How to get SUPER FAT AND TIGHT 70’s DRUM SOUNDS In A Home Studio

[@AndrewMasters]

What drum sound is your favorite??

[@538stmusic]

Obviously fat and tight!

[@thebandwagon9337]

“Super fat and snug and just hmm”

[@thebandwagon9337]

I record drums in a 20’ enclosed trailer turned studio called the Band Wagon. Fat and tight is the only option but still working on getting it just right. Just did some acoustics Reno’s so 🤞

[@AndrewMasters]

Dang, that's awesome! Definitely forces creativity. I'd love to see a video on that situation!

[@thebandwagon9337]

Andrew Masters hah yeah sure does! Check out our channel if you like we got some stuff from our roadie last year. Made it from B.C. to LA, New Orleans, Key west and finally Nashville! Before I crashed the truck and had to skrrt home with a moving truck.

[@havespacesuitwilltravel9607]

Hi. Love the panels. I know this video is 3 years old now, but I thought I'd comment any way. I once had the very unique opportunity to acoustically treat multiple Dolby Atmos QC theaters side by side. I could walk out one theater door and in the other in a matter of steps which gave me yet another very unique opportunity. That was, as I was installing the acoustic treatments I was able to AB a treated room vs. an untreated room. I could also AB different treatment placements. This allowed me to determine the effectiveness of the placement of acoustic treatments. By far the single most noticeable difference in reducing flutter was to place treatments in the corners of the room. Anywhere that 3 planes converged, wall-wall-ceiling, was the most effective placement. In order from MOST to LEAST effective was, 1) wall-wall-ceiling, 2) Wall-Ceiling, 3) Wall. Certainly, treating the walls is important, effective and NOT a waste but I couldn't help notice those corners in your studio were left untreated. Just trying to help a brother out! And hopefully anybody else reading this picks up a trick or two as well. Especially since we are probably all on a budget, the tri-corners should be the FIRST thing you put money into. Rant complete!

[@DruGaTecH]

I'm an Acoustical Engineer and also an Audio Engineer. And I tell you pal. In my 20years of practice. I learnt a lot from this video. You just earned a sub.

[@AndrewMasters]

Wow! Thanks man.

[@DruGaTecH]

@@AndrewMasters You're welcome pal. I have a few questions tho. If you're willing to help. Please reply.

[@AndrewMasters]

Shoot

[@DruGaTecH]

@@AndrewMasters I'm thinking of buying the Mackie Big Knob Passive Monitor Controller. What's your take on it? Also with Presonus Eris 3.5" Speakers. I previously had the Focusrite 18i20 and Saffire Pro 40 connected via ADAT. I also have the Audient EVO 4. Will the Big Knob be capable of routing two different interfaces in the inputs and 2 pairs of speakers. Each pair connected to each input on the Big Knob. So I have interface one (source A), interface two (source B), then route them to the outputs of the different speakers (output A and output B) respectively. Can the big knob switch source A to output B and also source B to output A? Such that one interface is playing back on speakers not connected to the input source on the big knob. I hope you get my question. Please reply. Cheers! Manuel. :)

[@AndrewMasters]

Hey Manuel, The Big Knob has worked okay for me. It has some cool features including a built in talkback which is cool. Downside is it has way too much color it adds to what you’re hearing. There are too many ways to adjust the input levels, which would be confusing if you don’t know how things should be set up. It is much more of a mixer than anything else. Yes the big knob can do that, but so can any other monitor controller. This is what I would recommend: amzn.to/3bsdE8t It’s the same price point, has all of the same features but does not color the audio like the big knob does. It’s also much simpler to set up and operate, while still giving you the same flexibility. Cheers!

[@abieryan7835]

LOVE THIS!!!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thank you!

[@dougdavis6353]

Love the tight drums. reminds me of classic albums like Hotel California and Rumors.

[@AndrewMasters]

Totally. Constantly harnessing my inner Fleetwood mac.

[@nugznmugz]

Don't forget Levon Helm and The Band!

[@michaelcaplin8969]

I'm like you in that way. Punchy, dry, tight, and fat no matter if it's tuned high, mid or low. Favourite drum sound right now = Night by Night - Steely Dan, played on first take by the 16 year old Jeff Porcaro on his first proper studio date. Love that snare!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks man. Totally agree, doesn't work for EVERYTHING. I sure do love it when I hear it.

[@laneysommer]

Very educational. Thanks for all the great videos.

[@AndrewMasters]

Glad you like them!

[@stevengoetzlmusic]

Another solid video Andrew! I’m with you - tighter drums tones seem to CUT pleasantly in a mix more times than not! Great info here man.

[@AndrewMasters]

Totally agree! Thanks!

[@JoshuaKrell]

I am actually shocked at how live your room still is in the one shot when you were standing far back in that early shot. That’s so nice that you have the option to be fairy live, then throw up some gobos and super dead! The blanket trick is sooooo good! I super agree on overheads too. I’ve always tried to get the best picture of the kit with the overheads and then just bring in the close mics as needed!

[@AndrewMasters]

hahaha thanks dude, the room is fairly versatile. But there's a chance I may have put a touch of reverb on that little shot haha!

[@JoshuaKrell]

Hahaha I kinda wondered if you added a little verb! 😂

[@hamiltonbrown1989]

I appreciated this a lot! From the overhead placement stuff etc.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks man! It's the little things that make a huge difference.

[@dino0bre]

Man, I LOVE this channel. Really something that I was searching for for the longest time. Instant subscribe. Greetings from Serbia!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks! That’s awesome.

[@rklss_andrey]

I needed this video haha, planning to track drums very soon.

[@AndrewMasters]

It felt like the right time!

[@caroll2352]

This video earns you a PhD in sound engineering. You are a GENIUS 🥁🥁

[@AndrewMasters]

Wow. Thank you very much.

[@rklss_andrey]

It really does depends on the sound, I’m a fan of both 🤘🏻

[@AndrewMasters]

Same.

[@tngeybeats7759]

Yes Andrew more amazing content

[@AndrewMasters]

Thank you!

[@nedfo72]

Just found this channel yesterday when searching the r88a. That thing sounds so good, the tight drums sound so good, and the open drums at the beginning also sounded so good lol. I think it totally depends on the project for me. Usually the open stuff is more appropriate, but I love playing with blankets to get some thud

[@AndrewMasters]

Definitely! Yeah man that R88 rips.. the wallet open. But It sounds stuuuuuuupid good. Worth it.

[@timewasterc]

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS. Yesssssssssss

[@AndrewMasters]

YEEESSSSS

[@garygrimes8506]

Greetings from OH! Fellow drummer here and in the process of setting up my own home studio. I stumbled upon your channel somehow and I'm glad I did. Your an inspiration and just wanted to say thanks for the time and knowledge you put into these videos. Your kit sounds fantastic, keep up the great work!

[@AndrewMasters]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@kjc9trader491]

... Drum sound totally depends on the "gig"... The Tight Phat sound is awesome for "studio produced" stuff - Funk, Rock, Pop, Drum overs, etc... The open live sound is great for jazz, big band, some Fusion (Love that Bill Bruford tight open ringy SD sound too), and a live band in the studio sometimes... Your sound here is very nice though... Gonna definitely try a few of your suggestions... Dead Ringers on the SD - and Toms - are great for this sound... softens up the attack and gives that low, "Thunky" sound (my word for Thick and Funky!)...

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@HeavyFoot88]

Damn... The sound is really beauty❤️❤️❤️

[@NathanJamesLarsen]

This is great. That "Big Fat Snare" option -- yep, getting that on Sweetwater literally right now. Finally delving into the world of live drum recording in my own studio, and dang it's fun

[@salthedrummer1]

Tight ! fo sho

[@jeremyb6013]

Love it brother🤘

[@AndrewMasters]

Jeremy NewMusic Guitars thanks!

[@CliffGore84]

Thank you for these tutorials, my church is starting to record and this has helped my drum mixes be that much tighter.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks! That’s great!

[@CarpPine]

Positioning the XY overheads on the kick-snare axis is a great technique and my go-to solution when I want a very natural sounding stereo image of the kit.

[@ndw18]

Tight bois always

[@AndrewMasters]

Agreed.

[@recordman555]

Sweet drum sound, Andrew.

[@rossdonaldson5494]

The drums sound great if you are looking for that late 70's/80's sound but when I listen all I can think of is they would be so much better with a little air around them and a bit of snare ring. I kind of feel claustrophobic listening to them. To each his own. I have a tiny room and what works best in there seems to be 2 mics pointed at the cement floor just a penny's thickness away from it. An old technique for small rooms but it works.

[@AndrewMasters]

Oh man. Snare ring is for sure the thing. Was going for sort of a "dreams" kind of snare sound on this session. I think my snare probably was more dead than necessary but a drummer is always going to want it to be a little better haha.

[@jalapainyo]

Hey Andrew. Great stuff as always. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Back In Black, Dragon Attack... Drums that put the listener in the room with the band always resonate the most with me. I dig that live performance vibe with natural ambience. It's a hard thing to do now since for the most part records aren't made this way due to budget limitations. I suppose my least favorite context for drums is canned ambience. It never seems to work for me. I can appreciate the close dead thing if that ethos carries through to the end result. In the end it's the drummer (creative), the drums (tone) and the performance (energy) that rule over all else. That's my quarantine two cents anyway :) Cheers!

[@AndrewMasters]

Love it. Thanks!

[@airutub3r]

thank you for this man. been dying for some drum sound tips and you are the drum master. once again great video. i hope you sometime do some videos on your video production process.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks! I seriously want to.

[@Lightninvoodoo]

I love that tight dry drum sound, that always catches my attention on tracks.

[@kevinherrington7660]

I've been watching your videos since Covid began in March and have been so inspired as a drummer trying to learn and build a home studio. Thank you!

[@Cinnjerm24]

Definitely a fan of the tight/punchy drum sound, so yeah...that kit was sounding pretty nice there at the end.

[@superdangermusic]

Dude that kit sounds great. Cheers.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@jeremysimoneau3387]

Awesome!! Thats the sound im aiming for...gonna deaden everything even more now!!

[@AndrewMasters]

haha awesome!

[@MJ-nk7cd]

Loving your channel dude, keep up the great work!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@joeschlicht]

I typically like big and roomy, and resonance (toms ringing), but it depends on the project. Tight drums definitely have their place. BTW that overhead mic you have sounds great.

[@AndrewMasters]

I feel that. Nothing beats a solid room sound with the right kit/player.

[@jackwhittles8875]

Gotta record drums tight. Even if the song needs bigger drums you can always make the drums sound bigger in post but you can't make it smaller. Love your videos, could you please dive into some recording and mixing methods for bass guitar and electric guitar. Keep up the great work

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks, oh yes. Good things to come, I promise!

[@RobCabreraCh]

Those drums sound sweet bro! I will definitely apply some of this to my own recordings. Me personally, I am a huge, roomy, ambient drum guy. I like it when the beat almost takes control of the song.

[@scottjones7005]

Great dance/funk tone. The 88 on OH is amazing 😉. Well done brother.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thank you!

[@icedtorres]

i like a tight drum sound! sounds killer!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks! Same

[@angdelany]

Andrew I've been trying to get that sound, this video was a huge help!!!! Thank you and Love your channel!!!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks! Glad it helped

[@jconsi]

I love the tight sound to a fault as well Andrew. You have pulled a fine one right here. Reminds me of Joe Walsh’s “But Seriously Folks” record. Luna worked a treat. Nice pairing. Well done. Love it.

[@AndrewMasters]

haha thank you for that.

[@pleasurred]

Yo why those it feels like its Peter MicKinnon talking here haha! Love your vids men!

[@AndrewMasters]

Dang. Hit me right in the feels. Love that man.

[@airutub3r]

dude. i think that all the time hah andrew's content is awesome. quality info with quality video production

[@pleasurred]

It's like a blessing cuz I love photography and cinematography and at the same time I love music! Keep it up men!

[@AndrewMasters]

Same! I appreciate it.

[@causeno1048]

This has a really nice Vulfpeck-esque quality. Love the drums this way. I mean as you said, it does depend extremely on what the rest of the track is going for. But reverb and delay plugins today are so good, if I actually miss a little room on nice and tight drums I can still mix some in. If I overdid the reverb, on the other hand... Tough to get rid off that without it sounding unnatural.

[@AndrewMasters]

Well said!

[@michaelhejda4874]

They sound awesome..

[@ryanfitz-henry3371]

Would definitely be interested in a video on how youu would change your recording setup for "big and roomy" drums (my personal fave). Sweet tips man!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks! I sort of did that here, kzbin.info/www/bejne/sImnlKSPjbpneqs

[@jamesresch9186]

Sounds great! How high are the ceilings in that room?

[@AndrewMasters]

Low. Very low haha. I think they're about 7.5 ft.

[@jamesresch9186]

Andrew Masters oh awesome. Same height as mine. And I have the same interface, so... in theory, dialing my room can in fact yield positive results in recording drums! Thanks man. Now to go spend a few grand on construction and microphones!!!

[@AndrewMasters]

Heck yes. Make a video about it!

[@m45goblue19]

Dude I have been searching for that fat dead snare sound for a long, long time and you nailed it!! That's the first time I heard what I was looking for!! I like the sound like Queen Another one bites the dust but I couldn't figure out how to get that sound until now. Thanks bro!!

[@marlonmoneda12]

Instant Michael Jackson record drum sound right there (and of course tons of others). I've spent my life always fond of the Zep/Nirvana/Rage big open live diffuse room drum sound, but as time passes I get more and more sucked into the sweet groovitude of an awesome dead drum sound...but of course, as usual, its nice to have many palettes with which to paint. Id keep on keeping those extra panels if I was you! Thanks for all the studio tour videos, I've learned a ton and have been building my own studio for 9 months now. I fear I will never be done building it if you keep posting videos!

[@nram3930]

Hi Andrew, I am a young drummer, and I've been trying to turn my bedroom into a true studio - and with such high quality videos and very nice presentation needless to say I liked and subscribed. I am looking forward to seeing more of you!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks man! Do it!

[@nram3930]

@@AndrewMasters I'm on it. This might be the first proper "apartment bedroom studio" which is massively helpful.

[@stephanieadavison]

Love the way they sound!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@daxproductions]

Hey Andrew, I've been going down the rabbit hole of your channel while I'm stuck at home editing some projects. Great stuff! Ever try laying a couple sheets of paper on the snare? Works great to tighten it up but keep it bright.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks dude! Sure have, classic!

[@rjzigterman]

Ow meeen how i like this tutorial. Even in my lets say bedroom drumstudio i got great result just following some of your tips! Thanks men! All the way from the Netherlands

[@buhlir]

So good dude! yeah I love love this style of drums. But I'm also really into the late 60s roomy sound of drums.. or of course bonzos early drum sounds too are my fav.

[@christophelabedan5696]

Great sound 👀👍

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@RokDAWG1]

I love BIG drum tone but I also love that tight punchy tone. Your drum sounds are crazy awesome!

[@JulianFernandez]

good stuff. this channel is gonna grow. fast!

[@AndrewMasters]

I appreciate that!

[@SirRubenGa]

Thanks for this man sound is great!

[@AryanAryasongs]

You're so funny man 🤭

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@AryanAryasongs]

@@AndrewMasters anytime bro🙏♥️

[@bornabaharloo7495]

Hello Sir . My question is : zoom F8n recorder good enough to make good quality sounding videos for streaming on KZbin and instagram? Or an 8 line audio interface for drums recording ? And wich one of these microphones sets have better qualities for drums recording : Audix Fp7 or Akg session 1 or audio-technica Dk7 ? Tanks 🙏🏼

[@AndrewMasters]

I think the zoom recorder would probably be good enough, it depends on what exactly you're using it on, the mic, position, environment etc. 8 pre interface would definitely be ideal to start with for drum recording. You know, I've never used any of those mics, all great brands though! Check out the youtube reviews etc.

[@jeffdombrowski4736]

I wouldn't be mad if you made a video about Luna.. It looks promising. I tried it but theres alot of things in studio one I can't get away from yet.

[@AndrewMasters]

I feel that

[@williedelao9960]

Good Job Bro!!!!!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@orphy]

Damn dude, great drum sound on this! I did a similar kick drum-blanket technique on a recording recently, but out of necessity because there was no porthole. It really made for a tight sounding kick.

[@kkbdrums]

Love the tight and fat sound, but I've always been a live performer first, so I'm biased to more boomy and open sounds that closer replicate being on a stage.

[@AndrewMasters]

Totally understand!

[@Polentaccio]

Some great tips here, I like the approach with deadening room and drums as well as use of overheads. I thought it all sounded really good and like REAL drums vs samples. My only gripe is the snare. I thought it sounded terrible.. like a flat pop. I much prefer some ring. Powerstroke 3 on snare is great for the control or a good ol fashioned ambassador with a bit of hockey tape (I'm canadian, it is my go to and is easy to pull on and off with no marks)

[@AndrewMasters]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@DavidSJ_DAP]

Well, as an amateur mix engineer, I prefer the tight, dry drum sound since it's possible to add "air" and "room" to it, while you can't easily tighten up the roomy recorded drum sound...

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@lmandrums3118]

I like a mixture of both, Having a SUPER wide open sound kind of defeats the purpose of having mics in the first place because in my opinion it makes the drums sound more like an iPhone mic. But when people have the sound where its just like there are no overhead or room mics I absolutely hate it because it makes it sound like a drum sample and that defeats the purpose of even playing drums. Having a mixture is the perfect sound for me, you still that that "close up-ness" (Is that even a word 😂 ) of the drums but you still get the open feel from the overheads and room mic (if you use a room mic, I personally do not)

[@AndrewMasters]

Agreed

[@audiobysam]

Excellent. How did you hang those ceiling panels? I'm getting ready to build my own and tossing around ways to hang a cloud.

[@AndrewMasters]

Well I didn't mount them as clouds, but more just absorption for that part of the room. So I used L brackets and drilled one side to the ceiling, and the other to the panel. So it's fixed. Hanging clouds is a bit different. I'm going to recommend looking that up on another video because my way is a bit.. sheisty. haha

[@audiobysam]

@@AndrewMasters Word. Did you have a specific reasoning for not hanging them but just flat-paneling the ceiling?

[@AndrewMasters]

Yeah, super low ceilings haha. I just needed to stifle a flutter echo. My cloud above the listening position is hung low but it makes more sense being above the desk.

[@swangonzalez4797]

Incredible sound. Just perfect. Big but controlled.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@guttoxgutto]

Awesome timbre my man! I also a fan of tight drums, although it's not so easy to reach that sound

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@danmeme7740]

I use a D6 for kick, i5 for snare top, D1 bottom snare, sm81's for overheads, D2's for 10" and 12" toms, D4 for 13" tom, D112 on floor tom. I also have a dead room, probably more dead then yours. If I want a more lively sound I just add some reverb.

[@iengineer_247]

I'm digging the sound!!!! Thanks for tips!!!!!

[@youtubes5304]

Awesome awesome awesome!!!! Thank you so much.!

[@AndrewMasters]

Glad you liked it!

[@Joey.Darkwoods-Studio]

Damn that sounds good! It's got that vintage 70's vibe...

[@gigic1788]

How did you put those panels onto the ceiling? Cause it seems like there pretty close to the ceiling which in my case would be great! Cheers!

[@AndrewMasters]

I just used some 5 inch corner braces. One side on ceiling, one side attached to side of panel. Thanks!

[@axelmaldini4218]

Awesome professional snare sounds dude! you're the man

[@gimmiethejuice]

I used to go for this tight dry sound back in the 90s, right when literally EVERYONE else made their drums sound like paint cans and buckets. Some people made fun of me and thought I was nuts, others asked me 10,000 times how I did it.

[@itsmitchellh65]

This is awesome. It makes me really wonder how much you could change the entire environment sound of the drums in the box. Like starting with tracks that clean and tight would be the perfect canvas to paint an entire room sound around

[@nolarocks]

How do you set levels and get good mic placement when monitoring in the same room as the signals you are trying to capture?

[@AndrewMasters]

Wireless keyboard and mouse is the short answer. I record through UA apollo x 8p, so you control mic pres/input gain through their "console" software. As far as mic placement, I've been placing mics on my drum kits for like 14 years so you start to kind of figure out how you like them. I'll place mics, adjust levels from the kit using the wireless mouse and keyboard, dial in a headphone mix. Usually do some warm up takes, jump over to the desk and double check phase/levels etc. before I grab the final takes.

[@scottking2932]

Love it. Super helpful video. I don't have anything approaching the R88 in my mic locker, and I only have a 4-channel interface and a super small room, but you've provided a lot of great tips here that I can apply to see if I can get my drums to sound better. And I am definitely ordering the "Big Fat Snare Drum". Thanks again!

[@AndrewMasters]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks

[@adrianlyord5300]

I definitely like tight sounding drums! A lot of 70s recordings sounded that way(Fleetwood Mac, Steely Dan, Eagles,etc.). Bob Clearmountain did a great job on The group CHIC recordings( Le Freak, Good Times)! James Brown recordings are awesome too! Especially the Snare drums they are sooo tight! Thanks for sharing your video! 😁

[@wyrlismike]

wow, fantastic 70s style drums

[@ahorakemusic]

Great sound!! I usually go for an open, big drum sound. As of late, I have really been into the tight sounds. Excellent job!

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@JakeReedmusic]

SO GOOD!!!

[@Groovedrummer1989]

What a great video! I do like both kind of sounds: Wide open & reverby also as very dry! For me it depends totally on the context. Thank you for the inspiration! Especially the ribbon overhead mic sounds like I have to try that as well.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thank you, yeah man it’s a killer mic.

[@Groovebox8]

Hey Andrew...what are the dimensions of your room. I believe you mentioned 7'5'' high, how about Width and Length ? and do you have any bass trap in the corners ? Thx

[@AndrewMasters]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6m2q5uqlq2Lqck

[@THEKIDZONTHEBLOK]

Can u pls make a video on overhead mic placement? Not a lot on KZbin that are great

[@macplayerspecial]

Also love for dead and tight sounding drums here!!

[@camildrums]

All with the Apollo 8xp?

[@AndrewMasters]

Yes!

[@AndrewMasters]

The R88 is going through Warm Audio 273 mic pres, then to the apollo inputs.

[@sin4u428]

Gotta say saw one video and was an instant fan keep up the good work my dude :-)

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@JMSDyt]

Hey awsome sound!! and you can make a tight sound to sound roomy, but not the oposite

[@AndrewMasters]

Thank you!

[@peterpoulos5518]

How did you hang the panels? I built some recently but am having a tough time hanging them.

[@AndrewMasters]

The two above the drums I just used 4 corner braces. The cloud that's above my head I used wire to hang it from anchors.

[@PROSPECTSGR]

Oh men, that's tight!! Great channel, just subscribed

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks

[@sleonse]

Beautifullllllll

[@AyreonsDimension]

I smashed like when you said coffee.

[@AndrewMasters]

Yes! Cheers.

[@thijs199]

I agree on almost anything except no spatial for the snare. You want a big snare sound. Maybe make or buy a diffuser around that spectrum? Like I would forfeit all the deadness if I could just get the snare to sound big.

[@eimidioskouroi]

Drums sound great 👍🏻

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks!

[@benchapman7586]

Thewy sound great. I'm really struggling with my recorded snare sound at the moment, it always sound flat.

[@AndrewMasters]

Thanks! Does the snare sound flat when you play it? Or just when you're listening back to the recording?

[@benchapman7586]

@@AndrewMasters It's fine when I'm playing it, it's during playback. I think my problem is I spend too much time playing with eq when I should leave it alone. The word I like to use to describe the sound I'm going for is "lush".

[@frederikhebert7791]

Put cotton balls in the floor! Not much just 2 or 3 and open them up so they take more surface! That's the greb floor tom sound!