How The Worgen Took Back Gilneas [Warcraft Lore]

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

“Hey the Scarlets are back!” “Oh wait, never mind.”

[@Resi1ience]

_Scarlets in MoP_ "hey they're back!" _they die_ "Aww." _Scarlets in Legion_ "Hey they're back!" _they die_ "Awww." _scarlets in Forsaken heritage_ "Hey they're back!" _they die_ "Awww." _scarlets in gilneas questline_ "Hey they're back!" _they die_ "Awww." Can't wait to finally join them.

[@smilly456]

@@Resi1ience It'll never happen Blizzard sees them the same way Bethesda sees the enclave just a "we need a villian for the player to fight" group all the while they try to redeem the irredeemable forsaken

[@davidwilson2916]

I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate you making these videos. Your channel was what got me into Warcraft lore, and even though I don't play the game, I still like to know what's going on. I hope your channel sticks around to cover the Worldsoul saga!

[@Nobbel87]

that's the plan!

[@cassiodalcin]

I hope the game sticks around for Nobbel to keep covering it!

[@alessandroseverino8222]

​@@cassiodalcin it's more about give him the motivation to play it. We allready saw a down poimt when we got the amazing plot twist of "you're the chosen one!" in shadowlands

[@8BitDeadlift]

Gnomes over here like "sweet! The alliance will liberate Gnomeregon next right? Right?"

[@Sierra-208]

Me: *is standing at the entrance to Gnomergon looking at a geiger counter that's going haywire* Unless Mekkatorque has found a way to deal with this radiation we're NOT going in there

[@alessandroseverino8222]

If your plan is turn into a lepergnome you're free to go. For radiation what you'll do? Shout at them?

[@StormAngelWolf]

We will push for it together. This worgen stands with you. I think the micagnoms can find a way. They reclaimed Chernobyl, didn't they 😒?

[@StormAngelWolf]

​@@alessandroseverino8222hmm I need to progress my mecagnome. 😅

[@reach3k]

magic@@Sierra-208

[@pyroslev]

I gave up the game years ago, retired my Worgen Hunter to the Hunter's Lodge but always wanted to reclaim Gilneas. Nice to know it happened.

[@baileygregg6567]

My Night Elf Hunter turned Orc after BC did the same but after they took my Dark Lady it just was not the same game. It was worse than when green Jesus (Nu-Thrall) went to “find himself” in Cataclysm… As a main PvPer I couldn’t just keep gearing and repeating… too many friends left long before even great raiders from Frozen Throne days💀❄️

[@StormAngelWolf]

A very lack luster return. The very heart of the defenders of GILNEAS Liam Greymane was neglected as was the great story of GILNEAS. This only means the creative mind behind GILNEAS left blizzard 14 years ago. The apologitic pathetic plot that sounds like a Democrats packaged lies continue from shadowlands. Such disrespectful attitude towards the plight of the worgen and night elves continues. But never have I seen worse neglect like that towards Gilnean worgen. At least the pressure yielded a reaction to remedy things though so pathetically reluctant.

[@StormAngelWolf]

Know this blizzard. We never surrender. We will go for the throat always. This will never end unless you make proper amends.

[@jamesgames4142]

@@StormAngelWolf”sound like a democrats packaged lies”. Bro, you need to go and sit in a dark room for a bit and chill out. It ain’t that deep.

[@StormAngelWolf]

@@jamesgames4142 👌🏽🤣👍🏽 it's just that I was expecting more than utter neglect. They threw us a bone n let us run with it. I was expecting a true visceral fight Dan gummit. Dungeon raid dude something pretty challenging. And was expecting to get to beating up old enemies with grudges not the templars kkk moonshine drunk cousins wow version.

[@zimti7390]

The Scarlet Crusade is now the Team Rocket of Azeroth

[@AbigatorM]

they always were xD

[@wskylar21]

Nobbel made a video longer than what the actual questline took xD

[@Alligator1107]

Wait the questline was under 22 minutes huh usually the questline takes a hour or half a hour my subscription for world of Warcraft is out

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

only for player rushing through it, not reading or listening to anything

[@jesusgasperi123456]

As someone that really like gilneas and worgen. This whole thing feels like a spit on the face on not only the gilneans but the forsaken as well. I mean they made the gilneans look so weak and pathetic that they need the forsaken TO GIVE THEM BACK THEIR CITY. I'll understand if the alliance was helping but the main force and the spear tip should be compromise of gilneans mainly. The forsaken also look weak because they apparently let the scarlet crusade comeback STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE OVER GILNEAS, you know the place that was supposed to be under forsaken control. I use to like Lilian and Tess but the way they are use is super frustrating and I am not gonna even start on what they did to greymane. Amazing story telling!

[@FenrirX]

Yeah it was a spit on the face. Just exchange Genn's place for the players that actually care about Genn, Gilneas and the Worgen and the message is clear. "Go away already!"

[@Resi1ience]

Not only stronger than ever and able to take back Gilneas, but forsaken heritage shows they claimed all but a small fraction of the forsaken's holdings. Then they needed both the forsaken, and the "full might of Gilneas" to stop them? It's like we never even attacked them. It's like our accomplishments meant nothing.

[@maniek2207]

I expected a longer and more epic story from "Reclaim a City"

[@ianardell4660]

Kinda doesn’t work when the two people who fought over the city are now on the same side.

[@nickghua9252]

Even if I have not played retail for several years, it is allways a comfort knowing im able to tune in here in order to catch up on my favorite characters ❤

[@cymrejones]

Thanks for including Liam and showing what happened to him. Always cool to see the Alliance side of things.

[@pkWreck]

Listen, all I'm saying is that voice acting on Lord Darius Crowley is fucking phenomenal

[@RealJuiceWrld]

That’s called being a lifelong smoker

[@AngelusAngel1100]

I was pissed when they didn't even mention Lorna and Darius! They were both pivotal roles within the starting zone, Lorna especially!

[@Keyblader001]

That entire cinematic just felt like they were setting up Genn's death. The entire time watching it, I just kept thinking "yea this dude is dying soon." Was like in a movie where a soldier is talking about "when I get home to my lady, I'm gonna love her right, and start a family" and then he dies in the next scene.

[@willythemailboy2]

Probably, but while watching it I wondered when Thrall was going to show up and tell him that time, by itself, heals nothing.

[@georgedevries3992]

"they were setting up Genn's death." Due to old age or...?

[@Ankhtowe]

@@georgedevries3992 Offered up as a heathen sacrifice to the depraved religion consuming Blizzard, and many other companies, from the inside out.

[@georgedevries3992]

@@Ankhtowe Yeah... I figured as much. Hope my new home of fantasy will remain safe.

[@Ankhtowe]

@@georgedevries3992 I wouldn't count on it. GW is positively infested with cultists. The new Lords of the Lance novel starts off with a girlboss that's beloved by everyone mouthing off to the lord of the castle about how to run things and effortlessly defeating hordes of undead by herself before rushing off to save her useless idiot incompetent brother, and that's just barely touching the surface of intense of a propaganda piece it is, including none-too-subtle "Europe was never White" cult sermons.

[@coleast1]

God, why is it the scarlet crusade you have to take it back from? That makes absolutely no sense. Just make it a faction of the forsaken who still follows Sylvanas, a rebelgroup. Forsaken took Gilneas so any true retaking should be from the undead.

[@NiinaBlue]

Only thing I was disappointed for was how short the quest line was. I mean.. I also have to ask.. we waited for.. this? I mean I wasn't surprised that Genn prolly wants to help Andyin now since he is coming back and he has to leave Gilneas for someone to rule over. But.. seriously? Waaay too short. Way too anticlimactic. After worgens was introduced, I became worgen main for life and I was so ready to claim our home back.. so uh, glad we did but.. seriously? Bunch of Scarlet squishies grave robbing? Comoon.. !!

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Personally I think Ivar and the Bloodfangs having claimed Gilneas as their territory would have been better antagonists for the reclaiming of Gilneas.

[@CloudianMH]

It was absolutely garbage.

[@NiinaBlue]

@@thenerdbeast7375 Yea, I've read your comment about that. Also to me those Scarlets just felt far fetched. Like the hell they're doing there? That land never belonged to them so there's nothing to "reclaim" for them. Just greedy little grave robbers.

[@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL]

Gilneas was the best starting zone, and the story of its fall was easily among the better stories specific to World of Warcraft. Having it end with a narrative wet fart like this is incredibly disappointing. But not quite as disappointing as the city the Horde, specifically the Forsaken, pushed the Gilnean people out of with chemical warfare just suddenly being welcoming to them because they killed a few zealots. Retroactively makes the starting zone a massive disappointment because this disaster is how it ends. It's like a later season of GoT, and I hated everything about it. If the choices were between this or another decade plus of waiting, I would have picked waiting. Hell, even if that second option were literally nothing ever I'd have picked it.

[@Junglewarfare]

I don’t get why they made Genn sound like such a sad lost puppy during the reclamation quests. Even after his son died he sounded strong and proud.

[@Ankhtowe]

Feminist writers. The entire expansion has been nothing but rampant crapping on men all over the place. Tumblr-tier at best.

[@TakaChan569]

@@Ankhtowe ...i hope this was just bait, if not you may need to seek help lol. What are you even talking about, this xpac has had nothing like that.

[@TakaChan569]

I don't know maybe because the guy has been through some shit over the past 14yrs and is getting tired of it lol, can only be "grrr i'm angry" for so long. I love how a male char showing any other kinda of emotion or attitude is seen as bad lol.

[@Junglewarfare]

@@TakaChan569 that could be it but idk I guess I just expected him to be more energetic. I think they are trying to portray him as remorseful to an extent but idk if it paid off that well. The rest of the quests and characters were fine imo

[@ericv738]

​@@TakaChan569 nah he's right

[@michaeldromes3948]

Pretty sad how much of the cool lore and fantasy behind these races is seemingly going away. Feels like Blizzard is almost rejecting the werewolf fantasy by making the new leader a non-worgen, after explicitely telling her how unimportant it is to her people. Similiar to undead who seem to be spending most of their time these days doing apologia for their own existence.

[@FenrirX]

Yeah, they're basically purging/retconning everything that doesn't fit 'modern audience' sensibilities or lore that would actually require of them to think and write well.

[@michaeldromes3948]

@@FenrirX I don't even understand how reshaping worgens into more human/Gilnean focused faction is keeping up with the modern sensitivity stuff. I get forsaken even if I disagree, but literally who doesn't find werewolves cool?

[@FenrirX]

@@michaeldromes3948 Because it's "lore that would actually require of them to think and write well."

[@KogaSagara]

such a warm fuzzy feel coming back to the place were totalbiscuit conviced me to play officially wow back in cata alpha, i got mix feeling with how weak genn was showed and why from nothing he gave the keys of the kingdom to a rouge (yes her daughter but she is a rouge for over a decade) with shaddy conections, that should have be a great story of her gainging the throne after gilneans rebuild at least a bit the nation, looking foward to see what will happen wwith the lands of crowley bc that shoudl be gilnean lands too(shadowfang keep revamp?). Another missing thing its Halford Ramsey, not a single mention of him or alpha prime or even the wolf cult (deleted from canon?) Ill will be always first a gilnean rather than alliance adventurer. FOR GILNEAS! PS: such a nice view a painting of a woman and not a bowl of fruits! (and the creepy child paint that blinks is still here, nice)

[@maelictyrsune]

She is the heir and no one else. Such like in real life it is not always the person that might seem to be fit for the throne.

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

So continues Blizzard's obsession with "out with the old". Just because Dragonflight is better than Shadowlands, doesn't nean its good. I'm noticing a trend with Blizzard, each expansion starts off strong and gets gradually more boring and shitty as the patches role out.

[@luisjosp5]

Another Scarlet Crusade defeat to the list...

[@RealJuiceWrld]

But they’re actually a HUGE organization that is growing!! Even though blizzard doesn’t show that at all in game!!!

[@seawind930]

@@RealJuiceWrld Yeah! just like the Troll empires.... that became fodder for the player characters. Nope the crusade is just another fodder faction for people to crush. They might as well be Bandits that wear red, and don't sight lore because Blizzard puts gameplay before Lore

[@maelictyrsune]

It is because of the Midnight expansion and their link to the New Avaloren.

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@maelictyrsune - What is? How does it relate? What are you talking about?

[@Aedrion-]

How they took it back? Lemme give you the TL;DR... The Forsaken plagued the land some more while everybody but the Gilneans took the city from a faction that doesn't exist anymore in the span if 30 minutes, after which Genn outed himself as too old for modern sensitivities and betrayed his people again by ceding the crown to a cutthroat with no leadership skills.

[@georgedevries3992]

This sums it up, perfectly!

[@apacalypsagon3758]

How does blizzard expect anyone to take the scarlet crusade seriously when all thry carry are Ls?

[@IpromiseIamnotabot]

Yeah. Ever since the Death Knights sacked the Scarlet Enclave it has been pretty downhill for them. 😅 But on the other hand they keep popping back up. So they clearly have SOME victories off screen. I mean they retook Gilneas before we did. And I bet it was more fun then this.

[@BasedHorrigan]

@@IpromiseIamnotabot This has some truth to it. They literally took Gilneas *before* the Gilneans. The only reason Greymane found out is because Tess met with Calia & Co. due to the fact the Forsaken were DRIVEN OUT by the Crusade. So the Forsaken are actually using the Gilneans to get rid of the Scarlets, and they wave the carrot that is Gilneas to accomplish this goal.

[@cujoedaman]

I'm truly disappointed that blizz didn't involve the night elves. I mean, they literally were the only ones that helped Gilneans escape the Forsaken and even gave them refuge in Teldrassil. I'm sure Genn would have kindly asked who was left to help and give the night elves a refuge if the sought one. It would only be fair. But what do I know? Blizz isn't exactly stellar at storytelling. I mean, how fucking long has Gnomregan been lost to the gnomes?

[@LordFakeGodz]

They're kinda busy with their own home atm, and i am sure some of the Night Elf is part of the "adventurer" and "alliance soldiers". It is more fitting for the Forsaken to have more prominent role here. The Night Elves leaders got their deserved rest in Bel'ameth, i would assume busy managing their own people to life there properly. Considering how little to no threat the scarlet crusaders are, no reason to involve the known npc there

[@YepMax]

11:54 i mean, there was quite a lot there. was there not?

[@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL]

@@LordFakeGodz It's not more fitting for the former invaders who promised to leave to have a more prominent role here than the elves that initially evacuated the people of Gilneas, and to whom Genn, against Anduin's wishes, sent his forces to support the retaking of Darkshore. That's an absurdly stupid take.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I still think they could have done better than the Scarlets for an antagonist, they hardly have any association with the Worgen except being neighbors. I think a far better story would have been that since being driven from Fenris Isle by either the Forsaken or the Scarlet Crusade, Ivar and the Bloodfangs have taken up their territory in Gilneas where they shelter in the derelict Gilneas capital and hunt the bountiful deer and feral horses of the surrounding countryside. The feral worgen may have had an alliance of convenience to fight the Forsaken but they have no loyalty to Gilneas or the Alliance, ensuring their own needs are met and wolves do not share their territory. So it is full pack on pack warfare as the Gilneans retake their lands from the Bloodfangs who laid claim to their home. It would also be a perfect way to bring the Gilneans home as lets not forget before the Cataclysm it was the feral worgen who invaded Gilneas and broke the country, so it is fitting way to bring the Gilnean story full circle; they triumphed over the beast within them and the beasts before them.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@Q_24 Irrelevant comment

[@Hauntedhighheel]

@Q_24 Yes agreed. The whole thing was unsatisfying and over in minutes. Lazy on Blizz' part.

[@blackfirefox666]

I would have preferred taking on Sylvanas loyalists that insist on staying in Gilneas or something. A direct callback to the worgen starting experience.

[@blackfirefox666]

@Q_24 Could always join the right side and do it anyway.

[@maelictyrsune]

It is because people like you know only to complain. This is because of the Midnight expansion!

[@apacalypsagon3758]

They're clearly putting too much on genn. He wanted out of the alliance because he didn't agree with the alliance even managed to put a negeglectful father spin on his relationship with tess when she barely had any screentime to begin with.

[@francescoporcari8597]

She was introduced in Legion, and barely had 2 questlines about her. They love this kind of plot device, the leverage is the sense of guilt. Just like Bolvar Fordragon and his "neglected" daugter.

[@Spidahman4283]

Thank you again for another great vid Nobbel. I am getting ready to finish this.

[@Desolaytore]

This should have happened during BFA, would have made better sense and a better enemy.

[@Xenowarrior92]

"Reclaim" is a big word...

[@partyontheobjective]

10:40 🎵 Secret tunnel! Secret tunnel! Through the mountain! Secret secret secret secret tunnel! yeah! 🎶

[@keonihaines8304]

I thought the same thing when doing the quest line. 😂

[@Drekulviin]

I wish for Blizzard to hire you for a future expansion to narrate some part of it. It would be awsome. 😊 You got me back to Wow recently and now I want to make a Worgen. 😂

[@AnnaJo2000]

Omg, I loved Grandmother Wahl! Just the scene where she pops out of nowhere in Worgen form and knocks out the Forsaken who tries to steal her cat was hilarious! 🤣 😂

[@missfortune9269]

Also 3 NPCs in Hayward Fishery (Hayward family, 2 dead).

[@kecke93]

huh? the scarlet crusade still exist? it feels like we're just bullying them now....

[@manemperorofmankind8119]

The fact that Genn is stepping down is honestly huge news, he’s been king since the very first game (no way of knowing but I’m sure) and def since the second game,

[@Evolixe]

Have to agree with a lot ot the comments down here that mention the actual storytelling/questline in the game being lackluster at best. A few quick quests slapped together to tell a story as quickly and effeciently as possible If they keep doing these this way people will never get invested

[@donjezza10]

It's almost as if they had no plans for any of the characters' storylines beyond just going after Sylvanas. Who needs drama and inner conflict, anyway.

[@maelictyrsune]

I got invested with the kaldorei heritage quest, I did with this one. It is just people like you complaining and ruining the experience for others.

[@maelictyrsune]

@@donjezza10 this storyline is well thought actually. Just because you don't see the Midnight expansion set up it doesn't mean it is not well prepared.

[@burnttoast26]

@@maelictyrsune"How dare you dislike bad writing that I like!"

[@donjezza10]

@@maelictyrsune Buddy, you really should save yourself some embarrassment and just delete your comments while you still can.

[@JaxKangaroo]

I was dissapointed by this quest, really short, lackluster antagonist and they didnt even revamp the zone at all or add anything into it except one street of npc traders. Genn also in my opinion acted totally out of character for most of it. Him handing the kingdom over to Tess after finally getting it back made me think of that toy story meme "i don't wanna play with you anymore".

[@Murphio25]

While it is a shame that more wasn't added to Gilneas and I agree with the villain they chose, I think the sentiment is nice at the very least. Maybe the devs simply wanted to move past it, and make it a done deal before moving on to other things, hopefully they will consider touching up some of the older zones again, which I think there's some hope for, with the Blood elf expansion on the horizon beyond the War within.

[@cthulwho9125]

I agree fully that it was too short and the Scarlets were kinda boring. Big disagree about the rest, especially Genn. I also imagine that Gilneas will be remade properly sometime around the start of the next expansion and added as a new capital.

[@JaxKangaroo]

@@cthulwho9125 maybe in the midnight expansion when they revamp quel’thalas it will extend down to gilneas

[@CsStoker]

I know, it was just an excuse to add more female leaders into the game

[@itsdannyhoney]

the fact that this video is longer than the actual gameplay speaks volumes...

[@Alexzander1989]

Well it’s about time we finally went back to Gilneas. I thought they’d never get around to that

[@coconutcore]

10:38 SECRET TUNNEEEEEEL! Someone had to say it.

[@CloudianMH]

I literally laughed at how shit this was in game. Fr. I WAS GOBSMACKED. it took about as long as the shit attempt at emotional family drama cutscene they put in at the end of the quest. Everything wrong with current blizzard showcased in the retaking of gilnaes. It was a joke that they even made a point of mentioning it.

[@Scarletlord]

The poor scarlet crusade, they live a waking nightmare hunted by monsters across time and kingdoms.

[@francescoporcari8597]

Yet they endure everything, they have my sympathy.

[@phnx_tom5400]

As a Human Main I would happily join the Scarlet Crusade ingame tbh

[@Resi1ience]

@@phnx_tom5400 Same. Since we killed their corrupt leaders, the only reason they're evil is because Blizzard doesn't like controversial heroes.

[@snappycenter7863]

@@Resi1ience Unless those heroes are named Sylvanas or Illidan. For some reason Blizz gives them a pass.

[@Resi1ience]

@@snappycenter7863 Sylvanas is hot and Illidan is Metzen's OC.

[@PiEiNtHeFaCe22]

Build it up like the night elves new home. Then be forgotten like silvermoon as no one will go out of their way to visit unless forced too xD

[@abyssalserpent3679]

I haven't brushed up on his lore for a while, but another interesting idea could've been for Godfrey to have faked his death after Shadowfang Keep, and built up his forces to take Gilneas for himself once the time is right.

[@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle]

Honestly Retcon or not It would be 10000x better Could even put a crazy spin and make Godfrey a forsaken worgen, turning him into the three things he hates the most all at once Worgen Forsaken Traitor

[@amitamaru]

My first WoW character was a Worgen. I don't play WoW anymore, but I'm glad to know they've got their home back.

[@user-sy7cm9qi1u]

I wonder where the scarlet crusade keeps coming from.

[@coryhafer7285]

What is the actual reason the Scarlets were in that city? Was it just because of being pushed from Silverpine? If so, where do they go now?

[@TofuofLight]

They were squatters

[@ronibopshop]

Back to Scarlet Monestary I guess

[@Resi1ience]

My guess is that they reclaimed a lot of their holdings such as the Monastery, the Palisade, and Tyr's Hand. As for where their "larger than ever" numbers came from, I'd guess it's the Scarlet Brotherhood from BFA (whose only involvement was writing propaganda pamphlets). Presumably they convinced a very large number of Alliance citizens to defect and join their lands, reforming their communities to a pre-Wrath state.

[@wizzolo]

so, we're condoning the use of blight now? cool...

[@FrVle]

The Scarlet Crusade are the Team Rocket of Azeroth

[@snappycenter7863]

Worse. Team Rocket has the excuse that writers can't kill them off cos the franchise needs to be kid-friendly. But WoW doesn't have that excuse.

[@ObsidianHawk]

You know what annoys me about all of these? During Legion if you were a rogue you worked with Tess and Lillian. Why couldn't blizz put in some special dialogue for the rogues? It's like what sword? But, instead what order hall?

[@Zarekthul]

Undead wiped gilneas. Wiped teldrassil. And are now like nah heres your land back please forgive us. I cant

[@jabbiter3575]

Honestly, the entire Desolate council, especially Calia and Lillian, make it very believable for me. They're good people who have seen past the genocidal vindication of their old Banshee Queen.

[@stormstrider1990]

This quest was shorter than expected, but by no means bad. I really liked Genn's conversation with Tess near the end. What I've always found interesting about the control of Gilneas is it's been inconsistent from the start. The Worgen starting experience ends with the Forsaken in control. During the Forsaken leveling in Silverpine Forest, there's a brief quest where you visit Gilneas, pick up the bodies of Lord Godfrey, Lord Walden, and Baron Ashbury, and leave. During that quest, we see the 7th Legion occupy the capital. Gilneas also becomes a PvP battleground. In the rogue legendary quest chain, the city is occupied by bandits led by a black dragon, one of Wrathion's targets. After that, Gilneas' state was mostly unknown, although Exploring the Eastern Kingdoms claimed it was under the Bloodfang Pack's control. At the end of Shadowlands, if you play the cleansing of Lordaeron quest as an Alliance character, Calia sends the player back to Genn with message stating she'll pull back the Forsaken from Gilneas. In this quest, the Scarlet Crusade is there, before it's finally reclaimed by Greymane. So Gilneas has been occupied by the Forsaken, the 7th Legion, bandits, the Bloodfangs, the Forsaken again, the Scarlets, until finally, it's back in Gilnean hands.

[@sushionaram]

"I wonder if those Defias fellows are still available" Oh my god. Edvin is spinning in his grave rn XD Edit: did research Its quote of Genn as champ from 2018 in HotS "Once Gilneas has been reclaimed, it will need to be rebuilt. I wonder if those Defias fellows are still available."

[@BasedHorrigan]

This is pure evil. The stonemasons were heavily fucking bullied by the Noble class of the Alliance.

[@Kallikukurinn]

As a Gilneas main, it is welcome to have one's homeland back, but it is sad how Genn has now just bitched out in favor of putting his nobody daughter in charge. I think the cinematic they went with was in bad taste and nonsensical. I really dislike the writing team and how they have been writing the characters for the past years. It does not feel like Warcraft, does not feel like the ingame universe, it fucking feels like a bad soap opera/some movie that has to have "healing and accepting" idiocy in the story. "Boohoohoo father, you always liked your son better than me, and even though you should have every right to be mourning him given how you lost him, I am still gonna bitch about you because you care so much about the dead boohoo hoo". It is not like he is the monarch who has a kingdom to run who was grooming his soon, his successor his whole life or anything. It is not like you were destined to marry off to some noble in order to strengthen alliances and such. It is not as if the kingdom fell and your father had enough shit to deal with overseeing his refugee people as well as managing a shit ton of duty towards his new status within the Alliance. Like, I understand that stupid "for modern audiences" crap means you don't want to be in connection with what things were actually like for example back in the WC2 days, but I honestly do not care about dumbass family drama where the daughter is being all butthurt when they are literally royalty. Honestly, I feel no connection to the modern writing and I don't feel it has anything to do with Warcraft. It is literally just trying to take you out of the universe to insert writers fanfic. TL;DR, still not coming back to play modern WoW, gonna stick with classic and really enjoy Cata when it releases again~

[@georgedevries3992]

I've given up on WoW altogether ever since mid-Legion. Warhammer 40K is the place to be. No bs feminist politics and good ol' fashioned faction pride and wars. This disgusting, heretical collaboration between the Horde and the Alliance. Omg, I'm gonna throw up. It fcking hurts.

[@pumirya]

Yet another underwhelming question, chain and story that feels rushed and Disney fied. I was really looking forward to this and boy did they disappoint in game.

[@TheFlyWahine]

Man its bin a long time sins we first steped into gilneas with our wargen and today we take it back. So many years ago, feels like a big moment atleast for WoW.

[@PazOfficial]

Been, since and worgen.

[@aster4jaden]

They just ruined Genn for his much better Daughter, the same way they did to poor Rastakhan. I'm glad I get my Lore from you Nobbel because I ain't playing World of Peacecraft and Feelings.

[@Preaplanes]

I hope you weren't looking for yet another Alliance vs Horde story, because those were always the most god-awful ones. World doesn't have to be at that specific war. Plenty of war potential beyond red vs blue.

[@lordoblivion8038]

Then leave if you're not into peace. Doesn't matter if the title has "Warcraft".

[@OrchinX]

@@lordoblivion8038well… yeah, that’s sort of the problem, isn’t it? People have left and are leaving. Any narrative needs conflict. The conflict now is like… I hope we can all work together better than we all already are? There’s no dramatic tension, no character development. Everyone has the same washed-out modernist values

[@lordoblivion8038]

@@OrchinX look as much as story need "conflict". Not every story need a fcking conflict to move the story forward. That's just plainly Force conflict. Not a subtle seed of discontent, doubt, rising tension and accumulated into a conflict then war. What we got right now is void vs light, Titan stuff. And even if we wanted blizz to go back the old roots of horde vs alliance story. What we got is a shtshow of BOA /Faction wars. What reason to be conflict when they're at peace? Unless you're referring to Turalyon would that sht.

[@apacalypsagon3758]

​@@lordoblivion8038 yeah but all that cosmic nonsense just flys over people's heads. And there are plenty of things to fight about especially since warcraft is inherently a race war. You telling me you wouldn't be wary of bull people who have the strength of ten men and hunchback trolls who engage in cannibalism.

[@IncenKong]

tbh. I think thats a lowpoint. The overall idea to reclaim Gilneas comes damn late but is actually a good one. But boi... what is this. There is so much stuff that makes no sence. They could done it so much better D:

[@ursusmuricanus5765]

Blizz hates wow. First they burn down teldrassil and make the night elves story about vengeance on the horde. But then they go my little pony friendship is magic and make their new home cofaction because night elves suddenly want peace. Then they fuck the entire story of the worgen and make it so that not only can they not take gilneas back alone, but they need help from the fucking forsaken of all people, Genn doesn't even lead the assault and he relinquished his kingship to his nobody daughter only to make gilneas fucking cofaction. I really wanted to come back when Chris Metzen returned, I hoped he'd make it good again, but it's just as dog shit as it was before.

[@Joe-bs6hd]

We waited over a decade... for this?

[@FenrirX]

Sadly. Yes...

[@mattemattics5667]

The gnomes are pointing and laughing

[@throwmeaname]

You make it sound like you can write something better. My guy, WoW is never that serious. If you’re looking for Game of Thrones writing, you’re looking at the wrong place lol

[@mattemattics5667]

@@throwmeaname Make it a world quest zone for the end of the expansion, then have it actually be reclaimed when War Within begins. Then it actually feels like an extended effort to reclaim the city. Boom, took me about 5 seconds.

[@throwmeaname]

@@mattemattics5667 great. But how will you allocate resources on this project, knowing that War Within is a priority? 50/50? Will you allocate 50% of your resources on this proposed Gilneas world event and risk not putting enough resources on the next expansion? Remember, you’re going to need a lot of people on QA and debugging. So not putting enough resources on War Within could result in the game being buggy / unplayable upon release. Or would you rather compromise and have most of your core staff working on War Within - and have a simple Gilneas story?

[@snazzydrew]

damn, why are these epilogue cutscenes actually kinda good while also being kinda sappy. Poor ol' Genn.

[@georgedevries3992]

Sappy and cringe, yes. Kinda good? Press X to doubt!

[@snazzydrew]

@@georgedevries3992 that's okay. You don't have to like it nor will I try to convince you to.

[@54032Zepol]

Do the people from Drustvar in Kul'Tiras have any ties with the city of Gilneas? They have some paralell themes going on.

[@bakuryukenji3802]

Kul Tirians are ex Gilneas people, that goes to the sea and found the Island

[@54032Zepol]

@@bakuryukenji3802 oohhh ok cool beans😎🫘

[@Tongobongo2034]

Wait why the hell are the forsaken using the plague again???

[@Vandel96]

Was in cata

[@snappycenter7863]

Bad writing.

[@lord_pamperin4233]

this means that we will see the island of Kezan again, since blizzard has to give the goblins their home again, so that they don't make a faction difference!

[@mykaelnyx8821]

My one question is when it comes to the war game, now that we're taking the city and it's been retaken and darnassus is been burned to the ground, where do we do the starting zone still

[@ASpaceOstrich]

I forgot how fucking terrible crowleys voice was. I feel bad for laughing at it but holy hell.

[@FenrirX]

Guy needs to stop smoking, lol.

[@jandelic1278]

Meh, i expected so much more, q line was too short and predictable. It felt like theyve said:" we need his daughter to take over, just make it quick. " As a worgen i went bk to veldrakken thinking i should prolly race change...

[@iGizmoTech]

They need to make a third faction now since the alliance and horde are basically the same faction these days. Those who disagree with the Alliance/Horde Alliance

[@FenrirX]

If only.

[@georgedevries3992]

You wish, lol. Not with modern Blizzard.

[@Christian85595]

If people remember the WoD orcs and at one point to recruit the Mag`har i believe you saw the alternate draenai behaving pretty much like scarlet (if you dont follow the light you dead), i`m curious if they will move in that direction

[@snappycenter7863]

That was also poorly written. The alternate Draenei wanting to get back at the deadly world including the Orcs who oppressed and enslaved them...and they're somehow the bad guys.

[@Christian85595]

@@snappycenter7863 nah nah, don't try that :). I remember perfectly it wasnt about "getting back at the world" and it was about "FOLLOW THE LIGHT OR ELSE" which yes, makes them the bad guys

[@snappycenter7863]

@@Christian85595 Yrel's sermon literally states how dangerous AU Draenor is, and she's right. Apart from that it's just bad writing as the Draenei literally don't bring up how AU Grom, the leader of the Iron Horde, is walking alive and unpunished among the Mag'har.

[@Christian85595]

@@snappycenter7863God damn, i`ve been outnerded. alright...

[@Dramn_]

Should've fought the crusade, feral worgen and undead

[@TofuofLight]

Man i just wanted to see Crowley cleave with his arms during the battle again

[@rodneyranch2420]

One by one going through and replacing faction leaders with girlbosses and turning their male characters into sensitive melodramatic crybabies. Look at genn in legion or even bfa, to this. Lmao

[@Goldman_90]

is it just me or genn is like 20 years younger in the tess cinematic?

[@2ndCthulhu]

The sad passages are performed so incredibly well by the VA - But outside of that, they all sound so exhausted. Like they are done working with Blizzard.

[@callummiller6599]

Incredibly lackluster quests and conclusion. They probably made a bunch of unpaid interns whip this up in a week.

[@MangoLeaf9103]

I played this quest, but was a little disappointed. Honestly, with the Scarlet Crusade now making a comeback you would think they would pose a much bigger threat with their fanaticism than before. It would become so problematic, it sjows in their destruction. When facing Fairbell, I expected her to do drastic measures like bursting out of the wondows, whiel riding on her Lightspawn Monstrosity over Gilnean, and signaling her troops to pull the most Crowley worthy move. Setting off explosives and cannons throughout the city of Gilneas, she should have yelled: "IF I CAN'T HAVE THIS CITY, THEN THE SCARLET CRUSADE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU IN ASHES! BURN, HERETICS, BURN!!" Genn, his family, and Crowley would be shocked and disgusted, and prompted to put out the fires while you, the player, mount up on our drakes and chase after the madwoman and stop her before the time limit is up. After putting the fires out, and shooting down Fairbell, she makes the final stand and called for backupto try guerilla tactics on us. Eventually, Genn and company join in to fight off Fairbell. She would continuously mock and scold the Worgen race, the royal Greymane family, the Nightelves, and Crowley for their hubris and stupidity while bearing immense light powers. Finally, we felled Fairbell and her Light monstrosity, but without bearing witness her final act of defiance. Fairbell hid a killswitch on her person, and as soon as she makes one last scathing line (to add salt to the wound): "The Scarlet Crusade...will prevail". The city is suddenly engulfed in explosions which lead in a line towards the the Greymane manor and it is destroyed completely. Leaving nothing in it's place except a gaping, smoking crater and a city that is almost salavgable. After the heartbreaking events, Gilneas was finally reclaimed albeit in pieces. Genn relinquished his role as king to his daughter, Tess, but remains in Gilneas to help with the relief effort of aiding displaced Worgen and Gilnean citizens, while aiding with the repairs to the city including the plans of building a new manor much closer to the city. An act of change that leads to solidify a closer relationship to the people of Gilneas and Worgen and Nightelvez alike. Spitball idea. What do you think Sir Nobbel? 😊

[@baileygregg6567]

Real elves are too arrogant to bond with those folk, especially half-breeds… (Blood Elves only got their pass due to Demon alternatives) I still remember the fun hunting Worgen for the PvP achievements early on. The Gilneas BG was a favorite when done proper💀🔥

[@maelictyrsune]

I am tired of people still complaining and not seeing the bigger picture.

[@Freyr-Freyr]

What do you think Vyranoth’s aspectral color is ? white? Cyan? Silver?

[@Nether-backup]

Did they change Genn's voice actor?

[@NiinaBlue]

This was my first thought as well! I mean, it's very similar, but I still think it's not the same actor 😬.

[@heroesrise2149]

The game looks cool❤ I love your accent.❤

[@bumblesock738]

Is there any word from Blizz on wether Gilneas is actually a duel faction city?

[@Storlans]

One of the worst questlines ever.... Alliance losses another cool leader for no reason and we got a new story that made no sense.

[@melkermagnusson5070]

Should have gotten Crowley as leader instead.

[@georgedevries3992]

They are replacing them with "wahmen". Steve Danuser, demands it!

[@husamabudawoud3258]

What about Liam Greymane?​@@georgedevries3992

[@michaelmajor1909]

I hope to see Celestine of the Harvest and more of the Harvest witches. I hope to see the Blackwald being used so my worgen Druid feels like he belongs somewhere

[@Joe-bs6hd]

9:24 This part made me laugh out loud, not only is the worgen heritage armor all about being told that being a worgen is a bad thing and should NOT be embraced, not only is the reclamation the most lazy piece of work blizzard has done, but now this, the forsaken throwing plague bombs at the city, just like they did when they attacked the city that drove out the gilneans in the first place. If blizzard hates worgen so much, just delete the race instead of giving us the most lazy writing imaginable. Edit: Also players play the werewolf race, to look like a werewolf, why is the heritage armor and the reclaimation of gilneas armor have us dress up as some people from 1900s england??

[@francescoporcari8597]

I do agree with everything, except the last paragraph (I don't give a damn about the armour). The victorian style was part of Gilneas graphic, sound and cultural identity since Cata.

[@FenrirX]

It's actually more that they hate old Lore and characters than Worgen themselves because it's better than what they could ever write themselves and also 'problematic' for 'modern audiences'.

[@KuddlesbergTheFirst]

What is Liam doing in the Shadowlands? Or is he reincarnated?

[@KenSachenbacher]

Could you make a video on the npcs with dialog in the Amirdrassil zone (like you mentioned the npcs in Gilneas post retaking)?

[@xhandril]

Uhhhhh..... that last sentence "I wonder the the Defias fellas are still around"...... im not so sure if they are interested in rebuilding another city for the alliance.. they seemed pretty pissed about not getting payed and then getting murdered as reward

[@22espec]

Sadly the death of Genn is coming, so many red flags has been reaised already. I hope his end is better than Tirion's

[@georgedevries3992]

You mean, Blizz replaces him with his daughter for good? Due to feminist ideology?

[@22espec]

@@georgedevries3992 Good god! Not everything is a woke or a femist plot, this is an old trope used since fantasy fiction was created.

[@georgedevries3992]

@@22espec Right. But anyways, the "femist" stuff is there, regardless. Heck, Genn did barely a thing while his daughter took the lead during the questline. Oh well, modern Blizzard doing what it does best.

[@filipfenix]

Apparently the Scarlet Crusade have aquired a couple of the Allinace cloning machines. Makes lore sence.

[@francescoporcari8597]

Is not like Horde has not something like that in its sleeves, given the rate they are replenishing their armies. Forsaken in particular should have pretty short of numbers given BFA war and the fact they can't be raising any new undead.

[@MrVlad12340]

@@francescoporcari8597 and orcs had literally 4-5 ships worth of people, and those were not some massive arcs either and now they somehow have enough orcs to spread all over the world.

[@ratboygirl]

6:16 did his voice actor change??? am i going crazy. he sounds so different to me

[@ciocolici]

this did not do justice to Gilneas. disappointing storyline. STILL... I am happy that we got something at least, and that there's a chance we will get even more stuff there.

[@georgedevries3992]

"I am happy that we got something at least" Used to think like this regarding Blizzard, back in the day. Thank the Emperor, I managed to escape.

[@EthanIngram4]

I recently just fell in love with classic all over again (I’m late to the party I know) but I couldn’t help thinking if the community got together and demanded the improvement in writing quality, quest types, real story driven class quests, fixed the economy, made the game harder and more rewarding… then greedy blizzard would surely have to take note and stop churning out shit after shit?

[@AngelusAngel1100]

By the way, the moment where Tess says for you. The subtitles should have an exclamation point, not a period. I do not know how captions on KZbin work or if you can create your own captions as the uploader. But I just wanted to let you know now.

[@StormAngelWolf]

You think the Scarlet cruciade was a challenge? I was piling up them drunken hillbillies dressed like templars on a Halloween night for like an hour out of utter spite and frustration. And now they added gigantic rats n maggots to the rodent tunnel like it's supposed to be nostalgic? More like it's fighting gigantic radioactive critters in the ruins of Chernobyl. Did the wow lore writers lose their touch it felt cheap and poorly recycled like the Communist toilet paper.

[@FenrirX]

Blizzard is dead. Been for a while. So forget about the writers, they're clueless and purposely malicious.

[@esknape]

🎵 Secret tunnellllllll, secret tunnelllllllll. 🎵

[@1musamune]

Just make sure you pay them Genn

[@CloudianMH]

Can dragonflight just end already? Put us out of this fucking misery AND FIRE THESE WRITERS.

[@Ankhtowe]

Blizzard is positively infested with they/them and it is really, really showing.

[@GazingTrandoshan]

@@Ankhtowe Literally been crap since WOD , stop injecting your own bigotry here with no basis.

[@Ankhtowe]

@@GazingTrandoshan Suffer, no one cares. Blizzard is infested with cultists and everyone knows it. Dragonflight positively drips with it and so many people are abandoning WoW due to the DIE writing that Blizzard is desperately backpedaling. You are the last gasp of a dying, failed religion.

[@FenrirX]

@@Ankhtowe Blizzard died a while ago, you're seeing Acti-Blizz in full blown Disney mode, and Microsoft is just gonna make it worse, remember that.

[@Ankhtowe]

@@FenrirX Oh I know, the cult is desperately thrashing in its death throes and is frantically trying to destroy as much as it can as a heathen sacrifice to itself before it goes.

[@Stefo717]

Can this be done as horde char as well?

[@dnah02]

Too late I stopped carrying in shadowlands

[@MStorebra]

Fun fact Nobbel : Light is not HOLY Light. Light is a source of power yes and yes it does base on conviction. Rember the pillars of what means to be a paladin? The 3rd is COMPASSION. The Scarlets have literally zero. Meaning, either we piss on the lore once again and retcon ourselves itno oblivion, or, the scarlets do NOT harness the power of Holy, just Light Are we seriously going to ignore Alleria harnessing Void and still able to love, be a mother, not being a villain? Similar to Alleria harnessing Void for good the Scarlets harness Light for bad, but its not HOLY. They are NOT paladins. Illidan is using the power of Fel as well.

[@DaWoWzer]

this was such an embarrasingly bad quest line, why the the forsaken just giving back Gilneas? why are they listening and just doing Calia's bidding as if she were queen? why are the Scarlet Crusade still around? it was a joke when they used them for undead armor quest this is an even bigger joke, jfc let them die off it's so impractical that they somehow took over Gilneas. this whole quest line was just so pathetic.

[@georgedevries3992]

Haven't you heard? Horde and Alliance are bestest of friends now. No, even better! FAMILY. DISGUSTING.

[@kaiz1845]

Eh, the Forsakens never cared about Gilneas one way or the other. It was just a job from the Warchief. It wouldn't be inconceivable to let go of that dump after they got rid of Garrosh. I feel like the Forsaken's "thing" should be reasonable cruelty. Like, experimenting on Scarlet Crusade members, blight bombing the shit out of Arthas/the Legion, etc, but not randomly attacking a city that doesn't bother us or give us any tangible profits. I think it also would've been cool for Sylvanas to res Liam as a perfect undead like herself and Nathanos. Like, give Genn his son back as a fully conscious person who isn't gross and rotten, but also make it so the old wolf has to put up with an undead, lmao.

[@husamabudawoud3258]

I am pretty inclined to go with old wolf Greymane on this view of the forsaken. I still hate the heck out of the wretched banshee queen with a dedication. Oh I hate Sylvanas wind runner so much that I even developed a very scary SV hunter combo I usually use on a floating priest or a levitating demon hunter or raid boss. The first use of that happened in the reckoning raid and it was Sylvanas screaming mid air when I first harpooned into har face, shredded her with butchery and shoved a grenade down her throat. I even have a bloody barbed meat hook dedicated to Sylvanas as the banshee carver 😂 well that and a nasty meat cleaver look. I only put them on when I'm pissed off. You see a white wolf toting a big bloody cleaver ie scyth looking pretty pissed off in the arena... Run like hell.🤣🤣🤣