How to convert the energy supply towards renewables? | DW News

[@jptrainor]

The report left out Germany's mining and consumption if lignite coal, which increased when Germany phased out nuclear. As a result, Germany increased their domestic coal consumption and now imports nuclear produced energy from France, in a classic display of hypocritical nimby-ism.

[@Soordhin]

Funny though, Germany is actually the biggest electricity exporter by value worldwide, not domestic value, but money paid for exported electricity. And of course it imports a lot less from france than it exports as well. That said, Nuclear energy has not been phased out yet, it is in the progress of being phased out for the next 18 months. And at the same time coal has been reduced as well, although much slower than it has to be to keep up with the Paris climate targets. Instead natural gas has increased, as has the use of renewables, now making up roughly 50% of the electricity mix.

[@jptrainor]

@@Soordhin I didn't know they exported too. How is the exported electricity produced? If it's even possible to break down.

[@meerkathero6032]

Germany and Frace are both the biggest exporters in Europe, sometimes Germany is exporting more electric energy, sometimes it is France. Even in 2019, Germany exported 10% of the elctric energy produced.

[@meerkathero6032]

@@jptrainor " I didn't know they exported too. How is the exported electricity produced? If it's even possible to break down." Check Fraunhofer energy charts, click on Energy - Import and Export

[@joaomelo7018]

"I don't have the money to invest in climate neutral production facility" he says, as he speaks in front of a kandinsky and van gogh worth a couple million

[@michaeldunham3385]

so you're an art expert who can tell the difference between a copy and an original just by seeing them in a KZbin video

[@joaomelo7018]

No one has a humidity controlled room and a waterproof frame for a copy, genius.

[@joaomelo7018]

@@michaeldunham3385 the Kandinsky might be a copy since it's out there in the open but the other paintings literally have background info next to them. You're just being intentionally thick.

[@michaeldunham3385]

@@joaomelo7018 no I just look at things logically and there's nothing logical about having such paintings at a production facility.... so they're obviously copies

[@joaomelo7018]

@@michaeldunham3385 So you've never been in a factory office? I know factory owners that keep medieval swords in there. Where management stays in a factory is always miles of luxury from the production line. Do you have any life experience? And to answer your question I'm an Electrical engineer who's installed climate control systems in museums on more than one occasion. Which is what that guy has in that room. There's no need to have that level of humidity control just to keep your office cool from furnaces, that's stuff to protect high value items. But hey, you're clearly an expert in it eh?

[@ryanrhodes3909]

Mark my words a few years now Germany will wish they never closed any of their non-CO2 a meeting nuclear power plants that made cheap reliable electricity

[@johnhopkins6260]

were the investments in "green energy" (the production of the the requisite infrastructure is by no means "carbon Neutral") made for safe, reliable nuclear power... *FIFTY YEARS AGO* humanity may not be facing this disaster.... the Chevy EV-1 (of 30 years ago) is yet another classic example.

[@DanielBrklyn]

The chemical production company uses as much energy in a day as a four households use in a year. At the end of the report the reporter says to decrease energy prices they can start producing renewable energy themselves by installing solar panels on the roof. How large of a roof do they have where they can produce so much energy on site?

[@meerkathero6032]

Let's do the maths ;) and consider that the illustration example used by the journalist is somehow within the real life range: Approximately 4.000 kWh per year is the consumption of an average 4 person household in Germany, multiplied by 365 days = 1.460.000 kWh. A 2 MW solar PV power plant can produce that amount of electric energy at Hamburg, the roof area needed would be around 10.000 m² to accomodate 2 MW solar. Not much for an industrial company. The company has around 8.000 m² roof on several buldings at their location Lauenburg Elbe and hundreds of hectars cheap pasture land around the industrial area is available too (for the case that the roof can't carry solar). The energy would be much cheaper from solar compared to the energy tariff mentioned in the video. It would be an easy task for Mr. Worlee to cover the energy needs of his company with an own solar PV, if he would have that intention. German manager love to waste their time moaning and airing theier frustrations and forgetting in the process to think about how they can improve their bussines.

[@DanielBrklyn]

@@meerkathero6032 Researching online I am getting the rule of thumb that you need 4 acres for every 1MW of solar PV power. So it would be 8 acres for 2 MW. 8 acres equals 32,375 square meters. Where did you get the 10,000 square meter amount?

[@meerkathero6032]

@@DanielBrklyn The maths are one thing but the really important topic is the mindset of Mr. Worlee, who inherited the 160 years old company. He waste his time moaning and airing his frustrations about the energy prices and forgetting in the process to think about how he can improve bussines. It would be an advantage for the company to make use of the cheapest energy sources in Germany, which are at the moment wind and solar. Next to the main factory is abundance of cheap pasture land which can be utilized. Now the maths. Your calculation is absolutely correct for a ground mounted installation. The situation is different on a roof, because the PV modules are usually installed paralell to the roof, means the gaps between PV module rows needed for a ground mounted installation are not required for a roof paralell installation. One need 5-7 m² space (depends on the efficiency of the PV module) for one kWp power. I considered the high efficient modules. 2.000 kWp * 5m²/kWp = 10.000 m². I had a look on the homepage of Worlee Chemicals and read their sustainability report. The figure of the electric energy consumption mentioned in the video is a little bit low. The total consumption of the company (all branches) was 9,3 GWh in 2019 according to Worlee's sustainability report. To cover that consumption a 12 MW PV installation would be needed. Ok, such roofspace they likely do not have, even all roofs combined will not be enough. However, 18 heactars for a ground mounted PV is still reasonable and not a big thing. For such a PV power plant the LCOE is around 5 Cent/kWh, compared to the average electricity price for industry of 10 Cent/kWh. A good portion of the load during day could be directly covered by cheap solar, the rest and during night would come from the grid.

[@brunohill3229]

Perhaps he can use more efficient plate heat exchangers, newer more efficient pump motors. heat pumps for cooling, recover the heat from the used cooling water. I am sure he could even get a government grant to do these things, even though he can probably afford it himself and it will actually make him money in the long term.

[@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596]

For those who blame China and India, let's see what the data says... Cumulative amount of carbon dioxide since 1750: India 47 billion tons Japan 64 billion tons UK 77 billion tons China 200 billion tons USA 400 billion tons The USA has emitted more carbon dioxide than India, Japan, the UK, and China combined. Per capita carbon dioxide emissions: India. 1.8 tons UK. 6 tons China. 6.7 tons Japan. 8.7 tons USA. 16.3 tons The average American emits over 8 times the amount of carbon dioxide than the average Indian, over twice the amount of carbon dioxide than the average British or Chinese person, and just under twice the amount as the average Japanese person. Figures in metric tons and based upon data from 2017.

[@lhmsc]

Billionaire businessmen: "If you lower the taxes we'll have more money to invest more in renewable energy". Yeah of course you will.

[@jptrainor]

Lower taxes yes, and please subsidize my shiny new high performance EV. Thanks!

[@Jay121]

Wake up, we still need the rich billionaires because who is going to pay the engineers to design the so called renewable future? Right now nuclear power is the best option for replacing energy dense coal. Look at a pie graph 📊 once in a while. It ins t about uour lifestyle conveniences. Heavy industry gobbles up power so we can have things like cement.

[@optimusprime699]

Without them type of people we would still be in the stone ages.

[@appleslover]

*"bUt WhAt AbOuT cHiNa aNd ThE tHirD wHoRld?!"* Australian prime minister's response to how should Australia react to the climate disaster awaiting.

[@RuleofFive]

Yes he's horrible.

[@Ikbeneengeit]

Australia has one of the highest per capita emissions in the world, Scotty just wants to make sure his coal friends get their money at the cost of the earth.

[@donkykon2094]

scomo is a tool

[@TeddyKrimsony]

what's worse is that most of China's emissions are to produce products that the west consume so the primary end user is western countries

[@gamingtonight1526]

Just heard, that in 1990 81% of our energy was fossil fuels. 20 years later, in 2019 it's still 81%. The U.N. also says it expects we will use 2% more fossil fuels each year for at least 10 years! Lastly, fossil fuel companies get 300 times the subsidizes of clean energy companies. We are standing still, so dealing with the climate crisis is miniscule in my book.

[@javanava8925]

I watched before some similar video. That is true what you said but percentage would be higher if developed countries wouldn't invest so much in green technologies.

[@velocecarriola9214]

Biggest hurdles are government corruption within all nations, also governments not representing it's nations people, rather corporate elite.

[@johnhopkins6260]

"government corruption" is a cheap mantra; try the hypocrisy of "free market economics" To wit: General Motors cannibalizing their EV-1... 30 years ago.

[@Nikkuuu69]

Nuclear is safer than coal powered plants, and is definitely the way to bridge the gap until something like fusion power becomes a thing.

[@optimusprime699]

Fusion will not work. I used to work at Culham science centre and that is exactly what we have been working on. There are HUGE gaps in the engineering and material science of fusion which realistically do not seem to be possible to fill. I am now working with Aqelix and they are working on a 100% green system which uses water that is self contained. The energy system can be installed anywhere there is commercial land available, it is SUPER exciting.

[@btccoins5514]

to those who works in Fossil industries, you GOT to give the working people an option to find another job with financial support from the gov't.

[@stauffap]

That's the kind of coverage that make people afraid of the energy transition. And it this topic didn't have to be framed this way. It could have been framed another way. Very disappointing. Lets make people afraid of a necessary, unavoidable transition, instead of presenting solutions to the problems. Horrible coverage!

[@cstonemma]

how does burning plastic in 'protest' help the environment?

[@obsidianstatue]

That's like questioning the ethics of a protester that cut their finger to protest against a mass shooting.

[@cstonemma]

@@obsidianstatue or protesting an offshore oil rig that is being serviced near the shoreline in kayaks and canoes made from petroleum product.

[@BobQuigley]

Reverse the poorly enacted nuke power plant shutdown. Recognize that fossil fuels MUST rise in price

[@amongallothers]

You don't have to worry about a damn thing until you see the rich start sacrificing their lifestyles. If you don't see that just continue to do what you do.

[@TeddyKrimsony]

*The EU should sanction Australia, they have very vast sunny locations they could easily transition to thermal and/or photovoltaic solar energy.

[@johnhopkins6260]

That is beside the point; Australian Coal production is not limited to "national consumption" their massive sales to China/internationally keeps local coal consumption prices well below global average (Poland is notoriously similar within the EU) Russian gas notwithstanding.

[@tomkelly8827]

Australia has high coal consumption and high energy prices, how does that work? I recon some solar thermal towers with molten salt batterier like in USA, Spain and Morocco would help. They can be backed up with coal, garbage or natural gas incineration if that is needed too

[@vthilton]

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[@antman7673]

Producing green energy themselves is a good idea, because production of products can be linked to the generation of energy. Little more sun ☀️ and wind 💨 => e.g. more bricks 🧱

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[@Interglacial_optimist]

Emissions have been rising since emissions started centuries ago Aerosol masking... Look it up

[@thinkabout602]

We are kidding ourselves if we think we have more than 10 years on the trajectory that is going on now. 🌷☮🌺

[@bobman929]

But no one will vote for political parties that would do anything about it . They will just vote back in the same parties who have ignored the problem for the last 50 years

[@lloydjones3371]

And here they are talking about companies installing solar in Germany in the dead of winter. Ha Ha Ha

[@xandervk2371]

I suggest that DW reduce power consumption by cutting on broadcast air time! Then again, even excessive talking by itself produces a lot of hot air!

[@sixvee5147]

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[@jamesli7709]

Nuclear is the way to go: zero emissions, nuclear waste output is tiny and very manageable with no risk to the environment, newer power plant designs are much safer than those built in the previous century. Nuclear is very viable solution. France gets most of its energy from it already.

[@rogerrodgersen7702]

Yep, I’m taking down the 20 solar panels and planting trees for heating. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Trendigthings]

Australia, west and china must be ashamed for their crimes and must take Responsibilities.

[@Daniel92CZ]

Nuclear energy is the only solutions here, wind turbines or solar panels are too much unreliable and weak compare the coal or nuclear power plant. With the rising demand for electric power for all the cars, factories and homes, the wind turbines wont be able to power all of that at all.

[@ItIsGonnaGetWayWorse]

aka, more tax payer money for corporations to make "green" products in not-so-green cheap labor pollution factories

[@AlaaMahmoudAl44]

Thorium reactors ftw

[@airobot4088]

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[@sohistoriatriste9428]

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[@joshspry1]

Happy extinction people

[@davidrussell8927]

There is no known theoretically or demonstrably possible way that atmospheric CO2 could measurably influence temperatures near Earth's surface.

[@DOWNUNDER.]

And as far as pollution is concerned Australia produces 1.3 % of the per annum world's co2 output. In other words china produces in 16 days what Australia produces in a year. So the china controlled UN can stick its sino centric IPCC report,

[@joaomelo7018]

China also has 60 times the population of Australia. Hardly a one to one comparison to use cumulative numbers instead of per capita figures. Absolute dunce.

[@DOWNUNDER.]

I wonder why those who beat the drum of climate change doom never target a chinese embassy, after all china is the biggest polluter in the world and the fact they have 1.4 billion people doesn't forgive them for the piles of raw sewage they dump at sea ,the piles can be seen from space, or until they were caught charged countries for recycling plastics then just dump those plastics in the ocean. Could the reason that climate change activists refuse to call out China is they don't want to lose their undeclared donations

[@joaomelo7018]

@@DOWNUNDER. No one is refusing to call out China, simply ridiculous to compare a country with twice the population of the entire European Union to a country with less than the population of France, whose main trade partner is who? China. Want to stop China? Is that really your biggest concern? Stop sending them mountains of coal every day.

[@DOWNUNDER.]

@@joaomelo7018 oh BS, the chinese embassy is 700 meters away from Australia's parliament house, why couldn't they walk down the road and splash the chinese embassy with red paint. I can tell you why -- chinese funded hypocrites

[@Ikbeneengeit]

@@DOWNUNDER. do it yourself then! Call the Chinese embassy or write them a letter. Nobody is stopping you. Whattaboutism is helping nobody. We are all gonna suffer in the coming decades.

[@BUSeixas11]

You need CLEAN energy (i.e., carbon-free), not renewable energy. This means building more nuclear reactors

[@TheRichLA]

Dang Aussies! 😂

[@markgarin6355]

There are so many things wrong with assuming all of this is mankind's doing.

[@joaomelo7018]

Not all of this. If you read the report you would know that models put natural warming at roughly 0.2 degrees above industrial levels by taking into account the warming since 1700 in the Fahrenheit era vs. 1880 which saw less than 0.2 degrees average increase in that era, since then we have risen to 1.2 degrees from pre-industrial era ie. 90+% the fault of man-made activity, in conservative modelling.

[@markgarin6355]

@@joaomelo7018 if it was all that simple...random volcanic activity effects green house gases more than mankind ever could. Solar activity/cyclical sun spots effects the earth. Certainly mankind is impacting pollution, over harvesting of resources to some extent....but when Coca Cola and Budweiser and the amount of CO2 released daily alone is challenged....I'll think folks are using this For anything but a retarded means to impact US operations. Oh....and guess all them forest fires better get put out fast....all that CO2.

[@joaomelo7018]

@@markgarin6355 Did you read the IPCC report? Or any of the reports? The policy advice version isn't even 20 pages long.

[@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596]

We need to invest in renewable energy sources, nuclear power plants, and battery technology. There needs to be a worldwide carbon tax, with the money invested in renewable energy sources and nuclear power plants.