How To Knead Bread By Hand | Yeast Bread, No Machine, Small Space | Bread with Freshly Milled Wheat

[@GrainsandGrit]

**QUESTION OF THE DAY** Do you knead by hand or machine???

[@gsxrsquid]

machine

[@bonniebon7335]

By hand. I find most online recipes for those with machines do not come out well.

[@This_Holy_Chaos]

Never had a machine to do it for me, so has always been by hand, BUT I haven’t done it for a while. Trying again today 😍

[@JustMe-ju3je]

All by hand. Even the hand grain mill. This is my 3rd time making your honey wheat bread and I had sworn off eating bread prior to learning about home milling from you. Now it is the only bread I eat! I love this recipe and am so very grateful for your videos! Thank you for bringing bread back into my life and encouraging me to stop avoiding cooking!

[@Shananana99]

For now, hand. Thanks for all the tips. Maybe my next loaf won’t be so dense 😊

[@conniejofoster9180]

I am currently learning how to bake my bread with fresh milled flour(usually with half hard white half hard white wheat). When I started making bread using all purpose unbleached or bread flour I would hand knead it until I could see little blisters on the surface of my dough and it was a great way to determine when I could stop kneading. I am 81 now and have arthritis in my wrists and hands but always enjoyed kneading my bread by hand.

[@zaizen4359]

Hi! I just wanted to say that today I made my first bread, EVER, using your video. I am so thankful for you taking the time to make such an informative video, and take a lot of the intimidation-factor out of making your own bread! I bought a mockmill 100 awhile back (it’s SO loud 😬 but seems to do the job well so far!) and that’s what I used to grind the berries. I am someone who typically avoids grains in my diet as any bread or flour I buy seems to negatively affect my body in some way. I also have other food tolerance issues. However, this has not always been the case, and after coming across Sue Beckers videos I got really eager to try making my own bread to see if I could tolerate it. After eating this bread, I noticed an almost immediate increase in mental clarity and energy. The opposite of what usually happens when I eat grains! I find this truly amazing, especially as I was under the impression that you needed to ferment grains before consuming. To think I can just enjoy bread. Not going to lie, it’s got me tearing up a bit. Looking forward to future baked goods and hopefully a healthier life!!! Thank you again!

[@zaizen4359]

Just to add a couple of tid bits that perhaps others may find useful: I cut this recipe in half, and it makes a good sized loaf!!! I baked mine in a dutch oven (lid on, removed lid 5-10mins towards end for browning) as I don’t currently own loaf pans. Cooking it this way, I had to let it cook longer. It took about 40mins, and I probably could have left it in a few mins longer. However, the bread was still delicious!!!

[@GrainsandGrit]

That's amazing. And it's why I do what I do. So glad you found these truths. Thanks for sharing!

[@earlschultz7880]

I keep coming back to your videos to help me in making my bread. This summer I have had some problems with my bread getting moldy, some in the frig, others left out on the counter. So back I come to watch you do it, with or without a mixer - thanks so much for your help!

[@tinadyck6257]

Oh my goodness!! Just what I need!! Been looking for a hand kneading video for FOREVER!!

[@GrainsandGrit]

I really hope this helps!!

[@jeannettedarnell3310]

I've been milling for 6 months now. My space is so small I've just been kneading in my large mixing bowl. It's been working out fine. I love this double loaf recipie. It was exacly what I was looking for!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Wonderful! :-)

[@ladybugssunflowers7076]

I made my very first loaves of bread from milled hard red wheat and hard white wheat today. It took a long time for it to come together in the mixer. Pretty sticky. LOL I added a little more as you suggested. Finally started to take shape. We are now attempting to wait for it to cool is we can try it. Thank you so much for your information. I am so very excited to have found your channel. I only wish I had started this when my children were younger. I appreciate you taking time to make these videos and look forward to learning more from you. Blessings to you.

[@wambuiimbo1144]

Thank you so much. I have learned how to knead bread by hand. I just started last week and I don’t have all the equipments so this video is so helpful. Since I started milking my own flour and baking my own bread bloating is gone. Thank you so much

[@missygarrett5078]

Thank you for making this video! I typically knead mine in my Zojirushi bread machine or Ankarsrum mixer. However I would like to be less dependent on my machines, which is why I’m watching this video. I’ve been enjoying your channel 😀. I will be sharing!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Thank you so much! I understand about not relying on machines. They are such a time saver, but if we lose electricity or the machine breaks, it's good to already know how to do it by hand. So glad you have been enjoying this channel :-)

[@chrisdupree8382]

Thank you so much for this video! My first two attempts at bread from home ground grains were horrible and I was afraid I was gonna have to buy one of those fancy mixers that I just can't afford right now BUT then I followed this video to the letter and my loaves turned out nearly PERFECT. they are a little crumbly but I can work that out with practice I think. So again thank you so much for this video

[@GrainsandGrit]

Wonderful!!

[@florencemcowen5526]

I used to knead all my bread and any dough recipes by hand, but my brother bought me a Kitchen Aid, and it has made such a difference. We did just get a small mill (linkchef) and both have made my life easier

[@heatherj3385]

Thank you!!!! This is an excellent recipe. The bread turns out soft and delicious. I used hard red wheat and spelt just like you did. This will be my new go to recipe.

[@JESUSistheWORDJn1]

Thank you soo much ❤ If you don't have a grain mill YOU CAN USE A BLENDER it just HAS to be dry , use your blow dryer if you need to but make sure it's dry❤

[@GrainsandGrit]

Yep, but it won't be as fine, and you can only do very small batches at a time. But where there is a will there is a way!

[@Noniofseven]

I’m pretty new to this.. bought a manual grinder and halve you recipe.. making two 1# loaves which is perfect for the two of us. And yes… after all that grinding (t takes about 45 minutes!) I still spend 20 minutes kneading by hand. All good. 👍

[@GrainsandGrit]

Wonderful!

[@PutGodFirst2112]

Yours is the best and easiest bread recipe I've used. It comes out perfect every time.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Great to hear!

[@barbarabeattie2403]

I've been making bread for years, by hand. I've always just used store bought flour. I recently learned, (from your channel !,) the nutritional importance of using wheat berries and grinding your own flour. I have purchased a non- electric hand grinder and 80 lbs of wheat berries. I have been prepping for a year now and soon I will be making my first batch! Thank you for all the helpful tips & information!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Wonderful! Stick around for more!!

[@brucecourt5277]

Thanks for these videos. I used the info, did a one loaf recipe. & it worked. We got an old Magic Mill from my mom.

[@GrainsandGrit]

That is so awesome! Glad this video helped.

[@thedixiebelle7841]

SUCH a helpful video! Very detailed and step-by-step! I felt like you were right in my kitchen showing me.☺️👍🏻

[@GrainsandGrit]

Yay! So glad it was helpful!

[@Impulse_Photography]

I've been milling for about 8 months using my manual WonderMill. So far, it's been bread only using Hard Red & Hard White grains. Once I mastered the issue of yeast, my loaves turn-out fantastic. But now, I want to get away from the bread machine completely because that is only one loaf at a time. I am going to start mixing in my KitchenAide and kneading by hand. I even bought a cheap tabletop plastic storage container w/ lid, so I can use it as my proofing box - - I'm putting a planting heating pad underneath it with it's in use.

[@sandydickinson6193]

My Wonder Mill will be here in a couple days and I cannot wait to follow your recipe! 🍞🌾🤗

[@janiceervin428]

So glad I found your channel!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤

[@tobycooper9218]

Bread is something I had troubles understanding, mainly the yeast but I'm definitely going to be trying this at home. New to the channel and I know it's a little late to this video but definitely earned a subscriber. Closest I can get to right now is my pumpkin bread so I can't wait to see how this turns out! By the way I can definitely relate to the bugs in FL and the weather lol some people wouldn't understand unless they lived here.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Welcome aboard! You can do this!!

[@HolyFamilyHomesteadWV]

I have a vintage Oster mixer, and I think I have a dough hook. Recently, I’ve just been using a quick bread recipe so I haven’t needed a mixer but I’d like to branch out, especially once I get my grains and beans. So I’ll definitely be experimenting with what I have.

[@heidihudgens60]

Thank you for this!! I don't think my off brand stand mixer is doing a good job kneading and my bread machine is super inconsistent. I wanted to learn how to knead bread by hand. I can't wait to try this!

[@JamieCamile495]

I just found your channel the other day. I’m 61! It’s been with in the past three weeks that I’ve learned about fresh milled bread. I went head long and bought me a mill and some hard white wheat berries. I baked my first loaf last week. It slightly fell in the oven and it wouldn’t hold together when we put any butter or honey on it. Maybe it needed to be kneaded more. Don’t know. I used the Fleshmans yeast but the package says Gluten Free. The lady I watched last week let her bread rise in the bowl for an hour +, so I followed her directions. Then she kneaded it after the first rise. After shaping and putting in the pan letting it rise for another hour, an inch above the pan. Baking @ 400* for 30 minutes. I let it cool before taking out of the pan. I cooled for an hour or so. It tasted good. I’m going to try your method of proofing and maybe knead a bit more.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Welcome aboard! No worries. It took me many of years to finally get it right. But yes, proofing and kneading are important. Also, have you joined our elite membership group? We can troubleshoot together there: bit.ly/3ta2LTc

[@raehenderson]

I melt refrigerated bacon grease to add to the batter plus I put a bit in the cast iron skillet and place in a pre heated oven to get hot before adding the batter. This adds a healthy amount of saturated fats to the diet and the bottom crust is almost crunchy. Plus it seasons the cast iron so all I have to do is wipe out the cooled skillet. No sugar since we eat too much sugar. But real butter when it comes out of the oven LOL. This is old time Southern cornbread. ❤

[@GrainsandGrit]

My mouth is watering. That's the real mccoy right there!

[@michellegage]

I’m beyond excited!! I made my first ever loaf of bread, milling my own grains and following along with your recipe video. It came out perfectly!! The kneading worked great, and I impressed myself, as I had doubts that I would be successful with it. Thank you!!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Wow, that's wonderful! I'm so glad it helped! Hopefully I earned your sub, then. Thanks for watching!

[@domesticgoddess5584]

I'm glad you put your hair up. Those who don't, creep me out. Thanks!

[@sherriruiz339]

I am new to milling my own grains and baking bread with it. I appreciate your channel. Thank you and you are a lot of fun...God bless..Sherri-Payette Idaho

[@GrainsandGrit]

You are so welcome - thanks for watching!!

[@deltanaturals]

Hi, my first try came out mostly great. But, right in the center of the loaf it was a little bit gummy. Why would that be? Not enough flour? Not in the oven long enough? Knead more? I have no idea since I am new to FMF and also bread making. Thank you so much for this recipe. Hoping I can perfect it!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Sorry you're having difficulty. I wish I could answer every question on here!! Are you in our exclusive membership group, The Grainie Bunch? It's an incredibly supportive community, and I do troubleshoot one-on-one in there. Check it out: www.grainsandgrit.com/thegrainiebunch

[@aprilstutzman9231]

I have an ankarsrum mixer. It is amazing!

[@wallyheinrich767]

Thanks for the great tutorial on kneading bread by hand.

[@GrainsandGrit]

You are so welcome!

[@wallyheinrich767]

@GrainsandGrit Orowheat makes a delicious honey wheatberry bread. I can't get it here in Texas. But every time, we go back to California to visit our daughter. I make sure I buy some.

[@virginiabuckles]

I’m so glad I found your channel! 💕 I just started milling my own grain 3 weeks ago. Such a huge learning curve, looking forward to learning! :) Oh and I have a kitchen aid mixer. 🌸

[@GrainsandGrit]

Welcome!! It is definitely a learning curve lol But you can do this!!! If you have any questions don’t hesitate to ask 😄

[@virginiabuckles]

@@GrainsandGrit Thank you!! 💕

[@vinnettepope8255]

Awesome 👌 👏 👍 hand knead bread 🍞 tutorial 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@courtneyellis4248]

Your videos have been so helpful!

[@kappyb7222]

I have a Vitamix to grind the wheat berries and a KitchenAid mixer with a dough hook.

[@ellenkohlman6400]

I made hot dog and burger buns with Organic red fife wheat berries and they were great! Husband said best buns EVER! We just got to near Bradenton Florida this week for the winter, I brought my new used Kitchen mill and 3 bags of different berries. This recipe was so easy, didn't need to make a sponge and wait 24 hours!!! But it was cool here today so it took about 40 min to rise and I could have left them go longer before baking. I used half a recipe and got 8 wide hot dog buns and 2 burger buns. We fit 2 dogs on 1 roll! Kneaded by hand cause I couldn't fit the kitchenaid in the car! LOL! Thank you, I'm buying you 2 coffees!😘

[@GrainsandGrit]

Hey, you're just a couple hours south of me!

[@ellenkohlman6400]

@@GrainsandGrit Kinda far to meet up for lunch! I love your channel.

[@bargeiger50]

I currently have KA mixer and have just purchased an artiste mixer, it’s coming tomorrow. So excited because I’ll be able to make a larger batch, because my KA doesn’t like large batches with the freshly milled flour.

[@GrainsandGrit]

YAY!

[@lindapearson2376]

I actually have a Bosch, Kitchen Aid (both purchased as a surprise to me, by my husband), mini Bosch, & 2 bread machines. I also knead bread by hand. Just depends on the day & what I am making which item I use.

[@esteehammer1248]

Just received my ebay Pampered chef loaf pan in. Will make one loaf over the weekend. Wish me luck since I'll be trying my first loaf with bagged whole wheat and spelt flours to get rid of them 🤞.

[@ginarendon4275]

Fav is chocolate chip too… these look amazing 🤤 ❤

[@luchyreeder959]

I have Pampered Chef mixer and also a KitchenAid

[@ChelleOnWheels]

I have a chronic illness, so I invested in a KitchenAid specifically for bread making. There's no way I could kneed it by hand! I actually bought my mixer before I bought my grinder because I was able to get fresh-ground flour from Mother at first.

[@ArmyNurse1776]

Felicia, girl that's awesome, but I will use the Bosch...can I put this whole dough in the large Pullman pan 4x4x13?

[@hollyelliott9625]

Do I need to sift the hard red flour before making bread?

[@GrainsandGrit]

No, not at all! Keep that healthy bran in there.

[@donnaparks2181]

Thank you!! Just getting started!

[@mattcatlett2677]

You're a great teacher! Great video! Thanks!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Thanks! Glad it was helpful!

[@glendabyford8074]

I make all our bread by hand. I use a danish dough hook to start getting it mixed at first and then go over to just my hands.. it works great and we have beautiful large loaves of bread. I used to have a kitchen aid mixer but it died and I just have never replaced it and honestly i don’t see the point of spending that money right now.. For a matter of fact I am making bread right now here in north Alabama and the dough is rising as I type this..

[@GrainsandGrit]

Ha! How appropriate making bread while watching this. I’ve heard of the Danish dough hook but I really am curious what makes it so special. I would love to hear your thoughts 😄

[@glendabyford8074]

@@GrainsandGrit I love it and it helps me mix my dough up even better than a wooden spoon. The one I have had a larger handle so it is easier for me to get into the bread dough. lol!

[@GrainsandGrit]

@@glendabyford8074 I’ll have to try it some day!

[@tinadyck6257]

Success!!! Thanks for your hands on knowledge!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Yayyy!!! So thrilled it turned out well for you 😄

[@melindabanning4497]

I am kind of the opposite, I had my Bosh mixer for a very long time and I not the money to get a fancy grain mill. I found a nice hand crank for just a little over $100 and it has an option for a motor which will get eventually. I need in my Bosh and them need some a little by hand. I like Kamut and the hard red together, I need to try it with the spelt.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Kamut acts a lot like spelt in my experience. I’ve done hard red and kamut before and it was delicious!

[@innesfrey9602]

Thank you for the video 👍

[@pamobrian259]

With my sourdough bread, I do a slap and fold method. I wonder if it ever would work with this kind of bread

[@susan6942]

Just love homemade bread yum

[@katiedanderson]

I'm trying to binge your videos and all the newbie stuff and am admittedly overwhelmed... That being said, I am a regular sourdough artisan baker and skilled cook, so I am hoping once I start, the milling will flow. One question I had is what grains should I start with? I have hard red berries here, but what should I stock next for regular baking? And do you have a sourdough recipe?

[@GrainsandGrit]

I recommend downloading my free Newbie Guide: bit.ly/3XgUWrD

[@kimberlieiler3208]

Love my kitchen aid for bread but I’m saving my money for a Bosch because I am making bread for my grandchildren ❤️

[@GrainsandGrit]

That’s wonderful!!!

[@yasomos7]

I'm just starting in this new adventure of milling our own grain and baking! But I have a quick question what is the best oil you guys use that won't live a funny flavor?

[@GrainsandGrit]

Welcome! I like peanut oil, myself.

[@wendyshine8548]

Thank you!! Do you use the frozen wheat berries right from the freezer or do you bring them to room temperature first?

[@GrainsandGrit]

I don't freeze them.

[@susan6942]

Ran out of honey can I use maple syrup

[@vinnettepope8255]

I have a Bosch compact

[@joannestretch]

can i use sugar instead of honey? wondering if it will change the recipe I can't eat honey, tks

[@Leticia-60]

Ordered my machines needed today, received my grains today, so I’m trying this recipe with my vita-mix-🤷‍♀️🤔 wishing myself luck on this… (1/12/2023 @7:40pm). Kneading by hand might not work out 100%- have pain on my whole back😢. I only have hard red grain-is my bread going to be okay .

[@GrainsandGrit]

I hope everything works out for you. Have you considered going with a bread machine?

[@HolinessFellowshipmeeting31]

Hey falicia this is torey. I have a bosch mixer when making bread. I do have a question. How do you know when you have enough flower in the bowel and how does the bosch tell you when you have flower to nead the bread?

[@GrainsandGrit]

When it just starts to pull away from the sides of the bowl.

[@HolinessFellowshipmeeting31]

@@GrainsandGrit another question, how do you know once your dough is starting to pull away from the sides of the bowel of the bosch mixr? As a blind person i won’t be able to see it.however as a musician i can hear when the bosch is changing from one note to the otherlol. Are you a musician?

[@ruxandrairimia6220]

what about using sourdough starter?

[@dericandtobiwhatley6691]

I knead by hand! If I can’t afford honey, can I use sugar to make yeast bread? Or can it be left out completely??

[@GrainsandGrit]

You can leave it out. It just won't be quite as tasty.

[@brendadodd1075]

I use me bosch universal

[@chanteaparian9346]

Where is your recipe book????! I knead it!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Stay tuned!

[@jacyharrison1086]

I am wondering if anyone knows if I can exchange the yeast for a sourdough starter and the knead for a fold method. I love the taste of this bread. I might have to do some experimenting.

[@REDCRANE1944]

I have a Facelle mixer

[@sarahking4913]

Have you ever tried using the oil to knead the bread instead of incorporating it into the dough? I'm curious if it would work!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Not oil, but I have just wet my hands with water before.

[@jamimccormack9220]

My dough is always so sticky… and then dense because of adding flour. I have been using recipe from Sue’s red cookbook so I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. I need to trot this way.

[@GrainsandGrit]

I had the same problem - before I spent years converting that recipe. Here's the one to follow: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGOwfqqXf56AoMk

[@jamimccormack9220]

@@GrainsandGrit thank you so much!

[@jamimccormack9220]

@@GrainsandGrit m’y dough came together much better! It’s in the oven now.. thank you. 🙏

[@claudiagill3100]

Thank you for saying that people have been doing this for long time like thousands of years with hands with stone grinds. However I am finally getting the wondermill and Bo mixer. Meanwhile I have used vitamix and magic bullet today to grind wheat berries-coarse yes, and no kneaded dough turned out to be a “brick “,which I will definitely still eat!!! But you have encouraged me. Thanks for the sweat poured video.

[@GrainsandGrit]

You can do it! Good for you, investing in your skills and health!

[@gsxrsquid]

I want to make baguettes from fresh ground wheat. Should I use Hard white or hard red wheat berries?

[@GrainsandGrit]

I would start with hard white :-)

[@emfriesen6719]

Felicia, do you ever weigh your grains or do you always measure the flour in cups? Do you know how many grams of wheat you would use in this recipe?

[@emfriesen6719]

Give or take, of course.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Ha no I never weigh my flour for this recipe. As far as converting to the metric system, I did this on my original video for someone. Looks like I came out with 2.1 - 2.2 liters of flour. According to handy dandy calculators on Google, that’s about 1155 grams - 1210 grams. Please take this with a grain of salt because I’m solely going off of conversion calculators not me actually weighing it 😄

[@cynthiafletcher2063]

Thanks for the video. I have a 25 lb container of hard red wheat berries and I refuse to pay hundreds for a power mixer.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Nothing wrong with good old fashioned elbow grease. I did that for years. But it sure is nice not to have to do that anymore. And it does knead a bit better than I do.

[@barbarawilliams979]

Great video! Thank you and God bless you.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Thanks Barbara!!

[@ajg9758]

Thank you so much for posting this 😭😂

[@18883434262]

Thank you 🙏

[@lauriespindler3068]

I have signed up for the grain calculator, but I have never received it. What am I doing wrong?

[@GrainsandGrit]

Please send me an email [e-mail] 😀

[@mamaduck308]

My question is - ONE RISE with truly whole wheat flour? My mind is blown. I have been making bread with hard red twice a week for a few months now and saving some time would be excellent. Would tgat work if I'm not using spelt and just using 100% hard red? I wanted to use my kitchenaid mixer, but I have to make large loaves like you, and my 5 qt mixer can't handle that much dough. I've tried making two batches back to back, but they always turn out slightly differently when I do that.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Yep, one rise is all you need: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGOwfqqXf56AoMk

[@robinbrentnall2760]

Try using oil at the end very small amount

[@hannahmacmillan355]

I just made this for the first time and just took them out of the oven! I bought tins that are 2.5in deep like you suggested but they still seem shallower and smaller than yours, and the loaves were already higher than the tins before they even started rising, and they are like double the height of the tin after baking. They’re HUGE. 😳 Can you or anyone else send a link to a specific bread tin that will work for this recipe?

[@GrainsandGrit]

Wow, your loaves must really be rising well! Are you in our elite supporters group? We can compare notes in there: bit.ly/3ta2LTc

[@lmps1209]

By hand. I am new to this.

[@HeyMJC]

Kitchen aid standing mixer. I didn’t think to use it until this video though. Lol. I thought dough had be hand kneaded.

[@GrainsandGrit]

You can hand knead, but it just takes longer (and a lot more work!)

[@pamobrian259]

I have a KitchenAid mixer, but not able to buy a great meal yet

[@makennahmariesellers7569]

What is a 3 3/4 cups

[@GrainsandGrit]

3 cups plus 3 quarters of a cup

[@lauratempestini5719]

What if bread is grainy and taste like baking soda even after sifting

[@GrainsandGrit]

Something sounds off. Are you in our supporter membership group? We can troubleshoot in there: bit.ly/3ta2LTc

[@Leonie-s9f]

I fail so badly at this... when my kneed my dough becomes sticky and wet so fast, it sticks to my hands , so I have to add more and more and more flour to be able to continue kneeding... and after 20 minutes, this dough still isn't strechy but just breaks apart when I try to strech it..

[@gracef244]

HI FELICIA. I've got a new question. Now that I've got the PERFECT loaf going on (BECAUSE OF YOU AND THIS VIDEO), my issue is that my loaves are TOO SOFT....seriously, yes, too soft! So, I've covered them midway through baking with foil just lightly over top to avoid becoming too brown, I've lowered the rack thinking that they needed to be lower so the top wouldn't brown too quickly and the bottom could be closer to the element in the oven...ugh. Tonight, when I went to remove my loaves from the pan, they were WAY TOO SOFT again! Ugh, they're back in the oven under a foil tent for another 10 minutes. What could be going on??? (Using SUe Becker's basic bread recipe)

[@GrainsandGrit]

Good question. 1) What wheat(s) are you using? and 2) are you waiting until the bread is COMPLETELY cooled off before slicing in to it?

[@gracef244]

@@GrainsandGrit, THANK YOU for always answering people's quesitons. I'm using red hard wheat, I definitely am waiting for my bread to completely cool. NOBODY is allowed to touch the loaves for an hour! lol. The recipe says to bake for 30 minutes at 350. I am definitely doing that. It's just that when I take them out of the pan, I'm noticing how SOFT and squishy they still are. On Friday, I just stuck the loaves back into the oven for another 10 minutes. They were better, but still so so soft. literally almost too soft to handle when taking them out of the pan. I should seriously send you a video clip of it. They are fully cooked, but without that hollow sound when you tap the bottom. So tonight I made another 2 loaves and decided to just lay a sheet of foil over top to avoid burning (ok, nothing burned, but they got quite dark - which is fine) and give them an extra 10 minutes. They did come out "less" squishy, but still almost too soft to handle, and also a little less moist, but they were nice inside. I guess my concern is that when they're placed on the cooling rack, laying on their sides, they still are so soft that they just get indentation from the rack (cosmetic, lol) and then squish a bit on the side they're laying. I am definitely improving, but not getting that firm, hollow sound your get when you tap them. they also shrink in size a bit once they cool. sigh. THanks for helping me problem solve.

[@GrainsandGrit]

Ok, a few more things to try 😄 1) Do you keep your loaves in the pan for 10-15 minutes after pulling them out of the oven? I have found my bread is a bit softer if I IMMEDIATELY put them on a cooling rack. Leaving them in the pans outside the oven for another 10 minutes helps. 2) not sure if this would affect it, but do you live in a high altitude area?

[@gracef244]

@@GrainsandGrit the last 2 times, yes, I did leave them in 15 minutes before removing them. Altitude: the elevation of my town is 2093feet.

[@GrainsandGrit]

@@gracef244 hmmm, you said you're using Sue Becker's recipe and not mine? Are you adding in the lecithin she calls for in her recipe? Lecithin helps soften the bread, so maybe try it without if you're using it. I don't use lecithin in my recipe.

[@chriscabel8924]

After you have all the ingredients Incorporated could you let the dough autolysis for one hour and let it knead naturally

[@robinbrentnall2760]

Hand it’s hard with ez bread ufff lol

[@tiggywinkle7522]

Bread machine. I use it because I work, and it's convenient. Free at a garage sale!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Score!!!

[@tinadyck6257]

I just really didn’t want to have to buy one more machine!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Lol I totally get this. For me I’m selective about my machines. For this reason, I don’t have an Instapot. I have a crock pot and I don’t see the need having two.

[@gracef244]

@@GrainsandGrit I purchased an instant pot when my crock pot suddenly decided it was retired, and died. 8 qt as well. It is pretty lovely.

[@GrainsandGrit]

@@gracef244 I can see me possibly buying an Instapot when my crockpot kicks the bucket so long as it can also be used as a crock pot. I just don't need any more appliances in my kitchen lol

[@gracef244]

@@GrainsandGrit yes, i ONLY got my instant pot when my crock pot died. It does have a slow cook option. Kind of love that. Last year we downsized to a rental, so we have a much smaller kitchen, so I agree about no more adding to appliances! The question I always ask is, "OK, if that comes in, what's going out!?!"

[@cryptotrailer2386]

Too long of videos to follow on a regular basis.

[@victoriapresley7384]

Thanks!

[@GrainsandGrit]

Aww you're too kind