 without him.

[@Kwright304]

@J M Vladdy/Jiri/Franzen, the big 3 of tragic endings. Too much focus goes onto Franzen for his cap hit and bad contract. It’s not part of the game for us fans to be involved in. His paycheck isn’t our business, he deserved a better hockey story.

[@kdutch98]

@@Kwright304 Yes, he has his name on the Cup for '98. But the Wings had to petition the league to allow them to add him. They won 1 cup with him playing, and 3 cups without him playing. His accident, while tragic, had NOTHING to do with their collapse that happened over 10 years later.

[@JameAndy-be1pv]

I would gladly take this collapse after all that glory. As a flyers fan I hope I see them win once before I die

[@jimmyw1607]

Good video. Can't wait for the inevitable Lakers episode, which will be like all the previous Collapse episodes blended into one.

[@shaun7867]

Great vid mate thank u

[@ColdToiletSeats]

you forgot to put the light back on Yzerman cause he's back

[@hameedmourani1865]

Would the Buffalo Bills' 4-straight Super Bowl appearances followed by a playoff drought from 1999-2017 be considered worthy of a Collapse?

[@JBFoster66]

Hameed Mourani yuppp id say so

[@charlieb308]

It helped that Detroit had a payroll 2-3 times higher than most teams. Great drafting helped

[@DonNorway]

I love the Collapse series, but I have never really felt for the teams as I never cared about any of them. This is not the case now. I love the Red Wings (not my team, ut the team that got me into hockey) and this episode makes me really sad! Great work, keep it up!

[@redredmon8833]

They made the playoffs for 25 consecutive years.... 1991-2016. Before 2016 I'd have never experienced the NHL playoffs without the wings... simply amazing

[@hugh2hoob668]

Really i remember Vachon as your goalie

[@MetalDetroit]

Hugh Tahoob Rogie !

[@chi-townmex9346]

@4:46 what song are you using!?! Great video! Go Hawks!

[@cowcilla]

Probably the best episode of the series

[@marcharris4176]

I love my red wings. Try not to ever miss a game even though they are in a rebuild and are hard to watch nowadays. Pavel datsuk was an amazing player and we may never see another guy like him.