How To Get A HUGE BASS Drum Sound

In today's video I show you my favorite ways to get a HUGE Bass Drum Sound. We will discuss Bass Drum sizes, Types and Tunings. For musicians and producers alike.
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[@GlenBerry]

What John Bonham was to rock drumming, Rick Beato is to quality KZbin content!

[@alcondragon]

Absolute truth

[@duranacepatterson5442]

and also a cool dude

[@cj_ssfsm]

Love Bonham but hes worshipped to much for his band stealing all those songs.

[@shaunaweisman1119]

@@cj_ssfsm LMFAO... Really? Oh please, tell us ALL the songs that the band stole. Thanks for the good laugh. It's always fun to see people such as yourself in which you read an article about something and then right away you talk about something that YOU yourself have no clue about !!! ....So please, tell us how (John Bonham is worshipped too much for his band stealing all those songs)............ You're statement here says that John Bonham is worshipped for stealing songs. (ALL THOSE SONGS)................ Now, since you have all this knowledge, please list whomever is worshipping him, and then list ALL the songs he stole. Hurry up, you should know all this already right? Make sure you run and Google the song list lol..................... Then tell us who killed Kennedy, who killed Jimmy Hoffa, which planet the space aliens are coming from and what pills you are taking.......................... Ahahahahahaha, Oh man, get the popcorn ladies and gents, this should be a good one.................In fact, Rick Beato just called me, he is going to a special show on you! It's Called, (drum roll please, and not a stolen one) "What Makes Thumper baby Bambi Tick!"

[@averageotaku1993]

Keith Moon is better.

[@fandlpetroleum]

How the hell does RB know everything about everything? It's truly amazing how much he knows about whatever instrument he's talking about.

[@skyrice]

He's a professional music engineer/producer.

[@muriloninja]

It's in his interest and business to know! : )

[@Shane_Peoples]

Ithaca college

[@Krunnky]

Clearly cuz he's the man!

[@ezzong]

Years and years of experience, and his massive love for music

[@BH530711]

Your explanation + real world examples = perfection! Thanks, Rick... I always learn something when I watch your videos - high praise indeed!

[@eskilseter]

The shot at 2:16 is not a 22x22 kick - It's 22x36. It was built in cooperation with Saluda Cymbals and is highly customised for one specific drummer.

[@tobytoxd]

Yep. Right away it looked like 22x100.

[@jmwoods190]

The exact opposite of the popular concert bass drum size of 36x22"!

[@Amigaudio]

The deeper a tube, the lower the frequencies at which it resonates. That is why tubular bells produce lower pitched sounds when the bells are larger and/or thicker. So the reason a shorter bass drum may sound deeper is because of the second membrane resonating more in phase with the first one. A deep bass drum (say 22 inch) may act as a helmholtz resonator which cancels out low frequencies.

[@myyoutube1978]

Dude Layin down that knowledge

[@agmsmith4079]

Correct. A deeper drum has a more “tuned” note to it because of the resonance while a shorter drum has more overtones/harmonics. The overtones make it feel more explosive and allow lower frequencies below the resonance of the tube to be more pronounced. To use an analogy, a really shallow drum is more like a thunder sheet (lots of incongruent harmonics) while a really long/deep drum is more like blowing air over a big bottle (helmholtz resonator). In my own 30+ years of experience recording drums (and playing them) the deeper the drum the more pronounced the resonant frequency of the shell is and the more limited the tuning range is (the drum chokes more when tuned outside a resonance of the tube). But man, when you turn them to match one of their resonance frequencies, WOW!! Super loud, super round tone, and tons of sustain, very ringy. Tuning them outside/away from a resonant frequency makes then very short/choked and they can sound extremely punchy, like that heavy metal super punchy sound with almost no sustain. Shallow drums have the choking and ringing in relation to their resonant frequency to a lesser effect, so you can get a more consistent sound over a wider range of tuning but it’s neither super choked/punchy nor is it super ringy. Anyway that has been my experience.

[@KinProductions]

Rick! I would have liked to hear a back-to-back demonstration to hear the difference properly! And maybe also have a drummer demonstrate on your kit because it's hard to compare all these different drummers that have their kit mic-ed up so differently!

[@georgewhite1972]

"Burying the beater" really sounds like a euphemism to me :)

[@esigman1]

Your mom buries the beater

[@CrandMackerel]

As does "choking the head"...as in "when you bury the beater, it chokes the head".

[@Havron]

@@CrandMackerel Choking the head is what you resort to when you can't find opportunities to bury the beater.

[@ryanlachurrerra4044]

Ew

[@coinraker6497]

Who else read "Huge Bass Drum Sound" and knew he was gonna talk about THE MAN.....JOHN HENRY BONHAM!!!

[@f67739]

you pretty much have to talk about bonzo when you're discussing huge fat drums

[@canturgan]

Imagine the moment when Page first heard him playing and thought to himself, he'll do.

[@taunoctua245]

@@canturgan That is about how it happened. He called Peter Grant and said, "You should hear this drummer I met".

[@theDeathJoy]

Extremely deep bass drums have in fact more bottom end, however it is inaudible for human ears. 20" deep bass drums allow for larger soundwaves. However those waves become subsonic, AKA bass you can no longer hear. That's why it appears to have less bottom end.

[@jayjay1drum1skate]

I knew that Bonham would be the first drummer mentioned in this vid! lol

[@moparmatthew77]

Rock n Roll Thunder God !!!! 🙏🍷😎

[@jotapecu]

Hey Rick. Phil Collins was a master with his Ludwig Speed King pedal. Listen The whole "The Lamb..."

[@queenpurple8433]

My kick is 20 diameter 28 depth lmao xD but I don’t have trouble getting low end out of it

[@CoomerGremlinDGGfan]

Is it boomy?

[@codysimpson5522]

I'm not sure there is another human on this Earth that knows more about music than Rick.

[@fishypaw]

I'm not a drummer but I play bongos occasionally. I totally get the lifting and burying the beater*, or as we "bongo players" call it your *hand. :)

[@davidleewrath6919]

Step 1: Resurrect John Bonham or Cozy Powell Step 2: Enjoy

[@yourmomsdaddy9130]

Yes, Cozy always deserves a mention! There's some drummers out today that I could name from just listening, Igor Cavalera is the first, Lombardo, Groehl, McBrain. But Bonham and Cozy are legendary.

[@RC32Smiths01]

I got a drum set about a month ago, so such a video was perfect timing! I would really love to see you make more drum content in the future!

[@DHarri9977]

There quite a few good tunning videos on youtube, check out the DW factory tunning clip he goes thru the toms, snare, and bass drum.

[@RC32Smiths01]

@@DHarri9977 ahh I definitely appreciate that my man! Will check out

[@RC32Smiths01]

@@DurfMcAllister ahh thank you for the best wishes and the recommendations!

[@bozziovai]

can you please change the name of your channel to Rick Beato INSTITUTE. so much knowledge in every video release .....

[@silentskystudios]

I discovered some of what you touch on this video a few years ago, when I was surprised to discover that my vintage early 70's Rogers 20" x 14" bass drum produces more low end that a couple of my newer 22" x 18" kick drums. Also, if you're using a front/resonant head on your bass drum, it makes a difference where you cut the port hole. If you get the hole too close to the center of the head, the kick will sound too dry and dead without much resonance at all. I had a kick drum that I thought for years had a problem with the shell (out of round, bad bearing edges, etc.), but I eventually found out the only problem was that the port hole was cut too close to center on the resonant head!

[@ajmpatriot4899]

I always thought Alex Van Halen’s deep bass drums were for looks

[@tfwnoyandere]

they are to distract from his inability to play

[@HUK38]

Well, I play 22" birch shells which are 20" deep. They provide a rich and deep sound that makes me happy. They are tuned very low with almost losened skins. Both skins are tuned as equaly as possible.

[@waitomo1996]

I've seen too many live concert experiences ruined by sound technicians who allow the miked bass drum to drown out the bass guitar.

[@lorenzo6mm]

yes. HORRIBLE Except the bass GUITAR (SUB) freq' s today are actually interfering MORE with the kick/bass drum lows. The LOWEST freq in ANY LIVE mix should be the kick/BASS drum and ABOVE that all the bass guitar freq's tones. Or any other instrument as well. Other wise its a pissing fight with two skunks in the room. And, SUB? the kind you can't hear anyway, only FEEL, less than 60 hz should be gone using the LOW cut filters. SUB only works REALLY FANTASTIC in low overall volume situations. 40 years of experience playing, recording and mixing live in all types of indoor and outdoor situations, has taught me this. Today, I watch vocalists and guitarists and even KEYBOARDS being drowned in SUB monsterous competing kick and bass guitar mixes. Not right. I even watched LIVE OUTDOOR ! ZZ Top's bass and kick drum war once live. The SUB delay was almost a full second off and it freaked them out on stage. One set later they we're gone.

[@davidmercer658]

All too often both bass drum and bass are too loud. The bass drum overpowers everything and the bass sounds like mush. You don’t need to feel the bass drum hit your chest. And the bass can have a nice sound, if only the sound people actually knew what they were doing.

[@tfwnoyandere]

tune bass and drum lower = problem solved

[@tfwnoyandere]

@@lorenzo6mm idiot, some bands bass go to 17 hz, the whole point is to feel the frequency. stop ruining music caveman

[@waitomo1996]

@@tfwnoyandere uh, no. You're suggesting the bass player come up with a new bassline that will fix this?

[@Johnny-cu4zi]

For me being a drummer I don't like a hole on resonant head on the bass drum and I like my shells to be maple/bubinga. Also having all drums with wood hoops.

[@lucasvongretsch3437]

Rick Beato’s content is amazing. The fact that he has a 1950’s Leedy kick drum is proof.

[@robertpalomaki]

22" x 14" wins every time.

[@KBP4]

PLEASE do one on getting a GREAT BASS GUITAR SOUND next

[@alex0589]

Get 14 inch thick bass, were you even listening?

[@KBP4]

@@alex0589 Ok Like humor .. But different.?. you Dumbass twit.. I'm asking the guru guy to do a tutorial on BASS GUITAR in the future> Can't you read? ..

[@domagojoinky8262]

Get a great sounding bass first and record DI and amp sound. Hire a great bass player so you get a nice bass line. You would prefer he or she to play with a pick cause it has more definition.0 Fingers also work nice, but sound needs more compresion. Add some EQ and compression on both tracks, use DI for low end and amp for colour. Then, if you want make a third track with hpf on 200Hz and some gentle distortion or/and stereo chorus that gives some movement, you do not want to hear the chorus, but you want only to feel like the bass is wider and bigger.

[@svtbass]

@@domagojoinky8262 Im fine. There are others that could use some help.. I already have a few Platinum records, and a dozen Gold discs on my walls from my nearly 40 years of recording in NYC, Nashville, LA as well as touring.. My track record is great, no PUN intended.. I have a few great basses with a REDDI DI, an Evil Twin DI, ampeg B -12 with RE20 mic and RME interface for my home studio. There are kids that take lessons from me or come gigs that play that watch THIS Beato guy online. And it would be helpful to THEM and ALL if they got a Tutorial for themselves to WATCH from the Beato guy of HOW TO... Back in the days when you are referring it was mostly DI.. DI is still fin.but in Nashville more guys are MIC'ING amps and using SVX plugins for bass.. Even some KEMPER .. I use a KEMPER on some live shows. SO . a video by Beato would be helpful to many of the kids today that want to make their HOME laptop Productions sound better than just a whirlwind DI into a laptop... I just did a record with an artist that did a #40 hit on her laptop setup. Its 2019 now. Thing have changed since I started on TAPE in a studio in N Jersey House of Music

[@revylokesh1783]

Ask Lars Ulrich...

[@carlossoliz4062]

Love this explanation. I do both techniques unconsciously but I never knew that my body adjusted depending on how fast I was playing. Rick knows his stuff and that’s due to his experience

[@SalvvOrtiz]

Rick, when are you going to analyze Ringo Star's drumming?

[@nbt3663]

He did a little bit a few videos back... On drums. 😉

[@SalvvOrtiz]

@@nbt3663 Thanks!

[@budgiecat2885]

How to get a HUGE Bass Drum sound: get huge bass drums

[@chriszichriszable]

came here for this, was not disappointed!

[@nonahyobusiness8063]

Important to note that John Bonham was heavily influenced by Carmine Appice... just sayin'... :)

[@chrisjohnson4165]

He was more influenced by Joe Morello.

[@patrickmoroney9754]

@@chrisjohnson4165 and a small bit by buddy rich

[@TeemAndreau-Leautes]

Good vid, though there's quite a bit he didn't cover (head types, drum dampening and mic placement).

[@RickBeato]

The reason is because I already have about 10 videos covering those things.

[@SonorGeek05]

I have a Sonor Designer series with the Maple Light shell. The 22x18" sounds like a cannon.

[@billbobagginsbonham9239]

It would have been "NICE" to talk about how you added pads or muffling, or what you keep in the kick drum??????

[@Leofred2000]

So how would a 12x26 drum sound or even a 10x26?

[@Sugarsail1]

the bass on "whole lot of love" sounds like crap IMHO. Too splatty not boomy or big. Having owned numerous bass drums including a 26" Grestch, I think the length to diameter ratio is more important than merely diameter. Deeper 22" bass drums can be made to sound big and boomy without being splatty and tight and poppy if needed. They are versatile which is why they sell so well. Due to dealing with low freqs the room quality is paramount as well and can make or break any bass sound. The 26" shallow bass is hard to tame and has a lot of splatty overtones and tendencies which you can hear in "whole lot of love" but sounds OK in "Fool in the Rain"

[@dnromeoalphayankee13]

"WHOOOOOO" Whole Lotta Love 🤘🍺👍

[@andyznuff]

The elongated bass drum thing is terrible for punch. I cringe when I see those stupid things.

[@DHarri9977]

Alex Van Halen liked using the really deep bass drums his style and sound was unique in terms of signifying his identity.

[@bangermccrusher]

Dharri AVH has been imo underrated

[@arunashamal]

lol... AVH was using trigger pads

[@GeoffBosco]

AVH is underrated but there's a reason why no one mentions his kick sounds. Not that they're bad, or anything. But his snare/Tom sounds were just more iconic.

[@davidleewrath6919]

@@GeoffBosco His snare and cymbals are insane.

[@matthewpaluch777]

@@davidleewrath6919 The "ORIGINAL BROWN" sound!

[@lifeintornadoalley]

I have a 26x16 I think or 26x18. (Ludwig rockers) I love it. So punchy

[@TomGrubbe]

So is burying the beater like palm muting on guitar?

[@alex0589]

yes, it should be called toe-muting or "My knee hurts, leave me alone"

[@jonpowell4157]

It's actually a mode for a tone. It's easier to play loud rock /fast/semi fast music by burying it than it is for bouncing it off. As Beto said not burying is great for slow songs by constantly not burying it. I kind of use a combo like if I'm playing fast music but it's not quite so fast but if I still want to have power I'll bury it sort of halfway. Especially if the mic signal is compressed or limited to studio or PA. A power trio drummer most likely plays toe down. However, a band like "rage" is that way but not during soft sections.

[@emancia]

Very nice. But the air not moving fast enough through long drums doesn't really make any sense. That's almost like saying there's air only at the beater side of the drum, or in electricity, like thinking that electrons flow through wires that are "empty". That's not the case in either: as soon as the beater hits the skin, the air pressure in the drum will increase and some of it will be propelled outside immediately through any opening, it doesn't have to be the same air right at the skin that hit the beater. Same with electricity: wires have electrons randomly flowing and as soon as you close a circuit and they get pushed from one side they will try to flow elsewhere.

[@aidanschuttler4371]

TOP 20 DRUM INTROS!!!

[@meanmrmusician9469]

The Ohio Players - "I Wanna Be Free"

[@wizmos74]

Where eagles dare - Iron Maiden

[@tfwnoyandere]

reflections - isolation

[@pupdowg420]

I have a 22 by 22 Ayotte. By for the best kick drum I or any sound engineer who as ever heard it live or recording has ever heard.

[@gretschludwigdrummer209]

Bonham's thermo kit was a 26"x15" not 14" more video's about drums please !!!

[@TeemAndreau-Leautes]

Gretsch Drummer interesting! I've been a huge Bonham fan and vintage drum collector/user (my first kit was an early 70's Bonham set up in white marine pearl bought in the mid 80's) and I've owned hundreds of vintage drums and this is the first time I've heard he had a 26x15! Thanks for the info!

[@gretschludwigdrummer209]

@@TeemAndreau-Leautes Yep it was a15" deep kick check out Bonzoleum channel

[@TeemAndreau-Leautes]

Gretsch Drummer yeah, I found an article online of someone finding who has that kit and they measured it - 15" deep. So interesting, I learned something new today!

[@BillRayDrums]

Here's a tip to help prevent the "burying of the beater"- pull your foot back on the pedal, so the ball of your foot is closer to the hinge. It'll take some messing around with it to find your "spot", but that small alteration will make it easier to not bury the beater. Contrary to the shape of the pedalboard, your entire foot does not need to fit on the pedal. The pedal is a seesaw and you're using your foot to activate various balance and leverage points. Happy exploring!

[@steverichdrummr]

Exactly correct. I learned this when I was about 12. I cannot stand the sound of a bury beater technique. Always played from the middle of so of the board. Hit, and let it sing, 100%! I can't even do the other way when I try.

[@Justme77400]

Jojo Mayer!!! Wow!!! I have to look him up. Impressive!!

[@EthnHayabusa]

My favorite. Total monster.

[@m1k3g3tz]

@Justme77 - look for the band Nerve - Jojo's d&b project. they have been doing amazing live d&b for over 20 years.

[@FFM0594]

Buy a huge bass drum. Saved you 5 minutes.

[@Familyguy91091]

I love Rick's "Woo"s when he hears a nice drum or guitar riff.

[@Thedrummersalmanac]

Been a drummer for for over 30 years and Rick nailed it in the head... no pun intended.

[@RickBeato]

Haha!!!

[@jasonroy1141]

Rick, thank you very much for this fascinating lesson! Very interesting!!!

[@MarkWladika]

Why no Ginger?

[@asdf072xxp]

Wow. Being a drummer, NO ONE ever wants to talk about playing off of the head. I think it makes a huge difference in sound, but it's much harder to control so everyone ignores it. Way to go, Mr Producer.

[@doublestrokeroll]

I was always taught that burying the beater was simply bad technique. Just like you wouldn't bury your sticks into the head. I put a Tommy Igoe quote above that essentially says if you're doing that stuff for effect then fine, but if you're doing it because you simply can't bounce it, then that's a technique issue.

[@DRUMALOTMEDINA]

I have a custom made bass drum size 22width × 28depth and the waves of the bass punch is mind blowing!

[@rcanderson4328]

Bonham was the man, the closest contemporary I can find is Jon Theodore. Theodore is a beast!

[@idonteatcheetos]

RC ANDERSON Dennis Chambers, too. Listen to his cover of Blue Matter and its like Bonham playing jazz fusion.

[@hihats]

Bonham's bass drum sounds like fireworks going off...BOOM!

[@cartoune]

The 20s have this almost pre-compressed tightness and punch that I love. They don't sound as low as shorter kicks, but but I've noticed lower kick frequencies all but disappears anyways in the mix, especially on live shows. Great example of a great live kit that's 22x20 is Chris Pennie playing for Coheed and Cambria during their Neverender tour live videos. It's a tight transient and the low end is super satisfying. It may not be popular anymore, but I'm team 20 all the way.

[@Yannleon_video]

So inspiring to listen to John Bonham. When I was young, I could not afford a drum.... so I ended up with a guitar! I think I can finally jump in the drum wagon 30 years later! :)

[@sharonchristian786]

4 dislikes from beatboxers lol

[@CordScott]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't like the JB kick drum sound. Like all vintage drum sounds, it sounds boxy to me.

[@frankspikes4867]

Entresting view point. I'm curious to know what your definition of boxy is. When I think of a boxy bass drum sound, I think of modern gospel, and r&b. Everything drum wise in those genres is boxy. All the tones are tight, and quick. The focus is on attack, and not on resonance. I'm not a fan.

[@CordScott]

@@frankspikes4867 Can you give me an example in that genre? To me the JB sound lacks at around 60hz and has too much low mid. The sound is somewhat distant too. I don't think vintage records sound good (an neither do a lot of the most recent records). Drums on old records just sound thin to me.

[@frankspikes4867]

@@CordScott For gospel check out Fred Hammond, or kirk franklin. Donny Mclurkin as well. These are all modern gospel artists. Also check out snarky puppy. Check out aaron Spears, Eric moore, Matt Gartska. Excellent players, I don't like the way thier drums sound. When I play out, most of the time I'm not micd. So I don't muffle my drums except the snare. Single ply heads, top and bottom of toms. Power stroke 2, on the kick batter side, single solid head on the reso side of my kick. All drums are tuned to bebop tension. Very lively, warm, big sound. Anti boxy!! If you check out early heart tunes. Early Montrose, early Y&T. You'll see what I'm talking about. Also check out jazz greats like Art blakey, Max Roach, Joe Morello. I love the way these guys drums sound.

[@joemisek]

Rick Beato knows everything. He's gonna put out a video on cross stitching and everybody's grandma will subscribe.

[@mostpeoplearebots]

in what universe did howie mandel make a drum video?? @5:20

[@billycuthrell3609]

I don't know Rick, I've got a Noble and Cooley kit with a 22X20 BD and I consistently hear from trades folk (engineers, producers, FOH/monitor mixers and other musicians) and non-trades (audience folk, or as I say "non-musician civilians") how deep and low the BD is. It also depends on number of plys, mic placement, head selection and tuning, and to your point, playing styles (i.e. burying the beater in the head). Same with snares. I've got several work horse snares that can go high or low and I can get a nice middle ground if needed. Over the years I've recorded albums with "jellybean" drum sets where the toms were from a different manufacturer and different color than the bass drum, floor toms and snare. Cymbals were a mix too, so I may have played a few Sabians with a vintage Paiste, Zildjian, Istanbul or Bosphorus thrown in the mix. At the end of the day it's about the sound we're looking for, right?

[@GNVS300]

FYI, you accidentally put this in the 'What Makes This Song Great' playlist

[@porcelainthunder2213]

Want a huge DEEP bass drum sound? Its all in the heads. Evans hydraulic two-ply oil filled batter side, single ply resonant side (with our without port) single felt strip on batter head, nothing on reso. Tune batter head a to a medium tension, fairly tight reso. Then the secret, back off the top two lugs on the batter head just about until it wrinkles. For dampening, place a pillow inside and adjust against heads to get desired decay. Sounds amazing, especially mic'd int the port.

[@porcelainthunder2213]

@@p0llenp0ny its necessary to get rid of too much ringing since the reso head is fairly tight. You need to adjust it so that it isnt dampening too much. Its critical for live performance when the drum is mic'd, especially when using a double pedal.

[@linoleum1979]

Good info! Was hoping to get a little more about the different sizes and maybe hearing demos/examples of how to approach recording with each size.

[@verticaldude]

My Recipe Superkick 2 Batter Remo Renaissance Front 4” Felt Strip No Hole

[@Mario_DiSanto]

Felt strip with no hole is the only way I play these days.

A true master is Kiko Freitas, using both techniques (in a samba groove to have an exemple). Look up the "O Ronco da Cuíca Drumcam" video. It's awesome!

[@jpwill75]

If you went with a shallower-than-14" kick drum, would it result in a crisper, higher tone? Would it sound too much like a tom at that point?

[@raymondlugo9960]

I'm guessing so. Those picalo snare drums I can't stand are shallow

[@anthonyk.slater9933]

Nothing beats a closed head on the front of the drum, and using a 2 to 4 inch felt strip vertically to one side!! I always tune the front head higher than the beater side, in which gives me more volume and a great low end thud! Port holes were created for not so talented sound guys, who had no clue how to MIC a closed head in the front bassdrum.

[@antibejbi]

Amen brother! It took me 15 years almost do discover this old 'secret'. Now everyone is always wondering about this 'awesome deep thud kick sound' I get, which is actually an early 90s no-name beginners set with a 22'x14, tuned and muffled to above specs :D Felt strip with no foam/blankets FTw. Not to mention, the felt strips also dont get messed up during transportation, unlike foam and stuff inside of a closed drum...

[@RodBolt]

Well if that don’t beat all.

[@crazy8sdrums]

All of this was very good wisdom on how to get a HUGE BASS drum sound....but it is incomplete. I imagine this could be a 1st of maybe five in a series of videos on the subject. Maybe more. I have always suggested that drummers take one drum off into a room and make love to it....get real familiar with it. Take it's clothes off. Hug on it a bit. See how it likes it's tuning rods massaged. Try different outfits (heads) on it. Stuff it full of stuff, or just a little stuff, and no stuff at all. Do a bass drum by itself. A snare by itself. A tom-tom by itself. A floor tom by itself. Learn the subtleties and intricacies of every piece of drumset parts you have.

[@PooNinja]

Beater hardness or softness or the old tape a quarter to the drumhead trick 🤘🏽

[@alex0589]

Only if you like change

[@AndrewMasters]

A+ 14" is king

[@james5637]

*Looks over at my 24"x19" kickdrum* ...dammit, should have gone with the 14".

[@Kissfan96dr]

but it looks awesome and makes you a man!

[@bobisadrummer]

I was trying to decide between going with a 14" or 16" depth for my 20" kick and I think I'll go with 14" after watching this video.

[@madhatter2012]

I think you'll be happier with the 14". I play a 14 x 24 with a Remo clear pinstripe batter head. It gives a nice punch and is comfortable to play. Of course, a lot will hinge on how you tension the heads.

[@peterguidera7845]

Great clip from Steve Smith - thanks for sharing :-)

[@isitwasit8756]

So 6mins vid and not actually shown how to get a huge bass drum sound ...

[@RickBeato]

Only slow musicians don’t get it. Congrats turtle

[@isitwasit8756]

@@RickBeato oh right I get it now . You don't have time for beginners you arrogant condescending bell end ...

[@jamesshakespeare219]

@@isitwasit8756 I've loved ricks videos for ages, however after seeing and experiencing how he speaks to people who may have some critique on his videos I'm less of a fan.

[@gavinparsons5150]

As per, you give such an excellent insight into something that I didn't give enough thought to.Many many thanks for all your clips & videos. Love the gear you have. I posses 16 snares so that's the only thing I may out do you on?...… maybe not.Yes your clips are reaching me down here in the lost land of New Zealand (That's not part of Australia... Joke)Cheers.

[@vindivergilio3482]

Thanks, great video. Can you do some more on drums? I'm 52 and after playing guitar (lead, bass and rhythm) for years, I have recently "expanded" and started learning how to play drums 'properly' with an instructor. Thanks again and see you in the next one.

[@drumdiscussion7776]

Great video Rick! I have always preferred a 14" or less depth on a bass drum.

[@nickykeys3423]

I've seen 50 cent piece Sellotape to the beta or the drum and a blanket hanging off the front of the kick drum leading to a mic on the chair

[@TeemAndreau-Leautes]

nicholas stevens I was drum tech on a session where the producer taped a quarter to the bass drum mallet and a two dollar coin to the bass drum head - he called it the $2.25 kick sound!

[@MagnumMuscle1000]

Phil Collins' little 20" kick always sounded amazing. Whatever he did production wise really worked.

[@jonahmartinez4298]

Ginger Baker made his 20" and 22" bass drums sound massive. They varied from 12" to 14" in depth. He also made great use of pulling off and burying the beater.

[@flamenqueantesthedodges6372]

Hi guy! Is it expensive today To make sound a 🎸🎻 🥁💙 💚🇦🇨 with other percussions ! Harmonica And Soprano 🔻🔺 CounterTenor Voices !

[@jobaecker9752]

I've been burying the beater for over 40 years, and I am so ashamed.

[@raymondlugo9960]

Maybe try the double bass thing and see if that makes you balance on your throne and lift off the pedals to get ready for the next stroke.

[@Sebgeetarman]

Ah yes, the comically large kick drum

[@joristolhuijs3703]

"Ayo can I have a sample?" "Yeah but only a kick full."

[@alex0589]

(Nervous actor preparing to go onstage for 3-hour play: "maplepoplarmaplepoplarmaplepoplarmaplepoplarmaple...") This is really great, short and to the point. I couldve used this around 15 years ago!

[@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524]

Awesome! I love this channel for melody analysis and guitar but never had it down as a drum channel. More please!!!

[@landsea7332]

A correction here : the 14 x 24" bass drum is actually a " SlingerLeedy " Slingerland bought Leedy off of Conn circa 1956 . The shells were the identical shell on Slingerlands - only the hardware was different . It looks like it has the lighter blue oval badge ... if this is so , then it was made 1957-58 . These were pretty good drums . As mylar heads didn't became available until circa 1959 , this drum possibly originally came with calf skin heads . Recommend trying a calf skin head on the resonant side and an single ply Evans EQ1 on the batter side . No dampening on the inside of the drum . To point out , 3 ply shells and calf skin heads are highly susceptible to changes in humidity and temp . So they need constant re tuning ... but its worth it . . Also, shells on late 50's RadioKings were a bit different in that the re inforcement hoops were a bit wider . .

[@alexroutmaster]

Hi Rick With you on sizes i got bonham kit and 26" is amazing and band members know where i hit bass drum on bass hits is so true doing both styles helps with your playing. good video mate

[@loucontino4804]

Did he discuss heads, beaters and tuning? Maybe I missed it.

[@adorodrums]

hey.. somebody else who noticed.. nice..

[@patrickwayne9074]

This vid was awesome. I’m surprised he didn’t talk about all these different heads you can use and then of course different possible tunings.

[@gavinreid8351]

I don't even play drums.! Still enjoy though... Can you do a video on percussion.? Thanks.

[@BrianStephensOfficial]

Took me almost 25 years to figure out that the secret was that 14” depth. Now, I’ve got 6 different bass drums (of various diameters) in that depth & am about to have a 22x18 Gretsch Brooklyn bass drum cut down to a 14” depth. It’s THE starting point to getting that big sound, for sure!!

[@BrianStephensOfficial]

@@rainsong7327 For me, the sound of the 14" depth is more immediate in comparison. As I go from 14" depth, to 16" depth to 18" depth, if feels like the sound moves out in front of the kit more and more. But there's definitely a more compacted "punch" to the 14" depth.

[@keironmetcalfe567]

THANK YOU for using the CORRECT term - 'bass drum'. I have never intentionally 'kicked' any of my drums......

[@alex0589]

you havent been to the right gigs, then

[@TheWarriorSongProject]

long drum = way more highly compressable air to absorb pressure and energy.

[@markvandivier]

What was the point of the Yamaha bass drum if we didn't get to hear examples? I was hoping to hear all 3...

[@TheRover1977]

Rick, hit me up if you ever decide to sell that 26" Rogers bass drum! Been looking for one for a loooooong time.

[@ekirenrut]

"Whoo!" is right on that bonham groove. Nasty. Also, I'm neither a drummer nor an actual engineer, but this video was very enlightening. Thank you Rick! (I should've been an mp&e major!!)

[@charliebrown8180]

I got excited there thinking, “Are we going to FINALLY see Rick kill it on the drums?” Psych!!! We need a clip of you playing the drums.

[@adorodrums]

I love your content, but here I am a bit disapointed - you only scratched the issue, and went with some common missconception of the size of a drum being responsible for the huge drum sound, which is odd, bc you also mention how the 26" bd from Bonham was tuned really high. Most sound engineers - and drummers - struggle and I understand. When comparing different instruments, you usually never know what you compare; sizes are obvious, but as you mentioned the shell contruction and -material, it can influence the sound as well, as can the choice of drum heads, hole in front, or the tuning of the front head, which is often forgotten. And before I even go into detail, you quickly realize this is such a diverse and complicated issue, and I guess this is why people tend to abreiviate this and look for a simple solution, as "don't burry the beater for more low end and huge bass sound". While this is not untrue, it is just a fraction of the correct answer. But given the fact that in your video, the smallest kick is a 22", it might not have crossed your mind that a smaller kick can actually produce a huge sound too. I always cringe when people talk about drum sound, when in fact they end up talking about miking, disregarding the actual acoustic sound of the instrument at all. How do we get a huge Kick sound? Take anything that sounds lower than a snare drum, maybe a suitcase, or, hey, maybe a 22 or 26" kick drums, and now here is the important part: forget about the acoustic sound - for that you would use a good condenser from a few feet away - no, go INSIDE the instrument, something you never suggest for an actual good sounding acoustic instrument, as it changes the sound dramatically - and then use several mikes, most important a dynamic mike with large diaphragma as it is numb to high hiss requencies and will allow better seperation from other instruments as the snare, and something to capture the body of the drum, and then the sound gets assambled at the mixing console. We get free compression and low end boost by close miking, called "proximity effect". This technic is proven to work on anything that gives you some rumble, so why bother and use an instrument that actually sounds huge, acoustically? Sure, I have not expected a video on which kick drum would sound huge, you ain't no drum maker. sigh. Ok, yes, this subject is complex. Maybe too complex for a short video. I am just a bit disapointed that you did not even mentioned the fact that in studio Bonham played a smaller 22" kick, and the signature sound Bonham got famous for - the drum sound from "when the leeve breaks" was performed and recorded on a "tiny" 22" ludwig kick (and 12"/16" toms). This might have given away that the sound of the drums might not work the way we think- larger drum, larger sound. It is in fact the opposite. Ok, a 10" Kick won't sound larger than a 26, but you'd be surprised of the sound of a good16" kick, when you just hear the sample, you might think it is way larger. With growing diameter, the attack grows too, and overshaddows the tone of the drum, resulting in such dominant attack that you won't be able to hear the tone anymore, unless you mike the drum. With smaller drums, room mikes work best, as they sound acoustically often closer to what we want in a drum sound. A good example is the double platinum self titled album from "royal blood". Ben Thatcher, the drummer, used a drum set I built for him, so I know exactly what was used in the recordings (also for the second album btw; the recent one I was told, our drums were replaced with a different one; also, on this recording the acoustic drums were often replaced by samples. Sigh...). The drums were 20x17" kick (btw I 100% agree with you on the depth, but you cannot be much smarter than your customers, it is unbelieveable hard to sell a short sized kick today!), 12x8 Tom, 16x12 FT, with 5mm thin shells, no reinforcement rings (Kick: 6,5mm), all maple. A smaller set might still have sounded as huge, but would require the drummer to play less physical (loud drummers need drums that have more headroom). Anyhow, the sound engineers loved the sound so much, they used mainly the room mikes, so what you hear is actually how the drums acoustically sound. And this, dear people, is something so unusual, thus so common sense to all other instruments than drums. As mentioned, our drums got replaced (ben now plays major brands, for many reasons, none of them being sound). I always get the feeling drums are semi acoustic and are treated like a synth, with the mikes and mixing console and its effects being part of the instrument. And this makes any discussion about drum sound pretty much impossible... I'd love to chat with ya about your experiences with drum sounds in studio situations. I really love your approach, and I would like to know why in studios sound engineers never demand better sounding drums, while the studios are full of different guitars, basses and synths, amps and cabinets. By the same logic, any guitar, any bass and any cabinet would do, and everything else is subject to the right mike and signal chain.... So... why is that?