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How the Underground Came Together (Part 1)

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Jago Hazzard

Jago Hazzard

Күн бұрын

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@baxtermarrison5361
@baxtermarrison5361 3 жыл бұрын
So, in a nutshell, we owe our Capital's public transport system to a shifty American with an impressive moustache.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
Including (but a different one) the start of the old tram network.
@atuljhaveri3377
@atuljhaveri3377 3 жыл бұрын
Selfridges as well!
@baxtermarrison5361
@baxtermarrison5361 3 жыл бұрын
@@atuljhaveri3377 With the added bonus of a fine pair of mutton chops in his younger days!
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair to the moustache such facial appendages were the norm by that time. In fact in the British Army soldier were actively encourage to grow a moustache.
@baxtermarrison5361
@baxtermarrison5361 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigblue6917 Perhaps, as a topic, 'Victorian facial hair, style and variaton and how it shaped the modern transport revolution' would be a catchy title for a video!
@NomadicMScott
@NomadicMScott 3 жыл бұрын
i love a good underground tale while eating my breakfast, it's a good start to the day...
@RebMordechaiReviews
@RebMordechaiReviews 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, same here.
@ayindestevens6152
@ayindestevens6152 3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@adrianrutterford762
@adrianrutterford762 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting at bedtime too.
@alonso071
@alonso071 2 жыл бұрын
Me too. I love trains.
@ivo140720
@ivo140720 3 жыл бұрын
I feel so stupid for not realising until now that Bakerloo stands for Baker Street and Waterloo line.
@honestguy7764
@honestguy7764 3 жыл бұрын
You are not alone there....
@PeterNancarrow
@PeterNancarrow 3 жыл бұрын
Bakerloo Couldn't escape if I wanted to Bakerloo Knowing my fate is to be with you Oh, oh, oh, oh, Bakerloo Finally facing my Bakerloo Sorry couldn't resist my self
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 3 жыл бұрын
I'm the same. And it's not helped by the fact that there's a Peterloo in Manchester. And there's no Peter and Waterloo line.
@cargy930
@cargy930 3 жыл бұрын
It was a toss up between calling it that or "The Strewater Line". :P :D
@xmlthegreat
@xmlthegreat 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigblue6917 that's where Peter goes to the Loo with his Dinklage then. Hehehe
@RailwayDan
@RailwayDan 3 жыл бұрын
The myriad of tunnels beneath London amazes me. It must be like a swiss cheese down there. How on earth do they map it all out and not end up tunnelling straight through things like water mains, electrical supplies, sewer tunnels, other railways and suchlike. There must have been incidents in the past where this has (or nearly) happened !! Brilliant vid as always Jago. Looking forward to episode 2.
@allwaizeright9705
@allwaizeright9705 3 жыл бұрын
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@allwaizeright9705
@allwaizeright9705 3 жыл бұрын
These 2 are fascinating on how they did some of the line - Especially around OXFORD CIRCUS
@kruador
@kruador 3 жыл бұрын
Short answer is basically that they don't really know. Every time anything needs to be modified, someone needs to research who owns what land and what might be under it. Things are getting better but historically it just wasn't recorded, or at least not in an accessible fashion. London Reconnections has an article on this this week: www.londonreconnections.com/2021/covenants-easements-wayleaves-transport-asset-interface-register-part-2/ From part 1 of that article: In 2013, a developer building a new skyscraper drilled a hole through the Great Northern & City tunnel near Old Street. They had failed to check with Network Rail (who now own that bit) whether there was anything down there. They had planned to drive piles as far down as 9 metres below the GN&C tunnel. They narrowly missed a train.
@2H80vids
@2H80vids 3 жыл бұрын
@@allwaizeright9705 Good links to two excellent documentaries on the construction of the Victoria Line. Thanks for sharing these.👍
@tomeklecocq
@tomeklecocq 3 жыл бұрын
Actually Paris is even worse than London in this regard as big parts of the city are covered in abandoned underground quarries. A lot of people don't know that when travelling on the metro or RER sometimes the tunnel they're traveling in is actually floating inside a huge underground cave. As you would expect, building underground tunnels in these had its challenges. If not too big, the caves would be filled in with concrete when tunneling through these.
@simonbauer83
@simonbauer83 3 жыл бұрын
You never disappoint, chap!
@panzerkami2381
@panzerkami2381 3 жыл бұрын
Heading for 100K subs! I've been watching since it was in the low thousands and it's great to see how the channel's grown. Well deserved.
@JagoHazzard
@JagoHazzard 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@whiskeytuesday
@whiskeytuesday 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early the... trains were... on time or something.
@whiskeytuesday
@whiskeytuesday 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very poor joke. I apologise, the pressure to get in first for uber nerd points got to me.
@peterbustin2683
@peterbustin2683 3 жыл бұрын
Wow ! You must be incredibly old !
@Gordons1888
@Gordons1888 3 жыл бұрын
"I am not going to drown you in information" :( The video was great anyway :)
@4KExplorer
@4KExplorer 3 жыл бұрын
4:50 - with a moustache like that, he ain't messing about.
@mickeydodds1
@mickeydodds1 3 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: The District Line, which for part of its route more or less hugs the north bank of the Thames, was initially constructed around the same time as Joseph Bazalgette's great London sewer building program. Part of its route is contained within the Victoria Embankment which it shares with the Northern Outfall Sewer, a nifty (or nifty) piece of dual use design.
@JakubChalupnik
@JakubChalupnik 3 жыл бұрын
I've been to London just once, almost 20 years ago, and the thing I remember most was the tube. I recall it didn't make any sense to me - all trains were different, all tunnels looked different, all looked so old and disconnected... now it all makes much more sense, thanks! btw: Paris tube gave me the same impression - different styles, different trains, looooong narrow tunnels connecting platforms...
@Bobrogers99
@Bobrogers99 3 жыл бұрын
This presentation cries out for more maps that show the lines and expansions as the narration is taking place. We do get four quick maps, but the relevance to the narration isn't always clear.
@bowzert
@bowzert 3 жыл бұрын
That, please, Jago
@joncrawford3485
@joncrawford3485 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, I really was expecting "To be continued..." trailing text at the end... with "sorry... but you knew it was coming as this is part 1 after all" underneath.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
Note Marc Brunel's Tunnel was originally a toll tunnel for horse drawn traffic, then a foot tunnel. Rather a lot of foresight on Marc's part to build it large enough for railway locomotives and carriages.
@cargy930
@cargy930 3 жыл бұрын
Given the height of a fully enclosed carriage and driver, its proportions make sense. Shame they never provided the means of access for this to happen. But the best laid plans... I find it amazing that, not only were they attempting the unprecedented feat of a tunnel under a large river, but that they chose to build two adjacent (but linked) tunnels, rather than a man-sized single bore with passing places. All of that despite the infancy of the technology. Truly a grandiose scheme.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
@@cargy930 Reading something today (A History of Stepney (the place) I didnt know there were stoneways - additional, presumably hardened stonework in roads with a greater longitudinal length than the stone setts normally used. These were for carriages being space normal cart width apart. in the roadway. I assume it was to cope with the extra weight of laden (with frieght or people) hackneys, wagons and so on.
@cargy930
@cargy930 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 You just know that, just like today's bloody-minded drivers, there will have been a proportion of wagon drivers who thought they were better than everyone else and decided they should ignore the the stoneways, causing damage to the setts each side as a result. Probably! Or I've been watching too many dashcam videos!
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
@@cargy930 The horses had more sense
@rayfisher3921
@rayfisher3921 Жыл бұрын
The first Thames tunnel would make a great topic for a video, if Jago hasn't already done it without me noticing.
@dvdvnr
@dvdvnr 3 жыл бұрын
I've known pretty much all this stuff for ages (I'm old enough to have travelled on Standard Tube stock and vaguely remember doing so back in the 1960s), but having Jago tell us all over again along with his dry humorous quips makes it so much more interesting! Cheers, Jago!
@___spiritofadventure___
@___spiritofadventure___ 8 ай бұрын
I love seeing Brompton Road, Down Street, South Kentish Town, York Road and City Road on those old maps. Bring em back!
@BarryAllenMagic
@BarryAllenMagic 3 жыл бұрын
What a superb video - even my beloved East London line got a mention. 😀👍
@Joe90V
@Joe90V 3 жыл бұрын
The chaotic free-for-all that preceeded the LU is the perfect metaphor for England - first to try something, make a pigs ear of it, but stick with it out of obstinacy/spite !!
@kavorkaa
@kavorkaa 3 жыл бұрын
In a way the Tokyo metro system is still a bunch of municipal lines,private lines,metro lines, first time i visited in 2008 you needed to buy separate tickets for each,now they have some form of travelcard That was how what we see now as unified networks like London Underground were before,a disparate colection of lines
@bokhans
@bokhans 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that the different companies have their own tub maps in Tokyo and don’t like to show competitors on their map. Two stations on a map could actually be 10 and something that look far could be a huge shortcut if you take an other line.Tokyo metro is pretty difficult but on the upside, some of the best English speaking persons I meet in Tokyo was people in way out metro stations. There is a brand new JP Japan railway museum quite far out in a Tokyo suburb very interesting but no information what so ever in English or any of the languages of their neighbouring countries like Russia, China or Korea.
@kavorkaa
@kavorkaa 3 жыл бұрын
@@bokhans Thats right,lately it has become easier,but still there are lots private rail lines off the Tokyo Metro and Toei municipal lines that branch out to the suburbs,some of them built by real state developers to give their customers a conection to Tokyo,some with outlandish names and train designs,really interesting,Japan is endlessly bizarre and not just railwise
@bokhans
@bokhans 3 жыл бұрын
@@kavorkaa thats why I as a Scandinavian like it so much. My plan was to go back for my third time in 2020 but that didn’t work by know reasons. I was also thinking of being a volunteer at the olympics, I don’t think that will happen either! 😞 2022 is my best right now.
@andyjay729
@andyjay729 3 жыл бұрын
@@bokhans Isn't that true of all of Japan? Most of the rail lines are run by JR, but there's still a lot of private lines throughout the country, some of them pretty long.
@the_9ent
@the_9ent 3 жыл бұрын
So right. The whole set up is a mess and very confusing. Let’s hope one day it comes under an umbrella simuliert to the LU.
@HSMiyamoto
@HSMiyamoto 3 жыл бұрын
What I find fascinating is the extent to which the London Underground began as a link to help people traveling between other cities avoid London's streets, and to allow people arriving from London terminals access other, more dense parts of London. Intracity transportation seems to have been an afterthought for the first several decades.
@alanhaf2489
@alanhaf2489 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy all your videos, especially Tales from the Tube. Being from USA I have only been on Picadilly, Metropolitan, and maybe Circle. Hope to come back - when we can - when things are better for everybody
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff Marshall's animations show some of this visually, sometimes line by line.
@simonwinter8839
@simonwinter8839 3 жыл бұрын
This video got me thinking. Since the origins of the underground were not planned to be cohesive ,but competitive, what might the system have looked like if it had been planned from the beginning as one entity. I think that would be impossible to say as the London we know today is BECAUSE of the underground. Development especially in the suburbs tended to come after the lines were built, Metroland being a very good example. So it seems to me that the unplanned chaos that is London underground had a big hand in shaping the London we know today.Had the underground been planned from the start (which I of course realise that given it's origins of many different companies and the many years apart the lines were built from each other that this would be a ridiculous hypothesis)London would have looked very different.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
London above ground (in Z1-5 at least) had been part determined by the Omnibus Network (and indeed the short stage carriages and mail coaches ) in the victorian era and the turnpike roads. then expanded on the horse and later tram systems. Also other above ground railways pre-dated the underground ones . A proper plan might have seen the Piccadilly go south , and the bakerloo beyond elephant , and better ways to serve Sutton in Surrey. And that actual Great Central route through to a proper channel tunnel .
@Peasmouldia
@Peasmouldia 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 Central line from Stratford to Epping was originally GER. You can still see many of the stations still have a lot of the original architecture. Became part of the tube 1935-40. Leytonstone became the junction of the Loughton Epping Ongar line with the construction of the Newbury Park loop. Central isn't the only line to have incorporated suburban railways either.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
@@Peasmouldia Spoiler for Part Two !!!
@stuartmcconnachie
@stuartmcconnachie 3 жыл бұрын
2:51 What? No men posing? Oh no wait.... just the driver and fireman.
@linkieloos
@linkieloos 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm going to simplify a bit so I don't drown you in information." Why? We love information! It's why we come to your channel. ;) Great video once again.
@boohaka
@boohaka 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is starting to make sense! In all the time I virtually grew up on the underground, I never wondered about the creation of it. I assumed it was all done with our best interests and just magically appeared as one harmonious entity!
@1minigrem
@1minigrem 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, love this series already.
@integralhighspeedusb
@integralhighspeedusb 3 жыл бұрын
Preemptive like. I’m sure I won’t regret it.
@whyyoulidl
@whyyoulidl 3 жыл бұрын
+1
@RebMordechaiReviews
@RebMordechaiReviews 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this very much. Most of the names however, went flying by like a train passing through a station without stopping, but I got the overall story. Metropolitan and District, District and Metropolitan, District, Metropolitan, Waterloo, Baker Street becomes Bakerloo, The Great Eastern, Western, Southern, Northern something or other, merges with the Whatitsname to become the Great East-West Metropolitan Southern District Underground something...(my brain hurts). I'm sure someone like Geoff Marshall has drawn a Tube style flowchart map of all this. It all sounds like a Monty Python sketch or that old joke about trying to explain the rules of Cricket to an American (when they are in and then out so they go in and the next one goes out and is then in...)
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
Highgate, Moorgate, Aldgate, Shoreditch. Brompton, City, York Road, Elephant, Kings Cross, Queensway, Royal Oak, Ealing, (Common) , MORNINGINTON CRESCENT.
@Titot182
@Titot182 3 жыл бұрын
You remind me of an Adam Hart-Davis documentary I'd watch as a kid mixed with a bit of Discovery Megastructures. Nostalgically informative
@robertmcgovern8850
@robertmcgovern8850 3 жыл бұрын
"Buy up old junk, fix it up a little, and then load it on other fellows." Private equity, then. ;)
@ajs41
@ajs41 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Im hoping to attempt the famous Tube Challenge as soon as the lockdown is over. I found out about it thanks to Geoff Marshall.
@mastertrams
@mastertrams 3 жыл бұрын
And as soon as the Northern Line extension opens?
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
@@mastertrams Would it be a new record whatever the time to complete it (It has to be done within day - not past 235959 of the day of starting I think to qualify
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
Dont forget part of it is the need to run or other public transport between some stations, two records with, and without, olympia. take a couple of mobiles connected to real time information with the need to work out when the LT&SR route is quicker outbound or inbound for the fast retrace steps section/s
@michaeldwyer3352
@michaeldwyer3352 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck, but wait until the Northern Line extension to Battersea opens in the autumn - otherwise any timing you achieve will be irrelevant to the enlarged network.
@hairyairey
@hairyairey 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact, because the line to Moorgate is a railway line (when strictly speaking like crossrail and parts of the overground it's an underground line) a ticket from Peterborough to "London terminals" is valid, by changing at Finsbury Park. Easier and cheaper than getting the underground, although not always quicker (it's about a 15 minute service most of the time).
@ThomasTrue
@ThomasTrue 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Jago. Without being uncharitable, I think we can say that the London Underground was not so much built as "congealed".
@adiebarrett
@adiebarrett 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing entertainment - and now, serials with cliff-hangers. Of a sort. Jago, this is good stuff!
@plinkplanky
@plinkplanky 3 жыл бұрын
Any one else get really excited when notification comes thru that a nee video been uploaded?
@paddyneill1964
@paddyneill1964 2 жыл бұрын
I like the Underground mosaic, that’s pretty cool.
@sewing9434
@sewing9434 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody but Jago could sum up so much history so succinctly. Very well done! Many comments could be made, but at 7:20...what on earth...thousands of years of human philosophy summed up so pithily aside Frank Pick's name in a roundel, the most iconic corporate logo of all time? Quite amazing. (Research reveals that it's an art installation at Piccadilly Circus.)
@eattherich9215
@eattherich9215 3 жыл бұрын
Jago mentioned the Frank Pick dedication in another video and it is, indeed, in Picadilly Circus station.
@CorvoFG
@CorvoFG 3 жыл бұрын
A shot every time Jago says “Railway”
@mr.superguy565
@mr.superguy565 3 жыл бұрын
You're gonna endt op in the hospital
@SK_3PT1
@SK_3PT1 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.superguy565 no death
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 3 жыл бұрын
Since Jago is not only talking about the infrastructure, but also the companies involved, by necessity, "railway" comes up often. The question is, can you last the duration of the video?
@AndreTraveler
@AndreTraveler 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, looking forward to the next vid.
@Peasmouldia
@Peasmouldia 3 жыл бұрын
I always preferred the cut and cover lines. I'd change at Mile End from the Central line just to be on a more "proper" and far less packed train. Deep lines were quicker, but way more claustrophobic. Thanks JH. P.S. Don't worry about bombarding us with info, that's why we're watching..
@ulazygit
@ulazygit 3 жыл бұрын
You never fail to provide quality content ... eagerly anticipating part 2!
@Hammondfreak
@Hammondfreak 3 жыл бұрын
Really well compiled narrative and pics -- I anticipate the next with relish (Piccalilli and Piccadilly).
@gerrymccartney3561
@gerrymccartney3561 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Looking forward to part two.
@adscri
@adscri 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t expect there will be a ‘The story so far’.
@nightlurker
@nightlurker 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!!!! Thank you Jago, well worth the wait.😸😸😸🚂🚂🚃🚃🚃
@skylarius3757
@skylarius3757 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter how long a youtube video is, people will still watch it if interested in the particular topic. More people need to like this channel :)
@cjr6564
@cjr6564 3 жыл бұрын
" Bal ham, gateway to the South"! A great starting point Jago and an an informative and interesting Video Thanks.
@RichardFelstead1949
@RichardFelstead1949 3 жыл бұрын
Same Tube Channel, Same Tube Time for next enthralling instalment.
@shauntodd7123
@shauntodd7123 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic start Jago cannot wait for Part 2
@robjw66111
@robjw66111 3 жыл бұрын
Another tour de force, of course starting the video in Balham (gateway to the 'saff'), where I spent my early years (before moving further south to Merton and then before moving even further south to Perth in Australia), may have influenced me. My Balham underground station really hasn't changed much!
@joannaatkinson235
@joannaatkinson235 3 жыл бұрын
As always, informative and interesting. One of the reasons I subscribed when I found you and I'm so pleased that this is a multi-parter!
@curtiscoon6299
@curtiscoon6299 3 жыл бұрын
great video. Thank you very much and I look forward to part two.
@hyperdistortion2
@hyperdistortion2 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent as ever! And a top cliffhanger to keep us keen for Pt.2 (as if I wasn’t going to watch at my earliest convenience...)
@shaunwest3612
@shaunwest3612 3 жыл бұрын
Great video jago, amazing London underground history, love it👌👍😀
@SecretSquirrelFun
@SecretSquirrelFun 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, looking forward to part 2.
@the_9ent
@the_9ent 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate all the time and effort taken to make this series
@annab.4342
@annab.4342 3 жыл бұрын
Lot of information , very interesting going to see part 2!
@theminipetabyte4610
@theminipetabyte4610 3 жыл бұрын
Midnight on the West Coast. Must be morning in the UK.
@lloydcollins6337
@lloydcollins6337 3 жыл бұрын
07:56
@sewing9434
@sewing9434 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, fellow West Coaster...midnight is the best time to watch a new Jago Hazzard video!
@lloydcollins6337
@lloydcollins6337 3 жыл бұрын
@@sewing9434 UK in my case, sorry to dissapoint
@sewing9434
@sewing9434 3 жыл бұрын
@@lloydcollins6337 Alas, I meant the OP. We have the advantage of being able to enjoy Jago's latest offerings late at night, since that's when they come out in our time zone.
@vincentkohlumcfan22
@vincentkohlumcfan22 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting newly painted gap hazard thingys at Balham!
@russellb1212
@russellb1212 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, very interesting, starting by for part 2
@janscattergood7294
@janscattergood7294 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Looking forward to part 2 & 3. These keep me going as I can't wait to visit London (when appropriate) and travel on the underground. Thank you. x
@andyjay729
@andyjay729 3 жыл бұрын
The New York City Subway also started out as several separate private rail lines, often competing with each other, that were eventually bought by the city and knit into one system. But some of the systems used different tunnel boring techniques and thus had different tunnel sizes; to this day some trains can't be used on certain lines.
@andyjay729
@andyjay729 3 жыл бұрын
PS: Which other cities' subway/metro/whatever systems had similar origins? I know to this day Tokyo actually has two separate subway systems.
@mittfh
@mittfh 3 жыл бұрын
So not just the beginning of the Underground as we know it, but with buying up bus and tram operators, possibly an ancestral prototype for TfL (which has also added light rail, surface heavy rail [Overground - although I'm disappointed Overground services haven't joined Underground services in the vicinity of a very tidy South West London common!] and even a cable car [!] to its remit).
@bigaspidistra
@bigaspidistra 3 жыл бұрын
It was almost an accident really that so many lines combined under Yerkes in such a short time. Some of these lines had been kicking around for 10 years or more without being built and if left longer may never have been at least under private ownership. Still in some ways JP Morgan's Piccadilly, City and North East London Railway might have been rather more useful than the Piccadilly Line as built by Yerkes - some parts of London had to wait another 70 years to get a line they would have had with that one.
@peteryoung4957
@peteryoung4957 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and looking forward to part 2
@neilthehermit4655
@neilthehermit4655 3 жыл бұрын
And of course you leave us on a cliffhanger! - Can't wait for the rest of the story.
@davidsheriff8989
@davidsheriff8989 3 жыл бұрын
Great research as usual..I used the Central Line ( well named ) and Hammersmith City far more than any others...
@Juliozz3
@Juliozz3 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for part 2!
@tonyboloni64
@tonyboloni64 3 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure.
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron 3 жыл бұрын
I’d love a half hour long complete history. I’m sure a few others would too but I understand the algorithm wouldn’t be very happy with that length of video. Anyway, always interesting and informative. Keep up the good work fella and stay safe.
@DentalHygieneTipsUk
@DentalHygieneTipsUk 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can't wait for p2
@RadioJonophone
@RadioJonophone 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that was dense. By which I mean as packed as the Victoria Line at 1600hrs. I recall reading a book by Jean-Paul Satre where the concepts came ten to a sentence. It seemed that ideas were piled on each other in a tangled haystack from which one was invited to pick out the valuable needles. Anyway, the TubeTube allows one to rewind or play again to Pick up connections that hurtled by in a haze first time around. Good argument for circular travel. Well done, Jago. I'm looking forward to further whistle-stop instalments.
@tomaspetkevicius6444
@tomaspetkevicius6444 3 жыл бұрын
Very very interesting, looking forward to more ;) and part 2 i havent even watched first yet :D
@michaeldwyer3352
@michaeldwyer3352 3 жыл бұрын
Charles Tyson Yerkes was certainly a rogue - he actually served a prison term in Pennsylvania for fraud. But rogues often see opportunities and get things done. Incidentally all his London underground rail enterprises were failing financially by the time he died just before the completion of the Bakerloo line in 1907. It's remarkable that Stanley (later raised to the peerage as Baron Ashfiels) and Pick managed to pick up the pieces so deftly.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the money came in more from commercial lettings and investments in property as much as passenger traffic. But trams were seen as working class, tubes middle. Buses actually made the money subsidisiing the holes in the ground.
@brianparker663
@brianparker663 3 жыл бұрын
True story - when I was at Uni there was a guy in my flat who had come over to London for the first time. He had arrived at Paddington and later took the Central line to Oxford Circus. That first train had been red (38 stock?) so he spent half an hour waiting for the light blue train to take him to Victoria - assuming the trains were also colour-coded. It was actually a perfectly understandable assumption. That chap is now a well-known news presenter.
@theblah12
@theblah12 3 жыл бұрын
I remember being massively confused how the subsurface metropolitan/district/circle lines worked. What do you mean, those lines share the same bits of track and station platforms?
@dennistay9980
@dennistay9980 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video as always Jago :)
@cameo403
@cameo403 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, looking forward to the other two in the series.
@seanbonella
@seanbonella 11 ай бұрын
Yerkes stiry starts here....great stuff Jago
@PaulSmith-pl7fo
@PaulSmith-pl7fo 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jago. Really looking forward to parts 2 & 3 (or more?). If you don't do so, I would very much like to see the progression from steam to electric motive traction on the Underground. You have shown a picture of the first(?) electric tractor, but I would like to see how they progressed.
@francesconicoletti2547
@francesconicoletti2547 3 жыл бұрын
If I understand correctly the trigger for all of this was a piece of legislation that limited how close main line stations could get to the centre of London. After all what would a railway company do knock down St Paul’s to build a terminus ? Given it was the 19th century, quite likely. The travellers on the main lines had a last mile problem getting from the termini to central London. The underground was the solution.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
Generally this is correct, if not legislation it was corporation of london edict. The number of stations generally proposed for central london and the city were goods ones as much as passenger. Rather a problem as having euston when a cross london route above or below ground would have been more useful
@francesconicoletti2547
@francesconicoletti2547 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 well it was the 19th century. I doubt they could have built a long heavy gauge rail line under London. Cross rail the 21st century partial unpicking of the 19th century decision doesn’t seem to be going well. About ground is terrifying. Just how much of the City of London would have been left by the time the railways got through with it. I lived at the tail end of the city motorway mania of the 70’s . And it might be colouring my judgment.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
@@francesconicoletti2547 Given the already earlier canal and rail tunnels elsewhere the means was known - if the ground was suitable, before london really got its railways - the problem was viaducts gave you commercial space you could let out, or undercrofts at stations could be used for goods transfer depots etc.
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone was going to construct a rail link under the Thames, it was going to be a Brunel family member. One of the 19th C. greatest, engineering dynasties.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
not built as a rail link, Jago uses correct english but the brevity of it enables an ambigious reading to be inferred.
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 My fault. I did mean the actual tunnel, thinking of past Brunel structures to do with railways. I didn't realise the railway came much later. Amazing to think this was started in 1825.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
@@channelsixtysix066 I dont even think it was the first tunnel under the thames - I might be wrong on that and getting confused with Rotherhithe )
@zork999
@zork999 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 Yes, it was built as a road tunnel but ended up in such financial problems (horribly over budget) that the approach roads were never built and it was used purely as a pedestrian tunnel until the railway plan came along 20 years later.
@iankemp1131
@iankemp1131 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 It was the first tunnel under the Thames - it runs from Wapping to Rotherhithe. And the experience of building it put everyone off for another 50 years or so. The line was underused for years - too far east. Only in last last few years as part of the new Overground "circle" has it really come into its own.
@johnbowles4754
@johnbowles4754 3 жыл бұрын
Love it Mr Hazard, can't wait for part 2 😎
@danielpirone8028
@danielpirone8028 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@thegreybeard3441
@thegreybeard3441 3 жыл бұрын
Random note, when at Mansion House when it’s quiet you can hear the Waterloo and City trains where the tunnels are that close
@1963TOMB
@1963TOMB 3 жыл бұрын
There are several tube sections on the underground where, when working at night with the traction current off (of course) you hear the rumble of a train and think OMG there's a train coming when in fact its passing close by on another line.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
@@1963TOMB Sometimes its a battery loco engineering train coming through.
@1963TOMB
@1963TOMB 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 Then I'd sack the Protection Master - if I survived!
@hairyairey
@hairyairey 3 жыл бұрын
@@1963TOMB especially under Kings Cross there are an extraordinary number of tunnels at different heights there.
@1963TOMB
@1963TOMB 3 жыл бұрын
@@hairyairey I even get spooked in the disused areas of Euston when I hear a train whilst I'm walking in cast iron segmented tunnels that don't even have a track in them!
@carlbyronrodgers
@carlbyronrodgers 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative and enjoyable
@teecefamilykent
@teecefamilykent 3 жыл бұрын
Another cracking video sir!
@stevenflebbe
@stevenflebbe 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh...good old Charles Tyson Yerkes. He may have been a villian, but he may just have got in ahead of all the other villians. There was nothing wrong with his vision, though. His ideas of unification ultimately proved correct for Chicago as well as for London. Great video...looking forward to Part 2.
@Jules_Diplopia
@Jules_Diplopia 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating.
@jimobasa525
@jimobasa525 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent narration as always. So articulate but occasionally sounding like a Church of England vicar.
@AIMIJACU
@AIMIJACU 3 жыл бұрын
looking forward to that second episode!!!
@JagoHazzard
@JagoHazzard 3 жыл бұрын
It’s coming this Sunday, and features pirates!
@AIMIJACU
@AIMIJACU 3 жыл бұрын
@@JagoHazzard can’t wait! always good when pirates are involved
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
Note the LSWR built segment of the district between Wimbledon (specifically Southfields and East Putney) and Putney Bridge is notable as having proper tunnels, not cut and cover for all its sub surface routing, probably the only tunnels on the District entire line.
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Thank You!
@chrissimmonds3734
@chrissimmonds3734 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful, I'm hooked on every episode
@Andrewjg_89
@Andrewjg_89 3 жыл бұрын
With the Metropolitan Line that extended into Buckinghamshire. It could of reached Aylesbury, Oxford and Thame. But it only goes as far as Amersham and the proposed extension to Watford Junction known as “Croxley Rail Link”. Which has been mothballed but it still could happen. And the Waterloo & City Line was part of Network Southeast but now is part of London Underground. And yes you got Great Northern using the Moorgate Line and Thameslink going through Central London. And hopefully Elizabeth Line will soon have trains going underneath Central London once it’s completed.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 3 жыл бұрын
It did reach Aylesbury, but why indeed not to Oxford (agreements with the GWR ?)
@Andrewjg_89
@Andrewjg_89 3 жыл бұрын
@@highpath4776 I think it went as far Brill which is in Buckinghamshire but close to the county border with Oxfordshire. As it was known as “Metroland”. And it even went to Verney Junction near Buckingham. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brill,_Buckinghamshire en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verney_Junction_railway_station en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro-land
@andrewatherton316
@andrewatherton316 3 жыл бұрын
Ends with a cliff hanger! Just how does it end up? Subscribe to the channel to catch Part 2!
@bongobaws7417
@bongobaws7417 3 жыл бұрын
Loving the videos
@timsully8958
@timsully8958 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff 🤓 Funny isn’t it how people assume it was all some grand plan rather than a haphazard bunch of lines thrown together. Perhaps it is because the iconic map weeds out the awkwardness and makes it appear mathematical and precise? 🤔 Great video mate. Looking forward to number 2, which I suspect will be up to your normal riveting high standard 👍🎩
@theblah12
@theblah12 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's interesting how despite being a collection of mostly unrelated lines, the system is still pretty efficient at serving central London - all the lines are decently spaced out from each other and connect to each other where you'd expect them to connect (with a few exceptions), and almost forms a grid-like pattern within inside the circle line.
@stephinepaul7483
@stephinepaul7483 3 жыл бұрын
Booted out American's and "The Combine." Well this got dark very quickly....
@n17hero
@n17hero 3 жыл бұрын
There are always so many facts in these videos I have to stop and go back. They're like the "last time on" segments from the early 80s US sitcom Soap. Last time on Tales from the tube...The District Line which was really the Metropolitan and District Line, but wasn't owned by the Metropolitan Railway company was now in bed with...
@elizabethspedding1975
@elizabethspedding1975 3 жыл бұрын
Thank-you that was very interesting.
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