How To Hit A Kick Serve?

[@IntuitiveTennis]

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[@augustblood6810]

I tried your kick serve tips today on the tennis court and they work! Only thing is they're not very powerful serves - is it just a case of hitting it harder? This I find difficult if I'm brushing the ball.

[@HH-yq4hy]

Excellent instructions! Key points: sideway, toss 12 clock and not inward, swing diagonally. Thanks

[@IraR68]

finally something so clear on the kick serve. very well done, by far the best on the net. keep it up!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Ira, much appreciated, thanks 🙏

[@moysesgarcia6750]

Most complete and accurate demonstration of kick serve I’ve ever seen. I’m excited to try this technique. I have all other serves except kick which as alluded me! Thanks

[@JJVee427]

The diagonal swing path portion helped me a lot! Thank you!!

[@ic5761]

Best kick serve instruction out there and I have seen many videos demonstrate this. None of the others address the bent or straight arm after contact as being straight like Federer or bent like Thiem. So when I was dong it straight arm, I thought all this time I was doing it wrong. I wanted to add a few more things, after I originally posted this yesterday. All of these other videos talk about having to throw the ball into the court, but this instructor makes a point that you might want to throw the ball over your head above the baseline instead of throwing it out in the court. He explains all that. That's another aspect of the kick serve that people get hung up on.

[@eziopuiatti8801]

Thank you very useful Nick, can you please make a video about how to place the ball on a serve (any type of serve), I always struggle to place the ball where I want to..:((

[@Krwler]

I've been looking for a great kick serve tutorial for years and this is easily the best one I've seen out of dozens.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Krwler

[@c.c.blackwell9986]

By far the best explanation of the kick serve I’ve found on KZbin!

[@davejentsch824]

Just spent a few days watching kick serve vids on KZbin - this is about the 20th I've watched. It is also THE BEST. You are very clear on the many aspects and attributes from ball toss, to torso rotation, to racquet direction, etc. Thank you, much appreciated.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Glad you liked it Dave 🙏

[@ripleypipe]

A 'diagonal swing path' is so key here Nick, thank you for pointing this out. Gordon

[@IntuitiveTennis]

ripleygordon, you are right. That’s the key 🔑 👍👍

[@aiyka_music]

Top notch and clear instruction Nick !

[@tommorton512]

I could not figure out why my kick serve was more like a slice. I used a ball with different colors and noticed how it was spinning. You explained it clearly. I find the hardest part is getting the correct contact with the arm going diag. and the racket getting the topspin. I was having my arm go with baseline and not getting any power. Practice time!

[@dan6499]

By far, THE best video breakdown of the quick serve I’ve seen. I really appreciated the explanation of ball toss position and the arm hitting trajectory.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

D Roberge, thank you 🙏

[@davidshannon7781]

Best video I have seen on topspin serve, it's simple precise and to the point. Well done. John Shannon, Ireland.

[@simontroke6230]

This is fantastic i can finally hit a kick serve......took me about 3 sessions of practice and now feels natural.....thank you so much

[@alarson8355]

Great video! You give a detailed explanation of how to hold the racquet, the stance, the toss, where to contact the ball and where to finish. I have not seen all of these components in one video before. Plus, you reassure the rec player how long it takes to learn and how difficult it is but yet give encouragement to stick with it as a long term goal.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you for the kind words A 🙏🙏

[@scottcrav1]

Great details of how to hit the kick serve...much better than the other guys teaching the kick serve...thanks for sharing the video!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Scott, thank you 🙏

[@jagodude]

Definitely among the best explanations of this serve that I find difficult to execute. I'll remember this video when I go out to practice next time. Good stuff!

[@nburdsal]

I'm not sure why I am just finding your videos. I thought I had watched every KZbin instructional tennis video out there. Yours are the best. Thank you.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Nate, glad you found me and are enjoying the videos

[@mariostzoufas7390]

Hi Nikola from Greece! I am relatively new recreational player and i constanly seek for tennis information on the internet. Your videos are very helpful and way much more good and efficient from most other videos. Could you make something for the slice serve? Keep up the good work. Thanks.

[@laddhaamit]

After watching hundreds of videos on kick serve with half baked info, I landed up her and this one just enlightened me and cleared all my doubts. This guy is a gem of a coach. Thanks for sharing all the minute nitty gritty which other instructors normally hide.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Amit, my pleasure

[@mikie6453mikie]

Good breakdown of all the elements of the kick , I really like the difference between top players vs us recreational players, like the toss (inside the court for top level vs overhead for us. A lot of teaching pros have us mimic top pros but we don't have all the other elements necessary to make that shot.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Mike, 🙏 thank you. I agree some players have limitations and the technique will therefore be different.

[@jagdeeprandhawa4361]

Wow...by far the best lesson video I have come across on kick serve..and I have seen so many!! You explained everything so well without making the video toooo long. Thanks for uploading such an awesome video Nick!! 👍

[@jagdeeprandhawa4361]

Forgot to mention, you have such an amazing accurate kick to the ad side!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Jagdeep, I appreciate it 🙏🙏

[@vladimirvidov6202]

Thank you very much very professional I like it I send this my kids and my friends thanks again

[@mcdust72]

Watched so many Kick Serve videos- yours is certainly among the best. Very detailed already. Mayn explanations that you do not find anywhere alese. Looking forward for version 2 !

[@IntuitiveTennis]

My pleasure 😇

[@eyermed]

The most comprehensive instruction on the net... Thanks Nick!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

eyermed, Thank you 🙏

[@dmitryprivate6558]

Hi Nikola. Great video. Especially the point you make about recreational players not needing to throw the ball into the court. This helps me a lot with my kick serve. Thank you!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Hi Dmitry, yes if you are doing a stationary second serve (Kick) don’t toss in front. 👍👍

[@johnwright2460]

This is the best kick serve lesson I have seen. You hit several points I’ve not seen from other coaches. Thanks much. Can’t wait to try it on the court.

[@RacquetFlex]

Brilliant video with high quality info. Bravo 👏

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Racquet flex, thanks bro. 🙏

[@timothydowd9828]

Great understandable description of the kick serve

[@hech7]

Odličan video kao i ostali koji se nalaze na vašem kanalu. Sve pohvale! Great instructions and step by step details which are easy to follow. I improve my serve significantly after I foolow your video. Keep up with good work.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Gordan! Puno hvala na komentaru 🙏

[@ziggy5466]

That was a very informative lesson Nick. I have to develop a kick serve because I’m one of those people who taps the ball on my second serve and I also double fault way too much. I can’t tell you how many matches I lost because of double faults. At my age I now play mostly doubles ( men’s and mixed) and it’s embarrassing for me to give away points and matches because of double faults. Hopefully I’ll see some improvement watching and studying this video. Thanks for sharing this and all your videos.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you David

[@maxjansons1793]

Your videos on the kick serve have really helped me to greatly improve this serve. You provide very clear cues, that really cleaned up and gave my kick serve incredible consistency. Thank you!

[@maurotiberti1893]

Thank you, your explanation is very clear,

[@ebb3162]

Thank you so much for sharing. The best analysis I've ever watched.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you EB

[@franciskwok3515]

This is really a great breakdown analysis of the kick serve.

[@rds4629]

Nice video. I am surprised you recommend flat serves before kick to beginners. Once I learned kick, it made me so relaxed so that even on days if my flat serve is off I can rely on the kick to stay in the game. If it's not a croatian secret, how is the leg thrust on the kick serve? In your legs video, you talk about how snapping/twisting the torso propels the feet off the ground, but most kick serves you stay more sideways... to my eyes, it seems like pros drive into the court w/ flat serves whereas w/ kick they get more air under their feet. Is it more leg usage in kick?

[@nightdogggg]

I have to tell you: While trying to use your instructions, The first serves I got in were huge. They didn't really kick , but they were fast and usually resulted in a service winner. I am working on the diag swing and the path of the follow thru. You are the best.

[@adsaviation]

You are just an excellent instructor, I am very impressed and very glad I found you. There are so many so-called instructors which are BS-ing and just fishing for cash.

[@pasqualesigismondi4811]

He is the best 🎾🎾🎾🤩

[@piobak76]

Thanks. I just liked your video, because it's very detailed and just nice. Greetings!

[@jamiecho]

Extremely clear explanations. Nik is simply the best instructor on the internet!

[@junkmail75034]

I really like your explanation. Too many old instructions just makes no sense. We were taught to drop racket to scratch our back. But that makes my arm working harder and took longer for my racket to get to the ball.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you KC

[@dieclo]

l have been watching tutorials for many times, but you are very good! make it simple and easy to understand the tennis drills! thanks a lot!

[@irado168]

Another great serve video with thorough explanation. I particularly like then side view to see how forward into the court the toss needs to be when using more body.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Ira, 🙏 thank you

[@didanhtennis]

Great video. Thank you for posting.

[@ripleypipe]

At last, a concise demonstration and execution of a kick serve, well done Nick.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

ripleygordon, Thanks I appreciate it

[@j0e72]

The best illustration of the KS I could find so far

[@claudem4733]

Fantastic explanations. I love your videos and your patience and detail in explaining everything. Thanks Nick!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

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[@chrisg1628]

Excellent detailed advice - thank you

[@boscoffernandes]

Just wonderful videos Nick (Nik) . Thanks for all the stuff you've posted online. Just wonderful. PTR Pro myself. Best wishes

[@IntuitiveTennis]

🙏🙏

[@wangrobbie6867]

Man, you answer some of the most important questions about the serve. Thx for posting it.

[@satgill830]

Like many others I thought I had seen and been following the best of tennis instruction online, but I was wrong......these may be the best of all! Great detail keep them coming. Just found you but do you have progression drills for your online lessons?

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Sat Gill I have a kick serve progression drill in the works. Stay tuned...

[@Armando_Lara]

As clear as the summer sky! Priceless tips, thanks a bunch! I really liked the name of intuitive tennis since it really isn't.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thanks Armando

[@yaomingfans1]

best instructions on youtube! excellent job!

[@LaBambaCL]

the most well described kick serve lesson. i do like how you relate your lessons to current tour pros.. well, we try to imagine ourselves a little bit like them ;). it's going to take awhile for me to absorb and practice some of what you've said; thanks for the clearer, better understanding :)

[@IntuitiveTennis]

LaBambaCL, we have to learn from the best players. Thanks for watching! 🙏

[@LaBambaCL]

it's very useful when the pros' variations and your preference are shown by you, otherwise we're usually confused by what we see on tv. a rare insight. you would've made my tennis life easier years ago! thank you.

[@darrenpretli3051]

Great explanation. I have been trying and following some other instructions but have always been hitting it to thin with no power because I have been trying to swing across the base line. I was always getting it in with lots of spin but no pace at all! This swing path explanation is excellent.

[@mikehardwicke23]

Very informative; much detail I had not considered.

[@joernmatthias128]

Hi Nick, Awesome video! As far as staying sideways is concerned, the best trick is to keep and finish with the racket on the side of your hitting arm after contact with the ball. As a right-handed player, I'm always focused on finishing on the right side with the racket pointing down next to my right leg. This is very helpful in particular for recreational players who tend to turn the torso too early, including myself, if the racket does not finish on the side of your dominant arm. Keep up the good work! Best wishes, Joern

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Joern

[@joernmatthias128]

@@IntuitiveTennis You are welcome, Nick.

[@rickconard4434]

Nick. I just watched your video on the kick serve and although I’m four years late I’m very glad I did. That’s the best explanation I’ve seen and I’ve watched watched a lot of KZbin videos. thanks for your excellent work.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Great to hear!

[@tironejo]

Another greatly detailed video. Thanks and I appreciate the way you explain all your lessons which have helped my game (4.). Would also like to get a video on the distance you hit the service ball in relation to where the toe is on the baseline. Would also like an idea of where the ball is struck in relation to forehands and backhands. In any case keep up with all the details you imprint on your videos. The best

[@IntuitiveTennis]

John, thank you. Here are some other videos where I discuss the above mentioned topics. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aH6ciXqIYsdoj5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/qISzlGduZa1sq9E kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZayn6unZrZ_qdU

[@tomroot7938]

Thanks, Very helpful, as I am just starting to learn how to hit a Kick serve.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Tom, 🙏

[@drakramkhan9675]

Good explanation about kick serve

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you doctor 🙏

[@satgill830]

Sounds like a progression drills video is coming great! One last question on the second serve (and first I suppose) do you recommend having a specific target to land the serve?

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Depends on your level, if you are not consistent with kicker aim for middle of the box. First serve you can be more advantageous

[@Tennis2021]

Best video to clearly explain kick serve techniques.

[@TNToncourt]

Best video on the kick serve. Thank you.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

TNT, 🙏👍

[@michaelp9061]

Another solid video , thank you coach.

[@yekuang5774]

Always love your clear explanation of the reasoning behind the way of doing things, and provide the different options for players to determine the best for themselves. Thanks very much!

[@gutembergsczcepanik5370]

Really enjoyed the video, great content and superb quality. I liked the side camera gave a real idea of the toss. This was the first video I've found of your channel, I'll definitely watch others!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Gutemberg, thank you, glad you liked the video. 👍

[@donho4109]

This is a great kick serve video, Nick! I think you covered it better than anyone on KZbin!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Don 🙏

[@giovannidavinci20]

Agree here. Thanks, Nick!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Jack

[@Eagles_Wings_Isaiah40.31]

Very clear and practical instructions on the kick serve

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you

[@ignaciomar2175]

De Pamplona, podrías explicar el saque plano y cortado con pro nación gracias

[@pzivic]

I like your mention about kick on the deuce side. I'm a recreational player and I didn't know that is so difficult to produce kick on the deuce side. I'm happy now :). Another great vide. Hvala. Question is should I stay with common topspin second serv in deuce side? Yes, kick down to T is powerful services because produce high ball to righty player on his BH.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Predrag, yeah if you can kick it to deuce that would be awesome, however make sure it doesn’t came at the cost of more double faults.

[@bilobadjinko]

very good explanation, the best so far !

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Rene, Thanks 🙏

[@sam-oh4yr]

Thanks for the instructions coach you are awesome

[@IntuitiveTennis]

SAMPA, 🙏👍

[@JoJo-Mo-63]

What a great coach! Thank you for all your great tennis tips

[@nightdogggg]

workin on it lots of double faults the other night lost badly refusing to go back to a weak slice serve. thanks

[@princelawrencetennis2057]

Fantastic coaching on kick/ flat serve.You teach step by step. Thank you sir, Prince Toronto

[@Tomm8989]

Hallo Nikola. Great video. I watch multiple trainers on KZbin and you are also a valuable complement. I have Question: sometime my kickserves have not enough forward momentum and go into the net. Is this related to the ball toss (throwing behind yourself outside the baseline) or is it due to the racket path( not diagonally)? Kind regards, Tom

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Tom, thank you. Due to the complexity of the serve net errors have a multitude of potential causes.

[@Tomm8989]

@@IntuitiveTennis Okay thanks. Practice makes perfect I guess ;-)

[@henrykwok2985]

The best explanation, thank you very much

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Henry, 👍

[@TheMaxy4u]

Very good and informative video . Thank you from Canada

[@sergioferraiuolo1391]

great analysis, thx

[@ron2117]

Very nice info on the kick. Tried it , not too bad results. Not much difference on the speed. I guess it can be used as both 1st & second serve.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Hi Ron, check my latest video on the second serve. There’s actually a big difference in speed. And yes it can be used as a first serve. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2ScgK2whN2Ug68

[@gogogo96]

love it coach, Thanks

[@michaeltroyano940]

Excellent video and technical information...wow!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Michael, thank you 🙏

[@alexhe1987]

Thank you for the video. What about executing a kick serve in Deuce side ? Is it the same? thanks

[@IntuitiveTennis]

supernovasia, same mechanics. Different outcomes, I go into this topic at the 15 minute mark.

[@alexhe1987]

@@IntuitiveTennis Thank you for your reply. I am checking it out right now, thanks again.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

supernovasia, my pleasure

[@oscarericsson2025]

Grerat video! What is the reason for ending the serve with the racket tip downwards and the elbow upwards? I have been more like "hammering" my kick serve. Both will result in pretty much the same racket motion, with the tip pointing downwards, even though the racket is having different angles. Played with a tennis trainer and on competition level for 9 years but no one told me to do it like you do it. I am having pain in my elbow after serving. I think the reason is that I am overstretching my elbow on the serve, since I am hammering my serve my elbow will need to dampen the racket motion. My question boils down to: are there any other benefits from ending with the elbow upwards than just saving the elbow? Really looking forward to try this out, thanks!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Oscar, not sure this will save the elbow. In my experience elbow pain is caused by groundstrokes and not the serve. I’m not sure what you mean by hammering the serve. It sounds dangerous. At the end of this video I give some options on the finish here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKayi6aPrtd4r5I

[@oscarericsson2025]

It is like I am hammering on a wall, finishing with a strait arm and the elbow pointing more to the grund. Really hope and think this is going to help. Cheers

[@oscarericsson2025]

Thanks for the second video. My serve is more like 6:55 in to that video, even when I kick serve. That makes my elbow catch a lot of the motion, thus getting overstretched. Really need to turn my arm and bend the elbow.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Oscar, ok now I understand. The problem with your finish is that you are hitting the ball to thin and therefore exerting a lot of energy in trying to produce speed. I recommend in addition to turning the strings at least downwards, also adding a little forward momentum into the swing.

[@oscarericsson2025]

@@IntuitiveTennis Thank you for the replies! Not sure what you mean by turning the strings downwards? Having the string bed pointing to the ground?

[@chinesefashionmodels]

yes. best kick serve video. i have been trying kick serve for a few years. but i still facing problem in pronation, racket drop, and also the consistent high n 11 o'clock toss. without high enough toss or racket drop , i feel like i just slice the ball rather than brushing it up. any suggestion ? and i have been doing kick serve without pronation, and i could feel the ball is slow.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

kit, do not worry about pronation. There are players at the elite level who do not continue to pronate on the kick serve. Check out my pronation video where I discuss in detail why pronation should never be the focus when practicing serves.kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp7Vkqdsm9WUbs0 If you are slicing and not kicking the serve there is a chance that you are not staying sideways on the kicker. The serve is a complex series of movements with many variables and it's possible that you suffer from other technical deficiencies. Without having seen your serve all I can do is guess. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@SLee-lh3pq]

Great! Thanks!

[@ST-xg3gy]

Very good.

[@philiprobbins6200]

Great video - very thorough and clear. Love the "fake kick" idea - seems very plausible.

[@raysfonexchange]

Awsome info.....thanks for sharing and keep up the good work!

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Ray, 👍

[@miketankersley6771]

Like your video but disagree with your statement around 13:20 that you hit down on serves. Do you not hit up and the leaning forward into the court as well as the natural path of the racket directs the ball downward?

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thanks Mike, If you consciously hit up on any serve the ball would not land inside the baseline and would probably hit the back fence. The path of the hand and entire body is down after contact. Because of the sideways positioning of the torso at contact the tip of the racquet is pointing towards the left (for righties). Consequently, while the hand/arm is going down the racquet travels up and over the ball. This is clear to see in slow motion footage.

[@gcs7817]

Thank you .... I’ve been working on this for a while now with some success... Your tip to have the racquet pointed more to the left (as a righty) at contact means that the racquet speed has to be sufficient so that the ball has some spin. By exaggerating the leftward pointing, a good deal of spin can be achieved...

[@alenx5455]

My ball kicks to the right significantly on deuce, I guess im doing something right :D I noticed that the more left the ball toss is the more the ball tends to kick to the right and the less left it is the more it tends to kick up. Anyway, great video, you are making amazing videos, I really like your explanations and you have a very good understanding of tennis, keep it up, maybe you can also consider making some videos about tactics, patterns of play etc... of pro players such as Federer and so on, would be cool.

[@alfandosavant4639]

Hmmm interesting clue to direct the kick 🤔 gonna try it on the next session!

[@jorbitz69]

Very informative. Well done.

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Thank you Jesus 🙏

[@andrewhwang8951]

Nik, as usual this is fantastic. Given the diagonal left-to-right motion and keeping your torso from rotating, would you say it's better to do an edge racket drop (like you do)? I have a natural flat racket drop (as you so nicely broke down in your serve racket drop video), but it seems to me that that position is less ideal for that sweeping left-to-right brush up motion you describe here. Thoughts?

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Andrew, hmmm that’s another really good question. I would say this, I think a kick serve does require a loop, if the racquet fell straight down there would be a problem with acceleration since we are staying sideways. I can’t say that the open face drop with a loop (Federer, Becker, Sampras etc) is inferior to the on edge drop on the kicker. I don’t think it is possible to kick the serve any better than Becker did. So to answer your question, I don’t think it matters.

[@andrewhwang8951]

@@IntuitiveTennis Yes, anecdotally you're right - Becker's kick was tremendous and he was a very open face drop. Maybe I'm less struggling with the concept of open versus edge drop, and more struggling with the racket orientation using the butt cap as a "pointer." In a flat or slice serve, it's easy to understand the racket traveling towards the ball with the butt cap leading the way (cap pointing forward) until the wrist snaps the hoop forward towards contact such that the cap is now facing the sideline. I guess what I'm asking is if a proper kick serve also has this motion of the butt cap pointing forward before squaring up at contact and facing the side, or if it's more like a "backscratch" position with the cap facing the sideline and just swinging up and out from there, keeping the cap facing to the sideline the whole way. (Watching you serve a kicker in slow motion, you do have your cap facing forward to start your swing, then you pronate to square the strings at contact, so maybe that's my answer right there.)

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Andrew, yes on the kick the butt cap is orientated the same as the flat serve. Check the Raonic kicker at the 4:50 mark in the racquet drop video kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKmcnGV9ntBqhM0 It’s positioned the same. Btw I’m totally unaware of the orientation of the buttcap in that phase of the serve. There’s too much acceleration there. Still, it’s interesting to know the intricacies of the serve. Great question!

[@andrewhwang8951]

@@IntuitiveTennis So after many many years of tennis, and about 25 years past my tennis prime (when I was a touring USTA junior), I FINALLY have the beginnings of a kick serve. Just this week, I practiced all you've demonstrated and written, and what do you know... an ad court kicker that went both high and angled off wide. Hallelujah!!! I've literally tried the kicker for decades, and even at one point thought I had it (but in review of video it was really just junk ball slice serve). Thank you!!! You've been kind enough to answer my perhaps overly-cerebral racket motion questions, but rest assured I use those biomechanical concepts as a way of just getting a mental image of what I'm doing. Video shows I do face the buttcap forward (as you showed both in your own serve and Raonic's serve), but to your point, I do that without knowing it. My mental image of what I'm doing just clears my mind and the natural biomechanics take over. Intuitive, no? ;) Anyway, a big thank you. Your video explanations and answers to my questions did more for my kicker than years of lessons with actual real life pros.

[@andrewhwang8951]

BTW, do you do video analysis services? If so, how does one do that?

[@bitang2276]

When are you going to make a video on slice serve??? Thanks in advance

[@IntuitiveTennis]

Zandro, tomorrow at 8am ET. Hope you get a chance to see it.

[@vicmulyk5775]

From slow motion video replay, it looks like my toss is still not quite 12, but perhaps @ 1. I think that is all I need to succeed with your instruction, because everything is as you've indicated. Thank you! (The kick serve, on the deuce side, is by far the most difficult serve I've practiced. However, I'm all in until it becomes routine!)

[@mamm171177]

THAT VIDEOS WAS INCREDIBLE