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@therealhydropx2 жыл бұрын
I would bet you and Dan Price would have a good time.
@davidhunternyc12 жыл бұрын
Never in this video do you explain how billionaires use art to avoid taxes.
@justinsmith45622 жыл бұрын
Shut up lpl
@omarshamsi53302 жыл бұрын
@@davidhunternyc1 People buy art to support artists, decorate spaces, and also diversify their portfolio.
@omarshamsi53302 жыл бұрын
Valuetainment what a great video!
@chuckbizzert90982 жыл бұрын
Its purely about tax evasion and money laundering. Nobody spends 100 million on a painting because they like it.
@bigt48372 жыл бұрын
Mr beast uses his videos to avoid taxes as well. He uses actors in his video which he pays regular wages but makes videos pretending to give them millions. He uses it as a tax deduction and write off. Only the poor who dont know how to fraud the government get punished
@bigheadrhino2 жыл бұрын
You’d be surprised. People buy things all the time purely because they “like it”. The scale is just different for some people. A regular person buying a fancy toyfor a couple hundred dollars to put on their shelf might feel an equal amount of financial pain about it as a billionaire spending millions on a painting.
@benjamingreenfield23932 жыл бұрын
Probably mostly true but there are those, many intact who do love it and also want to take advantage of the intrinsic value in subjective value 🎨🙏
@daniellaney77042 жыл бұрын
I believe your right on point. What better way to hide your wealth and not be taxed on it and make a huge profit over time.
@scubamaz1 Жыл бұрын
The at the BIG BRAIN ON - stupid
@vesubioromo94252 жыл бұрын
That first painting is a classic example of how the STORY builds the perceived value of the art. The owner of the piece wants to be able to tell a good story to house guests about the piece and how they acquired it.
@liniamacaron99592 жыл бұрын
When you invest you're buying a day you don't have to work
@claresmithy46672 жыл бұрын
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@samuelroyal38182 жыл бұрын
@@claresmithy4667 You're right, it's obvious a lot of people remain poor due to ignorance
@mbalimaka63932 жыл бұрын
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@cassiejacobs41972 жыл бұрын
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@christopherhobb77022 жыл бұрын
That's very impressive are you giving her your money or does it stays in your trading account? What's really the idea behind the copying trades?
@kevinho85822 жыл бұрын
as an emerging artist the art world is both the most exciting and discouraging all at the same time.
@scrediscred331 Жыл бұрын
Why?
@rmglover31912 жыл бұрын
Worked at Christie's for 10 years. Recognized the dark-haired woman on the podium at the end. Had to help resolve some of the house's tax liability. Many purchasers never picked up their art resulting in pseudo "free" storage. Would resell it in a few years for a profit never having collected the art; no tax, shipping, insurance paid. Was a whole thing.
@llama92742 жыл бұрын
funny hahaha
@emarciobdirector2 жыл бұрын
so if I understood correct, people bought the art but they never went there to get the art, and the house has put the item for auction again having profiting again?
@llama92742 жыл бұрын
@@emarciobdirector no the owner never calls irl after winning to pick up and contract didn't have specifics i am assuming. So they had to hold said art insured for free until they pick up or as mentioned most just reauction meaning its a pawn in the money movement game
@rexibro12 жыл бұрын
how much do art sales ppl make per sale?
@rmglover31912 жыл бұрын
@@rexibro1 the auction house collects the fee; the auctioneers don't make any money. Auctioneers are carefully selected and trained. It used to be a department head, but they may have altered the selection process. It was practically impossible to become one. It'd be easier to run for president
@seanr21572 жыл бұрын
As a wildlife artist (painter) myself I have always found this topic extremely interesting. More and more I am finding that who knows of you, and who has owned your art, almost at times seems to mean more than the (perceived) quality of the art itself. As a traditional painter I find myself astonished at the price that some seemingly random smudges of paint sell for. But I say good for them! Though I find it puzzling, I continue to paint in this way because I am obsessed with it! Your insight is always valued and appreciated. Wishing you all the best, Sean P. Rademaker
@OPPOSMITE Жыл бұрын
Hey Sean, I'd like to look at some work you might have for sale, how can I find some?
@jaylucas835210 ай бұрын
In the art world (as in all things) value is about scarcity. Since there is an abundance of talent in the world , but a scarcity of access to capital, the latter holds more value. Therefore , if a billionaire buys your art, there is an exchange of social capital , which results in your art now being more valuable. The world is made of real capital, and social capital. Between the two , is how art is valued. In most cases.
@bigjermboktown6976 Жыл бұрын
I must admit that Picasso story was pretty slick
@Reduxwood2 жыл бұрын
Been creating masterpieces for the past 10 years and now they are really being recognized globally!
@endorsippa43312 жыл бұрын
Had to fact check the take a picture part with the inventions of camera and Picasso birth year. Learned something new today 😌
@yangapiliso15352 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how informative this was. Thanks Valuetainment
@judahsamaria52502 жыл бұрын
Patrick thank you for this excellent video. I started purchasing art because there is value in it, and its a good hedge against inflation.
@liasisboa3 ай бұрын
Be careful. As an artist I assure you most of the gains you’ve heard about involve only the top.1% of art. Don’t think your $5,000 painting is going to appreciate the same way.
@gmx50512 жыл бұрын
Thank you for exposing us to this, art has always been a rich man's side hustle.
@michaelgleason47912 жыл бұрын
I feel like you answered it in the intro: because it's an unregulated market.
@modestproposal56242 жыл бұрын
Yes so a lot of money laundering in this market
@RDavid.2 жыл бұрын
The Financial market is still a fantastic way for building wealth, however, it's wise to consider investing even if you don't have much money to spare.
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@linsey.2 жыл бұрын
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@jw64872 жыл бұрын
@@linsey. boooooooo
@richiegadar8302 жыл бұрын
This a voice and person should be on mainstreaming tv,period!
@chrissharkey96445 ай бұрын
I love Banky! A true modern artist
@creativeartbyluvensky Жыл бұрын
Here we go. Great presentation Patrick 🌟
@badpedestrian2 жыл бұрын
great video on this ! I am an artist and work at Christies in NYC for 10 years, handled the da Vinci n picassos daily. you summarized it all really well !
@RecordSisi Жыл бұрын
Hi , May I have a contact where I can reach out to you ? I'd like to talk about it more and eventually having business together . It's a serious inquiry . Feel free to let me know . Best regards ,
@TheCuratorialMethod2 ай бұрын
I am researching Masterworks, and would love an update on how the portfolios are doing in the current market, and do you have any perspective on the current contemporary space?
@travis10466ny2 ай бұрын
I bought art from park west gallery. I'm a first timer
@clairandco2 жыл бұрын
As an antique dealer in Washington DC I really enjoyed this video.
@ajosef2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for Valuetainment and special thanks for Patrick to all the valuable information on the channel. after following valuetainment contents and read several recommended books. my friends and I own 3 companies , and 2 real estates
@paulsansonetti74102 жыл бұрын
PBD at its finest ,he tells you it's basically a tax scam engaged in by the rich,and rather than avoid it, he tells you that you should become another lamb to the slaughter
@jasonpool54862 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video Pat!
@bleueyeddevl2 жыл бұрын
Jake Tran channel did a great video on this topic, "Fine Art Isn’t About Art. It’s About Evading Taxes.".
@UltimateJellyG306 ай бұрын
Basically you can value art from it's hype. Thanks Virgil 🕊🙏🏻
@audreydebnam63602 жыл бұрын
I get it, I used to work for an Art Publishing Company.
@cort-egsk89752 жыл бұрын
Need more art 🖼 content like this.
@truepersona68042 жыл бұрын
The price of collectors art is a clear example of how much FIAT currency has been pumped into the system by the Federal / Central banks around the world. Paper currency has become unimaginably WORTHLESS in the past two decades.
@serioushamster2 жыл бұрын
At those prices, that art better have been made by some alien from alien materials.
@vaibjsjd Жыл бұрын
Well yes Japan's central bank is the biggest investor in the Japanese stock market and swiss central bank ownes large numbers of US companies dx stocks like apple and tesla the reason is money printing or typing digits in computers have to be used for investment to play derivatives and speculation game to dumpe the newly printed money in circulation so the rich who owns such assets where Central banks invest grow in tremendous value thus create the rich and poor gap divide more wider and wider holding on to a currency note is now worth less in value in comparison when its likned with gold to maintain its purchasing price ability, Due to the rising inflation people have started to blame concept of capitalism for the same but its an effect of fragile monetory system which can be used for more infinite money printing when required to pump in the economy to make it run and perform smoothly short term. With providing long term inflationary consicuences to the common people.
@nathanael88552 жыл бұрын
That Picasso con-man story was genius!!!!
@seenuz12 ай бұрын
Awesome presentation and really says what the Art is...!!!❤❤
@GoodmanMIke592 жыл бұрын
8:53 Heritage? Norman Rockwell!. I passed on buying an $1,800 print of his back in 1985. Was a merchant Seaman at the time, couldn't fit it in my seabag.
@jasong59132 жыл бұрын
Pat, you got this all wrong. You got sold the simple man's story as to how art is valued and why, what looks like painings children can paint, goes for millions. Let me explain the game. Let's say I am a businessman who owns a relatively unknown, or under-appreciated work of art. And let's say I have an investment project that needs a large capital infusion. What do I do? I open up a seperate company (maybe with a trusted partner who is willing to earn a commission for putting his name on the business, but, maybe on my own). I talk to Soethby's and say 'I have a piece of art I would like to put up for auction. Soetheby's says 'ok, it will go under the gavel next week'. When it goes up for auction I get a few of my employees to act as fake 'bidders' on the end of a telephone and they start bidding against ome another for my painting. When the gavel strikes, my under-appreciated piece just went for 8 figures, bought by the company I set up a week earlier. Soethby's is happy because they made their commission on an 8 figure sum.. The 8 figure sum obviously never trades hands because it is my own company that bought it. Now, I can go to the bank and put the painting that is now 'worth 8 figures' up as collateral for the loan that I need to invest in my project. The bank gives me the loan so long as, on paper, its ass is covered by the collateral. Auction houses like Soethby's and Christies close their eyes to this con because they are making their commissions. But both Soethby's and Christies were charged and convicted decades ago with price rigging. This is how obscure and unknown artists become famous. The greater the exhibition and media exposure when the art gets 'auctioned' the greater the effect of the con.
@jasong59132 жыл бұрын
This is why publically-held companies do not partake in this game (despite the owners of said companies might) - they would be required, accordimg to accounting standards, to account for the purchase price that never gets paid. But once an artist gets established via this con, then the market gets legitimitized and trading becomes 'safe'.
@garethscott90512 жыл бұрын
Bingo. You just nailed it man 👏👏👏👏
@MaryLuminary2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for talking about the business side of art. Very interesting and informative. As an artist myself, it can be frustrating sometimes, to say the least. Maybe sometime in the future you could give advice or a presentation of your viewpoint directed at the artists. If you were the artist, what would concern you business wise? What advice might you have for the artist? Many of us lack business savvy and expertise.
@ThatCasualZach2 жыл бұрын
Dont be a straight white male and you'll have plenty RFQs work out.
@matthewgardner59832 жыл бұрын
There are books out there that explain the business side of art to artists. Although you have to be making art that's competitive in style with the contemporary art world. What type of art do you like to make?
@ThatCasualZach2 жыл бұрын
@Black Lesbian Poet lol
@deborahdicembre95792 жыл бұрын
Brilliant . Thankyou !! I am an artist but also work in galleries so I know what I'm doing .
@ComicCryptoStock2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been investing in comic book art for a few years now. I definitely have some pieces that have done very well.
@bibbycooper22 жыл бұрын
Thank you for broading my interests. I like & respect your family values. Keep on keeping on. B
@bibbycooper22 жыл бұрын
Trying to text but an old dog trying to use new technology.
@uriyeldill72682 жыл бұрын
Great Video Pat
@nmp34012 жыл бұрын
I'm was disappointed by this video. I am a huge PBD fan and consume your content regularly. Was looking forward to this one because of the mystique around the Art industry. Watching it however, left me with the same questions that I had prior to watching it. I want to know about the black market and money laundering side of the Art industry. Keep up the great work. Your awesome. Cheers.
@rebeccaperson85812 жыл бұрын
Check out Steven D. Kelley’s exposées of what is going on at The Getty Museum in L.A. Unbelievable!!
@SuperDry_2 жыл бұрын
Hi Patrick, absolutely loved watching this video and understanding how art is valued, great explanation👍
@nathansands712 жыл бұрын
Spot on analysis
@deskroyalefr2 жыл бұрын
thanks for those great explanation
@JanoyCresva2 жыл бұрын
this is a very elaborate ad.
@kalvin11232 жыл бұрын
You should talk to Jake Tran. He made a very good video related to this.
@CalmDownJack2 жыл бұрын
love banksy
@brucewilson19582 жыл бұрын
The Exponential Consolidation of Wealth Globally by very few and the Sky Rocketing Inflation of Toys for those Rich People will, very soon, resolve in a Global Financial Collapse unimaginable and comprehensive.
@PiotrSzewczykPL2 жыл бұрын
_I love art and i invest in art_
@Justaguywithtruth2 жыл бұрын
This is great Brother, I'm still into classic cars but I can dig this concept..Thanks Very Much👏😎💪👍
@pat58822 жыл бұрын
And think about the memorabilia and various types of advertising that are synonymous with classic/antique/muscle cars.
@pablo-oq8is2 жыл бұрын
My family new Picasso and we have a couple of pieces from him he was from Spain but he came a lot to Latín America...
@ruready2rock8562 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see more videos on art. And your art that you collect.
@jerryterwase90272 жыл бұрын
I've been a struggling artist for over a decade after which I decided to simply keep an average day job. Watching this video makes me want to look in a mirror and say......
@kornbreadearl2 жыл бұрын
Solid convo
@rebeccaperson85812 жыл бұрын
See Steven D. Kelley’s videos about The Getty in Los Angeles - mind blowing !!
@1HourBule2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I felt the last few videos sucked. But this is valuetainment
@True-Poet2 жыл бұрын
Man I'm an artist. How do you get into reach with these buyers? I been searching and searching. When you coming up it's super hard to get notice. It's crazy talent, gifted and working hard isn't enough at all. Smh
@HOUSE-OF-FRANKENSTEIN2 жыл бұрын
Very Cool insights thanks Patrick
@NorthWestAutos2 жыл бұрын
Art is a great investment to hedge against inflation. Better than gold.
@user-ob9zo9cr4c Жыл бұрын
well done video, glad u on this level/position put 0 negative thoughts on NFT or also known as digital art which is future, that's for sure. + in NFTs u can invest in small cash, depends on coin/blockchain u want to use. but I wish I could go with normal art world.
@Realizinq2 жыл бұрын
Patrick, you should look into interviewing Robert Rivani, 31 years old, Persian, self made commercial real estate mogul in south Florida. I’d love to hear his full story of how he did it, start to finish, he doesn’t have many interviews.
@DP-ht1cx2 жыл бұрын
It takes money to make money
@ZavioBurchenson2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@my2sats2602 жыл бұрын
Just watched your card collection show. Toll Jr high - Hoover! Hello brother👋🏼
@ethan39422 жыл бұрын
Great video! Value added for sure!
@makingcookingfixing2 жыл бұрын
You have to invest in emerging artists. One artist to pay attention to is Dimitri Likissas with his dot paintings.
@nayanmipun67842 жыл бұрын
How do these artists display their work in galleries? Do they pay the galleries? Do the galleries pay them? Do they sell online to customers directly? Do they sell through some clubs?
@paulgarcia28872 жыл бұрын
Video title ".....Why Billionaires Use It To Avoid Taxes" you forgot to include that part
@thearchangelmichae012 жыл бұрын
All art is not the same, it's the best art's returns that outpace the s&p500. Masterworks and other use the numbers game where they pick a basket of the best performing art and calculate their returns and then say art is outpacing the s&p500. Felix Salmon is a respected financejournalist and he has talk and written about just the art world and have people cherry pick numbers and the amount of scams there are in the artworld.
@adyankhattak6971 Жыл бұрын
amazing video
@profitabundance707072 жыл бұрын
This is where crypto or rather nft's come in handy because with that type of technology the artist can keep receiving royalties when the artist artpiece gets resold and rebought over and over again so the initial profits of 10k would've grown to 45 million years later.
@QueenofArgyle25252 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if I would buy in like that. It seems to Me that, it is like buying gold on paper.
@svers_personal2 жыл бұрын
At the very core of this all, Pat is an excellent salesperson.
@betsymabry79532 жыл бұрын
Interesting insight...thank you. Wondering if rare musical instrument values may not be increasing faster now for some of the same reasons...hmmm.
@samvojtech11532 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm an artist & if one person sees this & learns something, the world is a better place! I'm sending Joey a piece I did & if you like it, you can buy it from him. Thanks, Sir!
@peterjonescsatorna2 жыл бұрын
great channel. super
@doctorjpy2 жыл бұрын
a big reason why the art market exists is to store value anonymously.. perfect for laundering or hiding wealth... if not for this the valuation would be much lower.. you didn't talk about this very important point in your video.
@vlastafe2 жыл бұрын
I recommend to read Fernand LeGros, biography
@georgebaghdassarian47372 жыл бұрын
This is cool stuff !!!
@dosomething69752 жыл бұрын
There can be dividens with NFTs
@humbertoperez49332 жыл бұрын
The SABER Flag piece!!!!!
@DinoMan_62 жыл бұрын
Nice video.
@GenghisKhan3112 жыл бұрын
Been daying this
@BdeJJG2 жыл бұрын
Love the vid but there is too mamh spam bots on the comment related to master works, thats not a good look on your end.
@shabahgeorges5742 жыл бұрын
Too much Cash register "Cha-ching" sound effect. We get it, it's alot of 💰
@J-Mac82 жыл бұрын
What about watches?
@ComedianRadical11 ай бұрын
If I create my own art. What do I need to do to make the art a valid piece of collateral for a loan
@chriss43652 жыл бұрын
Problem with art its like real estate it doesn't make you anything while you hold it.
@rymillar81262 жыл бұрын
It's a gamble on demand but what you're really betting is currency devaluation. That's a Great bet.
@dynamics90002 жыл бұрын
any idea that can create value into the market place, will make money and grow in the market. a fellow creator ..
@UlickMcGee-Mo2 жыл бұрын
Common sense is a fantastic gift from God if only folks would rely on it more
@Audunforgard2 жыл бұрын
Looking at the comments IT becomes pretty clear vert few buy art for art's sake. I just gotta figure a way to get paidfor my pieces, and I'll invest in developing breakthrough technologies
@ALT_RIGHT2 жыл бұрын
It's used as payments for child trafficking as well you should cover that
@youKnowWho33112 жыл бұрын
ALWAYS........... know the rules. ALWAYS.
@rasul4072 жыл бұрын
E X P O S E D !!!!
@marcuskamil37842 жыл бұрын
@Valuetainment Pat, Nice video! Please do more on art, but, the artist Edvard Munch (The Scream) is not pronounced «Munic»🤣 And besides The Scream, he also sold «Vampire» and «Girls on The Bridge» for roughly 38 and 54 million dollars. You should check him out😎
@nickslavik32322 жыл бұрын
Dividends
@hthomasackermann2 жыл бұрын
this video could have been presented in less than 2 min. He is not talking about art, which would have taken many hours to expose, even the tip of that iceberg. All he needed to explain were the mechanisms of promotion that fool or convince people to accept the truth behind a particular assertion, in this case, the value of a widget called art. That's all.
@ThatCasualZach2 жыл бұрын
You gonna be ok? Lol
@roberthdg2 жыл бұрын
some pay tens of millions for a shredded painting and people say Bitcoin is a scam?
@mikael66982 жыл бұрын
Investing has to do with time, earning money has to do with the present trends😏
@timzhuang4222 жыл бұрын
Dividends*
@hblee882 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching this but what's with the hammering...?
@gfresh3532 жыл бұрын
I would never sink my hard-earned money into such subjective frills as art for investment purposes. Too volatile. That’s a mistake. With that said, I understand if someone is willing to pay a lot for an art piece because it holds deep meaning for them and they can afford it.