How to install an In-Tank, Fuel Injection Pump Module, with no return! Part 1

[@FastMonty]

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[@PhoenixLee23]

I am using Edelbrock Pro Flow 4 injection in a '70 El Camino restomod, and I gotta say this is a *much* more elegant solution for fuel delivery than what I was gonna do. Dude you are a wealth of information, so glad I found your KZbin channel! Thanks Mike!

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Lee! Yeah, I love hiding components, and an in tank pump is definitely the way to go. Thanks for the kind words, and welcome to the FMG family! See ya!

[@stephenalishaso]

Great video I think this might be my favorite channel .

[@FastMonty]

Thanks! Much appreciated.

[@justinsharratt7282]

keep up the awesome work brother. Just bought the bottom end and top end from Butler a few days ago so another Pontiac winter project lol.

[@FastMonty]

Ha! Nice ... that'll keep you nice and warm. Thanks for the comment!

[@justinsharratt7282]

@@FastMonty always brother you attention to detail is awesome man.

[@FastMonty]

@@justinsharratt7282 Thanks Justin!

[@djsutice0]

Been watching a lot of your videos lately, as i also have to do a teardown during winter. Last day before winterstorage i developed a ticking lifter, i now have a flat tappet hydraulic, no amount of adjustment (with engine running) can quiet it down, including bottoming out the rocker on the stud. So i did as you did, call butler and orderd a topend kit edelbrock heads 310+ cfm with port matching (TorkerII) same cam as you +++ have still to begin teardown. migth upload some snippets to my channel been years since uploded anything. And keep on uploading, i get a lot of tips watching your channel.

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Stian... sounds like you're in for some fun! Nice selection of components you got there. Keep us posted, and thanks for the comment!

[@johnkennedy8452]

Might I suggest Blu Tack reusable sticky putty for holding the wiring harness secured to the tank . it will be one less thing to worry about while installing the tank.👍✌

[@FastMonty]

Interesting... I'll check it out. Thanks John!

[@brianmartin1133]

Good stuff Mike

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Brian!

[@brianmartin1133]

Mike have you thought about installing a tanks inc trap door in the trunk

[@FastMonty]

@@brianmartin1133 I did consider it... If I ever have to service this pump/sending unit, that'll be the time I commit to that project. :) Thanks!

[@stevebrown6175]

While you are down, test that floatless sender too. My first one was DOA and I didn’t figure out what was wrong until I had a full tank and the car up and running. PITA to take out at that point.

[@FastMonty]

Ohhhh, good point. I'll look into that. Thanks!

[@WaveCrusher]

The real deal here. Thanks for going through all the frustration so we don’t have to. 👍🏻

[@FastMonty]

Thanks! Yeah, the crazy stuff I get myself into. ha, ha...

[@andrer3854]

Thanks for all you do for old school V8 guys. I plan on installing Holley efi, so this is a plus and will definitely be calling Rick's. I also wonder if Holley or Fitech harness will power electric Pontiac water pump. Oh yeah, please let Rick know the tank didn't work.

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Rob... things not fitting quite right is more of an expectation with my car. 😅 To answer your question about the FI harness controlling electric water pumps... I think so. I say that because the FiTech unit I have can control two fans, with two different temp ranges. So, if you use one fan circuit for the fans, and the other for the pump, I think it'll work. When I put mine in, one of these days, I'm also going to wire it so I can manually, or use a turbo timer, to keep the pump going after I turn the engine off. Fun stuff!

[@andrer3854]

nice thanks

[@danw.8180]

Mike, great video. You got any hair left under that cap? I like this set up much better than your first. Good job.

[@FastMonty]

Ha! Thanks Dan... still have my hair, but turning gray quickly. ha, ha... yeah, I love this new set up too, now if I can only get it to freakin fit! Thanks for the comment!

[@65chevelleboys91]

Great video Mike I have a question is - 6 AN sufficiently big enough to support your HP of your Motor I have a big block in my Chevelle I was told I needed -8 so that’s what I used on mine

[@FastMonty]

I assume you have a carb? Fuel injection doesn't need the massive line volume, until you start pushing 800hp, etc... A Carb engine needs a bigger pipe for the mechanical pump to pull from. Thanks for the comment!

[@PhoenixLee23]

The AN-6 conversion fitting at 10:30, where did you get that, I want to do the same thing. Thanks!

[@FastMonty]

Great question... that came with the pump, you just have to ask for the 6AN adapter when you get the pump.

[@wilcox48]

Have you had any vapor lock issues with no return line?

[@FastMonty]

Nope. :)

[@mattcornett7180]

Mike- I’ll be converting my 69 mustang to fuel injection. I’m also going to run an in tank Holly pump that is returnless. It seems like the returnless systems are more prone to vapor lock… what are your thoughts on return vs returnless? Also… I’m looking to add a vent to my tank. What are you doing for a vent or does the new tank have a provision for it? I’m reading that these old cars usually have a vented gas cap but when converting to an in-tank pump, there is a bigger need to vent. Supposedly the pump generates heat enough to raise the temperature of the fuel and thus creating additional expansion/contraction.

[@FastMonty]

I've never heard of Vapor Lock being an issue, UNLESS your tank is not vented properly :) I almost got the Sniper pump you're referring to, but opted for the Baffled Tank from Ricks. Let us know how it goes!

[@carlcasanova6976]

@@FastMonty Hey Matt. Vaporlock from a practical standpoint does not occur forward of the high pressure pump. Where problems occur is at the inlet to the pump due to suction. As in-tank fuel temperatures increase the chances of fuel boiling at the inlet to the pump greatly increase. With a full return system that circulates fuel through a hot engine compartment, the fuel load becomes a giant thermal battery. Though the setup Mike has is all in-tank, it is technically a return type. For larger pumps, it's best to go true returnless where the pump becomes variable speed to match the targeted fuel pressure.

[@FastMonty]

@@carlcasanova6976 Thanks Carl! Love the insight... much appreciated!

[@Rick-O-Shay60]

Does the tank fit a GTO? OH Yeah, for sure, shouldn't be a problem! Uh, it don't fit... hmm, well actually, we never tried it in a GTO. BFH 4 juust a bit of persuasion. What fun would it be if a project goes w/o a hitch eh Mike?

[@FastMonty]

Ha! No joke, right there! I'm not shocked when something doesn't fit anymore... I just need to plan more time around making it fit, every single time. Ha, ha... Thanks for the comment!

[@rbatts9163]

Crazy how ricks aftermarket tank for your gto wouldn’t fit . Does Aeromotive tanks have the same problem with the gto’s as well? I have one for my 70 chevelle and it fit great . But like you said usually it’s always a struggle modding 50 year old cars . 😎😎

[@FastMonty]

Yeah, not all 69 GTO's are the same, ha, ha... Not sure if an Aeromotive tank can fit the LS3 Camaro pump? We'll see how it goes with this one... Thanks!

[@brianmartin1133]

Aeromotive and Holley all use Tanks inc tanks I measured the one I got it looks like it will fit but I will see next month

[@mikeh1348]

are you able to provide a part number for the fitting you used on the sending unit that went over the plastic line feed

[@FastMonty]

Actually, I think I can... check this out... www.vaporworx.com/shop/product/fpofgmqcan6/ If that's not exactly it, contact VaporWorx directly as I'm sure they know exactly what it is you're looking for. Have fun!

[@mikeh1348]

@@FastMonty thank you that helps alot i didnt want to have to use old hose clamps

[@FastMonty]

@@mikeh1348 Ha! Agreed! I'm addicted to AN hoses... they're all over my car. Have fun!

[@Joey-jy7fg]

Will this system work with a carburetor?

[@FastMonty]

If you can dumb down the pressure to 4 to 7 psi, yeah, I don't see why not. I'd ask Vapor Worx, as they're the experts on this stuff. Thanks for the comment!

[@PhoenixLee23]

Can I get your source of the clear pre-tape? Searched aeroflow but no dice... thanks!

[@FastMonty]

Good point, here you go... autoplumb.com/collections/replacement-parts/products/aeroflow-thread-paste-and-non-stick-cutting-film

[@PhoenixLee23]

@@FastMonty Thanks bud!

[@FastMonty]

@@PhoenixLee23 Welcome!

[@Allianceoffroad]

Hey Monty why didnt you use a mech fuel pump for the low pressure side to the sump. This would have got rid of the noise and saved alot of hassle. I just picked up an MSD Atomic efi kit and trying to figure out what way I want to run my fuel set up. Its going into a rock crawler so I like the idea of the sump as well. I can carry the carb on the trail if efi takes a crap and my mech fuel pump would be ready to go if needed. Whats your thoughts? Thanks just sub'd to your channel.

[@FastMonty]

Welcome to the FMG family! Great question... I suspect you're referring to the Force Fuel unit reservoir as the sump. In my installation playlist, I decided to get crazy and mount it in the trunk. So, running a line from the Mechanical pump, didn't make sense. Anyway, that's why I had that loud Holley pump, filling up the sump. Problem solved. Ha, ha... To your point, mounting the Force Fuel unit in the engine compartment is definitely what that's designed for. Otherwise, Plan B should be this video. Thanks for the comment!

[@Allianceoffroad]

@@FastMonty Thanks for the reply. Yes I would be installing it in the engine bay. I heard a lot of horror stories from the first FI tech command center that had no return line. I see the new unit is upgraded and assuming has a return. You end up selling it?

[@FastMonty]

@@Allianceoffroad I still have it. Shoot me an email. [e-mail]

[@ryandoe9278]

I wanted to go to quarantine cruise today, but my electric fuel pump is going out.

[@FastMonty]

Noooo! Welp, I couldn't make it either, because this video series is actually pretty close to real time, and I'm not done with this install. What pump do you have?

[@johnmilner7603]

Wow the tank doesn’t fit. I’d be pissed. But I’m not surprised with the aftermarket.

[@FastMonty]

I was pissed. Ha, ha... but, lesson learned, keep your "fitment" expectations low when upgrading your ride. Thanks for the comment!

[@mikemiller9339]

want to sell your force fuel?

[@FastMonty]

Good idea Mike! Shoot me an email... [e-mail]

[@FastMonty]

Hey Mike... did you want to buy my Force Fuel unit? send me a note... fastmontysgarage at gmail

[@mikeburnett7028]

Isn’t that always the way it happens? You think you’re buying the best, and find out it’s shit

[@FastMonty]

Ha! Too many mods start to add up... but, yeah, it's kind of normal for me now. Buy one cool part, modify 10 other parts to get it to work. Thanks Mike!

[@robertjohnson338]

Bummer, Good information. Surprised you didn’t check fitment before installing all parts what was the fitment issue?

[@FastMonty]

Thanks Robert... lot's of issues, check out part 2 ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqe5fnWeeKp-m9ksi=Z1s9qvAQ0CocAFHn