How to Equip and Use Legion Sky Hunters (Horus Heresy)

[@jw7500]

Happy to see jetbikes as a subject without instantly going "they are trash". Keep em coming (espescially the legion tactica parts).

[@cadderley100]

I think that when people say that they are "Trash", that it's the person who just doesn't know how to use them properly. I mean, they can both engage and drop Titans in a round if they are equipped for it. If I can take a unit that costs less than 300 points, and drop something worth on the uppers of 500 points, like, say, a single Imperial Knight Crusader, I would call that a win. Equip the Jet Bikes with Melta's and take 5 of them, and they could take down models worth twice their point's cost.

[@jeffreysas5888]

Weird legion to consider also for them is Salamanders: Artifice and Flame allows you to replace the Heavy Bolter for a Dragon's Breath Heavy Flamer for free, and upgrading the flame pistol to a dragon's breath flame pistol means a min-sized squad gets 3 S6 templates and 3 S4 templates.

[@tmckee3242]

That could be nasty esp with wall of death.

[@Hearesy]

Wow I never noticed you can replace HBs also? That would be EPIC on bikes.

[@TheDarkjulian]

it's brilliant! there the dragon's breath is aptly named. little fire-breathing flying dragons 🔥 well, technically with their speed in flight they should burn themselves 😆

[@Hearesy]

SPACE MAGIC JULIAN, SPACE MAGIC

[@TheDarkjulian]

@@Hearesy I ordered 6 of them for my NL, I wanted to put volkite culverins on them. But now it's clear that 3 will go to my salamanders 🔥🔥🔥 Thanks hearesy Thanks Jeffrey Sas

[@franklinwharton7169]

As a grizzled Veteran gamer, really appreciate your contribution to the community

[@BrooksSligh]

I'm considering picking some of these up for my Alpha Legion after I get some squads built/completed. The 2" further away thing and the mobility reaction are interesting.

[@Shinsay]

As a new player I really appreciate your vids--I picked this up based solely on "looks cool" and because they're distinctly 30k, but I really wasn't sure what I should do with them, thanks for the thorough lesson!

[@jedi9935]

I got 6 of these for my Dark Angels list. I am very excited for this unit!

[@myrar8708]

Thank you for putting so much content out, I am hoping for more awesome HH releases this year!

[@shieck3178]

It is so exciting every time I see you drop a new video.

[@eastoforion]

so soooo excited for these! for the khan!!

[@christopherrussell1203]

I just wanted to get some of these for the coolness factor for my EC and the volkite squad w/ a Phoenix power spear seems like a really cool modeling opportunity and fun with the hit and run tactics.

[@Hearesy]

Would look awesome too! Bit of EC jousting :)

[@tomsimpson357]

Been looking at adding these to my first ever army build, mainly because they seem cool and I’d like to paint them. This video has been really useful😊

[@gadzilla6664]

Can't wait to add these to my Night Lords. Gives some much needed heavy firepower to Terror Assault, and with their speed and +3 to charge, will make a great "first charger" unit to set up Night Raptors and Atrementar.

[@TheDarkjulian]

really thematic 👍 Afterwards I would have liked them to benefit from the night lord rule, but they are not massive (and yet). they should have matched the excess/outnumbered to the number of wounds. It would have been more logical and it would have saved the NL dreadnoughts too... 😟

[@gadzilla6664]

@TheDarkjulian Yeah. I think that might be a "balance thing". But it feels absolutely bizarre that 1 Night Lords model in Terminator Armour (or with a Jump Pack) can "outnumber" a Leviathan.

[@TheDarkjulian]

@@gadzilla6664 agree. I don't know if it's a balance thing... maybe... dreads are already strong...

[@gadzilla6664]

@@TheDarkjulian Yes, they are. But, if it helps, remember that we're the only Legion that can give our dreadnoughts Night Vision. That's definitely a plus.

[@Kmwildride]

wooo jetbikes! Looking forward to getting a squad of these to hunt Scorpius tanks hiding at the back of my opponents side!

[@Hearesy]

100% best use right now! Pew pew

[@warpaintjj]

Many thanks as ever! I can read the rules over & over & not get it until you explain what it is & how to use it!!! Must be my age - mid 50s 🙄

[@Hearesy]

Be joining you myself soon enough im sure we’ll all get through it, haha

[@wenasaurus]

I'm thinking on getting a unit of 6 for my raven guard. Pop an infraviser on the sergeant and zoom around the first 2 turns ignoring night fighting and deleting models with 30 volkite shots

[@kurnou5]

Super excited to run them in Nightlords Terror Assault. Gives you the extra firepower that the HS limitations deny you. Nightfighting helps to discourage early shooting into them as well. I do think the Javelin is strictly better, giving 2 lascannons and a multimelta for 105 but waiting for a plastic or that.

[@neilkirkley1500]

Wooo, Content Hype!

[@goacoreband]

Perfect timing. Just got my hands on 2 boxes

[@Gunnvulcan]

Welcome back!!!!

[@MLaak86]

Definitely a unit in my consideration for bringing some mobile firepower for DG.

[@lorgor4eva]

I’m definitely getting jetbikes for my word bearers legion. As I’m going assault & destroyers are very much in my plans for my legion build. Skimmers are in my plans for heavy weapons ie melta & lasscannons on javelins for my anti tank & dreadnought problems.

[@AubLambe]

Picked up a box because of this video, pretty stoked to add some guns to my VIII

[@magnusthered9503]

Hi , i'm think thousand sons also love jetbikes because the units with cavalery sub-type also have the minor arcana , the +3 mouvement or the ability to snipe a character if they are equip with multi-melta can be interesting🙂

[@kurnou5]

I may be wrong, but aren't arcana restricted to infantry?

[@magnusthered9503]

@@kurnou5 nop infantry and cavalery

[@reservedcheese]

The Pyrae or athanean dilemma to bully the back field

[@timroham]

Could you do a video on Sabre strike tanks soon?

[@IVIaskerade]

Definitely worth noting that Blood Angels jetbike sergeants can get inferno pistols which is definitely worthwhile even on a volkite squad for opportunistic vehicle sniping

[@crimsonsphinx]

Great video. I was hoping to see their use in a Nightlords swift blade rite covered, as well as giving jetbikes to command squads. Would you consider covering those in the future?

[@Hearesy]

Command squads is getting its own episode!

[@Scondoro]

@Hearesy I know you don't like pdf units, but could you please briefly discuss them, perhaps just as an aside at the end? In particular I really want to hear your take on the new Morlocks for Iron Hands. One of my favorite lore units and I just want to hear you discuss them 😅

[@Dan-gw9gd]

Super powerful with multi meltas in a space wolves army.with the move run shoot mechanic you're pretty much guaranteed to get into half range yes you're only firing snap shots but don't forget multi meltas are twin linked

[@SleepySoviet]

Right on time, thanks buddy

[@Subodenkhan]

I've been running whitscars bikes all of this and last edition, while they are not as good as they used to be they still have their uses. That being said I found that 1 unit of bikes seams to run better then multiple small squads and volkite, with a tech marine makes these quite a deadly unit

[@bryanallen3939]

I feel that these guys with multimeltas or Volkite culverins in a salamanders list would go hard

[@manuchema1150]

Great video, as usual. Many thanks because i didn't know what to think about this unit a part the models are cool. Then a sabre tank video and maybe an ultramarine lists recommendations. Please, please 🙏 Cheers 👍

[@joelmarchesan335]

Awesome timing! Just pre-ordered the plastic ones. Going to play them either way, but do you think they'll be viable for Fists?

[@Sunburnedhalo]

Bikes for IF are fine honestly. You’d wanna use them purely as mobile support if you take the Heavy Bolters, but otherwise you’re better off taking MultiMeltas to wreck armor ASAP. If you take the Heavy Bolter option you definitely want to take a minimum of 5 and you absolutely can take more as needed; you can try to take advantage of the Hit & Run with bigger squads if you feel you’ll be ok on the way out, but that’s a last ditch effort.

[@Hearesy]

I think they work for every legion, yeah. Highly mobile heavy weapons just isnt that easy to find in general.

[@joelmarchesan335]

@@Hearesy That's great point, thank you for the awesome content!

[@ThePipLad]

Can't wait to get them tabled turn one!

[@TheExcessus]

Thousand Sons with their plasmas get S8 rending 6+, also quite nice.

[@stone1350]

7:17 hey brother, love the channel and your well thought out insights on this amazing game!! My question is this….. if I give my command squad and praetor jet bikes, does relentless allow them to shoot the heavy bolter, and a combi weapon?

[@gaaaaaaaaaaah1]

World Eaters aren't too bad either with chain axes +1 attack combined with hit and run

[@simonjackson1571]

I have wondered about using them with my Blood Angels. Deep strike in using Day of Revelations melt a tank then charge into something and try not to get shot to death.

[@operkoi8954]

Feel like raven guard bikes with infravisors could be good with volkite or plasma. decent anti infantry with night vision and the ability to give them 4++ cover saves with cameleoline and ROW/reaction/advancing

[@Hearesy]

Thats a pretty cool use. Its probably a bit too expensive really - even a cover save wont save bikes if theyre being shot - but certainly fits the theme!

[@leestride2285]

I've bought 6 for death guard, but Im undecided between the plasma and multi metla options. (plasma looks the best imo)

[@cadderley100]

There's also the lore to consider. Now, the Jet Bikes hit and run tactics might not suit companies like the Imperial Fister's or Ultra Butt-Marines, but it would suit Raven Guard down to the ground.

[@alwo9297]

Nice presentation

[@joshhough9508]

I often run a squad of 4 with volkite in my SoH army. I find them great for chipping away at troops choices. People always talk shit about these bikes but Heresy shoulf remain about playing whats cool

[@Hearesy]

Ideally it should be both, i think these guys fit in that gap quite well!

[@hamzahsajjad7952]

What Consul would you put with a squad? Thinking of getting 2 boxes for a unit of 5 and character to lead them for my scars (No Chaplain, centurion or Champion, already got those)

[@Anjouvis]

What do you think of a DA preator on Bike with a bike retinue? Is it worth it or just very expensive (and you can't swap weapons)?

[@Hearesy]

Whole different topic for a future video but i think characters on bikes in general is pretty good!

[@Red2Productions]

Trying to melee Heavy Support Squads would be risky as they’re likely to try and overwatch you on the way in…

[@richardc3859]

I believe Word Bearers and Thousand Sons can replace the plasma cannons with their unique versions as well. Don't know effectiveness of the T-Sons version, but the Word Bearers plasma cannons are nasty.

[@Hearesy]

They can, but I only went into the ones that I think are particularly good. I dont rate those two particularly high (as much as i love wb plasma and ill be using it, its too expensive)

[@bigoriginal1985]

@@Hearesy Do you feel the same for heavy support plasma cannons? Or would you stick to plasma guns due to the assault 2 at 24"?

[@Hearesy]

Yeah I like them too. Building a unit for my Word Bearers! 36” can be a bit short if you want to sit far away with them but they are excellent at killing marines

[@rdmths]

Lovely

[@Sean-nb6sj]

I run two units of ten for my raven guard, I play big games

[@tra779]

Do you think it's worth giving them fenrisian axes for 2 points each? If they are tying up units in combat they will usually be outnumbered, are their bases big enough to get in contact with multiple enemies?

[@Hearesy]

Definitely! And would look cool!

[@TheDarkjulian]

@@Hearesy and looking cool is so important in this game 😬

[@ero9841]

Anyone use these models yet. Whats your opinion on them.I was thinking plasma. Seemed like a good option. Wh

[@johnwhite2412]

How do they deny objectives?

[@TheTaffy2499]

Woooo!!!! Just as I’ve printed 6 of them and all the weapons 🤓🤓

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

I don't know why people thought they were expensive. They are about the same price as the elite 2W jump infantry many Legions can take, except they cannot be pinned and tote heavy weapons by default.

[@Hearesy]

People get blinded by nerfs without looking at the unit in totality. Losing T5 caught people out.

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

@@Hearesy - I never played HH 1.0, but in looking at the utility of jetbikes, I think they are a sleeper hit.

[@Rannos1677]

Wondering if Imperial Fists would be better off with the heavy bolters and their +1 to hit vs going with the volkites?

[@Hearesy]

Its a pretty close run thing in numbers. Id still go volkites because of +1 str vs vehicles, but you can certainly justify the bolters if you want to!

[@whitearmchair]

Volkites get 2x more shots, 9" greater range, and +1S. HB does 1.67 wounds to MEQ; Culverin does 2.7 BEFORE deflagrate. I think it's no contest.

[@Rannos1677]

@@whitearmchair thanks!

[@Hearesy]

I dont know where those numbers come from but they are wrong! HB has 4 shots hitting on 2s, averages 0.74 wounds per heavy bolter Volk has 5 shots hitting on 3s, averages 0.92 per volkite plus another 0.25 for deflegrate but costs more points. So in absolute terms, a HB will usually kill 2 marines and a volkite will usually kill 3. Its close enough that if fists players want to run HBs for flavour it isnt the end of the world!

[@whitearmchair]

@@Hearesy I didn't realize HBs have 4x shots now! Sorry, I've been playing since 4th ed and sometimes my head isn't up to date.

[@IVIaskerade]

I like power lances on them. Combined with hit and run it makes them able to rip through an enemy squad before they can fight back

[@benjaminbrenner745]

So confused about these units, you rarely seen them around but there's several tier rankings that put WS Chogorian Brotherhood as a top tier army.

[@jw7500]

Because they used to be only in resin, which is pretty expensive. Then there's also that the White Scars scheme is tradionally one of the very hardest to paint, due to white paint being annoying to work with. Also that using these bikes well requires an experienced player that understands the movement phase very well.

[@Hearesy]

Chogorian Brotherhood isnt a top tier army. Its a fine army, but some people certainly seem to think it does a lot more than it does!

[@jw7500]

@@Hearesy It depends on the pilot. I know several heresy players that attend events and often do well with their brotherhood lists (assume for a sec that full on Fury lists are banned). I personally think that combined arms with a good bit of Golden Keshigs is perhaps stronger, but it's definately above average provided you know how to play it.

[@Hearesy]

Skill and army arent the same thing though right? A good player doing well with a bad army doesnt make the army good, it makes them good :) and fair play to them! Playing what you like and doing well is the point of heresy imho. its a fine army as I say, nothing wrong with it, but its far far away from top tier of what is possible in heresy armies if you want filth is what im getting at.

[@jw7500]

@@Hearesy What I am saying is that not only a bad army can be decent in decent hands, I am also saying a mid tier army can be amazing in the right hands. White Scars can go from a B tier army to upper A in proficient hands, Not quite S tier as that is reserved for OP things like IH Fury and ye average IF list. Alpha Legion is very much like White Scars in this regard. It's a mid tier army generally, but goes almost to S tier in capable hands. Some armies require proficient hands to get their potential out of it.

[@captainferrite]

People aren't sleeping on bikes like they used to, Outer Circle also rates them high and Mountain Miniatures says he's gonna show us all that White Scars are S tier when his are built.

[@Hearesy]

Everyone wants their army to be S tier, cant people just accept that middling armies can still win games? :)

[@captainferrite]

@@Hearesy I think the implication was that a middling army is actually a strong army nobody knows how to play right :D

[@Hearesy]

I get it, I just disagree :)

[@NemFX]

I use these for my Emperor's Children. These are a dagger to stab in the back with. I have them equipped with multi meltas. Find something that you can take out, make sure it doesn't have armoured ceramite. Don't bother with upgrades. I don't even bother upgrading them to have a sergeant. This is one of the regrettable 'throwaway' units, in the sense of it's there to fill a purpose, but that purpose is pretty niche. If your opponent didn't spring the extra ten points (or whatever it is) for armoured ceramite, these are there to remind him to do so next time.

[@Hearesy]

Armoured Ceramite doesnt exist in v2, neither does upgrading them to have a sgt.

[@lesbianmorgoth652]

Yes please get people to waste points on these, I need more expensive units to kill! :p Fr, I just don't agree with this at all. Sure, they technically have more wounds then a HSS, but that squad with have two extra guns. Jetbikes losing both the extra toughness and 2+ save while staying 35ppm base is absurd and an extra wound on a T4 3+ save model is useless in an environment where everyone tools to kill those models. They are just much too expensive for such a fragile unit, which sucks because they are easily one of the more unique parts of 30k marines.

[@jellydamgood]

Do you play without or minimal terrain? In which case yea they are gonna be very bad compared to HSS. Let's face it, not many things can beat an undercosted and slightly overpowered heavy weapon squad that spits out 10 lasers a turn in an open killing field.

[@lesbianmorgoth652]

@@jellydamgood sure, but they're still bad even with a good amount of terrain. just too expensive for the cost, they were completely fine in 1.0 and really didn't need to be changed.

[@jellydamgood]

@@lesbianmorgoth652 Yeathe nerf sucks, it's felt even more by the landed spatha bikes. The scimitar still feels serviceable, but it seems like people want to use them more just for the flavour and/or shenanigans aspect And of course to play the deep strike lottery. I gave it some thought, like if you managed to deep strike them right on top of a squad of hss, pin them and then shoot them with 3-5 twinlinked plasma cannons followed by a charge, that's almost a guaranteed wipe. 3 plasma cannons is only 125 points, or if you decide to splurge and go 5 it goes up to 205, if the gamble succeeds, you just wiped a 300 point piece for 2/3 the cost and still has a flashy distraction unit to use after. It's of course, very unreliable, which then goes up when using certain legions.... But let's not get into that. IMO that's part of the HH charm over 40k, go big or go home amirite?

[@lesbianmorgoth652]

@@jellydamgood not something I'd do lol, but it would be hilarious when it works. honestly though, at this point i'm just considering if i wait for fan made xenos rules or make my own. i wanna be the wrench in the plans of everyone, loyal and traitor alike, haha.

[@jellydamgood]

@@lesbianmorgoth652 Hey, go for it, and have fun doing it.