HOW TO APPLY to Sydney Uni's Doctor of Medicine | Domestic & International Students

[@jesseosbourne]

UPDATE!!🚨 The 2023 Entry Admissions Guide for USyd is now out. Everything looks to have remained unchanged from last year. Check it out here: www.sydney.edu.au/courses/courses/pc/doctor-of-medicine0.html

[@Zainab-zu6tl]

Very informative, one question. in 2022 guide, wasn't the last year of undergraduate weighted more than the first years? Also, weren't the semesters of covid not calculated within the gpa? The 2023 does not mention anything about that anymore

[@kathrynholland4474]

Hi so I am year 11 this year and wondered if psychology, maths, English, health and wellbeing, and art are good enough subjects to get into Sydney University Med. I am at a small school and unfortunately Chem and biology aren't happening except if I don't online. Just want you to give me some advice on my subjects

[@jesseosbourne]

@@kathrynholland4474 Hi Kathryn, the Doctor of Medicine is a graduate entry program meaning you would have to complete at least an undergraduate degree to be eligible to apply. This is also means that high school/Year 12 results play no part in the application process (excluding some guaranteed entry schemes for a handful of spots). You can apply to the Doctor of Medicine with a degree in any field including things outside of the sciences too. Selection for USyd currently is based on completing a 3 year degree with a GPA above 5.0 (UAC), and then being ranked based on weighted GAMSAT section scores. I would recommend considering subjects that may be prerequisites for undergraduate courses you may be interested in as well as subjects that you enjoy or do well in. For biology and chemistry, weight this up against the online delivery of those subjects and whether that would suit your learning style. Biology and chemistry are helpful for GAMSAT preparation but not necessary and you can always study these at university if that was what you were interested in pursuing. Ultimately though, if your end goal is graduate entry medicine, the subjects you choose in school and your ATAR won't actually put you at any advantage or disadvantage. Best of luck!

[@aditiganguly9794]

Wow that clears up everything. Thanks again Jesse 👍

[@aditiganguly9794]

Would be great if I could get some information on how the interview process works after one clears gamsat and gets an offer for a med school. What kind of questions are asked?? Thanks 😊

[@jesseosbourne]

Fantastic! Yep, the next one will be on UniMelb and I'll work through the processes for other interviewing schools as they all have slightly different interview processes. In general though there are a few key categories of questions; Why med/why not nursing or allied health, medical ethics and professional practice, communication, decision making and critical thinking, reflective & self awareness (strengths, weaknesses, experience etc), knowledge of the healthcare system

[@aditiganguly9794]

Thanks Jesse you are a superstar 🤩

[@sepidharanji374]

Thank you so much Jesse :) It was super helpful. Now that they have cleared up the 10 years rule from previous degree, I am a bit concerned about my situation as this March GAMSAT will be the last chance for me…

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Sepid, glad it was helpful for you. Hopefully all goes well in March but there are other options to keep an older degree relevant to a later application cycle, that I don't mention in the video specifically. Applicants can complete further study in order to restart the 10 year window and this allows you to continue using an older undergraduate GPA for a further 10 years of applications. Best to check through the relevant section in the Sydney admissions guide or you could check with USyd as well to confirm this Best of luck!

[@clarisse165]

Thank you for the informative video Jesse! It has definitely clarified the whole USyd admission process which I found their document at times, didn’t necessarily address things clearly. Good luck with your application process may see you in the future haha :)

[@jesseosbourne]

Thanks Clarisse, glad it's cleared things up! Hopefully we'll see each other in MD1 next year! :)

[@furbytvtv]

This is super helpful! Thank you Jesse :)

[@jesseosbourne]

Thanks Kate! What a confusing process 😂

[@johu6930]

got into the masters of nursing program at usyd, hoping to see you in 2023!

[@jesseosbourne]

Nice, congrats!

[@Zainab-zu6tl]

Best of Luck!

[@williamatta5935]

Hi Jesse Thanks for the Medical Application Videos, I really appreciate as they are very informative to me. I was wondering if you could do a video on the CQU Bachelor of Medical Science (Pathway to Medicine) Application Process as it would be a very informative video towards me as I would like to go to that Uni and do that degree someday. Thanks mate I really appreciate it 😊

[@architasingh8106]

This one is really informative and would be helpful when we'll be applying because every informative we've got beforehand. Thank you so much :-) I only didn't understand about CSP & BMP offer. Can you please elaborate a little

[@jesseosbourne]

Awesome, this is exactly what I had hoped to achieve with it! Yep, so CSP and BMP are types of domestic places based on the way that they are funded. CSP is Commonwealth Supported Places meaning that the fee is subsidised to around $11,000 a year as opposed to the Full Fee Pricing and allows for the fees to be placed onto a HECS (student) debt. BMP places are Bonded Medical Places which are an alternative domestic place that is also subsidised the same as CSP places but on the condition that the student completes a return of service of a total duration equal to the length of their degree (so 4 years) in areas where medical practitioners are required (usually rural and remote communities). This is returned over one or multiple periods of employment in these regions in the early stages of the career after graduation. Domestic applicants are eligible for both place types, while International applicants apply for a Full Fee Place (FFP) which is the full or unsubsidised fees. There are also some differences in the way internships are allocated after graduation. Generally CSP and BMP applicants are guaranteed an internship in the same jurisdiction in which they completed their medical degree, while internships outside of that jurisdiction are less likely to be successful but can be assessed on application. FFP graduates are not guaranteed an internship within their jurisdiction. Hopefully this clears things up. It's definitely a complex system

[@reubenrobert4939]

Hey, Archita, are you an Indian or an Australian Citizen ? I'm an aspiring medical student studying in India planning to do my graduate in Australia

[@nathanhumphreys7206]

Great video! Definitely cleared things up with the new selection process at Sydney. With the UAC application, if you complete one outside the window they state for the MD would that be invalid to use when completing an MD application?

[@jesseosbourne]

Yep, that’s what it sounds like. From the timeline for 2022, the UAC window and the course application window were the same (3 may - 27/28 may) so I guess everything is done then. Seems to be because they need a UAC confirmation of your gpa with the confirmation page process

[@nathanhumphreys7206]

Thanks!

[@johu6930]

have you gotten your app results yet? hahaha I'm doing nursing school but found your videos and your fighting spirit so inspiring that i kept waiting for your good news to pop up!

[@jesseosbourne]

Nothing yet! I received a confirmation page the other week but am otherwise waiting till the 8th of Sep

[@mohammadnikmorad9295]

Great video and very informative! What books do you recommend reading for Section 1 and 2?

[@jesseosbourne]

Thanks Mohammad! I don't know if I have any recommendations specifically for Section 1 but for Section 2 I'd recommend reading other essays (non-GAMSAT ones), objective summaries of historical events followed by editorialised/opinionated pieces on the same issue, and documentaries on contemporary issues (it's an easy way to learn new stuff). I say this because I think that these are more potent than books in general. That being said, I do have a previous video with 3 recommendations of books that I didn't always read for GAMSAT specifically but found influenced by writing and ideas for Section 2. You can catch that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/imnSmJyiprOXoMU Others have highly recommended 'The Meaning of Things' by AC Grayling which I'm keen to read myself!

[@sreyap1826]

Hii great video very informative! Can you elaborate on the GPA system a little more? How is it out of 7.0 and not 10?

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Sreya! I can't say I'm an expert on these things but in terms of GPA, there are a number of different point scales that can be used (4, 5, 7 etc). For medical school applications GPAs are calculated using the 7.0 scale so GPAs based on other scales need to be converted into an equivalent 7.0 scale GPA. The GPA of individual subjects are assigned a value on this scale based on each subjects result (usually based on it being a High distinction, Distinction, Credit, Pass, Fail etc). Every medical school assigns slightly different GPA values for different % score ranges and also treat weightings differently, so it's best to consult either the GEMSAS guide for any GEMSAS schools or the university itself. USyd use UAC calculation methods which you learn a little more about here: www.uac.edu.au/future-applicants/admission-criteria/tertiary-qualifications It also has some details on how GPAs for degrees that used a different point system are treated and converted to the 7.0 scale Hopefully this clears things up a little :)

[@radimaarbieva5438]

Hi ! I will be applying as a domestic student but I am studying in Canada right now, could I sit the MCAT instead, or is that purely for international students? Also, Im a little confused about the timeline since I know the seasons in australia are flipped. If I finish my degree in may 2026 should I apply then?

[@sophiaedwards5127]

Hi Jesse, thank you so much for your videos - do you know if you apply and don’t get in, are you eligible to reapply the following year, or is it better holding off if you have a so-so gamsat?

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Sophia, yep you're still eligible to reapply in future application rounds if you aren't successful so you're better off putting in an application than not. USyd requires a QAS report for GPA calculation which needs to be completed for each separate application cycle (costs about $140). GEMSAS application fees are about $240 if you're applying to consortium schools.

[@lizetoman8014]

Hi Jesse. Your video is so helpful, thank you. I have a question for you: am I able to apply if my I completed my undergraduate degree more than 10 years ago overseas, my Masters degree also finished in 2005 but I have done a PhD and graduated just now in May 2024. Do you think I am eligible? Thank you.

[@wayne7467]

How are CSP or BMP places allocated? Do they use GAMSAT/GPA for allocations?

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Wayne, places are allocated in the order CSP > BMP > FFP (where available) for domestic applicants. This means that the overall ranking or final 'score' based on any selection criteria is used to rank applicants and the highest ranked get the CSPs, next are the BMPs and then FFPs if available until the capacity for each has been met. The bottom for each of these categories creates the place type cutoffs. For Sydney, specifically, they only rank applicants based on GAMSAT scores however they have suggested that they use a ranking system based on individual section scores. How they do that we don't know but I'm sure you're aware of the estimated (s1 + s2)*1.25 + s3 theory. Ultimately though we don't know how exactly they do this. Sydney only use GPA as a hurdle for selection and rank entirely according to their ranking of GMASAT scores. They say that where two applicants are tied for a given rank, they will use GPA as the tie breaker. Hopefully this helps

[@wayne7467]

@@jesseosbourne thanks, helpful indeed

[@henryfok5899]

Do you think the gemsas result will affect international places? I am on the waiting list as international student. Coz I think even domestic student withdraw their offer, it won’t affect international places. Or it did release some international places ? I am thinking should I keep waiting for Sydney offer.

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Henry, I'm not too knowledgable about the international pathway but from what I understand, the places are allocated based on place type so domestic places couldn't be converted to an international place. I can't confirm that but it's what it sounds like. I'd say that later round offers for international applicants would be based on any international applicants who have received a first round offer, rejecting this and either taking a subsequent offer at another uni or forfeiting their place for other reasons. It''s a bit of a pain because it means that being on the waitlist means the process is not officially "over" until the course start date. It's possibly worth trying to contact the USyd School of Medicine to confirm how later round offers work in your case as I'm no expert and this advice may not be entirely correct. Best of luck!

[@henryfok5899]

@@jesseosbourne thank you so much!

[@ZaccyPfilm]

Hi you mentioned you could apply to get sent your GPA if you pay a fee where can i find this link? thanks

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Zac, you can apply for a QAS report here: qas.uac.edu.au/qas/ You'll need to make a UAC account in order to log in and start the application. It should only take a couple days to return the GPA report to confirm your GPA for your Sydney application.

[@ZaccyPfilm]

Awesome thank you so much! Been loving the content lately keep it up! Just started studying for September Gamsat

[@jesseosbourne]

Awesome! I’ll add that the QAS report is only valid for a single application cycle so if you’re not applying for 2023 entry, I’d just use the conversion chart and calculation method provided on their website (Link in the description). But if you are applying this round the QAS report is a mandatory component and it just means unfortunately having to pay for it again if you were to be in next years application cycle as well Good luck with the September prep! I’ll have some new stuff coming soon :)

[@삡-d2c]

Hello Jesse thank you for great video !! It's ok to apply If I graduated diploma and then transfer to bachelor ?

[@jesseosbourne]

No worries. Hmm I'm not 100% sure about this so it's probably worth consulting the Sydney admissions guide. Generally speaking they require a 3 years FTE bachelors degree for eligibility so should be fine but worth checking

[@Zainab-zu6tl]

So the ISAT isn’t needed anymore ?

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Zainab, I'm not too familiar with the International student pathways so probably best to confirm this with Uni of Sydney directly

[@sarahkhan978]

Can we like do a Bachelor of Science in Sydney itself and then go for a MD in Sydney itself? ?

[@jesseosbourne]

Yes, you can apply to the MD regardless of where you completed your undergraduate degree so long as it meets eligibility requirements.

[@sarahkhan978]

@@jesseosbourne are all kinds of Bachelor in Science accepted?

[@sarahkhan978]

@@jesseosbourne like bachelor in Biomedical Science, Bachelor in Microbiology, Bachelor in Biochemistry etc.

[@jesseosbourne]

yep, any degree from any discipline including non-sciences too.

[@sarahkhan978]

@@jesseosbourne thank you so so much!

[@BAOFxDefect]

I am doing a PhD, is there any advantage to completing a PhD degree at time of application or no?

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey there, unfortunately not. Because Sydney only use GPA as a hurdle requirement and this is calculated from undergraduate studies, a current PhD completed before 1 Jan of entry year or a completed PhD can only be used to requalify an old Bachelor's degree (older than 10 years) for it's GPA to be used to meet the hurdle. The only selection criteria for Sydney is GAMSAT.

[@BAOFxDefect]

@@jesseosbourne Hi Jesse, thanks for the information. Which uni would u recommend applying for if you have an above average gamsat (like a 65) with a phd and good research experience? Is there anywhere in victoria where that would be competitive? Thanks.

[@jesseosbourne]

I can't really comment on competitiveness with much accuracy and GPA would still need to be considered as PhD's often attract a combo score bonus in most cases. In Victoria, there are only two options (Monash only accepts graduates of their Biomed degree). Deakin doesn't seem to have any provision for PhD candidates. UniMelb requires a completed PhD at time of application and may make favourable adjustments to your final GPA (as calculated from undergraduate studies) Interstate options: ANU - 4% bonus to combo score if PhD is completed prior to date of application. So this may not apply in your case Griffith - Award a 7.0 GPA for PhDs completed by 31 July in application year Macquarie - Use your PhD as a 7.0 and weight it x3 and then use your most recent two years of previous study as your final -1 and final-2 years and wright them x2 and x1 respectively. PhD needs to be completed at time of application. UNDS/UNDF - Award bonus points on the Notre Dame portfolio for PhDs completed by 31 July of application year UQ - Award a 7.0 GPA for completed PhDs at time of application UWA - Award 7.0 GPA for PhDs completed at time of application UoW - I don't think they have any provisions for PhDs but you could possibly include it in the portfolio. Flinders - PhDs are not taken into consideration Hope this helps!

[@aaonetiauli3307]

can you do james cook university, please?

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Aaone, I will be doing a smaller series on the MBBS programs. Just working through the research on them first as it's not a pathway that I'm familiar with yet

[@Zainab-zu6tl]

When would we need to submit, personal statement, resume, etc?

[@jesseosbourne]

Hey Zainab, domestic applications for 2023 entry open 26 April 2022 and close 9 June 2022. Personal statements are only required for applicants to the Dubbo Stream and are submitted as part of the online application process. The 2023 entry admissions guide has just been released where you can find more about the process. Best of luck!! www.sydney.edu.au/courses/courses/pc/doctor-of-medicine0.html

[@rosario7491]

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[@sholotanomotayo1092]

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[@arminadouzandeh5859]

can you only apply to 3 medical schools?

[@jesseosbourne]

Nope! You're free to apply to any and all medical schools that you meet the minimum requirements for, in a given application cycle :)

[@johnny_phouc_21]

Jeez some ego you got there wide eyes.