How to lose your fans - Henry Cavill vs. Pablo Schreiber

[@colbunkmust]

When you realize the real Halo show was a machinima made in 2003 by a handful of friends talking about whether a truck looked more like a pig or a cat. 🐓👄

[@workingjellyfish]

"What, like a puma?"

[@colbunkmust]

@@workingjellyfish "What in Sam hell's a puma?"

[@bebop_557]

My personal favorite was the Of Mice & Men video they did. Also check out the HALO anime (Legends from 2010), it's a much better HALO show.

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

I miss Red vs Blue

[@stemill1569]

When? It was obvious the first moment. It was always a terrible made show. From first day until today. But the worst was never the "graphics". It always was the lack of characters in the story. Not even the Master Chief got anything more interesting than Blowing things up and splitting skulls. That's also known as bad writing.

[@Devil-Made]

The greatest miracle of modern Hollywood … …is that a guy like Henry Cavill exists. That guy rocks. I know it’s been said plenty of times already over the years, but every time I hear him talk about his love of the Witcher and fantasy novels and video games it just makes my heart smile a little bit.

[@workingjellyfish]

He must protect him at all costs.

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

He is a cultural treasure lol He needs to hook back up with Gina Carano and make gorgeous nerd babies

[@PJKP82]

"Optimising for the medium." Excellent producer talk. She should call Kennedy, talk about a Star Wars project.

[@Peak_Aussieman]

Modern Halo is basically like watching someone have a schizophrenic episode.

[@stemill1569]

That's why it fits to the witcher. That show ended on the same ground. But with the witcher I would say more because of continue reuse of old scenes.

[@HunterForHire422]

"They wanna see someone be a bit bad." Understatement of the decade. Feels like i can't see anyone who's just a bit good anymore in anything mainstream

[@rickamsler3088]

My biggest complaint about the "silver timeline" was that they refused to actually adhere to the principal of that implication. 1. what is the "flashpoint" event that makes this timeline different from the original? 2. how does this event alter the timeline in the long run? 3. (the story occurs here) how does the change affect the characters/events that are different in this timeline? They never fully committed to even the concept of "alternate timeline" because as you stated the timeline of the original becomes even more important. because now any and all changes require some level of explanation as to how and why they are different. The end result of the series ends up being playing in the sandbox with no understanding of how and why things existed, why things happened, and how characters grew and evolved over time. My 2 big examples are: 1. Madrigal - in the original timeline this planet fell to the covenant in 2525. but in the silver timeline this planet which was a very outer colony, is only just discovered in 2552. and is still un-glassed after Reach has been destroyed? how? why? the covenant should have destroyed this world decades prior. 2. the UNSC Condor. Not even developed until around 2554 or 2555. and having only "limited" slipspace capacity due to the major advancements in Miniaturization due to Forrunner technology savaging and reverse-enginering. so again why does this ship even exist at this point? And that doesn't even begin to approach the issue you brought up at the end of the video. using an IP without respecting everything and everyone that the IP represents.

[@workingjellyfish]

Agreed on all accounts. The silver timeline is too generous a term, as its literally a justtifaction for the shallow writing and inconsistent Halo window dressing that doesn't survive contact with the first fan interrogation.

[@SourRobo8364]

Henry Cavill is the GOAT. He deserves better. Hope he lands a project that respects him.

[@nslater1388]

Hey, at least Pablo is being honest about how little he knows and how he approached the role. He could've lied to garner favor.

[@workingjellyfish]

I tried to be as fair as possible to him.

[@FlyingCircles]

Personally I think if he went that route he'd only end up digging himself a deeper grave because the truth would become apparent sooner or later. Really three shouldn't be a need for the actor to be an advocate for the show material. If they're a fan, that's great! If not, great! If they're the ONLY source material advocate, though, then it's a backwards situation. Cavill seized the opportunity to leverage his position and advocate for how the show really should have been - he did what he could, but could only do so much. He went aboooooove and beyond. Pablo would have fared better among fans to be more aware of his character's actual history etc but he doesn't necessarily need to be a fan or well educated in the lore to get it right AS LONG AS the show runner/etc can steer him in THAT direction. Cavill was a tire on a car with a bad steering wheel. He wobbled the car in an attempt to course correct, but Pablo is fine to just let the wheel steer him because that's frankly his job. The show Andor is an interesting example of this. It's brilliant - next to Rogue One it is probably the best executed & produced Start Wars content yet. Tony Gilroy? Not a fan. Much/most of the cast? Not necessarily fans. Mostly theater figures. Yet they pulled off the most accurate, most gifting content yet because they weren't concerned about hijacking the IP to deliver "their own vision" of it. They simply set out to make quality content they way they knew how, and in the process advocates for the source material kept them informed of what matters and they LISTENED. In a sea of wacky, wayward star wars content Andor stands alone as something truly mature and brilliant. Yet initial viewership suffered because of poor publicity and the fact that there aren't lightsabers in every episode (hyperbole, but still the point). I don't expect Disney to learn from it, but I really HOPE they do. They don't necessarily need the show runner or actors to be fans in order to make quality content - as long as they LISTEN to fans and account for that

[@Hatzi89]

The man is an arrogant dick, his honesty was little more then a middle finger towards the fandom

[@noneed4me2n7]

Caville is like the super Saiyan of nerds in so far as being into your hobby. Wish we had more with his mindset both behind and in front of the camera. Tired of IP usurpers who’d rather use said IP as a personal soapbox for the own BS instead of a good story and characters.

[@Megatron_95]

Even with me not beginning a fan of the Witcher, I side with the fans that Cavill got screwed over as the White Wolf

[@Amdor]

3:20 - I had to stop. As a pc gamer I didn't really play halo much. But I did WATCH gameplays. This guys is talking out of his ass about no personality on MC.

[@Shenaldrac]

It reminds me of the Metroid Other M defenders who say that its depiction of Samus is good because she now has a personality whereas before she didn't have one. As though not having dialogue means a character lacks a personality...

[@JimmyThree-Balls]

More over if he researched the Witcher show the fans hated it for the same reason the halo fans hated that show

[@IceBrys]

I've watched dozens of your videos, I think you're one of the best written creators in this space. Who was gonna tell me you have only 10k subscribers?? I've never looked at the viewcounts, how are you not so much bigger???

[@bloodysimile4893]

Master cheek: Master chief has no character. Me: Fall of reach, The Flood, Operation Frist Stirke. Forward until dawn. Halo CE, 2, 3, 4, even Infinite. Master cheek argument how the same weight as kk saying Star Wars don't have external media beyond the movies when the whole legend series exist.

[@Peak_Aussieman]

Let the image of the Chiefs sweaty man ass serve as something of an epitaph for what used to actually be a pretty good series of games up until Halo 4.

[@samreddig8819]

Up till 5. 4 was great. If they doubled down after 4 instead of trying to backtrack in 5 (and again in infinite), we'd be looking at dn excellent second trilogy.

[@Peak_Aussieman]

@@samreddig8819 I've always been that weird guy who defended Halo 4 and I agree yeah Halo 4 was good change of pace and deserves credit for trying to flesh out and wrap up the logical end point of Chief and Cortana's story which had been the focal point of an entire trilogy of games beforehand, with the Arbiter's story arc and the splintering of the Covenant serving as a neat side show during Halo 2. Halo 4 is good, if you frame it as the conclusion to an old trilogy, not the start of a new one, and I think that was the fundamental flaw in 343's Halo where they though Halo 4 could serve as an origin story for Chief the Marvel Superhero, not Chief the Spartan trained for war from the age of 6 onwards. It's actually kinda tragic in a way when you factor in what could have been. If you were going to make more Halo games beyond Halo 4 that did try and marvelise and flesh out the world, which would have had potential is if you focussed on smaller scale stories fleshing out minor characters, or even try and incorporate the book lore, like for instance Admiral Cole's first real naval engagement with the Covenant and the early stages of the Battle for Harvest, cause there's like 5 years worth of stuff that just isn't going to get fleshed out now, you could even have a few missions as Johnson, or maybe do something really weird and zany where you play as the Arbiter for the whole game, or maybe a Forerunner centric game where you fight against the Flood while the Halo's are being built. If you absolutely must have the Chief be the main character in a new Halo game again, I rememeber following Halo 4's release and a continuation of the story without Cortana, my Halo 5 would have been like an ONI black ops operation where ONI or the UNSC deep state pulls some skullduggery to replace the Arbiter so as the Elites can be more readily subjugated by humanity, and you still could have had the 343 trope of the UNSC being the bad guys but at least it would have made sense. And Halo 5 as it is displays elements of this but it was derailed by the need to bring back Cortana and the stupid Warden Eternal.

[@MrDj232]

​@@samreddig8819 Halo 4 jumped the shark by introducing Bigger Jaws. A Family Guy gag should not accurately describe the plot of anything.

[@firestarter6488]

If Halo 4 was a good game, where were all the players, hmm? I can still vividly recall how most of the playerbase abandoned that dumpsterfire for Reach and even 3 lmao

[@Peak_Aussieman]

@@firestarter6488 We're not talking mulitplayer here. go play Fortnight or Overwatch if you want multiplayer nerd. We're talking based story telling. Go spend your 30 or 40 dollars on weird gross twink anime twerking dances or whatever in that shitty Overwatch game or whatever.

[@braydoxastora5584]

Interesting choice of thumbnail given how the witcher turned out

[@Kveldred]

I don't get it

[@firestarter6488]

​@@KveldredThe show became so shit that Henry Cavil had to bail on it???

[@Sahlan_Ahamed]

Pablo Schreiber saying Chief is just a blank slate, and we never get to see his feelings or emotions, is ironic considering the significant effort put into making Master Chief more human by 343 over the past decade, not to mention the fact that novels have been doing this for over 20 years. He just reads it off like he was offered a bio about Chief from the pre-alpha Halo CE development team. He seems convinced that he’s just interpreting the character ‘because there is no character or character arc,’ according to him. Yeah, forget Halo 4 ever existed (which was made by 343i BTW) 🤦‍♂️.

[@MrMinewarp]

Brandon sanderson said Henry Cavill couldn't play Kaladin, but if he played Sadeas in a live action adaptation, that would be amazing

[@kidcthulhufortney1320]

The Master Chief scenario reminds me of Stallone Judge Dredd versus Urban Judge Dredd portrayals. Then again, Karl Urban's Dredd is also much like Cavill's approach to Geralt.

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

I love Urban's Dredd. That movie was absolutely spot on to the character.

[@Shenaldrac]

I think something else to keep in mind is just how much execution matters. I hope Mr. Jellyfish will forgive me for saying this but I think that even if Halo and The Witchmen had made those changes that they did, changes in focus and such, but did them well, you'd see much less hate for them. Sure fans would likely be unhappy with it, but if they were actually good on their own merits you'd have lots more people who would be willing to stand up for them. Halo was fucked because even standing on its own, seen by someone with no experience with Halo at all, it's just plain bad television. It's not just bad Halo, it's bad sci fi. Whereas if it had been a big deviation from the core canon _but was good at being what it was_ you'd have plenty of folks who'd enjoy and defend it because they don't have an existing attachment to the original works, and can enjoy it without any expectations.

[@workingjellyfish]

Agreed. While I know personally I'd prefer a canon and lore accurate live action show, if the silver time line was well written and executed I may have grown to enjoy it on its own merits. Oh well ...

[@Kveldred]

​​​​​​​​​​@@workingjellyfish It's a great pleasure of mine - well, if not "great", at least A pleasure; gotta take what we can get, these days - to see how the shows that make changes I hate (and that mostly just to push The Message™, so blatantly & obnoxiously that I now vomit uncontrollably at the mere *mention* of the ideals they've attempted to _-brainwash us into-_ advocate to us)... ...have, consistently, *also* ended up being - nearly universally! - *utter trash...* _even on their own merits._ 😂 They couldn't have made a worse pitch for their ideals had they actually _set out_ to defame the same!

[@XFGHL78E]

Weird opinion: The Halo Series is one of the main reason why Fallout Prime is such a success. Since despite all the lore breaking and other things some fans like to go on about- it is a masterpiece compare to what they do to Halo. The bar is already on the floor, so Fallout barely need to try to be hail as best series ever.

[@workingjellyfish]

Agreed

[@weareharbinger914]

I agree with that. Fallout at least had pretty solid actors to boot. I cannot praise Halo's acting at all., but I don't know for sure it is even their fault, since the writing and dialogue was just nonsense. The guy playing Master Chief though can't emote for toffy, so I don't know why he needed to take the helmet off so much.

[@Shenaldrac]

@@weareharbinger914 Because people often go by visuals rather than other things. We humans tend to form strong visual associations, so seeing his face and connecting it to "Oh that's the guy from the famously successful smash hit Halo tv series!" would be a positive thing in his eyes, something to aim for. I'm not saying it's a good thing mind you, nor that he should have done it. But I think that's why he wanted to take off his helmet so much. He viewed this whole thing as creating his Big Hollywood Portfolio for everyone to see, not as an actual project deserving of his full commitment as an actor.

[@trichkid1536]

​@Shenaldrac Completing agree with your viewpoint here. Unfortunately, he didn't quite understand just how large of a pop culture icon Chief was and that the mask was the characters face. Once you take off the mask you go from playing Master Chief to just some guy cosplaying the Chief who couldn't afford the whole suit.

[@ChiefCrewin]

That's disheartening to hear, Fallout was terrible. Just because it looked like the thing doesn't make it good. Hell, if that was the case Halo would've been more popular. I guess it's because Fallout by nature is a lot more open ended as it's an RPG, where Halo is a linear game. But that doesn't protect Fallout from being completely inconsistent.

[@OGslays]

Imagine if Henry Cavil played Master Chief in a Christopher Nolan remake of the Halo show??? Still wouldn't want to see his face too much but to see it in few moment would still be cool. He has a badass calm voice in man of steel that fits

[@mikeharrigan5535]

He would’ve been way better as Master Chief and his voice for Gerald, while not Steve downes tone, fits better for Master Chief than Pablo’s voice.

[@jalencole7332]

I know it’s been said a million times, but it needs to be said ten million more, if Henry Cavill’s acting talents and genuine love for the source material was given a script of the same caliber, we would’ve gotten a quintessential Man of Steel by now man. It would’ve been released at the same time the MCU was making its climb to the top of pop culture, and we could be seeing a Marvel and DC crossover happening where it was more than just a cameo fest a la Deadpool 3. DC and Marvel’s competition would’ve been something for the ages, but instead…

[@jaqssmith1666]

"ask a bungie purist about the forerunners" that retcon completely undermines the entire story of halo. reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@Shenaldrac]

Which one? I stopped paying attention after Halo 3 when the story clearly was at its natural ending.

[@NebLleb]

Is it bad that I read that "reeeeeeeeeeee" in the vein of the frontman for death metal band Six Feet Under?

[@funnyratenjoyer2890]

@@Shenaldrac They made Forerunners not human. Humanity were also enemies of the Forerunners actually justifying the Covenants genocide against humanity.

[@firestarter6488]

It's almost as if Halo is a dead franchise now! ; )

[@lhemnenn4713]

​@@funnyratenjoyer2890While I was disappointed too by this change, it's important to remember that this detail of the lore was retcon by Bungie themselves during the finishing of Halo 3 (unless I'm wrong). The terminals do make a distinction between Humans and Forerunners, yet they didn't change the dialogue implying Humans being Forerunner, a mistake in my opinion. Although you can explain it in lore by pointing to fact that the Covenant Clergy was fundamentally wrong about the Forerunner history and this even after discovering the Human being "reclaimers" ...In the current lore you can argue that the future high prophets took the fact the Human was reclaimer as meaning that there were descendants and were outcasts because "gods must be strong". Still, I agree having Humans being actual Forerunners descendants should have been kept, it was simpler to understand and retcon it during Halo 3 development was a strange decision, way too late to make a change of this kind. They should have done so before or after Halo CE or not at all ... Could be much worse though ...

[@TheDracolordian]

My knowledge of halo is stunted to playing gruntpocolypse in reach with my dad and some animated movies but even then I know that MC is more than a blank slate with no character

[@chidori0117]

Should also be remebered how the writers tried to paint caville as a mysogynistic, macho toxic actor when he left and pretended he was let go because his ego was so big that he wanted to be the main star. Literaly tried to blacklist him.

[@TheHalogen131]

Fallout show has shown me, that if Master Cheeks kept his helmet on, it would have been a success. Key jangling is more important to the masses, than an actually coherent story.

[@chomp7927]

I mean there's a lot more wrong with the Halo show than just the helmet thing, everyone just starts with that because it's so glaring and in your face but even if they kept it on there a LOT here that doesn't work regardless lol

[@workingjellyfish]

Fallout fooled me good. I didn't realise how thin the plot was because I was too busy enjoying the Easter eggs.

[@orangesoda4535]

It'd be hard not to be impressed if MC managed to boink with his armor on

[@xstation6445]

No the plot was bad too. It just didn’t help that the show runner obviously didn’t respect the lore of the halo franchise and thought they could, Fallout actually did respect its history and expanded on it instead of trying to rewrite it. I bet money I could have written the first season of Halo with the master chief barely in it and I would have made a better show.

[@maverickay5807]

The Jellyfish has returned when we needed him most ❤

[@workingjellyfish]

It’s good to be back.

[@maverickay5807]

@@workingjellyfish Real talk, I love your videos. They are very well constructed, entertaining, interesting, and overall just enjoyable to listen to. 🔥 Thank you so much for the work that you do.

[@Shenaldrac]

Speaking of when we needed him most I'm very interested if he's gonna do any videos on the avatar the last airbender adaptation once that comes out.

[@workingjellyfish]

@@maverickay5807 Thank you, that is very kind. I'm glad my salty shenanigans are finding the right people.

[@Shenaldrac]

It seems to me that if we could just get people who wanted to make the shows they're making instead of getting people who don't give a shit about what they've been contracted to make and are merely looking for an in to use to make their own pet project (Velma, Halo, Disney Wars, etc) we'd have a lot more not-garbage adaptations.

[@Toshiro93]

I feel lucky to have been able to enjoy a version of Lotr without forced inclusive policies, and to say that the paper saga of The Witcher already has everything ready, given that it partly reflects the history of Poland: there is mutual racism between elves, dwarves and men; the military expansionism of Nilfgaard and the power games between the northern kingdoms; fear of witchers (witchers); charismatic female figures (Yennefer, Maria, Angoulleme), even eugenics experiments....what was the point of transforming it into what it has become, especially after an overall acceptable first season?

[@yavoth5850]

This video is how I just learned about the cancellation. Crazy how it happened before they even got to the actual Halo in the story.

[@wafflingmean4477]

Lauren Schmitt Hissrich when they were making Season 1: "Naww he's reading the books I love his passion. He started them this morning so he should be finished by lunch time." Lauren Schmitt Hissrich after Henry Cavill the chad has now read all the books and now that he knows the source material inside and out not only is passionate about staying true to the source material (which he already was before reading them) but now knows HOW to stay true to the source material, and knows when she's deviating within seconds of looking at the script: "Dear god what have I done."

[@robwhitebrook8580]

Did anyone else look at the Halo guy (don't know his name, don't care) and think "B Grade Thug". He doesn't seem to read at all and probably was the Jock who made nerd's lives difficult in school. He's just got that feel about him.

[@shhewp8472]

i never remember what his name is but i'm so happy every time i hear him talking about playing that role. passion vs money always wins. until there's just way too much money....

[@ChairmanKam]

34:20 Man, he just keeps getting dragged for going for his dream roles huh? That's 3 for three. 😢

[@DJGHOSH]

The best thing about the show is I didn't know Schreiber before, but now I do, and I think he is a annoying talentless hack, so thanks Paramount Halo TV show😂

[@TC70]

Difference is dude becomes geralt Other dude makes chief become him So close and yet different outcomes. Both connecting the character to the actor in completely opposite ways.

[@tenebrasm]

I love the polish adaptation (the movie/TV series Hexer), Michał Żebrowski as Geralt was awesome.

[@workingjellyfish]

I should make the effort to watch it.

[@storyseeker6028]

I count myself among the Bungie purests. Halo 4 had some decent stuff but making the forerunners alien completely destroyed the main reason for the Human/Covenant war. The forerunners were human. Both the gravemind and 343 Guilty Spark confirmed this. Any game after 3 should have been about that human /Forerunner connection as 343i acknowledged with 4, but they missed the part there it was a human connection. The Forerunners were humans. The reason the Covenant fought us is because our very existence was against their religion.

[@ChairmanKam]

9:30 One could say... He is a MONUMENT to all their sins.

[@watchzeitgeist2]

Great analysis, always enjoy your essays 😊

[@workingjellyfish]

Thank you.

[@HossHamster]

When it comes to adaptions, its important to not lose sight of what made the IP so beloved in the first place. While at the same time presenting it in a way to lure in new fans. This comes with taking what maybe didn't work so well in the source material or what may not look so good in a different medium. All too often it feels like people fall into the trap of brushing off almost everything about a franchise expect the basics of characters and their names. And even then you're not always so lucky. Look at the X Men movies, the first one had a joke about Wolverine's yellow costume from the comics, because everyone knows Black is cooler, only for 24 years later to have Wolverine actually wear his yellow and blue costume and on reveal Deadpool almost literally yells "FINALLY!" instead of a joke about how ridiculous it looks. Really, a Space Marine who fights aliens to ensure humanity's survival or a Monster Hunter with magically enhanced abilities in a post Game of Thrones world shouldn't be such hard concepts to make work. And while the Witcher has lasted time will tell if that's due to Cavill or not. To dismiss the source material when making an adaption is a mistake. You're shooting yourself in the foot the moment you decide the source material isn't important. When fans should be the ones to help rally and get the word out. Sure some fans are impossible to please but it saids something that Michael Bay managed to win fans over, if only for a while, just by having Peter Cullen reprise Optimus Prime in the Transformer movies. Its important to extend the Olive branch to fans, sure sometimes an adaption that changes things can work. But like, its not a coincidence most adaptions fail in part due to being unfaithful to the source. I mean, would we have gotten a third Sonic movie if they'd stuck with the original design? And its funny I wrote some of these points while watching and then you went and made them anyway. Great vid like always WJ.

[@varogoth]

Halo died after reach

[@lhemnenn4713]

I prefer to say "ended" than "died", but yeah I get you. Although Halo 4 story was good enough for me, the art style however looks too much like plastic, and some things were given too much changes ... They should stop there though, Halo 4 had an alright conclusion for the two main characters, and yet they have to ruined everything by undoing all in "Halo 5" ... I think we really shouldn't ask for more after a story is concluded ...

[@YD39222]

Good evening.

[@workingjellyfish]

G’day skipper.

[@PatrickF.Fitzsimmons]

Both were a mess and both were cancelled.

[@jroggs85]

Good video, but I'd have to disagree with the premise. Henry Cavill is the unicorn of entertainer-audience relations (at least by current year America standards), and also had the benefit of being a household name by the time The Witcher came around. Pablo Schreiber, who is far more easily discarded and replaced, seems like he just tried to put the best spin on a bad strategy that was largely out of his hands. He was definitely no Amandla Stenberg or Rachel Zegler, actors who did real harm to their respective projects with their media approaches, and personally I can't fault him as a career actor for wanting his face visible more often. Ultimately, I really don't think blaming Schreiber for his show's failure is valid or accomplishes anything. Halo was ruined so thoroughly by Paramount and its showrunners that nothing Schreiber could have said or done would have saved it.

[@TheSchultinator]

I don't think I'll ever grasp whatever logic businesses use when they buy an IP, presumably to have a ready and enthusiastic audience, only to turn around and ignore, butcher, or trash the IP to the point that it pisses off the fans, thereby losing the pre-built audience.

[@Hylian_Glitchmobber]

20:40 why does everyone think that 343i was responsible for this decision? Bungie wrote the lore that retconned the Forerunners origins as ancient humans into the Aliens we know in H4. Perhaps yall need to go re-read the Halo 3 terminals that straight up confirm the 2 speices are separate.

[@DJElCommandante]

This might be your best work yet Sir. Well done.

[@workingjellyfish]

Thanks, skipper.

[@wafflingmean4477]

Netflix Showrunners on social media: "HENRY IS A TOXIC GAMER AND A MISOGYNIST!" (providing no examples whatsoever of supposed harassment because they had none and were barely skirting the boundaries of Henry being able to sue them for defamation) Netflix Showrunners making the show: "Henry we wrote you another nude scene so we're going to need you to experience dangerous levels of dehydration as we barely allow you to drink water for days so we can get a better shot of your abs." Don't get me wrong obviously women cop way more sexual harassment and exploitation than men in general, but this is an obvious case of a guy being the victim of the very same thing. And it's arguably even more messed up given that women at least aren't expected to not drink water (which humans need in order to not die) for days. Again, neither is okay, but the hypocrisy of the showrunners is ridiculous.

[@ozymandias1817]

6 minutes of introductionary comparisons without saying a single word. Like Wall-E, that was an audatious choice. Good video. Really nicely put together. With some lengths of the clips I wonder how often KZbin flagged it before uploading 😅

[@gobs379]

KZbin has thresholds. As a channel gets larger and videos get more views, the copyright system gets more obtrusive... until you become among the biggest channels and then you suddenly don't have a problem anymore.

[@workingjellyfish]

Working within the KZbin copyright constraints can be very tedious. Generally my videos pass the automatic scrubber, but its the manual take downs you need to watch out for (Paramount can be particularly protective). However, for the most part, other KZbin users (such as the interviews used here) play nicely with channels like mine.

[@ozymandias1817]

@@workingjellyfish Thanks for the answer, and yeah, I heard about Paramount thanks to Angry Joe. He probably loathes this company by now, nevermind their content. I was thinking about making this kind of essay-ish content down the line, but these copyright strikes are quite frightening I bet, especially if one put in hours and days of hard work. Thanks again for the video. Will recommend this channel to everyone I know and everyone I don't know. =)

[@ozymandias1817]

@@gobs379 Huh ... that sounds on one side so weird but on the other like something I have seen, but cannot put my finger on.

[@gobs379]

@@ozymandias1817 I've seen it happen a dozen times. I'll find great, but tiny channels who include plenty of source material clips. As the channels get bigger, the clips have to get smaller and the creator laments more and more about the copyright system. Then occasionally I come across a video from a massive channel and their videos are full of source material clips and music again.

[@toddstone230]

You need to appear on an episode of EFAP someday

[@wafflingmean4477]

Giving Ciri and Yennefer more of a spotlight is actually the only idea Lauren had that was good. Don't get me wrong Ciri gets a lot of pages in the novels but Yennefer is CRIMINALLY underused by Sapkowski. She's easily my favourite character so initially I loved what I was hearing. But then 99% of Yennefer's story deviates from what little we did know, oversimplifying many of the biggest aspects of the lore in how magic works and the political landscape of the continent, or just throwing the established lore out entirely and replacing it with straight up fanfiction that felt like it was written by a moronic child. And despite giving Ciri more of a spotlight in the time before Geralt takes her to Kaer Morhen, literally THE MOST IMPORTANT STORY from that time period is cut. For non book readers, after Geralt and Ciri were bound through the Law of Surprise (prior to Ciri's birth) they actually meet years before she's forced to flee from Cintra by the Nilfgaardian invasion. They run into each other by chance, and for most of the story, neither actually knows who the other is. She doesn't know this is the Witcher she's promised to and he just thinks she's some random nobleman's daughter who's going to get herself killed if he doesn't get her out of Brokilon Forest (no, the Brokilon Forest episodes in the show do not have anything to do with this), so figures he can take a detour from whatever the hell he was supposed to be doing for a couple of days anyway. And because neither knows they're bound by destiny, they actually become friends completely organically. As they travel they hang out and banter, and Geralt's effectively become her cool uncle by the time they realise who the other is. It's the foundation for their ENTIRE relationship. But that went over Lauren's head apparently. And for something so obvious to escape her notice, it's obvious Daredevil's success had little to nothing to do with her. In short, giving Yennefer and Ciri more of a spotlight was a great idea that was terribly executed, to the point where it would've been better if they'd just cut most of that to focus on Geralt.

[@ChairmanKam]

20:40 I feel so seen! 😊

[@SkidzTheSlayer]

Witcher was actually watchable though.

[@workingjellyfish]

Agreed. Not without problems, but leaps and bounds ahead of “Halo”.

[@stanmanlyman4550]

ugh no it wasnt :(

[@colbunkmust]

I think "watchable" is a very generous description. Especially since on paper The Witcher should be way easier to adapt.

[@yavoth5850]

It was kinda watchable as a standalone series, but not so if you have ever read the books

[@svenskhund3603]

If you didn't read the books and you don't know what you are looking at. Sure.

[@pmcKANE]

Any day the Working Jellyfish punches their card and clocks in a video is a good day. Unless you're on fire I guess, then I suppose it sort of evens out.

[@workingjellyfish]

Yes, fire can be very bad for your day (depending on the context, of course).

[@maremisan8879]

Cavil is an extremely talented actor, he seem to always always have the misfortune of getting casted to series with culture bandits. srsly fck modern hollywood.

[@workingjellyfish]

He’s had some extremely bad luck with the people he has worked for.

[@datamek]

Big respect for Mr. Cavill

[@cabooseMK2]

"There is no character development" "Master Chief is a blank slate" - Pablo Schreiber That is all we need to know. Master Chief has major development without saying more than a few sentences across multiple games. Pablo was paid money to perform an acting job for the cash grab that it was. End of video. Although I do enjoy the rest of your take.

[@workingjellyfish]

🪼 “are you the real Caboose?” 😆

[@cabooseMK2]

@@workingjellyfish I don't understand are you hung-ary? Are you cold?

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

I'm just waiting for Fat Cavill to play Commander Shep, but with a studio that finally realisese he's correct and they should keep out.

[@Simian33]

So someone I know who worked on the Halo show said that Schieber was adamant on showing his face.

[@workingjellyfish]

I am not surprised.

[@Hatzi89]

The problem with modern hollywood is that they cant work with an established canon, and with a story that is factually better then anything they could deliver In their dellusion they believe they can do better, and we end up with the halo clusterfuck and the witcher disaster ballsack armor and all The bottom line is that as long as these muppets are incapable of realizing their job in an adaptation is not to tell "their own story" but to shut the hell up and stick to the story tjat is established, every adaptation made by hollywood will horribly fail

[@paulbooth3953]

As soon as someone says "my own truth" you know what you're getting. Good and evil are just constructs, There are no absolutes, and source material is only there for deconstruction. Absolutely hilarious. A tale of two, one based, the other floating. You get what you sow

[@beekeeper8474]

I don't think that guy ever played a video. A blank slate?

[@Stop_Motion_Hub]

I am a simple man. I see a jelly talk like spaghetti, I click

[@workingjellyfish]

Spaghetti with meatballs, mate. 💪🏻🪼

[@Andarion00]

I am a simple man. I see a working Jellyfish video, and I hit the like button, and now make this offer to the algorithmn gods.

[@workingjellyfish]

Thanks, mate.

[@marcinnizynski6737]

There is good polish movie by oscar winner Andrzej Wajda titled "Man of Marble" (funny, man of steel hehe). I Think its nice allegory of Henrys relations with rest of crew working on the show. Doing something so entusiasticly is not always positive thing. I think it ruined a posiblle chemistry between characters depicted on show. This show really ruinng potencial those books have as a unique interesting fantasy world, but many factors contribute towards that, inculding Henrys over enthusiasm i think. Overall pity, especially for us, here in Poland.

[@NuclearN00bGaming]

Human story telling hasn't changed in thousands of years, MuH mOdErN tAkE is just an excuse for sheer incompetence or agenda pushing. It's astonishing these still get produced with passionless hacks leading them. The absolute dogwater projects on Tubi get my respect because despite everything you can tell the people who made it CARED and respected their trailer trash, even finding humor in knowing how bad it is. I find myself seeking them out sometimes to get away from boiled billion dollar loveless slop.

[@cri-xl6qs]

I think a big part of halo failure was that 343 wasn't that involved in the show since they where trying to make halo infinite. And big part on why The last of us and Fallout are good is because Bethesda and Naughty Dog where worked closely with the show runners and having them respect the ip. On the other hand its 343 so maybe it was a good thing they didn't help with it but sometimes the interns that work there come up with something decent or even good like Chief characterization in Infinite. Also Pablo Schnitzel

[@RainBird88x]

He may have been a fan, but that didn't stop the Witcher show being crap.

[@weareharbinger914]

I recognize that Suicide Run music, you can't fool me, thats not halo or witcher music. Master chief is not a blank slate and the guy himself says as much when he then describes a bunch of qualities the character has. The reason Cavill is nerd jesus is because he likes the stuff and seems to genuinely give a shit. He is always talking about what the thing means rather than everyone else, who constantly talks about what needs to change or how they're changing it to suit them. Part of what made halo so disappointing is there had already been things here and there that were done nearly perfectly, but were just short. I've mostly only played the games, but i read a couple of the books, which were surprisingly good. The idea chief is blank is insane. One of the better parts of the first book i read was reading about the spartan training as kids, sneaking onto military bases using reflections to fool checks under cars and stuff, the insane level of crap they went through to forge them into what they became. Pablo himself wanted the helmet off. But it is hard to say how much was his desire and how much was bad writing. Seeing people take off their helmets in active combat zones is insanely annoying. We learned this was a bad idea back in Starship Troopers of all things! I also maintain that they could have just had the main character be Johnson, leading up to the events of the first game. They would get their diversity, nothing would be ruined and it would serve as a good test before they go for a second season. Hell, it would probably be cheaper too, since Johnson is still a (semi)regular dude. Theres gotta be some 40 year old black dudes with gravelly voices who can act. In the complete reverse, if Cavill hadn't been cast as Geralt, likely the Witcher show would have been dead after one season. Especially with how bitchy they were about him after he left.

[@workingjellyfish]

I see you too are a creature of culture. I agree with your points - and the Fall of Reach novel is awesome. My personal favorite novel is Contact Harvest, which tells the story of first contact with the Covenant, and funnily enough SGT Johnson is the principle character. It could make a great limited series or movie if adapted by the right people.

[@weareharbinger914]

@@workingjellyfish I didn't read that one, maybe I should. I think Johnson is the best character for a show because he is charismatic, respected and has some great one liners in addition to being a fan favourite character that we know little about. There is so much you could expand upon there. Instead we get braindead writers who don't care about anything and a prop department that did a pretty good job that was wasted

[@workingjellyfish]

@@weareharbinger914 I'd highly recommend Contact Harvest if you're a fan of Johnson.

[@DrLynch2009]

Pablo speak like screaming, trying to convince you of what he is saying where Henry is smooth speaking and sound more natural.

[@GeorgeStrayton]

Another great video! Hopefully Hollywood gets the message!

[@CaptainGeneralPeace]

The jelly has spoken, thus I listen. Its words are good. Ye.

[@Greaseman762]

It seems like not respecting the source material works out pretty well

[@morthim]

the halo guy being a knockoff westlie crusher is a strange choice.

[@morthim]

"before constant disappointments" you can't tell jokes like that

[@workingjellyfish]

Wrong. I can, I just shouldn’t. 😆

[@フフウェイ]

I swear I gave it my best but there's only so much negative content I can watch. xD As a side note, I would fight tooth and nail to preserve the legacy of Henry Cavil, small as it is. Screw national treasures, that guy is a global treasure. It's such a shame that he basically exists at the wrong time.

[@clappagemcphee]

Fuck, this is good

[@55Karl55]

Great work bro🎉

[@workingjellyfish]

Thanks, matey.

[@BeardyYT]

Won't wear the helmet... hire Karl Urban, an actual actor and not a wannabe celebrity.

[@Autobotmatt428]

I blame the Show runners, Directors, writers the "lore advisors", producers and all the SJW, PC, Progressive, and the whole THE MESSAGE bandwagon that was going through Hollywood when the Halo show was in development. This is what happened when you hirer activists instead of real creative writers. Now I will say season 2 was better but let be honest all Pablo need to do was keep his pants on and it would have been better.

[@yetispaghetti48]

Yeah, but he had every chance to do his own research and protest just like Henry Cavill

[@sleazymeezy]

Kia ora from across the ditch bro

[@workingjellyfish]

G'day, Neighbor!

[@chandlerstastny8092]

Hey Working Jelly, are you gonna cover the potential mess that is War of the Rohirrim?

[@workingjellyfish]

Unsure, but time will tell.

[@chandlerstastny8092]

@@workingjellyfish Looking forward to it if you do decide to, keep up the good work 👍

[@hydrowolf1]

good vid ill sub

[@S1337theoddoneout-ip9xc]

What i really hated about the halo tv show was (among many other things) all the sex scenes. For fck's sake, every halo casual knows all spartan 2's were given libido inhibitors and they didn't have a sex drive. But fck the lore, right? Let's continue modern hollyweird new tradition of turning anything and everything into soft porn. i'm looking at you netflix.

[@ValyrianPrince]

Why did you do this 😂 it’s night and day.

[@Pheebs77]

Henry Cavill needs to sack his agent. He deserves Hollywood A list movie roles but he seems to never hit the true heights to match his talent. Loyal to his fans and a true geek!

[@workingjellyfish]

Agreed, the man should be a super-star, playing characters like James Bond. Instead, his talent is being wasted.

[@svenskhund3603]

Pablo admitting that he only played multiplayer of halo years ago as a kid and never touched the campaign is very telling. Especially when he makes claims that master chief has no development as a character and is a "blank slate".

[@ZmbieTaco]

I enjoyed Pablo's performance. Didnt care for the show. Also didnt know about his BTS bs. Pablo and Pedro both on shit list now i guess lol

[@GubbinsGuardian]

This jelly video made... (the lack of love and care put into these shows makes me not want to even finish the sentence even though I'm typing this whole thing out. I know i know just stfu already but Kathleen Kennedy is on my shoulder controlling me and turning me into an NPC

[@firestarter6488]

Too bad Halo is already doing it's best impression of a zombie franchise... Even if the show had somehow been even *decent,* it wouldn't matter much at all. You simply cannot even play Halo anymore anyways, unless you plan on facing the same level of cheating TF2 once saw, (but worse, as 343 is no Valve.)

[@CourageousRetreat]

Witcher had feminists writers which is why season one had dudes in armor that looked like nut sacks dx

[@brya9681]

It must be really hard for you being a grown man that's never touched a woman you weren't related to by blood

[@CourageousRetreat]

Oh I'm sorry I offended you. Life must be hard for you isn't it? Have a good day try not to hurt yourself.

[@samalmond2321]

I'm sorry bro but there is a strong argument that Ciri is the protagonist in the books it isn't true that not prioritizing Geralt is unfaithful to the books.

[@workingjellyfish]

A protagonist, sure. But the title character? Less so. That said, I concur with your point.

[@dozyproductionss]

I'm a fan of Cavil but, I can't help but get that feeling that since he's an actor and he could be acting on how cool and relatable he is. Someone with a big peerage name being really popular in an almost exclusively nepotistic film industry leaves some doubt to it all. It can be just some great self promotion/marketing since these people are professional fakes after all. I really hope that isn't the case with Cavil though.

[@workingjellyfish]

I’ve seen so many interviews with him now that I would be genuinely impressed to learn that it was all an act.

[@jaqssmith1666]

i dunno, he plays Custodes, and knows how easily they can get curbstomped. i know from experience how easily Eldar get ruined, but if you looked online you'd only see people saying Eldar are op. He seems to have touchstones of a genuine nerd tbh.

[@ASo5one]

People know Geralt from the game and generally liked his portrayal in the show. The only controversies around him are when showrunners deviate from source material, which he always vehemently defends. Doesnt that speak volumes?

[@existentialselkath1264]

I think people working on the Witcher had previously complained about how 'stubborn' Cavil could be on staying faithful to the source material. So even people that take it as a negative still think he's a massive Nerd. I think that's pretty concrete that it's not an act.

[@Haarba1]

Not a Halo fan, not even close, played I think Combat Evolved its called, Halo 1 iirc, never finished it, and thats it. For me Halo tv series was not as bad, like 5-5.5\10, especially comparing to some other stuff... acolyte, witcher, rings of power.

[@Shenaldrac]

Out of curiosity have you seen other Star Wars films, played/read The Witcher/LotR? I don't ask this out of judgement or with any accusation, I'm just genuinely curious. Because I think if you have then this would be evidence towards how much already knowing about a given work can influence one's enjoyment of it.

[@Haarba1]

@@Shenaldrac Sure I get what you mean. SW and Witcher mean much more to me, familiar with them. This stuff is 100% can influence level of enjoyment or in this case level of rejection. Not really into Tolkien, ofc I watched LotR and Hobbit trilogies. So Rings tv series, most likely, are objectively trash for fans and non-fans.

[@Shenaldrac]

@@Haarba1 Thanks for the answer :) Yeah that sounds right.

[@OzzyHamid-cl2fi]

Israeli actor playing master chief in halo. That’s why I boycotted it Boycott ALL Israeli actors and companies

[@whos-the-stiff]

Two IP's run into the ground by female showrunners...hmm?

[@pandawan5]

Another great video, Jellyfish 🪼 😌