How to get a Flawless Hardmode Zuk Kill

[@mauris6052]

Congrats on your cape man. Flawless HM Zuk is no joke. Thank you for the guide I might try sometime

[@DR4K0R3X]

For the run energy issue you can bring an ogre flask or use the endurance relic. You can also never run out of energy if you use surge at the right time.

[@Tortferngatr]

A stamina pot also works.

[@simontbrave5975]

powerburst of acceleration?

[@warhead213]

Run energy? Couldn’t you just use the relic that gives unlimited run energy

[@DR4K0R3X]

@@warhead213 said that in my comment lol

[@warhead213]

@@DR4K0R3X ohhh big offfs my b 😅

[@grijsmanya7292]

Interesting additions from what i learned: North east is a spot where no or maximum 1 mob can hit you, and then you can hit over the wall west then south to 1v1 all waves (EXCLUDING JAD WAVES; SOUTHEAST THERE). It has plenty of room to avoid fire walls, just reflect during. As for healing: resonance grabbing from the rangers, melee swipe or a mage bomb are nice. Can also soulsplit off zuk (on the immune hits, trap one mob). When hitting over the wall you can Gchain +asphyx (stunning the 1 mob that can hit you, this will heal over 4k dammage in 1 asphyx) Gstaff is broken for first 2 challanges. Focuss it (with gconc) Har aken: try to relax. The small bombs require 2 sq to move in 1 direction (NOT diagonally), the big one move 3-4sq (NOT diagonally). This way you can stay close to sun. Gconc gstaff big ass deeps

[@turtlewearsahat]

Importantly there's one less auto attack between specials for zuk in hard mode (i.e. special 1 -> 2 attacks -> special 2 -> 2 attacks -> special 3 etc). Salt water ogre flask give unlimited run energy so may be useful.

[@xphilli]

Easily your best guide yet. Thx, I feel pretty confident about trying hm now :D!

[@ProtoxxGaming]

You got this!!

[@abolfazlashrafizadeh]

Thanks so much man. Everyone forgot about us noobs after zuk release

[@vinimurtlemo]

Wow I was just preparing myself to face this challenge and then you posted the video. Nice synchrony haha!

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Good luck man! You got this!!

[@kakobilmax4074]

BRUHH been fallowing you since ed3 came out started playing that week and been using all your vids for literally everything this one no exemption thanks to you have the cape first try lol i was scare for some reason ty so much

[@ProtoxxGaming]

First try?! Wtf! Nice!!!

[@kakobilmax4074]

@@ProtoxxGaming lol i was using achto literally take 0 damage fist run 44min 2nd run 33 min lol that first one run out ovls thanks again men.

[@oseltonato]

Finally I got my first flawless HM Zuk kill first time. My magic preset has only 2 each of the pieces of cryptblooms and ganodermic armour and one obsidian mage helm

[@RyanPoutine]

this man just said jads are a blessing....

[@DBoycee91]

I did a flawless zuk kill a week or 2 after it came out. I died so many times, i think giving up is most peoples troubles with a boss fight that will take normal pvmers 40+ mins to do.

[@crippledepre9539]

No not really. The problem are 13 mil death costs. Not down to waste 30 min to die at the end and average -20m an hour

[@lambosnicko]

@@crippledepre9539 then wear a ring of death.

[@zukodude487987]

Jad used to take me 2+ hours per attempt back in the day with 70 range, black dhide and crystal bow and no overloads or curses, auras etc.

[@lambosnicko]

@@zukodude487987 i remember doing jad on a level 50 range pure back when uaex jad did it on the level 37. Wasnt too bad with a stack of purple sweets.

[@zukodude487987]

@@lambosnicko Purple sweets were expensive The initial crystal bow recharges were painful enough and the brew/restores.

[@JADESEAL6]

can we please get a necromancy hard mode guide??

[@init_yeah]

Wish I got greater chain when it was 100m lol

[@astephanc]

I remember when people said it wasn't worth it. It's one a the few magic upgrades I bought a few months back before mage became meta. Still need tier 90 dual wield tho :s, it evens out, you win on some things lose out on others.

[@lahabrea]

Better farm it urself or else start iron

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

I had a buy offer in the GE for around that amount. When it didn't buy I decided to spend my money on something else 🤦

[@SearedBite]

Lol i was considering it and almost bought it about a million times, wish i did

[@jeffmennega1724]

700m payed tpday

[@Linkolnverse]

Ah... right. Sunshine would help on that first challenge for sure.

[@mmww_]

great video, really clearly broken down + easy to understand everything

[@ProtoxxGaming]

[@RyanPoutine]

not easy to understand at all tbh first of all he tells us to bring a range setup but is using magic?? in the middle of the fight all of sudden he tells us we need turtling on our shield then tells us to put a dummy down at this exact time to to blAH BLAH i just want the stone....

[@mmww_]

@@RyanPoutine skill issue

[@LeeSintheBlindDoge]

4:26 iirc if you trap minions so they dont attack you you can soulsplit off zuk

[@Kranon]

I feel this deserves his own KZbin Short, it's so simple yet incredibly useful. It makes your runs a bit longer but it's worth the HP Recovery and the Adrenaline Build up before each challenge wave. This is like those smaller PSA that many people surprisingly don't know about, like changing the Buff Bar Icon Sizes or changing the Camera Movement from WASD to the Mouse Wheel.

[@Kranon]

Hot Dawg! I remember telling to myself "I'll get my cape when protoman gets his". Man that was insanity, congrats on this incredible achievement :D

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Thanks ^^ Time to go get it Cecil! If I can do it so can you :)

[@Kranon]

@@ProtoxxGaming Thanks Protoman :D i also have mine and I'm so happy i made it my Channel Artwork haha.

[@ProtoxxGaming]

@@Kranon ooooh I see. Way to flex ur achievement :p

[@joeberns9668]

Me returning after 6 years watching a guide on Zuk then remembering i did slayer on legacy mode before i quit fml guess ill just have to be content with my fight kiln capes. Ill revisit this once i know what my abilities are called and do lmao

[@latinlover62]

thx for reminding me why I don't boss, that was crazy

[@CHT1992]

Pretty much this. Jagex be like: "Here's some nice stuff for you to return to." >Alot of people return to the game from a long break. And then you take a look at all the content you missed and see this and think: "I regret returning to this game..." Because there is no way in hell i am going to go through all of this. I'm like a 3/5 in terms of bossing, perhaps even 2.5. My best feat so far is NM kerapac but i see people casually killing NM kerapac no effort while i struggle a bit. As time goes on, game becomes even more sweaty for bossing. They really need to balance the game for 2 groups of people instead of releasing content exclusive to the elite few. Make Hardmode for sweats and normalmode for noobcakes like us, hardmode has better drop rates, normal mode has worst drop rates. All items should be available in both difficulties, it's just the drop rates that should change, making HM more profitable if they scaled difficulty to drop rates with a multiplier. Like HM being 3x NM for a boss, making drop rates for uniques 3x better with 3 rolls and overall generic loot roll 3 times instead of 1. Want to get your own FSOA? Good luck with that. This applies to all gwd3 bosses except croe. Glacor is a good practice dummy but i have yet to try HM.

[@nergigante.]

@@CHT1992 ye thought of coming back seen this video nothing has changed in 3 years same dumb game switch scape just dialed up. Rs3 is just a salty dead sweat lord boss game that once a long time ago use to be a MMORPG.

[@Piraja27]

is it weird that I keep ingame sounds on at all times? as I find audio ques pretty important and wish Jagex did those more often. I dont necessarily keep the music on, though Zuk song is such a banger especially first time there

[@ProtoxxGaming]

I think its a good idea. I just don't play with sounds personally. They sound cool tho, but I listen to music

[@shawnlaggaming]

I don’t want to pick apart your video, but for the pillar at the end of the zuk run you brought a super energy potion. The stamina potion basically allows you to run for 6 minutes without taking a breath. From reading the comments it seems you have a pretty bad relic setup. I understand persistent rage even though I don’t use it, most of the fight your in combat. I would recommend using conservation of energy because it reduces the adren you use when you use ultimates, so basically your suns would look like this - sun gconc tsunami wm aphyx gconc omni, and finish Omni with around 30-70 adren based on crits. All the waves in the fight share a common pattern. Waves 1-3 are mostly meleers, 4 igneous, 5 challenge, and 6-8 being range, then igneous and the challenge, then 11-13 are mostly magers, then igneous and challenge. Another common similarity is that there’s 1-3 of a “non-style” that spawns. Once you learn where the styles spawn you can pick them apart and basically not take too much damage at any given time unless you get an unlucky fire wave from zuk. Har-Aken has a very specific rotation with which adren sapping specs he does, so my advice is be safe but if you find yourself 4-5 cycling maybe you should take a risk and stay closer (in your sun or ds) than usual so you don’t waste 5-7 more minutes than you need to. Although being safe and surviving is very important. Other than that good video

[@JackTheGames]

Just got the notification 4hrs late thanks youtube.. at work but knowing it's a great video jumping in now to leave a comment and like and put it on the watch list

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Hope u enjoy it later on :)

[@edogrod7791]

has anyone else noticed the lack of magic tank armour that one can purchase for decently high level pvm? the only tank armour u can buy is seasinger.... and being non augmentable unless you do 8 months of ports for superior... wich is ridiculous but ports is another story.. even achto will take you months to get doing beast master everyday. and still it isnt the best tank armour and with cryptbloom being 1.6b for a set most players will not be able to chuck that out including 1.4b for seismics... i would like to see superior versions of sea singer and the other ports armours sold as a upgrade kit like zuriels. that way if you want to pay 50-60m budget end players will have a decent augmentable mage tank set.

[@starlord225]

There's also an archeology relic that can be used to unlimited run energy. This would be at the cost of other potential PvM relics, but might be worth it.

[@Kranon]

That's great if you're running magic with the Relics: Conservation of Energy and Fury of the Small. COE may not look like much, but, for magic is an absolute banger! Throw in a Weapon with Ultimatums 4 and Equip Your Ring of Vigour and you can save a ton of adren after using Igenous Omnipower. The Adrenaline savings are also insane with Tsunami and Incite Fear. Ranged doesn't really benefit that much from COE, and thanks to Hydrix Bolts adrenaline gain, Heightened Senses is the best relic.

[@pathrise_ice1968]

I was so thrown off. I didn't know that the waves before each challenge wave was vastly different

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Hahaha u get used to it quick

[@adamv4216]

hey protoxx! I was wondering if you could make an updated magic gearing guide :) love the vids!

[@ProtoxxGaming]

I saw ur message, forgot to reply. Ill revamp it after the next boss most likely! (Summer)

[@SearedBite]

Still can't do a 1 trip normal mode run lol i need to get cryptbloom

[@cfortner100]

Excellent guide. But would ne nice to know what abilities for certain moments at pizza stage. Just because I feel they be more tough than NM . Even though I pull through NM easily

[@Dip-it]

Ya that sounds like a good plan to have before going into it

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Pizza mode is the exact same as NM :P

[@cfortner100]

@@ProtoxxGaming thank you

[@lnspector]

Prtoxx, in wave 5 sometimes Omnipower will splash on the combat dummy, do you know the reason for this? Great guide btw!

[@taimooratif007]

Great guide, very well dissected and explain. Can you just clear one thing? For the Pizza phase (Zuk), do the 3 igneous mobs also have double hp, or is it the same as NM?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

same hp as normal mode funnily enough :p

[@taimooratif007]

@@ProtoxxGaming great. Thanks for the reply that was very quick xD. Also, it's Dragonia VII here, dunno if you remember me 😂

[@molyoxide164]

Ik you say it was easy for you but I’m over here trying to translate all this 🤣🤣

[@idie4dyes]

Gz on cape

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Thanks!

[@vitorpardini6421]

I saw a guy in pvme discord which could do hm zuk consistently with full achto + t92 wand and t90 defender and ripper demon.

[@tomyan1532]

The final phase for Zuk, when you running around and damage the stone. Do you need to keep pressing the skill bar while running? Or isn't it automatic dmg the stone while u running.

[@MattRS_]

You will need to manually use abilities.

[@darianlalla8322]

the trick with the dummy can also be done with the dummies from treasure hunter correct?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

i don't see why not.

[@brandonallen9630]

Do I have to keep clicking back on the pillar to attack and run around?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Nope! Just click to move and mash your keys

[@lucasduarte1603]

I'm trying to kill zuk hard mode with melee, but i need to get better at lure them to safe spots

[@zukodude487987]

What gear?

[@VulcanHyperion]

Considering I can't dps the minions on pizza phase half the time, I'm pretty sure this cape is unobtainable for me.

[@paulconklin1429]

What’s your issue? Are you having issues getting to the minion quickly?

[@VulcanHyperion]

Oddly enough I got gud and now the minions aren't the problem anymore. Got all three capes, but hardmode zuk. I can't clear challenge 1 and can't kill zuk. The video leaves out how he has one less auto attack as well.

[@VulcanHyperion]

@@paulconklin1429 nah but I still don't understand how people can use surge. It just throws me wherever even after I target the enemy

[@paulconklin1429]

@@VulcanHyperion don’t use surge. When he says flames consume you. Use freedom so he won’t stun you. Then you can easily walk to the first minion and the rest just walk to them as well. Just stay near zuk if you can.

[@willykarger9824]

can you tell me what the spell is called where you deal damage in a radius where some ice pickles come out of the ground?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

runescape.wiki/w/Incite_Fear It's this spell, and automatically does the ice thing. It's unlocked from the city of senntisten quest

[@willykarger9824]

@@ProtoxxGaming thanks for the answer! now Im heading to get arch to lvl 74 for the quest and the ring :)

[@StyIoire]

Does the North-Western safespot provide something over the South-Eastern safespot (used in NM alot iirc)?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

I feel like its easier to avoid the flames this way and return to your spot without getting clustered

[@thegoaty6194]

Turn game sounds on? the game has sound?

[@ronb7189]

If not going for a flawless run how doable is this with Range? I made my character to be a Ranger/Melee character for role playing reasons lol, I dont really wanna change that even if that means not getting the cape, I still want to beat hard mode Zuk thou.

[@ProtoxxGaming]

It's absolutely possible. Use onyx bak bolts (e) to save on food. You'll just have to worry more about running out of supplies

[@Ericito241]

I don't have magic gear nor do I want to spend money on magic gear, is it possible with range, but I could get Gano and cywir wand and orb would that be better

[@janitorizamped]

You definitely don't need magic. But magic is the easiest.

[@Kranon]

Yes, the only challenging part would be to correctly lure the mobs for the hardest Waves, WasWere has an amazing guide for a HM Run (although he does it with Magic), and Wazzy has the Ranged Guide you may be looking for. That being said, for the first Challenge (Wave 5) you may want to bring a Combat Dummy MK-II and use GRico under the Split Soul Effect. Otherwise bring an EOF with the Rune Throwing Axe spec Stored (alongside your Dark Bow EOF). Your gear should look like Obsidian Ranger's Helm, Sirenic/Elite Sirenic Chest and Legs, Fleeting Boots (or Enhanced Fleeting Boots), Cinderbane Gloves and a Ring of Vigour/TokKul-Zo. I wanna say the ECB isn't a hard requirement, but the Spec is just too good to not use here, also the Onyx & Hydrix Bakriminel Bolts will be absolutely amazing here. In my experience, if you can do Raksha without Food, you can definitely, definitely do this.

[@Ericito241]

@@Kranon wow. Thanks for your reply very detailed, I can do raksha no food so I'll give it a try and check that guy ranged video, thanks again

[@Eyes0penNoFear]

@@Ericito241 let us know how it goes.

[@gertverjaert6593]

You don't need turtling on your shield, or even resonance, on the 3rd challenge if you activate barricade just before the first minion hits you.

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Turtling is more of a safety net for people who don't do it on tick.

[@gertverjaert6593]

@@ProtoxxGaming I thought so :) Thanks for the great guide btw

[@Ceritoriari]

i'm confused, why did your omnipower chain to all the enemies in the first challenge?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Greater chain ability (its an upgrade)

[@cfortner100]

Thank uuu

[@d3l3t3d5]

What familiar did you use? Gz on the flawless hm

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Mammoth, but had about 16 food left on 2nd run

[@philippepaquin537]

Would you know why sometimes Omnipower hits the dummy and sometimes it just does nothing?

[@kakobilmax4074]

u need to hit it with greater chain first

[@lnspector]

I'm having the same problem, have you found an answer for this?

[@philippepaquin537]

@@lnspector yeah i think you got to use greater chain first

[@lnspector]

@@philippepaquin537 You're right, ty!

[@lnspector]

Also I don't know if you've done a HM kill but do you know does he keep running and attacking Conduit of Ful without clicking on it? tyvm

[@MrBalor89]

For the 1st challenge, do the minions also have double hp? I've done flawless runs on normal mode, the thing holding me back from trying hardmode is exactly the same as you said: fear of failure

[@ProtoxxGaming]

They do have double hp yes, that's why Gchain and the dummy make it so much easier than without it

[@MrBalor89]

@@ProtoxxGaming Thanks for the answer!

[@Ridins]

well i see protox has chosen to merch greater chain lol jk

[@justcallmetruth8219]

Just bring a stamina pot for the end boys. 1 sip is all you'll need

[@Kranon]

Or the Ogre Flask with salt water. (The blue one).

[@klausschaap1834]

I cant even kill Jad 😥

[@demetriocelocia5545]

Can you use deathtouch?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Nope, doesnt work on Zuk

[@simptrix007]

Took me 2 hours to get kill not even cape I felt so pissed off killing this boss with melee.

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Melee is hell here

[@zukodude487987]

What gear?

[@Ian1329]

New d3ath cost w00t

[@Discokrieg]

Wew, this'll take me a while to get all this stuff which will make it even more satisfying because I'm an ironman.

[@Kranon]

In my experience, you can do just fine with Cywir Dual Wields camping, GChain, Gconc, Ganodermic, obsidian Mage Helm, Boots and Cinderbanes. The TokKul-Zo, also helps a lot for the mobs, then a Ring of Vigour as a Ring switch. The issue isn't necessarily your gear but positioning appropriately throughout the waves.

[@Discokrieg]

@@Kranon I will abide by that information, thank you.

[@abdulazizhassan6656]

Tbh is you can do i can do it tnx for motivation

[@FireFalzar97]

If u going to put rune pouch for wt u using,it would be great if u show us wt runes do u have inside the pouch

[@lambosnicko]

Runes for animate dead and incite fear/ exsanguinate obviously….

[@StyIoire]

From PVME: pouch 1 - blood/astral/body/fire pouch 2 - death/earth/law/cosmic pouch 3 - chaos/air/water/soul this should provide you with all runes needed for spells used during PVM

[@brndn9423]

no lmao use google

[@Shlippi]

Glad to see that my bullying was successful :^) Sib 30 minutes when?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

When I get FSOA of course. Ty for bullying me into it btw

[@jeffmennega1724]

Seems not to hard, but i keep failing 1st dps check 🤣

[@jeffmennega1724]

1 year ago. We try agaib tomorrkw

[@xaviersuv791]

​@@jeffmennega1724did you do it?

[@shainewinter8264]

On your second try? Damn

[@juantuning3]

why cade for pilar, just Reso -> Disruption Shield -> Reso -> Reflect

[@zukodude487987]

WOW SO EASY AND SIMPLE! Just be rich and have a whole lot of stuff... I could afford it, but id rather stick to melee

[@Tacid_Krios]

You need to invest in order to make bank, something like hard mode zuk is meant to be done after you've worked your way up from easier feats

[@zukodude487987]

@@Tacid_Krios Nah, i have a decent hax money maker already hence why i no longer bother.

[@PercivalKing]

So range is just that difficult eh? Mage items are just so dang expensive

[@Mr011i3]

Mage tank armour with animate dead can be so much damage reduction

[@PercivalKing]

@@Mr011i3 yeah, I have cryptbloom. But only have SoS and can't afford dual wield.

[@turdyberry4244]

@@PercivalKing get greater conc, cyriw wand and virtus book. This combo does more damage than the SoS. Can bring staff as a switch but dual wield will give u more damage

[@Mr011i3]

@@PercivalKing The safety that comes with the crypt and animate dead makes the lack of gconc and dw less problematic. As long as you can phase pizza and kill the challenge monsters, mage is generally considered better purely for the animate dead.

[@PercivalKing]

@@turdyberry4244 Tbh, if I had the gp I would. But I'm dry AF thanks to Jagex.

[@link560633]

Ah shit here we go again. Merching.

[@Kranon]

Get your Igneous Kal Zuk for the incredible price of 3 Bloated Toads!

[@brndn9423]

yo mom merched my dlck

[@link560633]

@@brndn9423 sounds like it's time for a diaper change

[@Str0nlyStr_]

Not looking forward to trying this with 55 def :D

[@AsianRailgun]

You'll need Disruption Shield if you can't use cade

[@Str0nlyStr_]

@@AsianRailgun Ye glad i do have that.

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Its going to very tough, good luck!

[@Super_Death]

Every tutorial now a days is always magic focused with animate dead, smh. There's also melee and ranged people! Stop being lazy with easy scape

[@crippledepre9539]

The question “how do I do x boss?” Now has one answer. “East peasy - just buy cryptbloom and suddenly every boss is trivial” I didn’t care about this at first but it’s becoming kind of a force…

[@Kranon]

I feel it's fine, Cryptbloom is the best "Learner's Amour", that means Jagex can design their bosses with no holds barred now, so if people find a boss to be too difficult, just slap Cryptbloom and get some kills. However, it takes talent to get faster kills and Cryptbloom doesn't offer that. I think that's healthy for the game going forward and i expect a considerable difficulty increase in the future.

[@ProtoxxGaming]

I too, didn't see a reason to buy cryptbloom but for stuff like this it's fantastic.

[@crippledepre9539]

@@Kranon yeah but what learner has 2.5b ?

[@ardechey]

@@Kranon I so strongly agree with this. Many players are out off even trying pvm because it can be overwhelming. Cryptbloom let’s people try out more content and eventually swap it out with dps armour. Great for getting more people into pvm. It’s kinda pricy for the average player that needs it. That’s the only issue.

[@danielb7711]

Sadly im still too dumb for hardmode… and this is the point were i get depressed…

[@ProtoxxGaming]

it's practice and also very much so having good gear. How many times have you tried so far?

[@danielb7711]

@@ProtoxxGaming at least 10 times?

[@Powerofghostwot]

The damage boost you get from incense sticks is almost as bad as grim. In general you went through no wave guides positioning or anything else. The whole thing feels low quality. Unless you are bridding solak, kerapac ( in duos ) there is no need for you to get the hm capes. If someone if trying to learn how to do the hm zuk then taking over a hour and camping 1 spot is in general bad practice since you’ll be wanting to go for this as money making. Not meaning to shit on you but this is by far one of the lowest quality guides and videos you have put out. There could have been more valuable information conveyed by just copy and pasting the rs3 wiki guide into a text to speach software. If anything does want to try to learn hm zuk please use this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGqVoHx6dr1nhcU

[@bewarako]

He literally said that it was for those wanting to get the kill in hm.. why are you being so salty?

[@astephanc]

I disagree, you're being way too harsh. I watched the other guide and he doesn't go in-depth on gear/switch/potion/food set up at all. Protoxx on the other hand makes sure you know what to bring and in what instance those items are useful. For beginners or mid tier PVMers I'd go with this guide any day.

[@janitorizamped]

So if I can't do it in under an hour, I shouldn't go for the cape? Are you ok?

[@ProtoxxGaming]

The description says this isn't a full wave by wave guide. If you can get a flawless NM kill you already should be comfortable with the trash mobs. There's no need for fancy luring with animate dead, you stick to that rock and kill off the mobs that can immediately attack you (focusing the ranger like I said in the video). You will barely need to use food, if any with the exceptions of wave 8/11/12. Covering lures may be useful, sure. However I do truly believe that it makes a guide unnecessarily complex and there are already full uncut guides out there. This guide covers everything you need to know to get your kill like I did as a filthy casual in a short time frame.

[@Kranon]

The Guide you linked is AMAZING, i saw it on Reddit a while ago and it helped me get through the first challenge wave flawlessly. I didn't read the rest of the comment though haha.

[@BLACKGHOST21100]

Way to surge prices of penance even more

[@ProtoxxGaming]

Well they are just great for stuff like this

[@Kranon]

I mean, it's people's fault they didn't farm them when Het's Oasis was Hot. People was too busy trash talking about it to buy the Golden Roses from the ones that actually engaged in it. I made about 3,000 Powders and now i don't know what to do with so many of them!