How the Slave Trade was Abolished

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Abolitionists Rising

Abolitionists Rising

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What must we learn from the abolition of the slave trade in Britain? How can it be applied to our work today? This talk examines the twenty-year campaign of William Wilberforce to abolish the slave trade.
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@23ajrf
@23ajrf 4 ай бұрын
It's important to pass on all your hard-earned research like this. The other videos may be more popular and win people, but these videos create fellow workers, armed with a depth of information. And these presentations are really appealing aesthetically. Good work and God bless you guys.
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 4 ай бұрын
Favorite comment of the month!
@rottenrob325
@rottenrob325 4 ай бұрын
​@AbolitionistsRising Yes, it would be great to have literature from your organization with references for studying purposes in order to bolster my own arguments. Didn't see anything on your online store!
@davecorrigan3912
@davecorrigan3912 3 ай бұрын
Ya gotta love the cries of a babe through the presentation.
@cashmoola
@cashmoola 3 ай бұрын
​@@davecorrigan3912Why? Because the person who had that baby was moral enough to not murder it? I do love the fact that some people actually take responsibility for their actions and don't just murder the human they helped create.
@ktcarroll4723
@ktcarroll4723 4 ай бұрын
C.S. Lewis wrote, “When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.” Abolitionist seems to be running in the opposite direction especially if you watch the interactions on the streets 99% of the people engaging are heading towards the cliff and they think Russell is crazy and going the opposite direction on abortion LGBTQ and common sense
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
Slavery isn't a human right. Your boy disagrees.
@g_unit6773
@g_unit6773 4 ай бұрын
​@@MarshallllllllWalk3r think harder. You are confused
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@g_unit6773 you're just mad that you can't own women the way Russell wants to Russell isn't crazy. He's just mentally ill. "Common sense" is how slave owners justified slavery.
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@g_unit6773 Slavery isn't a human right. Think harder
@velkyn1
@velkyn1 4 ай бұрын
Lewis also said to lie to prospective converts and not tell them how splintered christianity is, to keep them from making an informed decision (preface, Mere Christianity). Not a great person to follow, but typical for christians since they need to lie to people about abortion too.
@jesahias_
@jesahias_ 4 ай бұрын
It’s so amazing how you guys are using the internet to change American culture and doing it really successfully
@vashmatrix5769
@vashmatrix5769 4 ай бұрын
Love these educational ones.
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 4 ай бұрын
Glad to hear that. They are far less popular.
@vashmatrix5769
@vashmatrix5769 4 ай бұрын
@@AbolitionistsRising Most don't share our classy taste.
@Orthodixie33
@Orthodixie33 4 ай бұрын
@@vashmatrix5769we’re super classy, and humble!
@vashmatrix5769
@vashmatrix5769 4 ай бұрын
@@Orthodixie33 Yup. I'm so humble I'm writing a book called "The World's 3 Most Humble Men, & How I Taught the Other 2." 😉
@ccasanova34
@ccasanova34 4 ай бұрын
@@AbolitionistsRisingHang in there. You guys are doing great work. I just watched the video on David’s campaign and it was very encouraging and edifying. The educational stuff is of great value!
@huckwach3074
@huckwach3074 4 ай бұрын
Well done! These talks are so helpful!
@pealerjoe
@pealerjoe 4 ай бұрын
Audio is perfect, thanks for fixing it and reuploading.
@michaeljohn29
@michaeljohn29 4 ай бұрын
Agreed well done 👍🏻👍🏻
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
Yeah they probably can't get anything right the first time
@nathanweisser
@nathanweisser 4 ай бұрын
@@MarshallllllllWalk3r yeah
@CoolCube25
@CoolCube25 4 ай бұрын
Christ said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore, most gladly I will rather boast in my weakness that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore, I take pleasure in weakness in reproaches, in needs in persecutions in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Corinthians 12:9
@MCNinjaDJ
@MCNinjaDJ 4 ай бұрын
I really appreciate this. My mom believed Wilberforce was an incrementalist.
@VanessaBagnati
@VanessaBagnati 4 ай бұрын
What an amazing presentation!!! Thank you so much for ALL your content, Russel! I used to say I was pro life but I came to realize that I have actually always been an abolitionist, so now I share with others any time I have a chance. God bless you! Soli Deo gloria 🙏🏼
@adamroland7359
@adamroland7359 4 ай бұрын
i used to be pro choice. im now hard pro life. thank you for fighting for those that cannot fight for themselves.
@paperfamily9551
@paperfamily9551 4 ай бұрын
This may seem like a silly reply to just complain about semantical nonsense, but trust me, it's not. The term "pro-life" was created and is used by the industry that keeps abortion legal through regulation. The video explains why the abolitionist movement is in opposition to "pro-life" abortion regulation. The "pro-life" industry wants to make everyone think we're on the same team fighting for the same thing, but they have, on many occasions, shown their hand that is to keep abortion legal (i.e. "70 pro-life organizations letter," which was sent to Louisiana right before they voted on an abolition bill). If they can blur the lines between the abolitionists and the regulation-ists, they can keep abortion legal. If we stand up against them as abolitionists unwilling to compromise with their evil, abortion will be abolished to the glory of God. My point: don't be pro-life, be an abolitionist (but only if you actually want abortion abolished, don't just try to blur the lines)
@IJPhiloponus
@IJPhiloponus 4 ай бұрын
When you say that you are pro-life, do you mean that you disagree with this lecture and all of the videos on this channel? That is, do you agree with the Pro-life movement and its oppostion to abolishing abortion and it's preference for regulating abortion and incrementally fighting to save some babies over time but always rejecting the criminalization of abortion that abolitionists advocate? Maybe you were commenting before watching this lecture or any of the other relevant videos on this channel. Because this is not a pro-life channel or pro-life organization. We are abolitionists.
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
​​@@IJPhiloponushahaha your ego just can't handle it You always have to be a smug child.
@crw662
@crw662 4 ай бұрын
Glad you are here and caring about human rights. To give you a better idea of what this channel is, the guy in the video is actually very much against the pro-life movement because he classifies pro-life as a movement that does not work towards abolishing abortion but rather just slowly incrementally regulating it. Most pro-life people do not want to place criminal charges on those who have abortions, and they are ok with many exceptions that allow abortion. I hope this helps better understand the different sides of the debate. I think many abolitionists can be a bit too aggressive against pro-lifers, but I do think it is a far better movement than the pro-life one.
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@crw662 forced birth is a human rights violation, not a human right. You're lying and should know better.
@SteveBuscemi615
@SteveBuscemi615 4 ай бұрын
Happy to see these. Now I will try to pass on how God called me to repentance at the conference to my family through these discussions. Please keep posting them all!
@beksc9209
@beksc9209 4 ай бұрын
Ooh, yeah, I've been talking with my family about it! God has brought two of them to repentance. Their reluctamce/refusal blows my mind because I come from a solid Christian family with good morals and critical thinking skills. Yet, when I propose an abolitionist mindset, they say things like, "It's not relevant to me," or "I don't want to be an actitivst," or "You're impractical. Abolition will never happen" or even "Just make sure you dont get so wrapped up in this that you forget to talk to people about the gospel." And I'm like, "It IS relevant! It will affect how you pray and vote! And you don't have to be an activist---my primary concern is that you believe the truth, being convinced in your own minds of righeousness. God drew Moses from the Nile and Israel out of Egypt. God spared Rahab the collapse of Jericho and turned the hearts of Manasseh, Nebuchadnezzar, and Ahasueras. God healed the sick and raised the dead to life. Our God is a God of impracticalities and miracles. And if we, as Christians, don't call for abolition, it will 100% never be accomplished. As for that last one, the entire point of abolition is repentance! We don't argue about irrelevant trivia, like when a baby can feel pain or has toes or has a hearbeat or is alive. We tell them they are sinning and point to Jesus as the only source of forgiveness." I continue to be baffled and boggled at the refusal of the majority of my family members to repent. I will be praying for God's wisdom for you, Steve, and that he prepare the hearts of your family!
@SteveBuscemi615
@SteveBuscemi615 4 ай бұрын
@@beksc9209 Thank you for the prayers. The more I have been taking the walk with Christ seriously the more the closest people whom I called Christians seem to be the most likely to rise up and verbally oppose me. It's hard. Seek Christ in love and know that even a mild passion for Christ that is ignited is a raging fire to others who are cold.
@beksc9209
@beksc9209 4 ай бұрын
@@SteveBuscemi615 Thank you for your encouraging words! God bless you, Steve, and strengthen you!
@CoolCube25
@CoolCube25 4 ай бұрын
I think it was Tozer, Pink or maybe Ravenhill who said, “The once born will always persecute the twice born.”
@beksc9209
@beksc9209 4 ай бұрын
@CubeBossome I looked it up---'twas A. W. Tozer, in chapter four of *Man: The Dwelling Place of God.*. They shall, indeed. I am confident (as much as I can be on this earth) of the salvation of most of my matrilineal family members, tho. Yet they persist in blindness in this area. May God, in His grace and mercy, draw them to repentance.
@nrg753
@nrg753 4 ай бұрын
Listened to the whole video. That was great! Thankyou TRH and God bless.
@BlackTeaNews
@BlackTeaNews 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this.
@joedavid4545
@joedavid4545 4 ай бұрын
Was definitely pro choice and thought nothing could change my mind but in the last year Russle changed that
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
You sound really smart. Great "argumentation" justifying slavery of women right there. You're so enlightened to both be against slavery while advocating for it based on convenience.
@g_unit6773
@g_unit6773 4 ай бұрын
​@@MarshallllllllWalk3r troll
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@g_unit6773 fascist
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@g_unit6773 Ok slaver
@miketisdale7341
@miketisdale7341 4 ай бұрын
⁠@@g_unit6773 I replied to marsh on another comment, and now wish I had first seen here the lack of argumentation to expect (unless he considers ad hominem argumentation). I certainly concede that battle as it is clearly unbecoming of someone who seeks to >consistently< reason and argument, which eventually bears out truth. Thank you for saving me the time.
@mrshmanckles1463
@mrshmanckles1463 4 ай бұрын
I can get behind this movement to abolish abortion. I feel drawn to this and single mothers. Great history lesson and info. May God bless you!
@sassysweetsphynx6418
@sassysweetsphynx6418 4 ай бұрын
I’m a single mom so thank you for loving us
@mechelleprouty3083
@mechelleprouty3083 3 ай бұрын
I love this style of video! Very informative and thought provoking. Speaking the truth in love!
@julialarson-be6gg
@julialarson-be6gg 3 ай бұрын
Well done! Our family will be watching this.
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 3 ай бұрын
That is very encouraging to hear.
@timtimtaroo6592
@timtimtaroo6592 4 ай бұрын
Pro-regulation is the means of keeping sin legal!
@PlagueNurseOpal
@PlagueNurseOpal 3 ай бұрын
Word study ideas: Partiality vs mercy Incrimentalism vs regulation Regulationism vs abolition
@GraceAlone50
@GraceAlone50 Ай бұрын
I love this. I read a biography of Wilberforce. The man was not an incrementalist. He was 100% an abolitionist.
@JulianGentry
@JulianGentry 2 ай бұрын
The abolition of slavery started in Britain and moved to America. Now the abolition of abortion starts in America and will eventually move to Britain and hopefully around the world.
@BrockJamesStory
@BrockJamesStory 3 ай бұрын
Where all my history lovers at!!
@sarahturner5817
@sarahturner5817 4 ай бұрын
I love your videos. God changed my heart during covid. With my eyes on god, you have let me see the correct course our nation needs. Jamie Bambrick, another youtuber, strawman's your point on Monday. I would love to see you have a conversation with him.
@sevencrickets9258
@sevencrickets9258 4 ай бұрын
Somebody get this to Samuel fast!!
@mrokesene
@mrokesene 4 ай бұрын
Love your guys ministry. Go get em boys
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
Oh they're getting them slaves
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
Men owning women. Yeah, go get em.
@ShadowWizard224
@ShadowWizard224 4 ай бұрын
@@MarshallllllllWalk3r You don’t even know what a woman is 🤣
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@ShadowWizard224 it's very funny that you confuse gender and sex just like you confuse human rights and slavery It's almost as if you take pride in being ignorant.
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@ShadowWizard224 You don't know what sex and gender are. That's why you're obsessed with other people's genitals.
@memyfriendspodcast7617
@memyfriendspodcast7617 4 ай бұрын
Russell this was magnificent
@CaptCutler
@CaptCutler 4 ай бұрын
Always the best presentations. God bless you guys.
@BuildingByFaith
@BuildingByFaith 4 ай бұрын
Informative lecture and convicting exhortation. What I'd like to know is if Wilberforce voted for the regulating bills.
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 4 ай бұрын
No. He wasn’t even there for it (Dolben’s bill). Wilberforce wasn’t well.
@BuildingByFaith
@BuildingByFaith 4 ай бұрын
​@AbolitionistsRising thanks for the reply. I was referring to the 1788 regulation bill and the other incremental bills.
@marcuscook3852
@marcuscook3852 4 ай бұрын
@@BuildingByFaith The 1788 regulation bill was the Dolben bill.
@BuildingByFaith
@BuildingByFaith 4 ай бұрын
@@marcuscook3852 right. Did the abolitionists vote for them?
@marcuscook3852
@marcuscook3852 4 ай бұрын
@@BuildingByFaith As Abolitionists Rising said, Wilberforce was ill, but my understanding is that he had intended to vote in favour of the legislation.
@directorjames1855
@directorjames1855 4 ай бұрын
I have a simple question as a fellow Abolitionist. Is it that we don’t propose incremental bills or that we should go as far as voting against incremental bills? Heartbeat bills for example. If Russel was in Congress, would he vote against that?
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 4 ай бұрын
Yes. We would vote down incremental bills. God blesses faithfulness, not cunning that directly contradicts his law.
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 3 ай бұрын
See the recent debate between Russell and Toby Sumpter, and leading defender of pragmatic incrementalism.
@adampeters9861
@adampeters9861 2 ай бұрын
@@AbolitionistsRising The 1807 bill did not outlaw the practice of slavery but simply stopped the import of new slaves. Actual abolition of slavery did not occur until decades later, meaning the legislation was a a politically feasible *incremental* step towards doing away with slavery entirely.
@tammybrown6606
@tammybrown6606 4 ай бұрын
Great talk and love the intro.
@1cont
@1cont 4 ай бұрын
This is a great video. I hope it catches on as it should.
@IJPhiloponus
@IJPhiloponus 4 ай бұрын
Share it around. Help the algo.
@_Malik__
@_Malik__ Ай бұрын
Thoughts on regulationalists saying that incrementalism works because that’s how we abolished slavery in America? And thoughts on Abraham Lincoln’s role in that
@kayceetaylor2151
@kayceetaylor2151 3 ай бұрын
William Wiberforce sounds like the OG overnight success, 20 years in the making.
@PlagueNurseOpal
@PlagueNurseOpal 3 ай бұрын
“Justice and Mercy” - Flyleaf We can't be oblivious, we are not ignorant Blood in our hearts Blood on our hands We're human, we reason, we're breathing Protecting the living, and dying, surviving, we're trying To breathe in safety, come home safety Mercy screams its violent love Justice and mercy Justice and mercy The depth of us created for Justice and mercy Justice and mercy This is where they kiss Life he sacrificed, someone who paid the price Blood in our hearts Blood on our hands We cry out, we're fighting, it's warfare, we're dying Believing we're winning, it's ending, we're singing It's already done, we've over come Mercy screams its violent love Justice and mercy Justice and mercy The depth of us created for Justice and mercy Justice and mercy This is where they kiss With a life on the line, the fire That consumes or refines, a fire To ascend or decline To retreat or to climb out of sight, out of mind 'Til attacked from behind Will this fire consume or refine? Mercy screams its violent love Justice and mercy Justice and mercy The depth of us created for Justice and mercy Justice and mercy This is where they kiss
@tollytimepropulsion5252
@tollytimepropulsion5252 3 ай бұрын
We live in a modern society where social disdain is more powerful than law! You cannot make laws against Hate Speech, yet any individual who dares to make any statement that "singles out" a group of people can potentially end that person's livelihood! Change minds and win people's hearts! Leave the laws to the politicians and save the unborn with the word of god!!
@robertwarren2854
@robertwarren2854 4 ай бұрын
ALL ON 🔥
@pattidunkin870
@pattidunkin870 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@manticorejir
@manticorejir 2 ай бұрын
What is your essential reading for British and American chattel slavery abolition?
@Veritas316
@Veritas316 Ай бұрын
I love this! Can we have more videos like this? Also, can you give me some book Recs so I can continue to educate myself on this issue?
@sammichaels3196
@sammichaels3196 4 ай бұрын
Soooooo good. Thank you, brothers!
@joshoulton4501
@joshoulton4501 3 ай бұрын
There is a really chilling screech around 50:40, I ran to check on my kids because I didn't think it was the video.
@bethsnider5796
@bethsnider5796 4 ай бұрын
Amen!!!! May God use this truth mightily!!! I am undone!
@shanenolan5625
@shanenolan5625 3 ай бұрын
There is a good movie about the British abolishonist movement. ( amazing grace)
@taylorcronin955
@taylorcronin955 4 ай бұрын
The trade is well in tact and fact here and abroad. An abolitionist of slavery is equally relevant today unfortunately.
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
Abolitionists of slavery are your enemy.
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
Slavery of pregnant women is your obsession.
@timgiles9413
@timgiles9413 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely awesome 💯
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 3 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙌
@Soulking9000
@Soulking9000 4 ай бұрын
i watched this on the premier its good
@realitywins6457
@realitywins6457 3 ай бұрын
Sure he was; but just one increment
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 4 ай бұрын
Also lets recall how many millions were killed and worked to death, who were brutalized and assaulted, by people who professed to be reformed Christians. Who also claimed to find support for their superiority in the Bible! Who claimed the Bible as their support for treating people worse than horses! Lets not forget gow many lives were consumed this way before they were forced at the point of a gun to renounce it.
@wjpreslar
@wjpreslar 3 ай бұрын
This is a bit off topic, but I'd like to point out that if the civil war was about slavery, why were northern slave states like Delaware and Maryland allowed to remain slave states after the war began. Why did the emancipation proclamation only apply to Confederate States? Why was the emancipation proclamation not enforced in occupied Confederate States? Why were northern slave states allowed to remain slave states AFTER the emancipation proclamation? Why was the northern slave state of Delaware allowed to remain a slave state until nearly six months AFTER Juneteenth when the 13th Amendment was finally ratified?
@markhorton3994
@markhorton3994 4 ай бұрын
The next time you give this talk don't say sugar mine. There is no such thing. Sugar is an agricultural product. In Michigan it comes from sugar beets. In the Caribbean it comes from sugar cane. It is labor intensive. Before modern equipment it was much more so.
@IJPhiloponus
@IJPhiloponus 4 ай бұрын
Thanks. Got it.
@wjpreslar
@wjpreslar 3 ай бұрын
He may have meant salt mine.
@adampeters9861
@adampeters9861 2 ай бұрын
If a regulatory bill is the only thing that will pass in a particular state, then is that not still better than passing no bill at all?
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising Ай бұрын
Not if passing it means signing off on injustice. Almost every regulatory bill we have ever looked at includes language approving various reasons and methods for murdering babies. Most include language which give or agree with special murder rights for mothers and blanket immunity for abortion. You should not support the thing you are trying to abolish all along the way to abolishing it. That has been the trick for the past 55 years.
@adampeters9861
@adampeters9861 Ай бұрын
@@AbolitionistsRising Even flawed legislation has saved lives. KZbin won't let me post a link, but please search for a 2022 Washington Post article called, "This Texas teen wanted an abortion. She now has twins." It details the story of a young woman who would have aborted her children but for the passage of a six-week abortion ban. By opposing such laws even when they are the only politically viable option in a given state, does that not make you complicit in the abortions they would have prevented?
@theriverpimp4668
@theriverpimp4668 4 ай бұрын
👍
@jakemzekarias1133
@jakemzekarias1133 3 ай бұрын
Is there a good book about this topic?
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 3 ай бұрын
Not specifically. Not yet. But this material is covered in Wilberforce’s own writings.
@jackstraw6760
@jackstraw6760 2 ай бұрын
Numbers 5: 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”​@@AbolitionistsRising
@seekinghisways
@seekinghisways 4 ай бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@mooreoftammie
@mooreoftammie 4 ай бұрын
Excellent stuff!!! 🎉
@andybelinka
@andybelinka 4 ай бұрын
I don't say this just to be provocative, but I believe your account of the history of the British abolitionists work is as off as your representation of the intentions of the pro-life movement. I am not accusing you of bad motives, but I'm putting this here to see if there is appetite for a friendly discussion on your claims.
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 4 ай бұрын
Do you have a specific example of what is off?
@andybelinka
@andybelinka 4 ай бұрын
There are a few things, but I think it would be more helpful and interesting to discuss in a video. Even if it was an ongoing panel discussion. It's an important issue that deserves a proper analysis and adequate response time as opposed to hollow "gotchas". I think tone really matters and comment threads are notoriously bad at reflecting that. Also, it gets really confusing trying to follow a thread. Would you be willing to do something if I pulled some people together?
@andybelinka
@andybelinka 4 ай бұрын
​@@AbolitionistsRisingbtw, I forget that on KZbin it doesn't show my actual name which is Andy Stephenson.
@AbolitionistQA
@AbolitionistQA 4 ай бұрын
Russel said he would do a discussion/debate with anyone. You should have that discussion together.
@andybelinka
@andybelinka 4 ай бұрын
​@@AbolitionistQAsounds good. What's the best way to get in touch to arrange that?
@cosmonaut9540
@cosmonaut9540 4 ай бұрын
I was an abolitionist and thought nothing could change that, but this video/channel made me pro-choice! Thank you for opening my eyes!
@AbolitionistsRising
@AbolitionistsRising 4 ай бұрын
Ha ha. Lol. Thanks for the comment.
@StrangersIteDomum
@StrangersIteDomum 4 ай бұрын
Sounds like the NRA. Grifters.
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
Correct
@g_unit6773
@g_unit6773 4 ай бұрын
​@@MarshallllllllWalk3r the trolls found each other
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
@@g_unit6773 Ok Slaver
@MarshallllllllWalk3r
@MarshallllllllWalk3r 4 ай бұрын
​@@g_unit6773ok Slaver
@JoelNCurry
@JoelNCurry 4 ай бұрын
​@@g_unit6773it's so sweet lol
@yee2631
@yee2631 4 ай бұрын
Calling yourself an abolitionist is an insult to the people who have dedicated their lives to ending legal ownership of other people's bodies. Every individual has exclusive ownership over their own body; we each have a right to our body alone and no one elses. This right is so fundamental that you cannot be compelled to give up any part of it, not even to save the life of someone else. Even if you intentionally caused someone to be in a condition where they, for example, urgently needed a blood transfusion, and even if you are the only person who can provide that blood, the state cannot force you to donate blood to keep someone else alive. Somehow, this simple concept completely goes out the window when the two parties involved are a zygote/embryo/fetus and the woman that its inside of. If you would advocate for the state to force a woman to carry a pregnancy even from the moment of conception, then you are implicitly recognizing that a fetus has some sort of right to the body of another person, a right which we would never recognize in any other circumstance (not since the end of legal slavery, anyway). On the contrary, a woman isn't claiming to have a right to anyone else's body except for her own when she gets an abortion, she's merely exercising her right to exclusive self-ownership and bodily integrity by denying another party the unwilling use of her body.
@BenQ.-ys4kp
@BenQ.-ys4kp 4 ай бұрын
You're entirely incorrect, it's called maternal custody, which is wickedly arbitrarily cut off for the unborn.
@yee2631
@yee2631 4 ай бұрын
@@BenQ.-ys4kp "Maternal custody" still doesn't grant a child a right to another person's body. In a situation where a child needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant to remain alive, the state still can't force one of their parents or legal guardians to provide that donation even if they are the only compatible potential donor.
@woodrowcall3158
@woodrowcall3158 4 ай бұрын
Parents owe their children care. Both after birth and before. Elective and non-emergent abortions are unjustified uses of lethal force.
@ludwigkirchner08
@ludwigkirchner08 3 ай бұрын
Wow that's some foul logic. This mythical "right" to a mother's body was granted by her creation of it. Derrrrrrrr You're not smart. Your word salad is nonsense.
@yee2631
@yee2631 3 ай бұрын
@@ludwigkirchner08 You cannot honestly call yourself an abolitionist when you believe someone has a right to another person's body, that's the very same logic people use to justify slavery. Whether one party "created" the other doesn't change that.
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