How to Compose a Simple Fugue in the Style of J.S. Bach

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@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
If you’d like to watch the video in parts: Intro: 00:00 The Exposition: 00:34 The Subject: 01:04 The Answer: 05:47 The Development: 14:01 The Recapitulation: 24:48 Coda: 27:45 The Complete Fugue: 29:30
@trialanderror9004
@trialanderror9004 Жыл бұрын
Please, PLEASE, don't stop making these videos. They are unbelievable helpful.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! I’m glad you’re finding them helpful. Hopefully I will have time for more soon 👍
@christopherdew2355
@christopherdew2355 Жыл бұрын
At least a semester of lessons in 30 minutes! I found myself having to teach fugue to 2nd year students about 35 year ago, so found this a wonderful (and quite taxing!) revision! Of course in those days we had to 'compose' in front of students on chalk boards!!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Christopher ☺️ Glad I’ve never had to do that! 😂
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 2 жыл бұрын
Prout's textbooks(treatises) are an incredible, widely available, lost treasure.
@francomantovani1685
@francomantovani1685 26 күн бұрын
Super, incredible, fantastic. I have never heard such a clear and complete explanation. Congratulations. Bravissimo !
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 25 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot! Appreciate it 😊🙏
@maxjohn6012
@maxjohn6012 Жыл бұрын
I'm shocked by how much information you crammed into that - it was so compact, yet thorough and accessible. I had a few counterpoint lessons a couple of years ago, which fizzled out after I started writing a fugue - I'm feeling motivated to have a crack at it again, using the subject I'd written (which I think fits the criteria), and following the structure you've laid out here to follow Bach (contrapunctus 1 is one of my absolute favourites so that's only more motivation). Many thanks!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Good luck with the fugue 😊👍
@RinzePrins
@RinzePrins 2 ай бұрын
Hope you came around to doing this John!
@maxjohn6012
@maxjohn6012 2 ай бұрын
​@@RinzePrins You know I dare say I tried, but didn't succeed and inevitably got distracted by other projects! Ironically, I've just started two weeks of holiday which I've ear-marked for intensive composition, and the main motivation for that was successfully navigating an exposition from a random fragment I found in one of my notebooks. Just kind of went in blind and got something going and it worked - that's a first for me and has always been a stumbling block in the past. *Perfect* timing to get a notification on this video though, as a refresher on structure, elegance and generally being succinct :)
@RinzePrins
@RinzePrins 2 ай бұрын
@@maxjohn6012 that's great man! Good luck and enjoy!!
@lucaparacchini7610
@lucaparacchini7610 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, I didn’t know your channel, I found it for your video about Liszt Sonata; then I watched the one about Wanderer and so on all the others: I confess I really loved them, I couldn’t help but be glued to the screen, mesmerised by your professional, deep and detailed analysis. Unfortunately I’m not a musicologist or even a composer, I’ve just been playing the piano for many years, but not in a conservatory, so I’m truly fascinated by music analysis and I’d love to learn more from you, I deeply esteem your passion and your works. Now, I know this could be a lot more complicated, but I’d love to watch your analysis of Rach 3, even of the first movement. I hope you keep making these videos, because they are really amazing!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words ☺️ I love Rach 3, so maybe one day!
@MarRecusable
@MarRecusable 2 ай бұрын
Finally, I think I found my place in the Internet for musicians. Ty
@RinzePrins
@RinzePrins 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video, I thoroughly enjoy how you can unravel the fuegal mysteries whilst not spoiling any of its magic. 10/10
@churnyeechong2427
@churnyeechong2427 8 ай бұрын
Big thanks for this channel! I've learned a lot as a beginner.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 8 ай бұрын
Great to hear! ☺️
@carminedisa
@carminedisa Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I've ever found on KZbin, and I love the fugue you wrote!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that’s good to hear! Thanks ☺️
@caterscarrots3407
@caterscarrots3407 2 жыл бұрын
By the way, after hearing people talk about how the fugue has an exposition, development, and recapitulation, I can't help but think of it as kind of like a hybrid of the canon and the sonata, imitative like a canon, but with the modulations, development, and recapitulation of the sonata.
@LeojTeduacHPiecesprorgue
@LeojTeduacHPiecesprorgue 11 ай бұрын
This is the best video on the subject!!!!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! 😊
@waiminkhant6022
@waiminkhant6022 7 ай бұрын
You have the best explanation to how to write a fugue without making it sounds difficult.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate it 👍
@tuanpiccusgaming3555
@tuanpiccusgaming3555 8 ай бұрын
If someone played this, I would have thought Bach had written it. It is very well written. Ever since I was a teenager, I have loved the form of fugue in music and even attempted to compose a couple of fugues (terrible ones) myself. This video explains a lot about how they are stuck together. Should I pick up my pencil again?
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 8 ай бұрын
Yes! Time to get writing again! 👍
@benlizon
@benlizon 2 жыл бұрын
so funny that the day after i was rewatching a bunch of your older videos that you put out a new one. glad to see it!!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Benus! Hope you enjoy it 😊
@darb.musica
@darb.musica Жыл бұрын
Amazing! excellent explanation, and the fugue sounds very nice. Kudos
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Darío! ☺️
@dannuttle9005
@dannuttle9005 7 ай бұрын
I understood fairly well at the start, then got lost in details. But I now know more about the fugue than I did before.
@zacharybjurstrom7132
@zacharybjurstrom7132 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos! Hope you are able to continue making this content! It is very useful to composers trying to learn
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Zachary! Appreciate it. Glad you’re finding them useful 👍
@ВадимПоляков-т4ш
@ВадимПоляков-т4ш Жыл бұрын
It's so god damn amazing! You are the Greatest music teacher anyone could have!!❤❤
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! 😊
@mobtek
@mobtek 3 ай бұрын
This is great! I've been reading through MacFarren's 1886 Counterpoint (I just like the way he goes through it but definitely going to look at Prout now!). This allowed me to start working on a simple Fugue and this gave me an easy in, very accessible, many thanks :)
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 3 ай бұрын
Great to hear! I’m not familiar with MacFarren. Will check it out 👍
@pedrod.7576
@pedrod.7576 9 ай бұрын
What a well thought out video. Thanks for sharing!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@albarylaibida1214
@albarylaibida1214 Жыл бұрын
I was eagerly awaiting this video. Bravissimo! 👏👏👏
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! Hope you found it useful 👍
@caterscarrots3407
@caterscarrots3407 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't even watched it and I can tell it's going to be great. I've tried over a dozen times to write a fugue and I think I finally have an exposition I'm happy with. But then I run into the whole maze of "What am I going to do for the episodes?" and "What key do I want this next subject entry in?" And then of course, there's the matter of "Can I use stretto in this fugue at all?" I know stretto is getting outside of the definition of simple fugue, but still, I like to see if I can use stretto. That's why I'm currently writing a comprehensive Stretto Table for my fugue subject, countersubject, and their tonal versions. Basically what I'm doing here is I'm copying over the first melody of the stretto(let's say it's the subject). And then I select another melody(let's say it's the subject again cause I want to do a stretto at the octave(It just so happens that my subject does better with strettos like subject against subject than subject against answer)) and copy it over to wherever I see it can start with a consonance, with 2 little caveats, those being: 1) If just one note in both melodies overlaps, it doesn't count, I need a minimum of 2 notes overlapping(for my countersubject, that's 1 beat, for my subject, it's 2 beats) 2) Since I didn't design the melodies with close stretto in mind, I just don't bother with entries 1 beat apart or less. And I will do this for every possible permutation of subject, answer, countersubject, and tonal countersubject + variants like retrograde, augmented, inverted etc. for 2 voices. Then I'll take what works for 2 voices and repeat the process with a third voice. Then I'll take what works for 3 voices and repeat the process again with a fourth voice. After that, I figure anything that has worked thus far should work with even more melody entries. Then I'll take the working strettos and actually test them out on the piano to see if I can play them, since this is a keyboard fugue I'm writing. And then I should be good to go, I can use the countersubject strettos as episode material and the subject strettos for subject entries. Wish me luck on this fugue, hopefully I can actually finish this one instead of stopping at the exposition like what has happened with my previous fugue attempts.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck with it! 👍
@adamtullymusic
@adamtullymusic 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I took notes and I'm going to sit down and try and create one on my one using these guidelines.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic! ☺️
@adamtullymusic
@adamtullymusic 4 ай бұрын
@@trocomposition4216 I finished! I did a lot of copying of schema and modeling after your and Bach's material, and I annotated the whole thing to remember what I did. This is by far my best result so far. Thank you for this excellent video.
@hugoclarke3284
@hugoclarke3284 11 ай бұрын
After modelling a few more simple fugues on Bach in this manner, the trick then is to get creative and let your mind take you where it will. That's the only way to truly write a Bach fugue.
@margaret6625
@margaret6625 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Tom. Loved it. So pleased to see a new video.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, ‘Margaret’ 😆
@harmonicamick908
@harmonicamick908 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for such an informative, brilliant video. As with other videos on music theory that I have found, I expect that yours will save many people a great deal of time when trying to understand the often dense and, in my view, overly verbose explanations given in so many text books. If one subject needs the kind of treatment given here, it surely must be the fugue.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful ☺️
@raycasbierd
@raycasbierd 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to make your videos really appreciate it, it was like watching you realise a Niedt version of the original fantastic!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ray! I appreciate it 👍
@paulwl3159
@paulwl3159 5 ай бұрын
A really great video packed with lots of practical information. Demystified a fascinating subject (no pun intended). But a “simple” fugue? I think not !
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 5 ай бұрын
😂 Thanks!
@Sr.Rakthai
@Sr.Rakthai Жыл бұрын
Thanks, it is very helpful. I would like to view your approach with a stretto setting.
@vyrixxa
@vyrixxa 11 ай бұрын
Amazing! Thank you so much!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 11 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! ☺️
@SillyWillyFan47
@SillyWillyFan47 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Wish I could have seen this as a student at school.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
It’s never too late! 👍
@ros8737
@ros8737 10 ай бұрын
Great comment and reply!
@LeoHeath
@LeoHeath 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent explanation and a beautiful fugue. Bravo!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Leo. Really enjoyed writing it!
@Lavaevocool
@Lavaevocool 2 жыл бұрын
This is great, thanks
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Hope you find it useful 👍
@churnyeechong2427
@churnyeechong2427 8 ай бұрын
Useful video. But would be more helpful if you teach us HOW to construct countersubjects, episodes and transitions after the subject; WHY and HOW they need to be written in certain ways or intervals to conserve the harmonies of all the voices.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! Maybe a good subject for another video 👍
@harryk4840
@harryk4840 Жыл бұрын
Un tema demasiado interesante
@davidgerowmusicchannel
@davidgerowmusicchannel Жыл бұрын
love it
@shawncharton9416
@shawncharton9416 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! ☺️
@athishayjain.m.k9257
@athishayjain.m.k9257 7 ай бұрын
Lovely ❤❤❤
@jcr3500
@jcr3500 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@passionyu1309
@passionyu1309 8 ай бұрын
Great!
@rasputin1917
@rasputin1917 3 ай бұрын
12:11 In Bar 8 soprano and alto do not merge into one voice. The soprano clearly stays in the tied E from the previous bar and the alto enters with an A minim at bar 8. No merging.
@schrysafis
@schrysafis Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to write a fugue with a similar theme I came up with based on Contrapunctus XI of The Art of Fugue ? The harmony is a bit hard I did 2 solutions right after the theme introduction. I would like to know if you could have some genius ideas.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Hi! Contrapunctus XI? You obviously enjoy a challenge! 😳😆 I won’t have time for that sadly but I wish you the best of luck with it 💪👍
@MarRecusable
@MarRecusable 2 ай бұрын
Something about shreding please!
@gevenliu1931
@gevenliu1931 2 жыл бұрын
Ich bin so lang nicht bei dir g’west!))
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Genau! Mein Tagesjob ist leider beschäftigt…🙄
@AaronAndrewHunt
@AaronAndrewHunt 11 ай бұрын
A student of mine directed me to your video, asking my opinion, so I've taken a look, and if you don't mind, I'd like to give you some constructive feedback. Firstly, making a video as you've done takes a very long time and represents a huge amount of work. Your presentation is mostly quite clear, so in that regard, well done! The title of your video might be better "How *I composed* a work ..." as your method obviously isn't the only option, but I understand you want to attract as many viewers as possible. In terms of your composition being "in the style of Bach", you've done well to model your piece after his, but there are some obvious issues, mostly to do with playability, but also in the counterpoint itself, which keep your work from being stylistically on target. Bach avoids hand stretches larger than a 9th, allows minor 10ths only very occasionally. You've written not only many awkward 10ths in each hand, but also entirely unplayable passages (measures 36 and 38). Bach doesn't require the hands to leap awkwardly as you've written in measure 30. There are other clumsy moments here and there throughout, mostly to do with doublings and suspensions. Otherwise it's not bad. If you'd like to try to better approach Bach's style, I've made a list of things you will want to improve: m.7 LH 10ths m.9 root pos. dim. with an accented tritone m.13 alto enters on a unison (the D is already sounding in the tenor) m.15 awkward bass leap on the 8th to a doubled LT, bare tritone m.18 RH 10ths, ornamented 4th on the tenor when the same note is sustained in the bass m.20 doubled 3rd, m6 suspended against root position triad (5th normally wouldn't be there) m.30 RH 10ths, awkward leaping hands, awkward leap to root position diminished triad on beat 4 m.31 suspended 4th over resolved 3rd, beat 2 clumsy 8th (simply add a 16th) m.32 same clumsy 8th m.35 beat 3 harmony unclear (too much is suspended) m.36 is unplayable m.37 A and Eb would not both suspend here; either Eb resolves to D or A resolves to G, this measure is nearly unplayable (extremely awkward) m.38 another suspended 4th over resolved 3rd, then 10ths in both hands, beat 3 is unplayable m.40 RH 10th m.41 LH 10th m.43 clumsy 16ths rhythm, 10ths in both hands m.44 unnecessary rest on 4 in tenor m.45 the major arrival is too clean (Bach usually used an augmented harmony), the alto wouldn't repeat the LT m.46 soprano shouldn't step up to a bare 5th on beat 3 There are other issues in your video: 4:43 similar motion to a 5th in two parts in the first bar, implied similar motion to an octave in the second bar 1:13 Your claim that the AoF "was intended as a pedagogical aid" is pure speculation; ... 1:25 likewise your ideas about "what Bach is telling us" with the first fugue of the AoF. The bit about the subject not needing to work in stretto or be invertible with a countersubject seems from one angle logical enough, but is a bit ironic given that the AoF subject does all those things better than any other fugue subject in history. 7:20 Regarding the tonal answer: other cases are more complex, this one is simpler than you've presented it: the dominant note in the subject changes to the tonic note in the answer. That's all! I could go on, but the remaining points are minor. In any case, I'm happy to see you making the effort to do something like this, and I hope you'll consider addressing the above issues! Best Regards, AAH
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 11 ай бұрын
Hi Aaron. Thanks for taking the time to bring your expertise to this! I really appreciate it. Looking forward to going through all these points in detail after the holidays ☺️👍
@ros8737
@ros8737 10 ай бұрын
Don’t worry. There’s nothing wrong with the title. The composition is a list of examples of important components and is audibly pleasant enough. Any remarks on playability are wasted as a fugue could be written for a quartet even if a simple piano sound is chosen for a clean demonstration purpose. AAH excessive input displays the very reason for why few people even bother with the fugue, while this video is inspiring and will have me start right away. Well done!
@konst1887
@konst1887 10 ай бұрын
It might not be playable on harpsichord but I would like to give it a try on the organ. I will send you the audio if I can manage to do so :)
@jonorgames6596
@jonorgames6596 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I am probably alone, but sense the ending chord should be something else, like it ought to end on G major? :)
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 4 ай бұрын
You’re welcome! And you’re not alone 👍 It’s often the case with Tierce de picardie (for me at least), although in this example and in Bach’s original I personally hear more of G minor because of the B flats and the prior hints of G minor noted in the video.
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 2 жыл бұрын
21:59 that's not a compound melody, that's a two voice counterpoint within the tenor
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 2 жыл бұрын
Also the tierce de picardie at the end puts too much emphasis on G minor, and it honestly seems to have just ended on a half cadence.
@aeroslothy
@aeroslothy 9 ай бұрын
Subscribed! Would you please cover an analysis on Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto? Thanks!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 9 ай бұрын
Will put it on the list! 👍
@waszil
@waszil 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Really nice to be able to follow the whole process! One small thing, that you let the music go on while explaining, it is a bit bothering (for me). Maybe silence would be better :) Thanks anyways, really good video!
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the useful feedback! 😊👍
@lemonadeglass6161
@lemonadeglass6161 26 күн бұрын
10:18 made my brain explode, how do i know where i am harmonically:?
@BANERJEEWB
@BANERJEEWB 25 күн бұрын
Use a pen and paper
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 23 күн бұрын
Hi! It’s a good question because knowing where we are harmonically is fundamental to writing fugue. However, I don’t personally think fugue is an ideal context for learning harmony. Probably the best place to start for that is the Bach chorales because the harmony is laid out more or less in block chords, which makes it easier to follow. Once we can follow the harmony of a chorale, it becomes easier to see how the same harmonic structures underlie fugue.
@donaldaxel
@donaldaxel Жыл бұрын
This is how lectures at Music Theory at university and Music-Schools should be presented, clear, easy, keep it simple. I need to read the subtitles [cc] along with watching and listening, and it is sadly obvious how unclear pronunciation results in unbearable errors in the transcript. It is possible to correct transcript, and perhaps a student would help doing that at some time. The video is too valuable to suffer from such minor inconveniences.
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! I need to start giving more attention to subtitles 👍
@juwonnnnn
@juwonnnnn 3 ай бұрын
👏
@robflores5172
@robflores5172 2 ай бұрын
Do you have a way of contacting you? Do you give private lessons?
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 2 ай бұрын
Hi, Rob. I don’t give private lessons, I’m afraid, sorry. Best wishes!
@jamesmitchell6925
@jamesmitchell6925 8 ай бұрын
10:22 measure 4 “IV dorian” doesn’t have a major third (F#). I think you mean mixolydian.
@jamesmitchell6925
@jamesmitchell6925 8 ай бұрын
Mix flat six?
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 8 ай бұрын
Hi James. Thanks for watching! Remember the Answer is schematised in A minor here, so the F# is the 6th in A Dorian and chord IV is Major (derived from A Dorian) rather than the more common minor iv (derived from harmonic minor). There are plenty of other ways of schematising it, but this section of the video was focusing on the contrast in key between Subject and Answer, so this analysis focuses on that element.
@Souls_p_
@Souls_p_ Жыл бұрын
Is that Pianoteq?
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
It is! 👍
@HumbleNewMusic
@HumbleNewMusic 2 ай бұрын
👍🙂
@pabloziffer
@pabloziffer 10 ай бұрын
link to video of analysis 1 is not working what happened? thanks
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 9 ай бұрын
Hi! I’ve made the analysis of Contrapunctus I private as I want to make a couple of edits, but as I haven’t had time yet I’ll make it public again for a while 👍
@hz3701
@hz3701 7 ай бұрын
Your background has a slight flicker that triggers seizures, but the content is great
@canman5060
@canman5060 Жыл бұрын
Simple is not simple at all !
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
Very true! 😆
@blacksky492
@blacksky492 Жыл бұрын
#confused
@lucianomichelle2517
@lucianomichelle2517 2 жыл бұрын
𝕡𝐫o𝕄o𝔰𝓶 🙂
@eduardvanvliet
@eduardvanvliet Жыл бұрын
this fugue is not correct though
@LearnCompositionOnline
@LearnCompositionOnline Жыл бұрын
Why?
@canman5060
@canman5060 Жыл бұрын
This is not 'simple' at all !
@trocomposition4216
@trocomposition4216 Жыл бұрын
😂 ‘Simple’ in the technical sense, but no fugue is easy, sadly!
@Charlie-xx2wj
@Charlie-xx2wj 9 күн бұрын
A tedious explanation.
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