How to Challenge An Alimony Award in a Divorce

[@gvrpresentsbearwilliams]

There is a lot of great information to glean here. But the courts are stacked against the supporting party pure and simple.

[@TedTalksBass]

You couldn’t pay me to get married again

[@cybco]

Amen

[@proph9916]

Facts

[@brightlotus7824]

Heck NO!

[@bencheadles8429]

No person, man or woman, deserves pennant alimony. Alimony and child support amounts are extreme over-calculations by the family court system. Get out there and work. If you don’t want to be with a high income earner anymore, then you do not deserve that lifestyle.

[@Tiggerpepper]

ben cheadles they keep doing this to have a job and keep the courts their lawyers and Judge in the pay checks every opposite has one rich / poor mean / nice crook / honest unemployed / employed

[@mishapravdov1732]

Ben cheadles, absolutely agree with you.

[@ericrogers8386]

Both sides are passionate. BUT I've never seen anyone contradict a judge. DONT GET MARRIED!

[@donhenhawke3385]

Wait a minute...I thought we are all equal???...no hear me roar here!

[@arodriguez9636]

simple solution, BE SINGLE ALL YOUR LIFE

[@elainenilsson5472]

Not a problem until you get someone pregnant. Then you have to take responsibility. What is it with men who think of everything but the consequences?

[@bee_finally_306]

​@@elainenilsson5472Nilsson Members of both sexes frequently ignore consequences. Regardless, this video is about alimony - not child support.

[@elainenilsson5472]

@@bee_finally_306 Yes, I hear ya but you only want the benefits of marriage without the responsibility.

[@mfit7110]

@@elainenilsson5472you give the dumbest answer ever. Getting somebody pregnant is not inevitable.

[@barrybleich3455]

I wish I stayed single my life would have been so much better I would have moved to Florida would not be living in Pennsylvania I'm a truck driver probably would have had a house in the beach and I would have a normal life we're I wouldn't be fighting with people on my days off that's what I do now don't want to be around my house if I'm not fighting with my kids and fight with my wife I don't want to be around my house anymore it's nothing but a heartache.

[@showbrasil1995]

What was the resolution? I don't understand why a woman with a masters degree cannot support herself. It is obvious that this alimony is retaliation because he filed for divorce. His lawyer was very good, she seemed to be more knowledgeable than the judges. By the way, we don't need to be mathematicians to calculate how much money is needed to pay certain expenses, any 4th grader can do that.

[@elainenilsson5472]

Because 20 years later she already has a career and you don't know the facts of the divorce. She sacrificed her career to further his. His job is an asset that has to be divided. Was it a fault divorce? We are only getting the $$ side of this case.

[@LemonyFresh2000]

@@elainenilsson5472 even if it is a fault divorce, what right does she have to leech off of him for the rest of his life until a lawyer can convince a judge that she needs to stop taking money out of (now strictly past the division of property in the divorce) his bank account? 4 years is enough time to get recertified as a teacher and start working. She has a masters in teaching, she could most likely get a job as a college professor within the next 5-7 years past her certification, which has 29k for low end teacher, high is 62k, and for professors the low end is 38k and high end being 168k, which if this is a bell curve of payment, that's moving from a probable 45.5k a year job to a 103k a year job with room for increased pay. No, it wouldn't be easy to do, but it's the same as if she was working instead of staying at home, which is the point. That is a career, which if she is to support herself as a full grown adult she would need to do. Is it expected that she is going to stay at home forever after the children leave? If so then that's a fault of her own and not of the husband's regardless of fault in divorce. He has a job as IT and is able to support her living in a house and for himself to live in a trailer (as stated when the husband's lawyer first came up). How is it fair to the ex spouse that is working and making the money for it to be taken away for the rest of his working career simply because him and his wife stopped being married? Imagine the scenario being flipped, which it has been before, and unless the woman was a multi millionaire the husband got nothing besides a divide of assets. I can't think of a continuous "spousal support" for a stay at home dad. It's a split of property and you walk your separate ways. Hell, in some of these cases he is told to get a job and pay child support well more than he ever made. I don't see how continuous spousal support is even a thing in this day and age where women are getting 80% of the college degrees and mandates are being set into place for companies to have women in positions of power in companies that haven't proven themselves to be there besides having a vagina. Companies are purposefully hiring more women than men simply so that they can claim a pr point in their books and not having the women compete in the same way for a job as men are. How are we going to fix this? Stop giving women special treatment and make things equal? No no no, then you hate women because you're not giving them opportunities over men. Because nothing says equality like forcing one side to pay the other regardless and having the side being paid out given opportunities that the other side would have to kill themselves in order to prove themselves to get. Sounds pretty damn equal to me.

[@LemonyFresh2000]

@@elainenilsson5472 by the way, yes I am commenting on a comment made a year ago, do I care? No, because these points stand today even more than they did when you made this comment. Hope this helped put these issues into the perspective of a first wave feminist man, back when feminism stood for equality of opportunity and not equality of who's winning the rat race that everyone is killing themselves to get to the end of. The law shoots men in the foot and then tells them to get to the end of the race by a certain time frame else they'll shoot the other foot. And we wonder why divorced men have such a high suicide rate.

[@LemonyFresh2000]

@@elainenilsson5472 Won't let me share a link to a divorced men's suicide rates page from 2019 but will let me curse? Appernelty giving facts on men's suicide rates is worse than cursing now.

[@LemonyFresh2000]

Psychology Today has a page talking on suicide rates in divorced men called: Divorce Is a Risk Factor for Suicide, Especially for Men

[@hboy63]

She's got a bachelor and masters degree. The judges should order her to go back to work and quit being a burden. It's her obligation to take care of herself. The judges heard testimony that she did not want to work as,a teacher. You know in life you might not like a lot of things you have to do, but you do it. Judgment for the petitioner..Respondent go get a fukn job. We all make sacrifices and I'm sure you can put those degrees that your husband paid for to good use!

[@melodylalala6586]

100% agree!

[@elainenilsson5472]

she's too old. She isn't employable because they wont view her as an investment to train in a job

[@elainenilsson5472]

@Patricia d'Assier Exactly. I had just finished my first job and was moving on to another after spending 10 years in school and working to get this job when he decided that marriage was a better route and we could follow his career path. 20 years later while we are planning to retire, he gets a girlfriend and decides to retire without me knowing it. Except I did know it, lol...and thus the game began. Oh yeah, these guys just want to bolt with their high paying jobs, benefit packages, etc. How selfish. Better to find out now than when we are bed ridden.

[@hboy63]

@Patricia d'Assier She's not disabled, she's lazy. Kids are adults and gone. He paid for her education - Bachelor and Masters. Send her to Vocational Evaluation and make her get a job. She's entitled to part of his retirement per Qaudro, but if she needs more then she needs to utilize her skills, determined by the Vocational expert. How do you know what the husband did or didn't do? She's just lazy and vindictive! She had 4 years of alimony and during that time didn't make any effort to improve herself. Her kids were in college ! That is just a woman with vengeance!

[@freudianslip2192]

@@elainenilsson5472shes in her 40’s

[@the_dwight_way]

They tried so hard just giver her money instead of holding her accountable for being an adult and providing for her own life. Reasons not to ever get married.

[@SpencerFcp]

Why you always get a prenup. They aren't just for rich people, anyone can get one and they do amazing things. Any woman who gets upset over the idea of her signing a prenup is not someone you want to married. Think about it, would "YOU" get upset if a woman asked you sign a prenup? Probably not. Some women need to know they have some form of recourse to fuck you over if you ever slight them. Hard to tell in some, but suggesting a prenup is a surefire way to bring out that personality trait if it exists.

[@arodriguez9636]

Prenup, unfortunately a judge could ignore it in some cases

[@elainenilsson5472]

@@arodriguez9636 You are right

[@barrybleich3455]

My brother-in-law told me you get freed up I never did my wife threatens me with s*** all the time this pitch hasn't worked for at least 13 years of the marriage I've been with her almost 23 years married she's a free louder turned my kids against me 21 + 19 don't even talk to me anymore I'm thinking about moving to Florida just disappearing my dad bought a place down there is retirement place he put me on the deed for his place I can go anywhere in the the field that I'm in.

[@sonicblue6775]

I'm in the exact and situation. What should do. Pay her off and make it final payment in life.

[@bookofkatherine]

Wooooow - this trial court judge was just so biased. I'm impressed with council. She's handling it very well - the appellate judges are more emotional than she is! :)

[@douglaconti7113]

How about equality like all the feminists wants? How about she goes and gets a job and leaves son alone why is she entitled to one nickel of what he earns because she ran up his credit cards getting nail extensions and God knows what else? Tell the b**** to get a job

[@jackmiller6554]

Alimony is legal pr0stituti0n.

[@patrickhall6627]

Forced labor has another name, my friend.

[@bookofkatherine]

Yup... and there it is... "the judge tipped his hand when he said quote "the court finds the wife can do better""- with no expert testimony!!!! What a COMPLETE contrast this case is to the last case on Alimony I just watched: "Almony in a Divorce Case*" kzbin.info/www/bejne/anKQiHutZbqklbM

[@elainenilsson5472]

You missing the difference. In the other appeal the woman had worked in her field for 20 years making $100,000 per year while her husband at most earned $80,000/year. Big difference. In this case the husband is expecting his wife to go back into the employment field after being out of it for 20 years. Her career was caring for family and supporting husband's career.

[@stang1977]

This is why men should not marry. What a scam. I wonder who filed for divorce. I wonder if she stayed home on her own accord regardless of how her husband felt.

[@LP-qc6rd]

Husband filed for divorce

[@melanierose9015]

My husband won't work or keep a job. I can't afford to divorce him because I can't afford childcare, child support and alimony. I can't even afford our monthly bills which is why I work 2 jobs.

[@melanierose9015]

@@athletetic unfortunately 10 months later, yes. He does drive for Uber eats now so I guess that's an improvement.

[@AmusingMichele]

well!!! How did it end? What did the judges decide?

[@elainenilsson5472]

29:31, No go, no changes, permanent means just that. The alimony is to bring her up as close as they can to his income because she sacrificed her career to further his over a long period of time. Now that he wants a divorce he wants to take his $70K per year and run, leaving her at barely above poverty. She not only got the 48 months but will most likely get life.

[@SimonKnight1023]

@@elainenilsson5472 I just don’t understand why men get married.

[@elainenilsson5472]

@@SimonKnight1023 Because they want the same things that women want, someone to love and to hold, cherish until death do them part. Then they become complacent, unevenly yoked and one up. As a result all hell breaks loose.

[@SimonKnight1023]

@@elainenilsson5472 But there are women who’ll provide that for years without a ring. And if men are going to become complacent anyway they can just move onto the next relationship when things grow stale or too serious.

[@elainenilsson5472]

@@SimonKnight1023 That's just it, if that is what you want, power to you but some prefer a commitment.

[@douglaconti7113]

These women and lawyers make me puke....

[@Tiggerpepper]

Lord protect a alimony payer provide kindness in the heart of that person Nobody deserves this people that allow this should die

[@iquitnow]

Wow these judges are beyond wrong. He is just making his own facts

[@CA-oe3sr]

Judges seem to confused about basic information.

[@PrettyFourU1]

alimony works for the parent whos been home taking care of children raising them feeding them bathing them schooling them cleaning the house washing clothes preparing meals morning noon and night grocery shopping all the while the other parent works and puts work first financially responsible for the entire household and the reason for the divorce is 9 times out of 10 that parent is having an extramarital affair thats were the alimony comes in

[@robertmccabe2993]

Wow that one Judge has made up his mind b4 its all said and done that she deserves Lifetime Alimony unreal what a Jerk and thats why she would not work getting that alimony

[@Tiggerpepper]

Robert McCabe very true

[@chrisredding6034]

At some point you stand up and say “sir she has a masters degree in a field that is literally begging for new teachers”

[@lorderectus1849]

Simple don’t get involved, any form of protection including prenups can be broken by the court!

[@sergiomiranda1497]

After watching this video all i can say is that I need a drink.

[@johnmerton3630]

if 22 years is not long term -what is 40 years?

[@johnmerton3630]

@TheMrMarple I think you misunderstood what I said -I absolutely hate how the courts are bias against men -I have been through it here in Australia.I don't remember why i put up that post but i assure you it wasn't to back women.

[@laurenfurst9255]

Right, I would like to have you contact me

[@billrussell7672]

Exersize in the futility of perfecting the law while pandering to the grace of the acceptance of the public. The law is evil

[@andrewvangils3112]

There is no reason on God’s green earth that permanent alimony should ever be awarded to a man or woman. When you divorce someone, you don’t divorce everything but their wallet.

[@JohnSmith-el6lk]

I totally agree. I'm a victim or lifetime alimony, and my new wife is sick of it as am I .

[@cardsfanlv9371]

Permanent alimony is the biggest crock of bullshit, putting aside cases of permanent disability. At some point we all need to be responsible for ourselves.

[@elainenilsson5472]

That point was when you became an adult and took an oath to be loyal to one other person.

[@cardsfanlv9371]

@@elainenilsson5472 get a job

[@elainenilsson5472]

@@cardsfanlv9371 I have a job. How about you get some morals. Get some commitment. How about you not take any vows since you can't keep them. How about it?

[@GreyAsura-r2e]

@@elainenilsson5472 It doesn't matter who cheats in the relationship the one who provides (which is always men) has to pay the alimony.

[@elainenilsson5472]

@@GreyAsura-r2e Not true

[@tonydryden5277]

Holy crap she's good. .

[@wanderlostrvr2582]

Important: fast forward to 42:29

[@berengereful]

Big talk and a lot of paperwork. In the meantime , who is paying ?

[@royallamoniquecosmicheavye4456]

Can y'all recertify that

[@santiagor1970]

And this is why I get divorced in The Dominican Republic!

[@robertmaria6777]

What state is this? I need an fair NY state divorce lawyer court favors my spouse bc he’s dumped thousands on his lawyer while I’m poor they are letting his own lying lawyer discover only assets ik about they won’t discover him fully when it’s proven he’s hiding more since separation in order to be dumping thousands onto an lawyer court attorney been all unfair to me the wife spouse

[@julieweilch4315]

How young is the respondent? Even with a PH is difficult to go back in the market after so many years.

[@hunterscrackdealer6650]

Not with women being hired over qualified men.

[@Wildchile]

If he avoided marriage, how would he ever be able to convince his housecleaner/nanny to work for free for so long? That’s the only loophole

[@davidzaiser9929]

She probably ate bon bons and sat on the couch in between shopping sprees.

[@dianemcdonnell1055]

Are you kidding me I've been married for 40 yrs I was a stay home mom. I'm worth at least 60 thousand not including sex widows. Eat bon bons.

[@beachside1]

240p we meet again

[@reddmann4340]

She needs to get a freaking Job.

[@BELLUS-p4h]

I like this Judge...

[@cpvsgvmnt2116]

anna castra I bet.. hypergamy is a woman’s nature..

[@assilnezami8250]

let me clarify something, 22 years of marriage is not long.

[@dianaevans7102]

Anything over 20 is considered long!!!

[@LP-qc6rd]

Yea

[@davidzaiser9929]

Permanent could be even longer.

[@e.e.harrison1357]

22 years with someone you couldn't bear to be with after seven years is a long marriage. Staying in it for the sake of children for an additional 8 years makes it even worse. The children never appreciate the sacrifice. Get out before 7 years or you're doomed to paying alimony to a lazy fat-body that feels entitled and enabled by our family courts. Family law in the USA is destroying the institution of marriage.

[@norbertbajgyik1607]

In cali is 15

[@luanntexascitizen4345]

After 20 years, its not easy to go back to teaching. It would mean going back to college and getting recertified. Then a period of job hunting. The wife deserves more alimony.

[@robertmccabe2993]

you have to be kidding me 4 yrs and you think thats not enough no young ones either wow

[@stang1977]

Oh boo hoo. It's hard to go back work. It's so hard to be a woman. I need a mans money.

[@douglaconti7113]

You know what? Women want equality I say give it to them I say she gets nothing and goes out on the street instead of the man going to debtors prison

[@hboy63]

Who says she has to teach? Go get a job bagging groceries. A few days of that shit and guarantee she'll be looking for a better paying job - something she'll put that degree to use. Doesn't the court see she's just being lazy and making excuses so she'll be paid for doing nothing. Vindictive asshole!

[@Tiggerpepper]

Luann Combs she don’t deserve nothing

[@bookofkatherine]

3:00 mins in and you already know the trial judge needed to recuse himself. Wow. Clearly he had a problem with wives getting alimony at all... no spreadsheet!?!?

[@wolfgang548]

How about all the men's lives that have been destroyed by their wives getting alimony for the rest of their lives? All the men who lost their homes that THEY worked for and she gets to keep while moving another man in and the ex has to live in a run down furnished room in a boarding house because he can't afford to live better since he has to pay her for the rest of his life while she gets to live like a queen. When such cases favor the woman, no one bats an eyelash. When it's the other way around, all hell breaks loose. Well, feminism said they would fight for equality. Women said they want equality. Equality is served. That's why men all over the world are dropping out of marrying and going MGTOW.

[@douglaconti7113]

How about equal rights for all? How about the woman goes out and get a job instead of the man going to debtors prison? Of course not that would piss off all the feminists