How to identify notes by ear - Ear Training

[@coreyandnathanielchartier3749]

I feel like I was just watching someone trying to explain to a blind man, what a tree looks like.

[@UseYourEar]

That's exactly why it's so difficult to teach ear training and even more so to talk about it.

[@xxh2]

Yes we need examples

[@abhilashr838]

Very well said

[@kierenmoore3236]

Not only didn’t I learn anything from this video, I forgot intervals/scale degrees I USED TO KNOW … *squeezes more ketchup on own tummy*

[@UseYourEar]

If you forgot Intervals, then I would say you still got something useful out of this video! 😉

[@Joe-mg2ih]

I feel like the premise of this video is distracted driving.

[@UseYourEar]

Hi Joe, unfortunately I can't understand your point. Feel free to clarify. Thanks

[@martinross9093]

@@UseYourEari think he is joking

[@UseYourEar]

@@martinross9093 I also think that but can't understand the joke itself. 🙈

[@stonedbutchblues1334]

ik this is 5 months old but i think they're talking about 00:20 when you use identifying notes while listening to music in the car as an example for applications of the info in the video

[@MisguidingWish]

​@@UseYourEarit's been 6 months more since u last saw this comment and yeah I had trouble with this joke but understood. So basically he meant sarcastically that ur trying to emphasize on distracted driving.

[@FrostBite-q3k]

Thanks for making such a detailed and informative video.

[@ElChavoShortz]

first mechanism starts at 4:20

[@UseYourEar]

This video might be useful too kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHXdlGSFq92bea8

[@Waheezy420]

I have a question that i just cant find the answer to if someone can please help. You know how there are multiple keys for each letter on a piano? Say D for example...ive seen multiple videos where there was mention of how all keys that are D have a similar sound to each other, and all keys that are E have a similar sound to each other, and so on. However, i cannot hear any sort of similarity between keys of the same letter...a C key will sound just as different from another another C key to me as it would from an F key for example. I dont get how keys of the same letter have a similar sound despite being much higher/lower pitch than each other. Please explain!

[@UseYourEar]

Hi there! It seems like you're asking about the concept of octaves and how notes of the same letter in different octaves can be perceived as having a similar sound. In music, an octave is the interval between one musical pitch and another with double (or half) its frequency. On the piano, you'll notice that the keys are arranged in a repeating pattern of 12 notes, consisting of 7 white keys and 5 black keys. Each set of 12 notes is called an octave. When you play a note and then play the same note in the next octave, the pitch of the note is doubled (going up) or halved (going down), creating a sense of similarity in the sound. This is because the frequencies of the notes in different octaves are related by powers of 2 (i.e., if A4 is 440 Hz, then A3 is 220 Hz, and A5 is 880 Hz). It’s ok if, initially, the similarity in the sound of notes of the same letter (such as all the C's) is not super apparent to you. That’s why we practice ear training. That said, I think there is some sort of misinterpretation going on because, in my videos, I usually talk about the sensation that a note assumes within a tonality. If you don’t establish a tonal context clearly, notes of different octaves can definitely assume different feelings, especially if you play other notes in between. So you shouldn’t miss the step of establishing a tonal context properly to begin with. Thanks

[@Huerbass]

Just a quick tip that has helped me: Play a C note or look for a C piano note sustained (I just loop the note on my bass with a pedal), let it play in the background and then over the note playing perpetually you're going to play the each mode up and down, no click, just feel the quality of every scale over the same root. Try to find which note sounds peculiar each scale, if you're a little bit more advanced player try to improvise a few minutes with each scale and abuse that peculiar note you found on each scale. Depending on how it feels for you try to find a drum loop and go crazy. Keep in mind that every key is just one big scale.

[@UseYourEar]

@@Huerbass thanks for your comment. That's definitely a good advice and similar to some tasks we commonly suggests students in our course. However, I just wanna clarify for those who don't know much about our method or ear training in general, that for most people a more detailed guidance, including specific exercises for different tasks (melodic recognition, chord recognition, sight singing, etc.) it's definitely necessary before they can fully internalize the scale degrees sonic sensations. Then there is the whole aspect of musical memory that has a significant impact on applying these skills to real music but that's a whole other discussions. Thanks again for bringing up useful suggestions to the discussion.

[@chadblack6467]

As someone who is new to guitar and doesn't no intervals/scale degrees I feel like I'm going to learn something

[@oliviertakemitsu9583]

What about music dosent have a tonal center? How can we apply this tonallity identification-based methods?

[@UseYourEar]

Could you make examples about what kind of music are you referring to? The vast majority of music we listened to is tonal (meaning: there always is a tonal center at any given time, it might change throughout the song but still there always is one, moreover most of the songs we commonly listen to are written in one single key). Harmonically complex jazz and classical music is still tonal (with few exceptions). Of course, there is dodecaphonic music, and other kinds of purely atonal music. That's usually not pleasing for most humans to listen to, and it kinda turns into random sounds. Anyway, I think this video from us could be helpful for you to clarify what our method does in relation to your doubts kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZOueHx7nqeGe9k

[@oliviertakemitsu9583]

@@UseYourEar Thanks for the reply! You mean that, for example, this method is effective with music like Debussy, Messiaen, Takemitsu? Etc. Impressionistic composers that are not tonal in the macro but they have a sense of tonality and direction in the micro? Even if they use symmetrical modes, odd chords and weird construction blocks that can break that tonallity sense from while to while? Do you have exercises to identify and use our ears smarter when we face things like symmetrical passages? (Octatonic scale, Ten tone scale, messiaen modes)

[@UseYourEar]

@@oliviertakemitsu9583 thanks for your reply. If there is a tonality like you are saying, it's always best to approach the identification of most chords and notes tonally and then deviate from this approach only when it's strictly necessary. I guess you understand that these are complex and very abstract topics, It's hard for me to explain these concepts in a comment. Please checkout the video I linked in my previous comments, where I go more in-depth about my view on this topic. That being said, our method is focused on tonal music for now. Including harmonically complex tonal music (non diationic chords and notes, modulation, etc.), but still tonal so we don't have anything related to Ten tone scale, octatonic scale, etc. as for now. That being said, depending on your current situation, our method could still be helpful for you to get closer to your goals. I explain why and how in the video above. Can't go much more in depth here. Thanks

[@dizzydawn862]

You said a lot of words without sayibg anything. Try using examples or something I swear. It took until mid video for you to stop repeating your introductory phrase

[@UseYourEar]

In this video I explain the most important cognitive mechanisms in recognizing notes by ear, as well as highlighting common issues and mistakes. This is one of the concepts that has deeply changed me as a musician and allowed me to develop my ear training skills, the same happened to thousands of other musicians who are following our method. I understand I might repeat myself too much (by the way that's only because I really care about the concept being clear) but by no means I can understand a comment that says 'I haven't said anything in this video'. If you follow the video and you are able to understand the concept I explain (instead of complaining) you might be much better off on your way to develop a great ear. If you think it's garbage because I'm repeating myself in the video, then good for you. You are the one who is missing out on something that has proven to be transformative for thousands of musicians, not me. Thank you.

[@dizzydawn862]

​@@UseYourEarI said it harshly, but even just honestly if you don't have a clear script in a video like this that just goes over 3 concepts... You include SO much backtracking, justifying, and repitition that it's hard to pick out what you are even trying to convey. Reading the transcript I can pick it out easier than watching the video and attempting to listen. This kind of video is not helpful to recruit students with. Maybe a tighter script, visuals, and an example per core concept would help.

[@UseYourEar]

​@@dizzydawn862 that's exactly what you would find in our course but it's not free.

[@joanb7180]

I found this video helpful. I believe I can get the melody but I want to be able to distinguish SABT parts. Anyway I’ll start the process with a song in mind and see what happens. Thanks

[@UseYourEar]

Can you clarify what do you mean with "SABT parts"?

[@3JoeLee]

Recognize each note in relation to the tonality of the piece? Did I understand correctly? But every note bring it's harmonic meaning in relation to the foundamental of the chord. In a standard there are constant modulation. So...? Thank u

[@UseYourEar]

We face the fact that "every note bring it's harmonic meaning in relation to the foundamental of the chord" in our course. That doesn't mean you can't recognize all notes by the feeling they assume in the tonality of the piece. The fact that there are modulation (key shifts) doesn't really impedes you to recognize notes relative to a key. It's enough to recognize the new key when it changes and you can recognize the notes relative to the new key. By the way, this is the essential skill required to recognize random intervals quickly. So going for interval based ear training doesn't really makes things easier, quite the contrary.

[@3JoeLee]

@@UseYourEar Thank you very much indeed.

[@lilapaloma]

Intro was way too long, get to goods already

[@gabrielobe7447]

I'm guessing you don't get this kind of comment alot. But i understood the explaination as a beginner. Atleast i think i did

[@UseYourEar]

Thank you a lot! New videos are coming soon so stay tuned!

[@kingboris7774]

Can you recommend an app that incorporates this system and strategy that you are referring to ?

[@UseYourEar]

There is our online course that does, it comes with everything you need (audio and pdf files to practice with plus all the video lessons, etc.) check out more at www.useyourear.com

[@KitariItsSomethingRottenHere]

*Why I can play anything by ear, match my voice to notes but I can't name the notes?*

[@UseYourEar]

I don't know...that's definitely weird. Seems like something is missing.

[@KitariItsSomethingRottenHere]

@@UseYourEar *Maybe because I don't know much Music Theory and haven't practice enough. But I play a note and I say "C" but is "A" for example but I play any note and even recognize it from songs, etc. It's weird.*

[@UseYourEar]

@@KitariItsSomethingRottenHere ok, yeah it's weird.

[@proudindian-73]

3rd is used by default in Hindustani Classical Music. It's the only way. It's called Alankars.

[@UseYourEar]

Nice to know that 😉

[@meh4371]

"Stop thinking of intervals" (in the thumbnail getting straight to the point which is nice) Oh so that's a bad thing? sounds about right, all I know is the distance between notes or at-least if the next/prior one is lower or higher. & I can guess at what octave something is and be close if not right, forget actually hitting the right notes though lol.

[@UseYourEar]

Thanks!

[@rproctor83]

The easiest way to figure this out is to spend many thousands of hours studying music theory and practicing. Also, once you do have the skill if you don't practice it regularly it will fade away into the void and you'll have to go in there and fish it back out.

[@UseYourEar]

not exactly, most people just waste time by practicing ineffectively, following ineffective methods and exercises. I'm talking from personal experience too, after wasting 10 years on interval based exercises.

[@rproctor83]

@@UseYourEar Unless you're a virtuoso I think you would still need many thousands of hours though. A four year course is roughly 5 to 10 thousand hours of effort.

[@UseYourEar]

@@rproctor83 I'm actually saying that 10 thousand hours of effort won't be enough if you don't practice following a proper ear training method that forces you to focus on drills that actually make sense. Most stuff out there actually doesn't make sense at all, intervals amongst others.

[@Veetaleek]

I thought i’m the only one who died before minute 5. Sorry, man, but this juice has too much water, really

[@mellonhead9568]

all the jargon is too advanced for me..... reading a book on the basics so far octaves, scales, intervals, tones and semitones on a piano then basic chords....... i just want to play Africa by TOTO on piano....... i like that this channel is all about pitch training seems like

[@UseYourEar]

Yes, our method is derived from cognitive science on music perception and it's all about unlocking and refining your sense of pitch.

[@EvaTruve]

What? Where’s the training?

[@UseYourEar]

Some of it is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHXdlGSFq92bea8

[@danthon1267]

I'm just starting with music, but isn't this second method just the same thing as intervals?

[@UseYourEar]

No not at all, when you practice intervals you don't take tonality (the key of the music) into account, and that's a big issue cause that's not aligned with how we perceive pitch information. Recognizing scale degrees is much different than recognizing intervals

[@danthon1267]

@@UseYourEar ty for the explanation

[@CarensHappySpace]

I never liked trigonometry i feel like im in math class all over again

[@MackenMusic]

This is very contradictory because in the beginning you do need an instrument to Identify the scale. Also the major, minor & many other scales are made by haft step and whole step (minor and major 2nd) these are called intervals. before you can freely sing a scale and know it by heart you need to learn it on an instrument. There’s so many other things I could say about this method that’s Contradictory.

[@UseYourEar]

What's contradictory? That "you can recognize notes by ear without the use of an instrument, using relative pitch skills"? Is it that you are referring too? By the way, this is totally possible (of course since we are talking about relative pitch you will understand note relative to a key, not the absolute note - doing the latter requires perfect pitch). That said, it's not actually needed an instrument to learn the scale. It's obviously true that it helps and most people use it for that reason, but there are plenty of singers who can sing a major scale and don't even know what an instrument is. So I guess your comment wasn't exactly right.

[@thiagoandes2951]

😂bs

[@Katherinedelrosso]

Awesome 👌 👏 👍

[@UseYourEar]

Thank you!

[@thomasdesancha7950]

What is bro yapping

[@UseYourEar]

What do you mean?

[@viralbuthow000]

@@UseYourEar It would be easier if you demonstrated on a piano or something while you explained

[@UseYourEar]

@@viralbuthow000 new videos are coming very soon, they include a lot more examples and explanatory graphics. Stay tuned!

[@jiddeyjiddey]

to anyone interrested. this is just a 12 min video of this dude yapping...

[@NiechoBGCSL]

I admit, I zoned out and started hearing the teacher in the Peanuts Gang cartoon within a few minutes... "Wah wah woh wah wah".... It's hard to gauge how effective a method of instruction will be if you lose people while promoting it. :) I'm not disparaging your method or product. Truly. Visual examples, diagrams, watching a moment of the method presented such as a 5 second clip of someone using it: this approach would have helped a great deal in letting potential students see what is offered, how it is presented instructionally, and if it is something they wish to pursue-- not just the free courses but the paid courses as well. It's a fact that most people don't respond well to a lecture-only approach.

[@UseYourEar]

I guess ear training is very a abstract topic to explain in words. If you want a more practical understanding of our method I suggest you sign up for our free workshop, where there also are multiple tasks and exercises you will have to practice. You can sign up here for free www.useyourear.com/free-workshop-optin-organic

[@UseYourEar]

@@NiechoBGCSL As I've replied to the comment above, I guess ear training is very a abstract topic to explain in words. If you want a more practical understanding of our method I suggest you sign up for our free workshop, where there also are multiple tasks and exercises you will have to practice. You can sign up here for free www.useyourear.com/free-workshop-optin-organic

[@jiddeyjiddey]

@@NiechoBGCSL i feel like my comment was kinda toxic, but basically what you said sums it all up. probably alot of good tips, but you cant focus when its just 12 solid minutes of the host talking with nothing else

[@UseYourEar]

@@jiddeyjiddey This is going to be harsh but honestly, it feels like you are more interested in criticizing what I do than genuinely improving your ear training skills. I agree that this might not be the best video on KZbin, but the concepts shared here can literally pave the way for you to dramatically transform the way you practice and view ear training. If you are so unwilling to put in a bit of effort to overcome my non-optimal delivery, then I think you are missing out on a great opportunity to learn important information that has radically transformed the ear training skills of thousands of musicians. In other words, you are the one missing out on something valuable, much more than I am

[@aspirativemusicproduction2135]

That's not possible for most people no matter how much they try. Maybe if they were trained as children they can do it but that's not what most will ever achieve.

[@judgetoogood1033]

You are not making sense. You know what your saying, but we don’t >. You haven’t said nothing. Speak like your talking to a two year old. I gained nothing…. BYE…..

[@UseYourEar]

I suggest you being by watching other videos from our channel, this might be too advanced to begin with. Also the best way to understand our method is to attend our free workshop, where everything is scripted and explained in very simple words www.useyourear.com/free-workshop-optin-organic

[@lilapaloma]

I learned absolutely nothing, waste of my time

[@UseYourEar]

Hi Lila, if you just ask what you are searching for in specific I would be able to point what video to watch. Anyway, we have 82 videos on our channel. I'm sure you'll find something that is going to help you.

[@viconline2497]

I watched this video at 2x speed and I was dissappointed. It's just gatekeeping the information he'll prolly sell in a course.. Too bad..

[@UseYourEar]

I'm sharing useful info in this video. The fact that the course is more useful and contains much useful more information, exercises, etc. is also true but it's childish to expect everything for free when on the other end creating this method required years and years of hard work. Hope you get the point. If you don't I guess this channel just isn't for you.

[@bronzethebaptist9435]

I made it 3 mins

[@TheNikos333]

A guy just saying theory without application or any visual cue. WASTE OF TIME

[@UseYourEar]

check out our latest shorts then

[@benebad]

this was epiphematically useless

[@UseYourEar]

But also epiphematically right! Thanks

[@marwantamo839]

I have never heard more bullshit.

[@UseYourEar]

What exact bullshit are you referring to? Are you really that expert to know what is bullshit and what isn't when it comes to ear training?

[@rubentalpastizzi]

waste of time!

[@UseYourEar]

Why?

[@tony_saint_marc]

The worst video ever

[@UseYourEar]

How would you make it better?

[@kenny-z8e5n]

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