How to drain and refill ZF 9 speed transmission fluid on 2018-2019Honda Odyssey, pilot, and Acura

2018 Honda Odyssey LX with 9 speed transmission ZF.

[@chrisryan8863]

This is a well done video. However, I had a caution to you and all the viewers. The infrared thermometer you are using will read about 15-20 degrees warmer on the outside of the transmission pan than the fluid inside the pan is. I know this because I have used both the thermometer you used and I have a scan tool that reads the actual ATF fluid that is inside. And the readings were substantially different. So the outside metal of the pan will read hotter than the fluid is on the inside (which means you need to have your gun read 15-20 degrees higher than the target temp before you drain it).

[@brazenbunnies]

I watched a number of videos for this transmission. Yours is the best.

[@kylelucastran]

Thanks, let’s share with everyone when you have some good stuffs.

[@billd3692]

I've changed my fluid twice on my 2015 Acura TLX with the 9 speed transmission. I just drain the fluid with the Transmission and fluid at room temp. I measure what came out and I put in the exact same amount which is also at room temperature. My transmission runs great. By the way the first time I changed it at 60K miles, it was filthy so I changed it again at 65K and the fluid looked better. I plan on doing it again at 75K. I used Acura fluid 3.1 I bought on line. You can buy 4 quarts of this fluid for about $100 if you buy it on line. You use about 3.5 quarts for each change. On my 2015 Acura TLX I reused the drain plug because it was in excellent shape. The drain plug has a rubber gasket and as long as that looks good I'll continue to reuse it.

[@Annie26722]

congratulations on changing your own fluid :) my concern is how do you know the old fluid is at the right level

[@kylelucastran]

@@Annie26722 sorry, did not see your comment. You need to warm up your fluid to 109 to 115 degree F, then open the level check plug on the side to check the level. I addressed in the video.

[@GlenWahl]

Thank you for the impressive level of detail. You left me confident that I can do this operation in my garage and KNOW that it was being done well and save the bucks the stealership would charge for doing this.

[@kylelucastran]

You are welcome Glen, cheers.

[@chetegge5195]

Thanks for this great explanation and directions! Made the job easy, I did use an 8mm HEX instead of 5/16, but other than that everything was exactly as you said. You saved me $300 over the Honda dealer!

[@kylelucastran]

You are welcome. My car is around 65k miles with no issue. I plan to replace the fluid again around 70k, but if you keep replace it around 30 to 40k miles will be great.

[@pengtengwong]

This is what we need, there is no clip for this transmission self service at home and dealer want to charge $300 plus for every 30k miles. Awesome

[@davegibson8463]

I was just quoted 487.00 from Lyndsay Honda - last Honda for me!

[@FKKDeadmau5]

It recommended every 60k and I'm not sure the car should be running when checking the level

[@Jaredbar]

@@FKKDeadmau5it should be checked while running yes

[@normleblanc2001]

Great video with sufficient information. Saved me about $350 versus using Honda Service Dept. Thank you!!!

[@miguelrivero7067]

Nice work! A recommendation, the temperature you are looking for is from 104F to 115F but you need a Scanner tool that can read transmission temperature to be accurate for the level. The temperature gun is reading the outside temperature not the inside where the temp. sensor is. 😉👍🏼 But thank you for helping the DIY community👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@kylelucastran]

Miguel Rivero, yes the scanner tool will tell you exact temp like 104 degree or else when you needed, the thermometer still can give you the temperatures in the correct range before open up the level check then check on the fluid coming out from the transmission also. That is why the transmission with level check stick has range from cold to hot. Thanks for recommendation.

[@relentlesschaos95]

All you need is a cheap OBD2 Bluetooth plug and a good app on your phone and you can read the transmission temperature easy ~$30 usd

[@brazenbunnies]

I bought a $35 dollar scanner tool, but there is no option for transmission temperature.

[@MSeanM]

⁠@@brazenbunnies I know it’s a late reply, but I can read mine under “live data” with an autel scantool. Hope you were able to figure it out!

[@mannya.2039]

@@MSeanM hi what model autel scanner did you use? Plan on doing mine soon

[@Annie26722]

Thank you for posting this! I have searched the internet for awhile, so far this is actually the only one I found that shows the actual work is done

[@kylelucastran]

Shane, you are welcome. Happy to discuss.

[@SuperPabster]

Good instructions. The 10 speed transmission requires Honda Type 2. You can get this at the dealer.

[@kylelucastran]

10 speed transmission is easy and cheaper to maintain and smoother when it shift.

[@gregcrabb3497]

It's worth repeating....ALWAYS get the FILL plug out FIRST! You don't want to drain it only to find you can't get the fill plug out. Also, the plugs are in so tight the soft aluminum plugs may just round out (mine did) and i had to get an extractor set. They should have used steel plugs.

[@kylelucastran]

Agree, that is why I mentioned it at min 1:20 Thanks

[@felicelgato59]

I'm flushing the transmission fluid on my 2019 Honda odyssey touring. They told me 200 dollars, and only let them do it because it still under warranty, thanks for the video, I'm sure I'll do it myself next time

[@kylelucastran]

It is a very good deal. But you have to make sure that is the real deal because I had the same experience when I called the dealership to change the fluid out, first they told me around $150 at first but when they found out that my 2018 has the 9 speed, the price went up to $330.

[@kylelucastran]

Please let us know if you pay $200 for the service. People on my channel would like to know that too. Honda might change the price for this service because there are a lot of complaints about this transmission.

[@felicelgato59]

I paid 215.00 dollars at my dealership in Oklahoma, that's before taxes

[@felicelgato59]

My van has the 10 speed transmission not the 9 speed, not sure if it matters 🤔

[@kylelucastran]

@@felicelgato59 10 speed is easy to maintain, I thought only 2019 elite has 10speed not touring. Now, all model have 10speed. So you have a good transmission.👍

[@njackson3148]

Thank you for this video. I'm sure it will help lots of people. I know it helped me

[@kylelucastran]

You are welcome Nathan. Glad you find it is helpful.

[@nounoukerdjadj910]

Explain well, there is only the temperature but if you have a manometer on the meter it would have been easy to 90 ° for the overflow, anyway you did a good job.

[@scdevon]

If you measure the amount of fluid drained precisely and replace it with that amount exactly (equal temps-overnight cold is easiest) it's impossible to mess this up especially if there are zero external transmission leaks to account for. $300 / $400 / $500 for the dealer to do this is insane. An external heat measuring gun works "good enough", too. Rolling fluid changes done frequently are the only way to go on these. Never let a quick-lube joint "flush" these transmissions.

[@relentlesschaos95]

All you need is a cheap OBD2 Bluetooth plug and a good app on your phone and you can read the transmission temperature easy ~$30 usd

[@joseo.cordero7286]

@@relentlesschaos95 Which app reads trans temp? I have Torque (Lite) on Android and it does not have trans temperature reading. It does have collant temp reading.

[@vnmonkey68]

I just did the fluid change followed your clip, thank you, but in my opinion, you don’t need that extra 1/2 qt. Because after I finish run around the neighborhood warm up the transmission, then unscrew the side plug to let extra fluid come out. And there are more than 1/2 qt come out.

[@kylelucastran]

Good, making sure the temperature in the checking range when you open the side plug.

[@vnmonkey68]

@@kylelucastran oh trust me. It’s hot since I drove for 30 min

[@kylelucastran]

@@vnmonkey68 did you check the temp range from 104 to 115 before you open the side plug? When it is too hot the fluid expand and if the side plug open it would overflow. Then when the fluid cooling down you would not have the corrected amount of fluid.

[@kylelucastran]

Did you have a good deal on fluid? Please Let people know where to get it. Thanks

[@richardclark4610]

Drain trans til it stops running out. Refill with 3.6 liters of type 3.1 Honda ATF DONE! Just did mine and completed a 3500 mile trip since....NO problems! Be advised the 3.1 ATF COST is $33 per LITER!!

[@flyingjeff1984]

Lifeguard 9 is the same fluid as Honda 3.x (which is currently unobtainium.) Get this: The machined surface is so flat that the drain plug doesn't use a crush washer or an o ring!

[@kstatinet-wk2gh]

i have 2019 exl w/zf 9. first of all thank you very much for helping DYI'ers like me. I still undecided on doing drain & refill myself or outsourcing this to the dealership that priced that before tax at $340. I have tried to find atf 3.1 (acura or honda) at reasonable price, but couldn't. It's still kinda expensive. 4qts come around $120 online or $132 from the dealership. Then you might need to buy atf screw plug at $25 for the total of $150.... but let say i try it (did flush on accord & our 06 ody before), i still few questions for you on the procedure: 1. According to Honda instructions, you need to enter in VSM maintenance mode to perform this flush. I don't think you have covered that. I'm not sure what the steps are specifically for this gen of Odys. 2. i have used previously Autel MaxiAP AP200 OBD2 Scanner Bluetooth that you can measure tran temp - though, i'm not sure if it supports new gen of Hondas. 3. My understanding you bought atf screw plug, but used the original one? Is that correct?

[@kylelucastran]

I got 3.1 4 quarts with plug around $100. They will put into service mode because they want to change through gear and bring up temperature but you don’t really need it, fluid will go through transmission, sometimes they need to put on service mode to perform brake job. My 2018 ody does not have the option to put in service mode. If you have the scanner that can read transmission temperature would be great. If you want to do it yourself, remember level your van and measure how much you drain out and how much you put in. Try to replace the fluid regularly you will be fine.

[@kylelucastran]

I forgot to mention that, they put in service mode to perform the relearn the transmission shifting.

[@kstatinet-wk2gh]

@@kylelucastran Thank you so much!! This is very helpful. You got a subscriber :-)

[@kylelucastran]

@@kstatinet-wk2gh let’s us know how it goes.

[@HandFromCoffin]

Great detail. I did this once already on my older Honda Odyssey. It's odd to see my new 2019 Odyssey has the same fill, drain and level check points even though it's a totally different trans.

[@HandFromCoffin]

Sorry meant to add. Does anyone know when the filter should be replaced in the trans?

[@kylelucastran]

@@HandFromCoffin that is a big job to replace the filter. If you drain and refill with fluid. You can ask the mechanic to do this service with the timing belt at around 95 to 110k miles depends on how hard you drive the van.

[@MichaelRistau]

@@HandFromCoffin No filter on 2019 Odyssey trans

[@ahidalgo4]

Nice job. I will try this on my Acura MDX with ZF9 trans. Dealer wanted $330 then later changed to $900. Ridiculous.

[@kylelucastran]

Al Hidalgo, I heard a lot of stories about this certain transmission acting bad after the services, that is why I want to perform this job by me😁. I like to maintain our family cars by me most of the times. Remember don’t contaminate the new fluid and keep everything clean and make sure you use the corrected fluid. Have fun!

[@ahidalgo4]

@@kylelucastran at $30 a bottle, you can bet no drop will spilled and operation will be like in the operating room. The dealer service rep initially told me that it's just going to be drain and fill. I mentioned about the need to get the fluid temperature and that's when price went up. I don't trust them to do this. I'm monitoring you tube for more tips.

[@soulfly6698]

Appreciate your videos, I'm a newbie when it comes to oil changes. Just a small query, is using idemitsu atf appropriate? Dealer hit me with a $575 bill. Cheers!

[@FherTigre]

at the end beer time very helpful video thank you

[@fu4383]

thank you for sharing i learned a lot

[@davewildeboer1254]

Great video and very thorough. How do you feel about using oil from MotoSel ATF Z1 for Honda 3.0 and 3.1?

[@kylelucastran]

I will use Honda ATF 3.1, it is expensive but 100% guaranteed that we don’t mess it up. We don’t want to mix two type of brand together even they are same grade. Just 100% sure.

[@richardcurry3648]

Awesome job. Thanks so much for the information. 👍

[@kylelucastran]

You are welcome.

[@mikesmith4552]

Hi Tkz for the video I just did my Honda odyssey transmission fluid change today tkz again Dealer wants $600 after tax

[@kylelucastran]

Mike, $600 is way overpriced for aHonda. My wife 2010 Mercedes GLK 350’s transmission fluid and filter change include dropping the pan is asked for $650 from Mercedes dealer. Glad and happy for u👌

[@Bluewater-42]

Awesome...Thank you for posting this video!

[@kylelucastran]

You are welcome, watch the video that I just posted not long ago to how reset the transmission too. Cheer

[@rigobertogervacio223]

Great video

[@greenjondear]

Well done video. I have a couple of questions. How did you make sure your Odyssey was level (per spec. sheet for changing the fluid?) I placed the front of my Pilot on jack stands (rotor apprx. 10 1/2 inches above ground) and removed the leveling plug first.....to determine if I wasn't level....and at least a quart of fluid came out. I don't think I could have been that unlevel...but am concerned about my refill and sequence for warming fluid and again removing level plug. ) (I read somewhere that it may be possible factory overfilled....but that seems like quite unlikely) Thinking of adding back same amount I removed and completing the gear shift sequence without opening level plug again. (Pilot had sat in garage 2 days without running so fluid was at room temp) Any suggestions? Thank you again for great instructional video.

[@kylelucastran]

You need to level out, I jacked up the whole car then making sure it is level out

[@scsolo9666]

Hi Kyle - You didn't have to put the vehicle in VSA maintenance mode to cycle thru the gears?

[@kylelucastran]

You don’t have to because it would recycle through transmission when you drive it. We just drain some of the fluid out of the transmission not all of it.

[@scsolo9666]

@@kylelucastran Thanks so much. I have a 2019 Odyssey EXL with 50k but the maintenance reminder for the transmission hasn't came up yet. Should I wait for it to come up before replacing the fluid?

[@kylelucastran]

@@scsolo9666 check with the dealership, I think your van also has 9 speed transmission and it requires replace transmission fluid around 30k miles and depends on how hard you drive. You could extend it a little bit longer but check with the dealership.

[@atifkhalid9655]

Hi Kyle, How is your transmission shifting from first to second gear (our Odyssey has a very sluggish shift from a stop). Did you manage to have transmission software updated?

[@kylelucastran]

My is fine, you can bring it to the dealership for them to reset it.

[@Shmity1962]

I heard you have to put the vehicle in maintenance mode? Is that just a safety feature or ?

[@kylelucastran]

That is from the shop when they use fancy computer to check for temp, we don’t need to do that at home. Basically, the fluid falls into ranges of temp and level, it will be ok.

[@user-jh1vj2et6z]

Thanks for this video. When you idling at each drive mode(R, N, D) after filling the fluid, all wheels were lifted?

[@kylelucastran]

You don’t have to lift all wheels. I lift them up to make sure the car is leveled.

[@user-jh1vj2et6z]

@@kylelucastran Thank you.

[@kylelucastran]

@@user-jh1vj2et6z you are welcome, we are here to help each other

[@sevin7773]

The dealer is tell me that I need to buy new plugs after opening it. Because of the gasket/washer on it. Do I need to & did you replace yours?

[@kylelucastran]

I have one come with the fluid but I forgot to put in on. The old one was in good shape. You don’t have to buy the new one. May be next fluid change.

[@jlordano27]

very nice and detail. thank you been looking around to change my transmission fluid. where do you buy the atf type 3 and how many miles on right now? have any issue??

[@kylelucastran]

I bought fluid from eBay, my car is around 59k miles with no issue.

[@doddstolworthy2426]

Thank you!! I had to remove a metal shield to access the drain bolt. 3.1 atf at my dealer is $38/qt. Drain plug is $35. The sales guy felt sorry for me and gave me everything for $30 each. He said I need the fill bolt also. What’s your opinion on that?

[@kylelucastran]

Dodd, $30 is not that bad, but check on eBay for cheaper next time. You still can reuse the old drain plug, but check it throughly before use. $30 for a plug is expensive. Check on the clip to reset transmission after change the fluid . I posted on my channel.

[@alejandromorales7201]

Hi, can I just drain and put the 3.5 quarts that states on the honda pilot touring manual?

[@kylelucastran]

Yes, you can. Make sure the new and the old fluid are at the same temperature because the fluid is expanded when it is hot (you have to let the car sit and cool down to the room temperature before drain and fill), and you will fill it back with the exact amount of fluid you drain out from the transmission.

[@task5147]

Awesome video thanks! Does anyone use a Bluetooth/WiFi OBD scanner to check the transmission temperature? Any info please? (I'm using OBDLink MX)

[@jimheiberger2738]

Really appreciate this video, well done. Gave me the confidence to do it myself. For others that are considering , the transmission drain, fill and level plugs are all the same PN: 06237-5J4-010 I only replaced the drain plug as shown in the video. My 2018 Odyssey has a transmission shield/plate that had to be removed to get to the drain plug. I found the various trans shield/plate mounting fastener to be odd, 2 bolts, 1 screws and 3 plastics push fits. You might want to have the push fits on hand before you start as they often are not reusable even when you are careful in removing them. I was able to drain 3.25 quarts, put 3.5 quarts in and then leveled out a small amount, probably about .25 quarts. I plan to do it every 25-30K miles.

[@kylelucastran]

Well done Jim, if we keep the maintain for every 30k miles, I think we can drive this van for a while. I agree that the plastic push fit easy to be broken, but you can order a lot of them on eBay or Amazon with a cheap price. Cheers

[@ROGERDATTT]

Hey thanks for this tutorial. Just did this to my 2016 touring pilot, but i skipped the thermal reading part. Drained it and got 3.6 quartz, then replaced it with the same amount atf fluid 3.1. Do you happen to know how to drain the coolant? Can't find the drain underneath, earlier gen pilots have easy access down the front bumper.

[@vijaynair1915]

Is yours Pilot 9speed? Did you change the same process per this video? I can’t find any video for ATF change for Pilot 2016 9 speed.

[@user-ys5ft3ut1t]

Thank you so much for this video the family can is running smoothly and wasn't so bad on the pocket. Brakes video?

[@kylelucastran]

Thanks, I will post the brakes videos soon. I did an oil changed videos in the future too. If you have any question, let me know.

[@user-ys5ft3ut1t]

I appreciate your time and help sir I tip my hat to you sir

[@gcb9795]

Great video thank you!!

[@kylelucastran]

You are welcome.

[@greenjondear]

Per my previous comment.....drained 4.5 qts. ??

[@khiemq.nguyen233]

Thanks for this excellent video! How is the transmission doing since then ? I noticed you mentioned somewhere that it is great @3k since the flush . Anymore insights ?

[@kylelucastran]

Khiem Q. Nguyen, it is still doing good. My car is around 45k miles now. I got average around 25.2 mpg. And if you do, don’t do the flush, just drain and fill. Never put anything beside Honda transmission fluid 3.x. I will update my car soon and how it is doing. Happy to discuss.

[@jigarshah1543]

Once it reach the temperature. You have to turn off the engine and drain extra fluid

[@kylelucastran]

Don’t turn off the engine when draining fluid.

[@crazypeaches_YT]

Great Job Man! I think I'm more confident changing my 9spd fluid for the first time. Do you happen to have the Honda part number of the bolt replacement? Thanks for your help.

[@kylelucastran]

I don’t remember the part number, you still can reuse the old bolt if it still look good. I accidentally put back the old bolt after I refilled with fluid.

[@lhaaker]

The drain, fill and level plugs are all Honda part # 06237-5J4-010

[@Annie26722]

I have a question, my mdx manual said put the level plug back in when the ATF dropped, I don’t exactly understand what does it mean? Does it mean drop by drop or the dripping starts to become a small stream? Thanks!

[@kylelucastran]

Shane, I don’t understand it neither. I think the “dripping starts” sounds correct. Let me know if you find out anything. You can always give them a call and find out.

[@Annie26722]

I found some notes from the service manual about Q2, see below, so drop means starts dripping NOTE: If the ATF is pouring out, wait until the ATF starts dripping from the level plug hole. If there is no ATF coming out, add the ATF through the level plug hole until the ATF overflows, then wait until the ATF starts dripping from the level plug hole.

[@kylelucastran]

Shane, thanks for the useful information. Cheers

[@MrAlex27200]

hello i live in france and i've got jeep renegade trailhawk with the 948TE transmission and i want drain it it's the same that your transmission in your video ? Thank you.

[@kylelucastran]

Alexandre, making sure you choose the right fluid and temperature for your transmission. I heard that there were a lot of failures for Jeep’ transmissions.

[@MrAlex27200]

@@kylelucastran Yes it's true there are a lot of failures for jeep transmissions like mine. thanks for the advice.

[@glennb5458]

Did you take both tires off and when you drained the check plug was that with the car level?

[@kylelucastran]

Yes, I used ramps in the back and jack stands in front, car has to be level.

[@glennb5458]

@@kylelucastran thank you

[@Williamchang23]

I know you drained the oil when the car was cold. Do you recommend warming the vehicle by driving it around first before the drain?

[@kylelucastran]

I don’t recommend that because after driving around the fluid would be very hot, then you have to wait until the fluid cool down again. Transmission fluid is expanded when it is hot and it is different with engine oil.

[@mustanglovernutnate9188]

What’s the part number for the plug and how long of an extension did you use?

[@sethcharles3016]

If I was planning to just carefully measure fluid in and out (at same temp) and not use the leveling plug... it wouldnt matter if the van was level, correct? As in just the front up on ramps?

[@kylelucastran]

Yes, it will be ok

[@tfgatlin]

Great video, thanks. How about weighing the fluid instead of measuring volume? Would that not totally take temperature out of the equation?

[@kylelucastran]

As long as the old and the new fluid are at the same room temperature. Even the old fluid might contain a little dirty particles but it won’t be that much to make a big difference between oil and new fluid. Cheers

[@tfgatlin]

I don't think the temperature of either will matter at all. A pound of hot fluid will be the same as a pound of cold fluid, except volume. Once the temperatures equalize, they will be identical. The dirty particles will make it slightly different, but I don't think it would be significant. When my car is older I'll give it a try and report back.

[@kylelucastran]

@@tfgatlin I agree

[@kylelucastran]

This transmission has a history of failure from others car brand. We try to maintain it with a little mistake as possible. 👍

[@amitrai1820]

Thanks for posting this video. Did you change the drain plugs to new or used same one.

[@kylelucastran]

My fluid came with a new plug, but I forgot to use it. The old plug still looked very good. I recommend use the new one if it come with the fluids. 😁

[@amitrai1820]

Thanks a lot !

[@kylelucastran]

@@amitrai1820 no problems, subscribe to the channel and watch more videos that I posted. Cheer

[@karloffpaet3624]

Hello. Any issues? Whats your mileage now

[@kylelucastran]

So far no issue and it is my daily drive, I meant I dive it every day 35 to 40 miles total. It has almost 69k miles.

[@chesterw6161]

I am just wondering the dealer charge 300 for exactly same procedure or they do flush for 300

[@kylelucastran]

I think that is only the drain and fill. Personally, I don’t like the transmission getting flush.

[@miguelrivero7067]

Great video thank you! Do you know the fluid change interval for this ZF 9 speed transmissions?

[@kylelucastran]

Miguel Rivero , the dealer recommend every 30k miles. I think it is too early for the first change, my first change is at 42k.

[@miguelrivero7067]

Dis you have any shifting issues with the 9 speed transmission before the service?

[@zerohecks4864]

@@kylelucastran 30k is correct. They want your money, but Honda transmissions suck and need more frequent ATF changes.

[@kylelucastran]

@@miguelrivero7067 Sorry I did not see your comment until now. No I did not have the shifting issue before the service, and the van is still doing good. The van has 58,000 miles now and I plan to change the fluid at 70k again. Cheers

[@kylelucastran]

@@zerohecks4864 I agree, they shouldn’t put 9 speed ZF trans into their cars in the first place. All odyssey now have 10 speed from Honda and I heard it is a good transmission.

[@scsolo9666]

Hi Kyle, Do you have the part number for the transmission drain plug? Do I need 2 if I don't plan on removing the level bolt? Thanks so much

[@kylelucastran]

I don’t remember the part number, I used the old bottom plug and it work just fine, and you need one bottom plug only. You can call to the dealership and ask them the part numbers

[@scsolo9666]

@@kylelucastran Ty

[@alexadamko6848]

I just did today service change engine oil and supposed to change ATF , dealer want to charge me $478.00,I said no thanks ATF i will change by my self... I check on eBay honda ATF-Type 3.1 cost $26.00, For my 2018 Honda Odyssey I need 4 QT--- will cost me under $100

[@kylelucastran]

Yes Alex, around $100 to &110 for 4 QT. Save you some money👍

[@Brad55102]

Did you put the trans in S and use the paddle shifters to shift between each gear?

[@kylelucastran]

I did not do that, you can do that by drive it on the street but not on the stand.

[@drewski628]

I followed this procedure and was surprised by how much transmission fluid came out of the fill level hole on the side of the transmission!! I wish I'd measured how much came out by itself. The old oil that I drained from the bottom plug added to the oil that drained from fill level hole on the side made almost 5 quarts!!! I added 3.5 quarts of new oil. So I expected about 3.5 quarts. Is there a reason for this? Do we overfill and run through the gears to flush/clean everything and then drain almost 1.5 quarts??

[@kylelucastran]

Did you open the level check plug to drain the old oil? You open it after the drain and fill up with the new fluid.

[@drewski628]

@@kylelucastran No... To drain the old oil, I removed the plug/bolt on the bottom of the transmission housing. I replaced that bolt. Then I filled with 3.5 quarts of oil through the top bolt. After that I went through the gears and warmed up the transmission fluid to 110 degrees. At that point I removed the oil level bolt on the side, but it seemed like too much came out.. About 1.5 qts.

[@drewski628]

@@kylelucastran Okay.. I think I know my problem... When I removed the level bolt on the side, I did not keep the engine running. This article I found clearly indicates this and also states that the oil will pour out of the level bolt if not running honda.oemdtc.com/722/transmission-end-cover-leaks-9-speed-a-t-2018-2019-honda-odyssey-2016-2019-pilot

[@drewski628]

@@kylelucastran This is from the article linked above: NOTE: The ideal temperature for checking the ATF level is 104°F. If it’s more than 115°F, shut off the engine, let the transmission cool down, and start over again. With the engine running, remove the level plug. IMPORTANT: With the level plug removed, you must keep the engine running. If you shut it off, the ATF will pour out of the transmission. If a small amount of ATF trickles out of the level plug hole and keeps doing so, the level is OK. Install a new level plug, and torque it to 35 N·m (26 lb-ft). If no ATF comes out, loosely install a new level plug and lower the vehicle. Remove the fill plug, and add the appropriate amount of ATF Type 3.1 through the fill plug hole. Then, install a new fill plug, and check the ATF level again by removing the level plug. Be sure to monitor the ATF temperature while doing this. When you are done, install the level plug, then torque the level and fill plugs to 35 N·m (26 lb-ft).

[@kylelucastran]

@@drewski628 yes, you should keep the car running at the same time you open the check level bolt. Because the engine off, more fluid dropped down to the bottom. Don’t panic, you should fill up with 1 qts off fluid then warm up the transmission again to 110 degrees and while the engine running open the level check and drain out if overflow or add more fluid if you need it. Cheers

[@Ma-ky9tu]

Does it have a filter on it? Why you have to check the temperature of the transmission? Thank you

[@kylelucastran]

Ma! Yes, it has a filter, but it does not require to change it. In order to change the filter you have to drop the trans to do it. We have to check the temp because it does not have dip stick to check the level of fluid.

[@Ma-ky9tu]

@@kylelucastran thank you sir nice video

[@angelinepaet7003]

Any issues?

[@kylelucastran]

So far so good, no issue…

[@sulin422]

Does any gearbox burn oil?

[@kylelucastran]

My transmission doesn’t burn oil. You can smell the fluid and even the color of it when you drain it out and tell if transmission has issue.

[@kylelucastran]

What is the problem with your transmission?

[@khiemq.nguyen233]

Hi Kyle, it's been 1/2 year since you posted the video , so any new advice you have for us (I haven't got mine done yet, hence asked)? Thanks .

[@kylelucastran]

Hi Khiem, sorry to reply to you so late because I didn’t see your comment. My car has 50 k + miles and it is still doing good. I just took a round trip for 650 miles and my car did well. It makes easy for you; My advice is park your car and keep temp between transmission oil and new oil same as ambient temp before replacing fluid - replacing exact same amount of fluid coming out with the new fluid. Have fun with the job.

[@khiemq.nguyen233]

@@kylelucastran Hi Kyle, Thanks for the reply and Happy new year. Your advice makes me wonder if the way you did in the video (measured the temp) is not as accurate? I plan to have a local guy to do it (he has the hoist), so unlikely to have the oils at the same temp. Thanks.

[@kylelucastran]

Check the temp from the oil is for overflow check mark. I shot the thermometer right to the fluid and different location on the transmission itself. And the temp has the range of low and high, you don’t have to be exact temp. There are different dealerships having different methods. But if you can find the local guy to do the job with the good price, it is good. Some people complained about the transmission failures even they got services from the dealership also. So ask more questions before let’s they do it. Cheers

[@TrongNguyen-ky6wy]

Can anyone confirm the refill plug is the same location for the 10 speed? I can’t seem to locate it. I’ve found the drain and a second plug above that but in the posterior (back) section which I believe may be the level plug. I’ll have to look harder but could not spot a hex plug like the one in video for fill plug

[@kylelucastran]

Trong Nguyen, sorry just saw your comment. I am not sure about the 10 speed. Let’s me find out some more information and get back with you. I heard that 10 speed will be easier and cheaper to maintain.

[@TrongNguyen-ky6wy]

Kyle & Lucas I figured it out, it’s in the front side of the transmission, I had to bend the plastic covering to see it. It’s actually easier than what my dealership service guy told me. I had to use an extender to open it but it was simple and I ran a tube funnel from topside to fill the fluid. Dealership wanted to charge me $150, other local company wanted $240. I think after figuring it out, it may be slightly easier than oil change. Thank you for the reply

[@AA-rd4dz]

Do u think flushing the transmission will fix the hard shifting in 3rd gear around 25 mph?

[@kylelucastran]

I don’t think so, you can address the issue to the dealership and have them to reprogram it and let’s go from there.

[@ruoqingwu1258]

I have the same problem@26 mile per hour

[@ruoqingwu1258]

Btw, do we need to pay for the reprogramming it?

[@mohammedallawi2184]

Is that way work with jeep renegade2017 zf9 speed?

[@kylelucastran]

I am not sure for the Jeep.

[@edwinpurnomo1612]

Does transmission has transmission filter?

[@kylelucastran]

Yes, it does.

[@luissalazar4252]

Its the same process for honda pilot 2018 touring 9 speed? I didn't know about the level flood

[@kylelucastran]

Yes, it is

[@luissalazar4252]

@@kylelucastran what happen if I skipped the gun temperature and just doing change trasmion oil

[@kylelucastran]

Have to be in the temp range in order to have the right amount of fluid in the transmission. Transmission fluid is different with engine oil, transmission fluid expand when it is hot.

[@luissalazar4252]

Thank you I will do the same you did I appreciate 🙏

[@kylelucastran]

@@luissalazar4252 no problem, let’s us know if you have any question or anything want to share.

[@calvincheung9470]

Anyone know drain plug part number? Messed up threads a bit so want to replace it.

[@kylelucastran]

Check with the dealer, I don’t think it is expensive.

[@marks6072]

Does this video also apply to the 2021 Ridgeline AWD with the new ZF9 speed ?? Thanks for posting this vid!!

[@kylelucastran]

I am not sure with the AWD…

[@Phil-D83]

No amsoil signature series atf?

[@kylelucastran]

Should use Honda ATF 3.1

[@Phil-D83]

@@kylelucastran the amsoil works just fine. One of the few ones that does

[@kylelucastran]

@@Phil-D83 good to know

[@zoeypham9515]

I need to replacement transmission fluid on 2019 honda odyssey EX model. How many quarts do i need to fill in again ?

[@kylelucastran]

Zoey, make sure you have 9 speed zf transmission; I believe it is. Drain and refill is around 3 and a half quarts. This is not all the fluid from transmission itself. Cheers

[@Brad55102]

Do you drain the fluid with the vehicle warmed up or cold?

[@kylelucastran]

I drain it when the vehicle was cold.

[@angelinepaet7003]

Since you drain some of the fluid on the level check, its not exactly 3.5qts

[@kylelucastran]

Remember, the transmission has much more than 3.5 qts. 3.5qts is in the pan itself. After you turn the engine on to bring the temp up, the fluid starts to circulate the whole transmission. This time I had to drain out some, but next time I might need to add a little more. And when you compare the old and new fluid even they are the same level but the old fluid actually has a little lesser because of the contaminate from different elements from wearing out inside the transmission.

[@angelinepaet7003]

@@kylelucastran do you think its ok if i just do drain and fill it with 3.5qrts without opening the side plug?

[@kylelucastran]

@@angelinepaet7003 absolutely, the only thing you need to do is making sure the new and old fluid are the same temperature.

[@angelinepaet7003]

@@kylelucastran u mean cold? overnight without running?

[@kylelucastran]

@@angelinepaet7003 yes, let both new and old fluid sitting in the same room overnight.

[@AA-rd4dz]

This isn’t a flush correct? The transmission holds more the 3.5 quarts?

[@kylelucastran]

Gold pic Pizza, this is not a flush, just drain and fill part of the fluid. And if you want to do the flush, be careful or you might damage the trans.

[@AA-rd4dz]

Do you think doing this a couple times a year would replace having a flush done every 45,000 miles?

[@kylelucastran]

Gold pic Pizza, yes, I prefer doing this every 30k miles you will be fine. Stay away from the flush. Especially, when the technician pump different type of fluid to flush the trans, the damage will be it. If you decide to do yourself, make sure what type of your trans and using the right fluid. Happy to discuss.

[@AA-rd4dz]

Kyle & Lucas If me doing this twice a year doesn’t void my warranty then ill do it.

[@atifkhalid9655]

At what mileage (miles) you changed transmission oil.

[@kylelucastran]

Manufacturer recommended every 30k, but I changed my at around 42k, it is really depended on how hard you drive and where u live.

[@atifkhalid9655]

@@kylelucastran Oil is really costly. It is $85 per quart here in Canada. 30,000miles is not a bad interval to keep transmission safe.

[@kylelucastran]

@@atifkhalid9655 shop around on line, you can find fluid for cheaper price.

[@atifkhalid9655]

@@kylelucastran Not much here in Canada unfortunately. You might be lucky but will check. Thanks.

[@marks6072]

If you removed 3.5 quarts old and replace with 3.5 quarts of new fluid, why do you have to remove the check plug. You replaced exactly what you removed!!

[@kylelucastran]

After warm up to the correct temperature, you have to remove the check plug to verify the correct level because the whole transmission contains more than 3.5 quarts. The fluid would expand. You saw the fluid came out not much from the check plug. I did mention in one of the comment that you can use the method to remove and refill with exact amount of fluid but you have to leave the new fluid and the fluid in transmission at the same temperature. It is not going to hurt if you want to check level again from the check plug (after bring up the temperature). Cheers

[@kylelucastran]

I forgot to mention that when you drain out the temperature from the transmission the fluid would not be the same with the new fluid, so after you refill it up and bring up the temperature and check to make sure it has the right amount of fluid in the transmission. The shop will not wait until the fluid in transmission same temperature with the new fluid that they would put into ur car.

[@Petrovich1988]

@@kylelucastran very good video Kyle 👍 What makes me a little confused is: In order to check a level of a new fluid you got to bring up the temperature to 104-115. But you also mentioned that a temperature of a new fluid has to be same with the temperature of the old fluid. Now, you didn’t warm up the old fluid before draining it though...? In that case when you filled a transmission with a new fluid it is same temperature with the old fluid (cold). Why not just check the level of the new fluid without warming it up???

[@kylelucastran]

@@Petrovich1988 you can drain and refill the old and new fluid without warming it up, but 2 fluid have to be exact temperature and this method is not accurate because even the same temperature the old fluid got contaminated. If you bring your car to the shop, there is no way the tech will let your car sit until the transmission cool down to match with the new fluid, it will take overnight. That is why some people let their car sit in the garage overnight, so the old and new fluid are at the same temp.

[@Petrovich1988]

@@kylelucastran thanks. Sorry for not understanding you correctly. What is the reason, why 2 fluids needs to be same temperature?

[@mikesmith4552]

How much do you pay for the fluid

[@TrongNguyen-ky6wy]

I normally order mine on eBay, my 2018 elite uses Type 2 fluid, 4 quarts ~$17.xx shipping included, I ordered bulk for shipping savings.

[@kylelucastran]

This fluid is not type 2, it is type 3.x meant 3.0 to 3.1 from Honda. It is 40 plus dollars per quart. Please don’t use wrong fluid. You can buy it straight from dealer or online. I paid $25 per quart on eBay. Trong Nguyen, your 2018 elite has in-house 10 speed transmission from Honda it is not same 9 speed transmission ZF in lx to Touring level.

[@TrongNguyen-ky6wy]

Kyle and Lucas yup, make sure you verify your fluid type. But eBay is normally cheaper than dealerships.

[@pepa194]

Very good!!

[@kylelucastran]

Thanks, please subscribe and follow the maintenance that I do to this car.

[@Brad55102]

Can u share where the beat deal for the fluid is?

[@kylelucastran]

Brad, check on ebay. There is a good deal for this type of fluid right now.

[@johnxiong9034]

That ZF transmission is junk. Not even Japanese transmission. It's a Germany made transmission.

[@billsmith9966]

How can you say something German made/designed is junk?

[@timvu3095]

It is not the proper procedure to use an infrared temperature reader to measure the oil temperature. The proper procedure is to use a scan tool to read the oil temperature from the internal sensor. However, in a pinch, you can do it this way, keep in mind that the oil temperature would be higher than the casing. It's only 104F, barely 8F warmer than the body temperature so it should not take long to get it warm enough to take the check plug out. Make sure that the infrared temperature is accurate, many cheap ones are notoriously inaccurate. These ZF 9HP transmissions are German designed by ZF Friedrickshafen AG, it is used in many automakers in the US including Chrysler, Jeep, Honda, Acura, Range Rover, etc. and it is much harder to service than the standard 6sp AT. That's why the dealers want a arm and a leg to service it for you, not counting the outrageous cost of the AT fluid. I doubt that you will ever get the fuel efficient ZF claims in city driving, I never saw it shifting beyond the 6th gear at speed less than 50mph.

[@kylelucastran]

Tim Vu, that is corrected. Dealer uses scan tool to check the temperature internally. I did answered one viewer at the bottom. I did shot the thermometer through the level check hole to get exact temperature and different locations to compare, it is not much different. There are so many failures for this type of transmission even you get service from the dealers. Read some of the comments then you find out different dealers has different ways to service this transmission.

[@fordfiveohh]

Yes ... Use Honda transmission fluid because it's a German transmission lol...

[@kylelucastran]

Honda fluid doesn’t mean Honda make it right LOL...They did test and collected data before they produce it. So there are a lot of brands in the market but the fluid coming from the same manufacture. That is the way they marketing it right. So what is your recommendation? What fluid should we use?

[@fordfiveohh]

@@kylelucastran I dunno man. I'm just making a joke. Not making fun of video producer... Making fun of manufacturers who probably re brand fluids then strictly recommend Honda fluid .. it's funny....

[@kylelucastran]

@@fordfiveohh, I thought you know the cheaper alternative fluid. Those fluid with Honda name on it are expensive. I agree with you that Honda did not suppose to put this type of transmission into their cars, that is why they put 10 speeds into every odyssey now. 👍

[@fordfiveohh]

@@kylelucastran I have the same transmission (zf 9 speed for front wheel drive ) but I have a Jeep Cherokee. That's why I also think Honda branded might be unimportant lol...

[@Shane23Armada]

No offense, but you have funny accent lol

[@kylelucastran]

Lol. I came to the US. When I were 19ylds. I will try to use American accent next time. 😂