How the Solar System lost its 5th Gas Giant - Simulation - (Universe Sandbox)

[@Omar-zo6ux]

Hold up, Is this made up or is it for real that we once had another gas giant in our solar system.

[@PersonyPerson]

It is thought that one of the explanations for the "Late Heavy Bombardment", ~4.1 billion years ago was due to instability and planetary migration of the giant planets. Recent models suggest that to produce the modern orbits of the Outer Planets, a 5th giant planet was more likely to have reproduced those orbits rather than doing similar simulations with our traditional 4 giant system. Whether it did actually exist or not is still up for debate in the scientific community due to many other various factors such as timings, specific resonances, planetesimal origin etc. From what I have read, it more likely did exist than not, so yes... It could have been real. The links to the sources of the information are in the video description if you are interested, but it is rather complicated if you don't have prior knowledge, especially for a Wikipedia article (which itself is derived from various different scientific papers with different conclusions).

[@rajikumari1383]

I searched on google it says we really have a fifth giant in the past

[@Archived-kilan]

@@PersonyPerson wow

[@cacildeasa]

@@rajikumari1383 And another rock planet called Theia, which collided with Earth.

[@NotPanda69]

This is real, but it may not have been accurate

[@Aahmpower]

5th Giant suffered a lot, just imagine being in a constant battle between Jupiter's and Saturn's Orbits

[@ejosjek52.87]

It was the worst experience ever

[@carsoncyrus9786]

@@ejosjek52.87 you could swallow them too

[@Dreidelium]

@@carsoncyrus9786 .no.

[@sayemahmedj]

@@Dreidelium name for fifth gas giant is saytune

[@Dreidelium]

@@sayemahmedj 🧢

[@obamngaaa]

Video lesson: it's impossible to have a stable orbit if you're between Jupiter and Saturn

[@yes-if6lb]

There gravity is to strong 4 u

[@kumkumchauhan9260]

@@yes-if6lb dont mess with the homies

[@Pleasereportmyaccountihateit]

Dont mess with the 2 planets that literally look the same

[@somegrunt295]

True. They had a very strong magnetic field that can literally fling a planet off the system whenever a planet made a wrong movement around the sun.

[@carsoncyrus9786]

@@somegrunt295 Same with Earth and Mars of Mars was orbiting Earth the moon would get flung

[@Hydra2054]

this was actually kinda sad, seeing the fith giant getting bullied by saturn and jupiter only to then have its orbit around the sun get completely wiped off the solar system into the obyss after its final turn with the sun.

[@Ialwaysdozeback]

Planets don't have feelings.

[@hi-vz4un]

@@Ialwaysdozeback planetballs fandom

[@emmapasqule2432]

I know. :( Poor little guy. I feel sorry for it... it's now alone between the stars. It would be in pitch black, no star light on it, so it would be cold, dark and alone. It was part of our solar system and was actively interacting wtih all the planets... and now it's by itself :( makes me sad. The NICE model showed that if Jupiter had tracked back to 5.0 AU after it came towards Earth, in a slower rate, the gas giant would have stabilised. It didn;t deserve to just get booted like that. What did it ever do? It now is alone, cold and dark. :(

[@intre85]

That would literally end us all. It should be gone or else we would be a rogue planet or like mars rn.

[@emmapasqule2432]

That's not the point. The planet got booted from our solar system is now alone. It was part of our history. We are highlighting that if Jupiter went back to 5.0 Au after it came in to the Sun, then the 6th gas giant would have stayed. It just seems sad. @@intre85

[@ironiccookies2320]

Planet Nine was like the kid who kept getting bullied in school by Jupiter and Saturn

[@ejosjek52.87]

Yep

[@danimaster2.062]

True

[@ImARandomDumbass]

And then planet nine commuted suicide, or left the school

[@theguywhopostsrandomvids]

​@@ImARandomDumbassHe left the school

[@NationalCapitalRegionOfManila]

​@@ImARandomDumbassHe left the school🥲

[@r8E-isNot-ALIVE-thus-DONOTCOME]

Rocky planets peaceful day The gas giants:GET OUT OF MY ORBIT

[@r8E-isNot-ALIVE-thus-DONOTCOME]

@samirandnasir57 I don't remember commenting this, but this is the least cringiest comment I made 2 years ago

[@joanpeyra9092]

Its not cringe ​@@r8E-isNot-ALIVE-thus-DONOTCOME its actually funny

[@r8E-isNot-ALIVE-thus-DONOTCOME]

@@joanpeyra9092 ok

[@JasnoorKang-rk8rg]

​​@@r8E-isNot-ALIVE-thus-DONOTCOME Theia:OH SHI- *crashes into earth* Phaeton:Ah- *gets destroyed by Jupiter* Vulcan:No- *Gets eaten by sun*

[@r8E-isNot-ALIVE-thus-DONOTCOME]

@@JasnoorKang-rk8rg Phaeton and Vulcan is disproved

[@robsmith9989]

Top ten saddest anime deaths

[@dazein4164]

Killed by: saturn and jupiter

[@Pleasereportmyaccountihateit]

Not a death tho

[@ejosjek52.87]

Ikr

[@xiangliuthefox3071]

It's still out there messing with Detached objects orbits some 500au away. Or is this one of the other 2 gas giants that got ejected there's more than one.

[@zurielluthjoring1661]

R​eal?

[@TheLux2077]

this 5th giant could of destabilize the inner planets orbits luckily it didn't

[@superbc8109]

Yeah, or else there wouldn’t be a video about it rn. Because earth won’t even be suitable for life.

[@Resuvean]

@@superbc8109 or we will never see those plenets again

[@lancelikessause]

I'm thinking planet 5 could of consumed much of the material that would have been part of mars explaining why mars is so small

[@lancelikessause]

Jupiter also probably took some of mars mass

[@cryoraptora303tm2]

@@lancelikessause Mars had already formed by the time Ice Giant 3 was perturbed from it's orbit and ejected. Jupiter formed even closer to the inner Solar System than it is now, so it was the force behind preventing Mars from accreting what is today the Asteroid Belt and ending up as a 2-3 Earth mass planet, which would be unrecognisable from the Mars we know today.

[@empanada65]

I just can’t help but feel bad for it. “Guys can you just let me in? I’m getting scared. I’ve tried everything, but it’s not sticking. I don’t want to go rogue. I don’t want to be alone” Jupiter: “if only I cared”

[@chemplay866]

It probably has a moon to keep company.

[@Minionbanana27]

@@chemplay866Um, about that.. yeah, Fifth Giant never had any moons. Maybe they picked up one into their orbit whilst drifting through space but idk.

[@thebeautyofuniverse5250]

@@Minionbanana27 you can’t make that statement if the fifth giant is only a hypothetical planet

[@senzanome7302]

⁠​⁠@@thebeautyofuniverse5250agreed, even if someone said it became it’s only little solar system with a whole bunch of moons/ asteroids surrounding it significantly more than Saturn, they wouldn’t really be wrong

[@NitrogenVM]

🗿

[@InterdimensionalBeing]

"Maybe I had a name and forgot, Maybee I simply never had one. But you can call me, Planet X. "

[@shalehaansari7630]

Yooo I also watch Solarballs 🎉

[@Chipsomedip]

Solarballs les go

[@DeeeepSugaShow]

SOLARBALLS

[@MidnTght]

''Oh, I woud'nt be so sure Jupiter..''

[@joec.334]

“Are you on Jupiter's side?”

[@anyapeanutlover]

5th Giant: Hey Saturn, can i- Saturn: No Neptune: *backs away* 5th Giant: Hey Ju- Jupiter: _Get out_ *Proceeds to yeet the 5th giant out of the solar system*

[@enderground9542]

lol

[@skipperofschool8325]

xddd

[@zZeimos]

:(

[@sspeedd8809]

Dude, the 5th Giant could've just set it's orbit in between Saturn and Uranus. Or even Uranus and Neptune. But since planets doesn't have any brain, all they think was just: "i want to be the first planet to the sun plzzzzzz"

[@someone-n7s]

The gas giant hates 5th giant

[@saucetinsoars]

Who know orbits were dynamic like that and always changing THAT MUCH? That is so fascinating!

[@Stellusbtw]

me

[@jonahmoran3751]

@@Stellusbtw hot Jupiters know that all to well

[@MangoIite]

me

[@coucounybacon9389]

2:01 is when fifth giant starts widening its orbit and is in the process of ejection.

[@Speed-TV]

5:05 its weird that the planet will only be around every 1 million years or so

[@oberonpanopticon]

Iirc the majority of objects in our solar system take over a million years to orbit the sun

[@mreggs3731]

@@oberonpanopticonno, the majority of the planets don't even take 1 thousand years to orbit the Sun.

[@fwdgg]

​@@mreggs3731he said objects

[@wyattm6782]

💀

[@somethingforsenro]

​​​​@@mreggs3731 there are billions of objects in the oort cloud, the furthest of which could take up to ~100 BILLION YEARS to orbit the sun… since they're up to 3.2 light years away, or about 200,000 AU

[@ВикторияЯсько-л9с]

I saw this video in KZbin's recomendation. Nice work! It looks like you put really much time to make this. Thanks

[@CadetGriffin]

0:47 Uranus: Mind if I get closer to the sun? Neptune: Sure thing. 0:56 Jupiter: Hey, what are you doing in my orbit? Aren't you supposed to be with Saturn? 0:58 Jupiter: Do you wanna be closer to the sun or not? Make up your mind! 1:00 Saturn: Hey, you're back! 1:19 Jupiter: Now what?! 1:23 Mars: Woah! What are you doing here? 1:30 Jupiter: Listen. You can be in my orbit, but you have to leave the other planets alone, okay? 1:49 Mars: Ah crud, here we go again. Jupiter: Grrrr! Quit messing with Mars and pick a distance already, or else! 2:07 Saturn: Oh hey there. How are you doing? Nice to see you again. 2:11 Uranus: What brings you out here? 2:14 Neptune: I wouldn't do that if I were you. I don't think Jupiter likes it when planets orbit the sun like that. 2:19 Jupiter: That's it, from here on out, I am hereby banishing you from the solar system! Now fling off and don't come back! 5:14 Jupiter: Finally, that nuisance is gone and can never bother us again. You're welcome.

[@markojovcevski5852]

there is 1 impostor among us

[@CadetGriffin]

*Pluto was not The Impostor.* *1 Impostor remains.*

[@richardmcgowan1651]

One theory was that Mercury was once the core of an old gas giant that moved from the outer early solar system into where the planet is now. Because something was causing a lot of movement in and around the inner early planets. Since something hit Mars and of course the Moon hit earth (before it was the moon). Then there is Neptune's moon Triton which is meant to be a captured body. Just don't think a gas giant would have been thrown out of the solar system. But who the hell knows. The early solar system was full of chaotic objects.

[@cryoraptora303tm2]

In its current orbit, there is no way a hot Neptune, let alone hot Jupiter, could have lost all its volatiles at the Solar System's current age. Many hot giants are significantly closer to their stars than Mercury, and have been for billions of years, yet still haven't lost all their volatiles. It is much more plausible that Mercury was simply once a larger object that was struck by another infant planet at speed, causing it to lose it's crust and outer mantle, leaving it at its present mass.

[@wyattm6782]

Maybe...

[@SahilK-xx3iy]

Wouldn’t that make a gas giant with a core with a core

[@Enternamehere236]

@@SahilK-xx3iy Jupiter has a solid core.

[@chrlzislime]

0:56 when the 5th giant starts to penetrate

[@Err0rcube_2]

wdym

[@jhapethlloydciron3185]

Going out the system​@@Err0rcube_2

[@WilliamW2010]

@@Err0rcube_2 0:56 when the 5th giant starts to penetrate Uranus

[@groaningmole4338]

Why does Neptune's orbit suddenly jump outwards when 5th Giant moves into a Jupiter-crossing orbit around 0:56?

[@LunarTheEclipse]

Dunno. But i think it's because of the orbital resonance between Jupiter and saturn.

[@jimmyplayfnf8948]

@@LunarTheEclipse yes it is

[@zZeimos]

Planet Nine: Hey Guys I’m Going To The Toilet I’ll be back soon! Hasn’t came back in 4.5 Billion Years Edit: Tysm for 140 likes

[@1026.harvicles]

@Parvlox ???

[@1026.harvicles]

@@lightbringer83_moob83 y do u have a question mark?

[@leafboo9897]

sub to me

[@1026.harvicles]

@@AylaKD it kinda did not sound like a question but ik

[@zZeimos]

@@lightbringer83_moob83 Yes... 🧐

[@Aries19974]

"For billions of years, this has been the only view I've had, the home I once had, the home I lost because of Him" - Planet X

[@coolbear6441]

Out of idle curiosity I would love to know the orbital time frame for the 5th giant

[@thathistoryiscoolguy]

I wonder where it is today

[@Versuffe]

Probably light years away If it was travelling 0.01 (10^-2) light years a year, and if it was a million years, it’d be 10000 light years away. Using simple mafs.

[@channelnamev2]

In space

[@Kedvespatikus]

@@channelnamev2 U don't say :O :O :O :) :) :)

[@mmmoon6749]

the ninth planet, probably

[@DanksterPaws]

It probably collided with another lost fifth giant and is now its own star that you can see at night :)) jk who knows

[@KingOreo2017]

This only has 800 views? Brother, I figured this was like one of those OG youtube videos with like 10 million views. Great video and keep making content, there is still a chance this could go viral in a few years... Edit: The video has like 20x views now, so thats sick :D

[@beeswarm.maniac]

No it’s 9414 Now

[@jmc2657]

13,363 views, only been 2 months

[@1026.harvicles]

15k now

[@greensticksays5961]

It has 32k views now

[@1026.harvicles]

@@greensticksays5961 yes

[@saurie7861]

i did this between saturn and jupiter and somehow it perfectly stabilized between jupiter and mars . mars wasn't very lucky though. everything else was somehow perfectly stable.

[@Al93271]

I think Planet 9 may just be this planet that just so happens to still be a little close so we consider it kind of another planet of our system. It's probably the "5th gas giant" here that's still in the process of being ejected from our system.

[@mohammadayubkhan999]

I was thinking of the same

[@AstroV3rt]

I even thought I was the only one😂

[@YellowLAVA]

5th Giant was that kid getting bullied by the other planets. (Assumption) And now its the alone guy with no friends very far from civilization, also known as Planet 9

[@cryoraptora303tm2]

Or maybe, it's just a planet, you know, an inanimate object.

[@samsungtestuserguest4742]

@@cryoraptora303tm2 yeah cuz objects can't have friends -_- remember this to everyone: object shows are not real life stop thinking everything that is inanimate can have friends, feelings, emotions.

[@cryoraptora303tm2]

@@samsungtestuserguest4742 Yes, exactly. Planets are inanimate objects and are not 'alive' in the same sense animals are.

[@aurabulgar]

I love how Fifth Giant progressively gets closer to Mars and then gets flung out immediately.

[@TheE_Baron]

What's crazy is that Jupiter tried to and successfully throw out the fifth giant and Jupiter's orbit is literally unfazed

[@Gianniskos1335]

Is this about planet X?

[@vexron5872]

"We also don't talk about what happened to Mercury..." 0:25 my poor son...

[@InfolicsVetrois]

I actually like the idea that Neptune and Uranus originally had eachother's orbits but then switched because of the gravitational chaos the 5th Giant was causing.

[@Chipyo1213]

5th giant (planet X): “I always come back”

[@tra-viskaiser8737]

Pluto will always be planet 9 in my heart... And this is a fantastic video.. i love seeing orbital mechanics like this. Its the main reason i play kerbal. Lol

[@Theunnecessaryfloridaball]

@Shad0w YEP

[@1026.harvicles]

Yes @Tra-Vis Kaiser

[@1026.harvicles]

@Shad0w cuz i think its too small tho or they didnt add it so like the dwarf planets will like get hit by the 5th gas giant beofre it yeeted so far, also its just my opinion, i could be right or wrong and u too

[@1026.harvicles]

@@Theunnecessaryfloridaball oh well

[@1026.harvicles]

@Daniel Leca kk

[@daiquylam3401]

Is amazing that fifth gas giant not crashing into Saturn or Jupiter, theia and earth crashing in each other

[@randomstuff8149]

So,it's technically still orbiting,but it's just so far that takes like 10s of millions of year to complete

[@PersonyPerson]

In the simulation, it was ejected from the system and won't come back. It no longer orbits the Sun in any capacity. In real life, this 5th Giant may potentially be Planet Nine, perhaps not and was just ejected. Finding it (or not being able to find it) will answer that question.

[@whatdidyousay245]

No, the simulation thinks it's still orbiting but really it's too fat away to orbit

[@jomardelator5366]

*far

[@whatdidyousay245]

@@jomardelator5366 he said that💀

[@SahilK-xx3iy]

No it got kicked out the fifth giant on the orbit order name disappeared

[@tonyjones1]

It's crazy how far away a planet can travel while still being in an orbit around one of our planets.

[@umamigo1]

Planet nine soon near your home.

[@excelvalentino6972]

planet nine doesn't exist because someone found a small dwarf planet and if planet nine exist that small dwarf planet will get ejected

[@epenos1636]

@@excelvalentino6972 not true

[@jannybeladi8504]

it is 1.001 lightyears.

[@WailingFriend]

@@jannybeladi8504 it can't be farther away from the oort cloud.

[@typlcai]

@@WailingFriend the Oort Cloud extents as far as 3 light years

[@Judethedude]

Plot twist: planet nine is just the 5th gas giant and in a few hundred years it will re enter the outer solar system and be visible

[@leyoshivenere350]

Thank you Theia and the 5th gas giant, we wouldn't exist without you !

[@messier8379]

It is possible that the Elusive "PlanetNine" can be the missing 5th Giant that survived but it end orbiting on the outskirts of Oort cloud

[@jari2018]

It hit me that Thea , the marssized planet that hit premordial Earth migh have been one planets 5 actual moons -if so when we find planet 5 then there also might be a small moon thats the remnants of thea and earth or why not big astroids of both.

[@bruhmoment5304]

Plot twist: that was jool from KSP

[@kingscorpion7346]

LOL

[@Messier-gq9yl]

Hol' up

[@Pleasereportmyaccountihateit]

Kerbal space program? That's literally so strange I'm just gonna ignore it

[@DecMakesARec]

Jupiter: TECHER'S PET 5:15 5th Giant: *punched in the locker*

[@jacksonforver4267]

Would You guys Prefer to Have the 5th Giant or Is Saturn Better Edit:Wow You're Very Underrated You need more Subs

[@factswithdevasish]

I wanna have both

[@Pleasereportmyaccountihateit]

@@GWashingtonCarver it's less in mass as its 10.2 earth's and Uranus is 14.5 earth and neptune 17.1 earth

[@kahventi]

5:14 rip

[@MidnTght]

The only thing I'm confused is Planet X/5th Gas Giant still Orbiting The Center Of The SolarSystem []Sun[]

[@reywunim1866]

I think the reason is the 5th giant lost its doesnt have a stable orbit?

Good thing it was ejected tho, itwas really unstable and could have caused a massive catastrophy in the solar system

[@KrazyKrab7]

5th gas giant was the impostor...

[@1026.harvicles]

@@KrazyKrab7 lmao

[@DecMakesARec]

The inner system was fine, but in the outer system, it was complete *pandemonium.*

[@Nitrogen7-clone1]

​@@KrazyKrab7STOP JOKING DUDE THESE ARE JUST WHAT PHYSICS IS AND HOW ASTROPHYSICS WORKS LIKE!

[@Nitrogen7-clone1]

good thing? also this depends on astrophysics so you can't just say thats good thing or bad thing.

[@bearboy9833]

Planet X: Oh, I wouldn’t be so sure Jupiter 😈

[@LillyWhiteFairy]

"I've spent millions of years alone. Maybe I had a name and forgot. Maybe.... I simply never had one. But you can call me.... Planet X."

[@shalehaansari7630]

"You give yourself too much credit. Was it you who found me or were you simply pulled by my gravity?"

[@alialhosani3651]

@@shalehaansari7630uhh a bit of both.

[@AndreaAaliyahBargo-by5yd]

​@@alialhosani3651“I guess thats fair"

[@joec.334]

“For billions of years, this has been the only view I've had, the home I once had, the home I lost because of HIM.”

[@ChikyuuKun]

This is why Planet X sought revenge.

[@Somtejesstudios]

Planet X and Fifth Giant are two different things

[@ChikyuuKun]

@@Somtejesstudios I’m referencing SolarBalls, smartass.

[@ChikyuuKun]

@@Somtejesstudios Thanks for pointing it out Captain Obvious. I’m referring to SolarBalls not irl.

[@Somtejesstudios]

@ChikyuuKun Well, solarballs aren't even that realistic, and sometimes the lore makes no sense

[@drrenwtfrick]

@@Somtejesstudios actually it was directly mentioned that in solarballs planet x represents the 5th giant

[@theKunz11]

How far away was the 5th giant's Aphelion in that final orbit?

[@PersonyPerson]

~500 AU just before ejection.

[@chironthefloof2920]

@@PersonyPerson hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, interesting considering the ninth planet is considered to be around that distance iirc

[@wyattm6782]

@chironthefoof2920 So Fifth Giant Might actually *BE* The Ninth Planet😉

[@goodgame3374]

Careless, careless, careless. If you can't be trusted to keep track of a gas giant then you can forget that fancy space station that you saw on TV. Now clean up this solar system & brush your teeth.

[@coolbear6441]

What I’d like to know is if Uranus is bigger than Neptune then why do they think it migrated in instead of just forming where it is to begin with??

[@64davrecon]

What was the mass of this 5th gas giant? It seemed to get bounced around a lot without perturbing the other planets much.

[@PersonyPerson]

The mass of the 5th Giant used in the simulation was 10 Earth masses, so it is the least massive of the bunch, therefore it is expected to be the one to migrate the most. I'll put this in the description.

[@NationalCapitalRegionOfManila]

4:16 man.... Can we take and have a close up perspective view of the solar system when the planet is approaching closer to the solar system to see if it's affecting the outer planet's solar system?

[@unnamed_account]

I tried this myself with a planet ten times more massive than the Earth and a density of Jupiter. Neptune left the Solar system in 2850000 years Uranus left the Solar system in 3550000 years 5th gas giant left the Solar system in 6400000 years In the end, Saturn's orbit was further than Uranus's original orbit, and Jupiter's barely changed. (At the beginning I deleted everything except the Sun and the gas giants, to get faster simulation speeds)

[@dattaravitejag]

what is the simulator name?

[@unnamed_account]

@@dattaravitejag Universe Sandbox²

[@SahilK-xx3iy]

The fact that the fifth giant orbit went pass Neptune Mordor’s orbit is kinda fascinating

[@aaronoralan5314]

5th giant : "I disrupt the orbits of some TNO, let u all know I am still in solar system"

[@ejosjek52.87]

Very true

[@syakirirshadherman]

I do think there are a chance of Neptune and Uranus collide

[@syakirirshadherman]

Because of the gravity both Uranus and Neptune

[@pepper_plus2874]

1 Second = 230 Years 6 minutes = 82800 years???

[@ahnaftahmidshoccho9567]

5th giant :I am trying to stay alive Jupiter:I am going to end the planet's whole career

[@Bendygamer99]

Well if there is a Possible Planet Nine, Is planet Nine the 5th Giant?

[@diamondmcgaming2866]

Exactly what I was thinking, but how would it’s orbit stabilise if it was so eccentric

[@Loyalroof]

If there was a fifth giant and it did orbit the sun, won’t it eventually come back? You can see in the model that the fifth giant is connected to the solar system, but through the years it have changed its location, but was still orbiting the sun in a very wide oval that is probably 100s of light years away. If you won’t mind, please answer my questions. Your best regards -Loyal Roof

[@PersonyPerson]

When you have an open cone shaped trail on Universe Sandbox, like the one at the end of the simulation, that means it is no longer orbiting the body that it once was. The Sun's gravity also isn't strong enough to reach even 1 Lightyear, let alone 100s. Unless it is correlated to Planet Nine, then it was ejected from the Solar System, so no, it can't come back. And since this occurred over 4 billion years ago, we would have no idea where to look. Could be a Rogue planet on the other side of the galaxy somewhere, we also would have trouble trying to differentiate it from all of the other Rouge Planets in the Milky Way.

[@Loyalroof]

Thank you for your explanation.

[@jaycee330]

In the end, it was sent into a hyperbolic "orbit", which is open-ended, so no.

[@jaycee330]

@@PersonyPerson In otherwords, it's now a hyperbolic "comet".

[@sanjaykumar-w3f]

It is orbiting the sun way out beyond but it is not a rouge planet it's actually a planet

[@voiceless0905]

5th giant: causing the dwarf planets but losing size and mass causing planet 9 barely able to orbit the sun. My bio for it

[@heavencanceller1863]

I needed this video. I just didn't know about it

[@1026.harvicles]

Uranus is in front of Neptune Also how did it go so far away? I call the 5th ice gas giant "Neptarus 95, The Long Lost Ice Giant"

[@PersonyPerson]

According to the Nice Model, Uranus was thought to have formed further out than Neptune did, which accounts for why Uranus is less massive, so I included this in the simulation.

[@1026.harvicles]

@@PersonyPerson oh now i remember

[@1026.harvicles]

@@PersonyPerson TY for the pointment

[@mrdraw2087]

Isn't 10 earth masses light for a gas giant? I understand the lightest gas planet is most likely to be ejected, but if it originated somewhere between Saturn and Neptune, it may have been heavier than Neptune (17 earth masses). By the way, is there a reason why the solar system is more stable with Neptune as outermost planet instead of Uranus?

[@PersonyPerson]

It is thought that Saturn and Neptune accumulated most of the gaseous planet forming material in their respective zones, leaving much less for the 5th Giant to accrete from. It is a similar effect to what happened to Mars, with Jupiter's gravity preventing planetesimals from the Asteroid Belt accreting to Mars. 10 Earth masses is essentially on the boundary of being classed as a Giant Planet. According to the Nice Model, Neptune formed closer to the Sun than Uranus had, which explains why it is more massive out of the 2 and then migrated beyond the orbit of Uranus to it's present position at ~30 AU. It is possibly more stable because it is more massive than Uranus, so it would have less of a gravitational tug on Saturn, keeping them away from each other, but I am not certain of that.

[@mrdraw2087]

@@PersonyPerson It would be cool to test what happens if you start with the planets in their current order to see if they stay that way, or that Uranus then becomes the outermost planet. I can imagine the planet closest to Saturn eventually gets pushed outward when the planets are still relatively close to one another. I don't expect the small difference in mass between Uranus and Neptune to really change the outcome, but who knows.

[@Sl1f3rDrag0n]

I think 'yeet' might be a new term for 'gravitationally ejected'

[@Jubi5ubi]

I love that Saturn and the 1st ice giant are just fighting for 7th place

[@jaxg.]

End: The planet was ejected into interstellar space. Planet 9 was a impostor.

[@lolol-real8752]

Planet Nine was An Impostor.* 0 Impostors remain.*

[@brah9249]

Get it? Get it? Funny among us!!!!

[@somethingforsenro]

imagine if it ended up getting flung towards the sun instead and became a hot jupiter

[@laurensmuina]

plot twist: In 10 bilion years the 5th giant would join our solar system again 2nd plot twist:Our solar system is no more since the sun wil decide to take enlargement pills in a good (idk a few billion years, i think 4-6 billion)6 billion years and become as big as the earths trajectory around the current sun, and go out with a "big" bang.

[@_jexool_GD_]

Enlargement pills 😂

[@d1scocubes]

run the sim for longer and see if it gets a stable orbit

[@meisbaconyay7]

5th Giant interrupts saturn now he interrupts jupiter 💀

[@masterclass3941]

imagine interrupting jupiter💀💀

[@bellcramell5207]

It's possible.... That this 5th planet ejected long time ago... It's also possible that it may change orbit?

[@terraseamapping823]

The 5th giant maybe planet 9 but if the rumor off planet 9 being a Black hole is true its gonna BE highly unlikely (i meant impossible) but if planet 9 is not a Black Hole it might be the 5th giant just thinnk ABOUT it.

[@Mint-Flower-Playerfp5572]

so you telling me dispite all of this, the rocky planets are chillinh when mars has a tiny yeet from its orbit?

[@Versuffe]

361 seconds, 83030 years. That’s a lot of years.

[@shebahammy]

So then dow did it change that fast in only 80k years.

[@Crimsrn]

@@shebahammy because the other gas giants were more massive therefore messing with it's orbit, ending in either jupiter or saturn finishing it off

[@PersonyPerson]

@@shebahammy What the simulation doesn't show is the effect of the millions of planetesimals had on the migration of the giant planets (You would literally need a supercomputer to run with that on Universe Sandbox on the same speed as the simulation). The 5th Giant unlikely formed right next to Saturn, so I accounted for the planetesimal driven migration by placing the planets closer together. The process of ejection was what lasted ~80,000 years.

[@1026.harvicles]

U wonder if u were alive back and living on jupiter or saturn then and u can c Neptarus 95 (what i call it) pass by allot but today it orbits around The Sun every 15000 years Edit: This and i forgot to add the word "jupiter or saturn" after "living on"

[@Mastercrack_GS]

The fifth gas giant was expelled by Jupiter out of the solar system, but remember that Jupiter has less gravitational attraction with respect to the Sun. Therefore, the fifth gas giant is possibly planet nine, since the Sun still has it attached to the said gas giant. Well, it is just a hypothesis.

[@putinsober1681]

i think 5th giant has bad sleep so thats why he moves alot 😳

[@ejosjek52.87]

No I was literally being yeeted around like a toy by Jupiter and saturn

[@Neonis_is_Lazy]

Where do I can install that game cause I love space stuff

[@PersonyPerson]

You can buy Universe Sandbox directly from their website or on Steam, GOG and a couple of other vendors. universesandbox.com/buy/

[@YYHoe]

I wonder what would happen if there was a sixth gas giant also there?

[@Versuffe]

Probably yeeted Dwarf planets when it was getting ejected.

[@newbieplays6524]

It’s hypothetical that we used to have 5 gas giants

[@cacildeasa]

*mandatory comment about thanking the cameraman for recording everything*

[@glassyanimates]

What happened to mercury

[@ВикторияЕрмакова-с8п]

FIFTH GAS GIANT IS A PLANET X

[@TheBeanMan.]

If it survived it would have been a massive event every time it came close to earth because the orbit is so long

[@saadansari1471]

That was the surprising magnetic field of our sun

[@cryoraptora303tm2]

The magnetic field of the Sun has nothing to do with gravity?

[@voyageridk_]

the sun had nothing to do with the planet's ejection, it was jupiter and saturn's magnetic field

[@coolbear6441]

So at the 4 min mark what would the AU’s be for the 5th giant???

[@StickGuy4681]

Around 1000 AU

[@どーくん-j2z]

im here from SolarBalls 😭

[@shalehaansari7630]

Moral of the story: Never orbit between Jupiter and Saturn.

[@stevenessington3469]

homie left for cigarettes and never came back

[@Rtwo98]

What is the mass of the 5th planet you simulate? Compare with that of Jupiter and Saturn.

[@PersonyPerson]

The mass of the 5th Giant in the simulation is 10 Earth masses. Compared to Saturn at 95 and Jupiter at 318 Earth masses respectively.

[@ramblinman4197]

@@PersonyPerson That would have made it the smallest of the 5 giants, correct?

[@PersonyPerson]

@@ramblinman4197 Yes. Uranus is 14.5 Earth masses and Neptune is 17.

[@iispacealgodooandworld]

@@PersonyPerson he is alive!

[@tabithagarner3785]

doesnt clearly see how it died

[@bananahitler306]

It didn’t die, it somewhere in interstellar space, I think humanity, when it’s advanced enough, try to find and bring it back, it’s family misses it.

[@dat1pengu1n]

@George B star adopting planet from other star seems interesting

[@brah9249]

@George B if you think about it, any other planet could collide with its moons, or due to the instability they could be ejected before even 5th giant was ejected

[@brah9249]

@George B maybe pluto was one of its moons

[@PersonyPerson]

That's the point. Because Planet Nine's existence is disputed, we cannot say for certain that the 5th Giant was ejected from the system. It likely was, but first we need to find Planet Nine, and then see if there is a correlation between it and the hypothesised 5th Giant that this simulation highlights to see if they are the same object. If Planet Nine doesn't exist, then we can say for certain that the 5th Giant was ejected in the Early Solar System. I have put this in the video description.

[@gochimma]

Neptune, Uranus, and 5th giant (which i call Fifio): WE ARE PLANETS FIGHTING FOR CORRECT ORBITS!!!!

[@shilpyrahman1531]

Theory: 5th Giant could be planet 9

[@Austeja608]

Plot twist

[@x545x]

BECAUSE IT IS 🤦‍♂️

[@shebahammy]

@@x545x bruh

[@Crimsrn]

@@x545x you don't bloody know that lmao

[@dat1pengu1n]

@@x545x proof bruh?

[@lunaticranger6532]

I think it was still there, I am not sure if it have a stable orbit or not but I think it is still in that orbit and undergoing ejection process.

[@ophadamia2579]

Ophadamia did not become a Rouge planet, it still orbits the sun today.

[@Versuffe]

Well, it’s Probably light years away If it was travelling 0.01 (10^-2) light years a year, and if it was a million years, it’d be 10000 light years away. Using simple mafs. And if it was 0.001 light speed it’s 1000 light years away. It’s probably past the Oort Cloud, or it just is hiding.