How to Make Recycled BEAMS from Plastic Waste at Home

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@lewiscruz3818
@lewiscruz3818 2 жыл бұрын
No this does not solve the entire waste plastic problem and no it does not really replace wood or steel beams in construction, as so many geniuses have pointed out in droves in these comments while missing the point entirely. But that is not the real point is it? The real point is that this is a creative and "outside the box" method for putting to use stuff we were going to just throw out entirely and let it sit unused in the landfills. Does it have to be used as a replacement or substitute beam for your deck or load bearing beam in your house? No, not at all and no one said that you must do that at all in the first place. But if you use your brain, anyone can see big potential for many other uses for this method if refined and improved. Could be useful for creating many other shapes for decorative coverings and finishes too, and not just limited to one use or application only. Wow there are so many - "I use a hammer for every problem I encounter" people out there. It is just a video showing creative humans using their brains and imaginations to try to make use of things that would be wasted and just tossed unused. However, now that throw away plastic will be put to use and less will go into the land fill. Why do most people state the obvious right off that bat? Of course not one simple idea will just solve a complex issue like our dependence on waste, but these folks never claimed that either. I say bravo and good thinking on trying something out in the first place. And by sharing their ideas it spurs others to think creatively (at least those of us who have the capacity to) to try to come up with alternatives as well.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 2 жыл бұрын
Lewis gets it! Thanks bro 🤙🏽🤙🏽
@williamwofford2503
@williamwofford2503 2 жыл бұрын
@@BrothersMake suggestion a pizza oven with the conveyor belt would be able to melt more plastic at one time use wax coated cookie sheet trays and drop directly into the mold and while true that you could not use it for load bearing you could use it as the roof of a green house making flat clear plastic sheeting connected to the beams for skylights ,you could also use it for decorative fencing around a garden i can think of lots of ways to reuse them
@armedwithjello
@armedwithjello 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamwofford2503 Plastic sheeting for outdoor use needs to be UV resistant, otherwise it will turn yellow and brittle from sun exposure.
@randogame4438
@randogame4438 2 жыл бұрын
@@armedwithjello Unless you paint them. Duh!
@apriljk6557
@apriljk6557 2 жыл бұрын
people just like to make noises that make them feel smart 🤓.
@dandylee8921
@dandylee8921 3 жыл бұрын
You should strength test the plastic beam vs. A standard wooden one to see how it compares
@renealvarado3658
@renealvarado3658 3 жыл бұрын
that the most important
@quest_onchannel54
@quest_onchannel54 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. What good is it if it can't demonstrate its strength, especially for the time.
@leerogers6423
@leerogers6423 3 жыл бұрын
@@quest_onchannel54 . Pound for pound it's way weaker than wood . I've used it for tool handles and it splits unpredictably and chips easily with impact.
@halkive4619
@halkive4619 3 жыл бұрын
good call!
@halkive4619
@halkive4619 3 жыл бұрын
@@leerogers6423 thinking about this...just use more instead of a standard 16inch stud gap...Honestly to answer myself from my above comment...less stud gaps increases in more plastic...This is actually imo a good idea.
@littlehercules5716
@littlehercules5716 2 жыл бұрын
Toilet seats, toothbrush holders, vanity tops, tubs for mobile homes or tiny houses. You guys are awesome for this, I'd like to see you grow.
@Cranki_T
@Cranki_T 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Australia there is a company already producing these in a product called "Mod wood" to be used as an alternative, mainly used for flooring, decking & fencing. One thing they do to help with strength is use reinforced steel mesh in the guts of it. That may help you with your product.
@AussieAquatic
@AussieAquatic 3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought that bamboo is the perfect internal material to add reinforcement strength and rigidity to these plastic beams at lower cost.
@MrBlaser51
@MrBlaser51 3 жыл бұрын
I wish this would happen all over the world. Anything to reduce the waste in our seas & landfills.
@sherierodrigues1569
@sherierodrigues1569 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I recently purchased a tiny house and my front landing is made of Mod Wood, I do so wish my floor was the same colour as your experiment, instead of the brown wood look that I have. I must say it is great to clean, so easy, and no splinters in the bum when you sit on it. Lol. Sherie Rodrigues from Australia
@AndreaDingbatt
@AndreaDingbatt 3 жыл бұрын
@@AussieAquatic Bamboo sounds like a much better idea than the metal. I don't relish the thought of ruining my tools by sawing through the beams. XxX
@markgoodall1388
@markgoodall1388 3 жыл бұрын
You could use almost any fibre to strengthen the plastic. Glass fibre used to be used for engineering plastics, but there were experiments using feathers as a natural alternative that showed promise, just the feather part, not the 'spine' of the feather.
@jakebrown6639
@jakebrown6639 Жыл бұрын
I’ve read that using powdered almond shells can increase the repurposed plastics strength, it would be interesting to see the comparison between the two. I’m also curious if the rate at which the plastic cools effects it’s tensile strength. Awesome video guys
@blahblahblahblah2837
@blahblahblahblah2837 Жыл бұрын
The method in the video seems like a great opportunity to experiment with composites - whether they were to add in some wood dust, metal shavings, plant fibres, charcoal etc - I think it could greatly improve the material strength
@wm6578
@wm6578 Жыл бұрын
the problem with that is, maybe you will be unable to recycle the material if you ever need to, so would eventually become waste...you´d think thorougly how to design and use the final piece so that in retains its usefullness for as many years as possible. Any scraps of it would automatically become waste too
@nathanielrice6499
@nathanielrice6499 Жыл бұрын
Need a good blender with water to shred caps into small bits. Strain and dry out. Then use a large pot inside of a larger drum with water heated with a gas turkey fryer or similar to melt small pieces all at once and uniform.
@zebraloverbridget
@zebraloverbridget Жыл бұрын
It would be way easier to just add in some fiber glass or metal mesh to increase the strength
@kevinward2924
@kevinward2924 10 ай бұрын
What about melting to 1,500 & adding aluminum & iron, etc. I realize the toxic fumes, but there's countries incinerating plastics
@markdigi215
@markdigi215 2 жыл бұрын
Using a heat gun to control the heat while adding the plastic to the mold will lengthen the time to work with it. I also think if you used an old meat grinder (the kind that clamp to your dining table) to crush/shred the caps before melting will reduce air pockets as well as increase the number of caps per melt in the panini press.
@sarahcurrence7642
@sarahcurrence7642 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea. I just wonder if that would effect color control. I would say you could easily grind by color though so yeah great idea!
@johnussss
@johnussss 2 жыл бұрын
large blender to cut up the caps
@bobbygetsbanned6049
@bobbygetsbanned6049 2 жыл бұрын
If you don't compress it after grinding it it's going to be 50% air bubbles.
@mattmarzula
@mattmarzula 2 жыл бұрын
You don't need to work with it that long. Just get it in and press it down.
@notsure1350
@notsure1350 2 жыл бұрын
Meat grinder wond do HDPE
@depressedhombre3387
@depressedhombre3387 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should do a stress test to see how it handles sheer and compression forces compared to a regular 2x4. I know the point isn’t finding an alternative to wood but it would be cool to see its failure point
@danielsvensson7174
@danielsvensson7174 2 жыл бұрын
since thermoplastics suffer from creep during prolonged stress I think it wouldn't be a very good alternative to wood even if initial test went in favor of a HDPE beam . . .
@theevermind
@theevermind 2 жыл бұрын
Stiffness is also just as important as strength. If plastic deflects more, then it won't support load as much if used alongside wood, and if used in place of wood, more plastic would be needed to keep deflections low.
@jacobshort6528
@jacobshort6528 2 жыл бұрын
These kinds of planks can warp in very hot sunlight during summer days.
@jacobshort6528
@jacobshort6528 2 жыл бұрын
Recycled plastic planks in America are often used for building City Park benches and rot-proof picnic tables. And in children's playgrounds.
@markmitchell590
@markmitchell590 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobshort6528 They have UV stabilisers added during the manufacture. The one in the video would become brittle in a summer.
@paulmorton-kemp3172
@paulmorton-kemp3172 3 жыл бұрын
Having learnt from you guys, I've now made a mould using 18mm ply and 2 plates of 6mm steel. Whilst I melt the bottle caps in one panini press, I heat the 2 steel sheets in another. Just before adding the plastic to the mould I insert 1 hot steel plate in the bottom. The melted plastic goes straight on top. I did use silicon sheets but by going straight on the steel it stops the minute brick pattern on the sheets pressing I to the plastic. Then I add the 2nd heated steel plate and then the 18mm wood. I use loads of F clamps. The result is that whilst it takes a little longer to cool, the heated steel plates makes the surfaces of the setting plastic absolutely flat with no air bubbles or wrinkles. This eliminates the need for a planer or thicknesses. I can change the thickness of the plastic slab by changing the 6mm steel plates for 4mm. Using a combination of these I can make 2mm to 14mm plastic plates, depending on what I want to make from them. So chuffed ive found you guys. You are awesome
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds awesome! Would love to see pictures
@kylefrank5719
@kylefrank5719 2 жыл бұрын
Just a thought, maybe put a heating element under the aluminum with a manual nob or something to regulate the heat. That way you don't have to melt it outside the mold. Turn it on put all the plastic in the mold from the start (maybe half if the volume is to high) , apply some pressure with that fancy press :) and just let it melt into form.
@classless007
@classless007 2 жыл бұрын
I’m in process designing a heating vat that makes plastics fluid that allows you to pour into vertical mold containing a center core of used tire cord , problem is flammability and due to that can never be used in anything occupied, maybe deck boards if sun did not warp or degrade,maybe underwater rigging or foundations but that’s just putting the plastic back into the water. We are on the edge of a breakthrough and soon hope to go public
@MrRiikuo
@MrRiikuo 2 жыл бұрын
@@classless007 hi , do you know at what temperature the plastic melts and when does it start to burn and be unusable ? Also is it possible to keep the plastic in a melting state without burning it ?
@classless007
@classless007 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrRiikuo really depends on composition of the plastic, I just slowly heat until I’m there
@MrRiikuo
@MrRiikuo 2 жыл бұрын
@@classless007 thank you , il try it out
@twoseventhree
@twoseventhree 10 ай бұрын
all plastics are different, but between 180 and 300, but most are around 200-220 and you can hold it for quite some time@@MrRiikuo
@kevinmccray8351
@kevinmccray8351 3 жыл бұрын
Current price of lumber sure has me exploring some strange avenues.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Could be a viable option! 😂
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj 3 жыл бұрын
Worse part is that we had billions of dollars in free lumber but for decades the government wouldn't let us log. Then as any ecologist predicted, the high concentration of trees lead to wildfires becoming uncontrollable and all the trees burn down not just wasting wood, but also destroying the local ecosystem as well as property and lives. Here in California despite several years of basically nonstop fires, our government still hasn't learned their lesson. When they are convinced to log wood due to the fire risk they BURY the wood rather than selling it on the market. SMH.
@wandererstraining
@wandererstraining 3 жыл бұрын
Alaskan mill ftw!
@Pinkwellow
@Pinkwellow 2 жыл бұрын
Cob house
@ingridchristensen7926
@ingridchristensen7926 2 жыл бұрын
just bumped into this video and thanks. you guys give me hope there are more people out there who care about our addiction to throwing plastic in the trash. very inspiring
@grom7826
@grom7826 2 жыл бұрын
In 1995, I went to a three-day recycling seminar where they had full-sized plastic dock pilings and said that they stayed strong through the pile driving process and held up in the weather.
@wadetyler5056
@wadetyler5056 2 жыл бұрын
I actually think this would be a great way to make sinks with a proper mold. 😊It’s a beautiful pattern and the sink would be almost indestructible. Also, outdoor table tops.
@FilosophicalPharmer
@FilosophicalPharmer 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly? The amount of work for one “board” that comes out looking otherworldly made me wonder why anyone would do this. Your ideas changed my mind. Excellent, creative ideas, You! 😊👍🏼
@boovoudoun2661
@boovoudoun2661 2 жыл бұрын
thanks, your reply answers my question. i was thinking of making free form planters for houseplants
@Woodburnworks
@Woodburnworks 2 жыл бұрын
just a fyi if outside the uv rays will break it down over time
@dr.jmoves1005
@dr.jmoves1005 Жыл бұрын
Does this produce microplastics?
@Kira-kg4kl
@Kira-kg4kl Жыл бұрын
@@dr.jmoves1005 it probably would unless it was sealed in with a bathroom grade top coat
@ladya1953
@ladya1953 2 жыл бұрын
If your mold is made entirely from heat conducting metal, perhaps the heating elements (whether from deconstructed appliances, or solar) could be added to the outside of the mold itself, to be used as a melting vessel as well as an end-mold. OR a long oven to contain the aluminum mold so that as one beam is cooling, another beam full of plastic can be put in to melt.
@annmorgana2848
@annmorgana2848 2 жыл бұрын
curious to know about offgassing when you heat plastic. is it safe for humans and the surrounding environment? otherwise a very cool project.
@harxmoond
@harxmoond 2 жыл бұрын
I figured if thye used a mask and ventilated the space for more than 24hrs they should be fine.
@dont.ripfuller6587
@dont.ripfuller6587 2 жыл бұрын
If you're smart enough to think to ask it, you're smart enough to know you already know. It's not the best, so use it in applicationns that aren't right next to your face while you sleep or where your kids gonna gnaw on it etc.
@Jonathan-ts4jx
@Jonathan-ts4jx 2 жыл бұрын
HDPE isn't toxic when melted at low temperatures. Only bad when you burn it, same is true for materials like polypropylene.
@vizprave6721
@vizprave6721 2 жыл бұрын
I think the best way to heat them is with something like a milk boiler or a double boiler which both work on the same principle. Vessel contains water which is seperated by another vessel in which a substance is heated using the water in the other vessel. The heat never goes above 100°c
@TTS-TP
@TTS-TP 2 жыл бұрын
Shush
@morganleanderblake678
@morganleanderblake678 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for addressing process waste from cutting and sanding. It’s important to use what we’ve created but this is a vital detail.
@charfunkianmojosapian4276
@charfunkianmojosapian4276 2 жыл бұрын
One eco friendly energy source for heating the plastic is a solar oven or the use of magnified sun light using a large fresnel lens from an old TV focused on a ceramic plate in contact with the mold.
@IzzyIkigai
@IzzyIkigai 2 жыл бұрын
You mean: How to burn your plastics 101? Solar ovens are great but for melting plastic you want a controlled temperature. Especially with highly flammable plastics like HDPE.
@charfunkianmojosapian4276
@charfunkianmojosapian4276 2 жыл бұрын
@@IzzyIkigai That's a good point, I was picturing something with a thermometer and easy opened ventilation, possibly a water basin it could be dipped into in the case of if exceeding the desired range. Although if a solar oven gets hot enough to burn the plastic, would that imply that a structure built with this material may begin to soften and loose it's form, possibly collapse on a hot day, as the attic could reach solar oven range temperatures?
@nickjohnson9640
@nickjohnson9640 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of using an old TV screen as a lens, regardless of if it works for this use. Great thinking!
@IzzyIkigai
@IzzyIkigai 2 жыл бұрын
@@charfunkianmojosapian4276 i think you underestimate how hot a focused sun beam under a fresnel lens can get. In Focus on a sunny day you can melt stone with it. So you'd have to overengineer something just so your lens doesn't focus too much. Meanwhile solar panels exist and can power your electric oven. ;)
@charfunkianmojosapian4276
@charfunkianmojosapian4276 2 жыл бұрын
@@IzzyIkigai Maybe just reflective siding in an insolated box would reach a high enough temperature, or if a focused point was used it, it could be used to heat water which the mold would be partially submerged in.
@paynej32013
@paynej32013 2 жыл бұрын
I was a process tech making hdpe lumber for 8 years. Basically this exact thing except most standard lumber profiles in up to 8 foot lengths. All post consumer recycled. You did a decent job. I would recommend adding an exothermic blowing agent. These are available in hdpe pellets. A small amount produces a uniform foam pattern internally and causes the plastic to foam and fill the mold perfectly. It also adds very good structural properties. These beams are strong. Like stupid strong.
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis 2 жыл бұрын
"Park bench" strong, or "automobile bridge across a deep ditch" strong?
@notsure1350
@notsure1350 2 жыл бұрын
You know they make powder foaming agents that are very safe to use and will have the same effect without buying new equipment, right? I was an extruder operator for 11 years and we made foamed separator tapes. We just used a chemical foaming agent and it worked perfectly. It was pretty similar to baking powder.
@notsure1350
@notsure1350 2 жыл бұрын
@@absalomdraconis you don't build bridges out of plastic because of something called creep. Over time, stresses cause Plastics to flex and retain the new shape as the elastic memory only lasts so long.
@ronniewilliz153
@ronniewilliz153 2 жыл бұрын
@@notsure1350 same with wood but I think it happens a lot long time frame tho
@paynej32013
@paynej32013 2 жыл бұрын
@@absalomdraconis I'd trust it anywhere I'd trust wood.
@westbunting4358
@westbunting4358 2 жыл бұрын
You need something like a crockpot to melt more and easier. Ideally, you are looking for something that can apply continuous, medium, and uniform heat over time. A pot solution would make it easier to add to the whole as the caps liquify. Also, the pot is ceramic which will hold the heat giving you more time to transfer the material to the mold.
@Tsuchimursu
@Tsuchimursu 2 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking bread machines. Integrated mixing in a heated pot.
@R53Hole
@R53Hole Жыл бұрын
Put heating elements in the mold.
@jethermukisa9554
@jethermukisa9554 Жыл бұрын
@@R53Hole liiiike?
@Px4164
@Px4164 Жыл бұрын
@@jethermukisa9554 like heating wire wrapped around mold
@blahblahblahblah2837
@blahblahblahblah2837 Жыл бұрын
@@R53Hole 100%. The aluminium sidings would conduct the heat well. No need to get everything out and press it 100x, just stick it straight into the mold and let it level out with the heat
@prathersmith4562
@prathersmith4562 2 жыл бұрын
You two are amazing if I would have had teachers like you when I was younger at school would have been awesome. Thank you for these videos I can appreciate your work very much.
@stef1lee
@stef1lee 3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! With a few recycled steel rods inserted in the middle, you'd definitely have a greater tensile strength piece to work with and test for how much compression it can take before it no longer can function at 100% capacity. I believe you fellas are on to incredible building alternatives and can definitely help with the over extended disposal of plastic refuse.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Funny you say that Stefanie as we were talking about doing exactly that earlier this week! Thanks so much 😊
@Revenge_of_Ming
@Revenge_of_Ming 3 жыл бұрын
@@BrothersMake if you go down that road maybe use a copper coated steel rod to improve adhesion between the HDPE and steel same principal as is used on steel belts in rubber tyres
@akseminole
@akseminole 3 жыл бұрын
@@Revenge_of_Ming Would electroplating the copper onto the steel work for this?
@Revenge_of_Ming
@Revenge_of_Ming 3 жыл бұрын
@@akseminole so I looked a little further into this and I'm not sure copper would be the best interface material, there is a paper on that subject but it's locked behind a paywall I think some sort PVD process on the steel yielded the best results but can't be 100% sure
@sgo9004
@sgo9004 3 жыл бұрын
@@Revenge_of_Ming Link the DOI of the paper anyway, as there are ways (such as asking the authors, or finding it in an online database) to read it.
@nickrgsi
@nickrgsi 2 жыл бұрын
Aw I wish i'd seen this back in October, I'm literally making engineering plastics all day every day, if you had added 2% tioxide and 20% by weight ec10 glass fibre then it would have would have been extremely strong and fairly resistant to UV light damage
@wildandbarefoot
@wildandbarefoot 2 жыл бұрын
Best comment I've ever read
@AK88.
@AK88. 2 жыл бұрын
What about melting from intense heat like a fire or "global warming"
@calysagora3615
@calysagora3615 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that's very informative!
@bobb.6393
@bobb.6393 2 жыл бұрын
Where to buy or manufacture
@velvetbees
@velvetbees 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this technology could be used to create tornado shelters or tornado resistant homes if the plastic is stronger than stick built homes. If it is anchored into the ground, perhaps it would be less likely to shatter in a high wind.
@MrGrimsmith
@MrGrimsmith 2 жыл бұрын
A couple of thoughts for you - a T beam mold might be worth a go as you'll reduce the mass while retaining rigidity. It's an easy enough shape to achieve using your aluminium angle and boards. Another thought was possibly trying a hotplate with a temp gauge. As long as the temperature stays below 300 C you shouldn't have any decomposition. That might allow for easier processing of larger batches compared to the press method.
@theotherwaldo
@theotherwaldo 2 жыл бұрын
I've created solar ovens using fresnel lenses salvaged from rear-projection televisions. Some of them were powerful enough to melt stone. I'd bet that you could make one that you could use to melt plastic and other recyclables without using so much electricity.
@nimaryan8710
@nimaryan8710 2 жыл бұрын
WOW!!! That's awesome. I'm looking for an accessible solution to make an solar oven. Loved it! but how can u make that glass transparent? aren't they all dark?
@theotherwaldo
@theotherwaldo 2 жыл бұрын
@@nimaryan8710 No, all of the ones that I have taken apart have a tinted sheet and/or a grid sheet over the lens. The lens itself is clear.
@nimaryan8710
@nimaryan8710 2 жыл бұрын
@@theotherwaldo ohh! That's soo great to know! i will look for it. Thank you!
@helmutwalle2105
@helmutwalle2105 2 жыл бұрын
@@nimaryan8710 - how about a parabolic mirror instead of a lens? Make the dish from any material that you find suitable, and then glue tin foil strips onto the inside surface. That approach also gives you complete freedom of size and scale.
@hollysykes5280
@hollysykes5280 2 жыл бұрын
I really love the marbled effect the different coloured plastics create, this could be pretty cool to include within my current textiles project all about the waste we produce. Thanks for the inspiration!
@The_Deaf_Aussie
@The_Deaf_Aussie 2 жыл бұрын
Question: How strong is this plastic "beam"? stress load wise? Is it as Strong, stronger or weaker than the standard wood ?
@AcidGamesYT
@AcidGamesYT 2 жыл бұрын
I also am curious about this.
@driftwood5407
@driftwood5407 2 жыл бұрын
@@AcidGamesYT me too
@tiagoballmann7636
@tiagoballmann7636 2 жыл бұрын
Came here with the same question haha, hope they will answer
@irishcoffee6894
@irishcoffee6894 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing
@tiagoballmann7636
@tiagoballmann7636 2 жыл бұрын
@Chris Clifford from the comment section, I'm guessing it is not better than wood, but it would be great to actually test and measure
@brighteyes328
@brighteyes328 3 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering about the strength of the plastic beam compared to the wooden beam? I’d love to see a structure made out of plastic beams!
@jerelsalazar7959
@jerelsalazar7959 3 жыл бұрын
Melt under the sun, or lose strength and alignment.. there's a reason why these aren't used. They've thought about this before.
@columbo9336
@columbo9336 3 жыл бұрын
You can already buy plastic decking/ fencing and Sheds. They are becoming quite popular in UK.
@Wimbletonage
@Wimbletonage 3 жыл бұрын
@@jerelsalazar7959 my plastic shed would argue otherwise
@jerelsalazar7959
@jerelsalazar7959 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wimbletonage yeah, i also considered on other hand other plastic based or similar building materials like vinyl, composite, etc and they do withstand heat and other variables, I may have presumed and concluded too much too fast on little experience, I concede the argument sir :)
@themetalfusionologist
@themetalfusionologist 3 жыл бұрын
The compression strength is the problem. Plastic doesn’t have much give before it becomes brittle and cracks. Especially when In the elements
@stargazer4508
@stargazer4508 2 жыл бұрын
As I throw another bottle in the recycle bin I keep seeing products like this in my head. Thank-you for out of the box thinking. And trying to find useful solutions!
@docink6175
@docink6175 3 жыл бұрын
This was cool.. how about adding electrical heating coils along the aluminum of your mold. Then you can add in your material without having to preheat and mold it. You should be able to use full caps and you're saved. As each batch melts you can press it and add more
@Mebeknob
@Mebeknob 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking a heated mold would be a good idea. Just add the raw plastic, wait for it to become warm, press, turn off heat and cool.
@dwightgordon803
@dwightgordon803 3 жыл бұрын
Can you regulate your temperature with this method? HDPE has a sweet spot at around 350 F. Cooler than that and it isn't moldable, hotter than that and you start off gassing toxic chemicals.
@Frentraken
@Frentraken 3 жыл бұрын
@Dwight Gordon it wouldn't be impossible, but it's not going to be as easy as adding a couple of heating coils as suggedted. I'd aim for enough coils to keep the mold from cooling too quick while setting your clamps, and preheating.
@JordanHaisley
@JordanHaisley 3 жыл бұрын
@@Frentraken heating elements, insulation, pid controller. Not super difficult
@Frentraken
@Frentraken 3 жыл бұрын
@@JordanHaisley and at least a half dozen temperature probes for something that big, plus insulation required to maintain 350f is gonna add serious bulk, which will need to be addressed for clamping. So again not impossible, but still not slapping a heating coil on and calling it a day easy either. I stand by the idea of just warming it. Small heating elements embedded in the wood frame behind the aluminum, then some 3/4 inch hard foam board insulation, and then either another layer of aluminum, or thin wood so the clamps don't sink into it.
@jordansjournal1324
@jordansjournal1324 3 жыл бұрын
I was literally just thinking the other day that it would be amazing to figure out a way to upscale home plastic recycling to building material sizes, and now I'm eternally grateful for you guys doing most it for me lol. I know what I'm building next year's garden beds out of. I'm gonna try a few experiments with HDPE grocery bags as well, since I already use those to spin "yarn" for knitting projects, but have tons of edge cuttings that aren't the right shape for it and are just sitting in a bag.
@Shadenir
@Shadenir 3 жыл бұрын
I would be concerned about plastics leaching into the soil and from there into the plants I'm growing to eat. Might be safe if you use the right liner though?
@gr8dvd
@gr8dvd 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shadenir HDPE is used for milk jugs and other food products so as safe as any material for garden bed.
@gr8dvd
@gr8dvd 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea, saw thin concrete raised bed on YT with interlocking panels, basically holes at ends (corners) that accept rebar driven thru into the ground.
@markmitchell590
@markmitchell590 2 жыл бұрын
If it's not UV stabilised it will become brittle and start dusting.
@nicholasmorrison1476
@nicholasmorrison1476 3 жыл бұрын
I like the mould for the wood, but the motivating principle as to "would I do this" actually comes down to the melting plastic time efficiency, make tools that automate that and you are on a winner!
@akshay.kumar.k
@akshay.kumar.k 2 жыл бұрын
That marbling is just delightful.
@TheLovelyMissBeans
@TheLovelyMissBeans 3 жыл бұрын
I kept seeing candy making in this video...I wonder if the old fashioned candy making equipment like the heated table and taffy pulling machine would make this process more efficient.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
That's a really interesting idea!
@bmmaaate
@bmmaaate 3 жыл бұрын
Or the big flat grill from a burger van.
@3dw3dw
@3dw3dw 3 жыл бұрын
My recommendation to make larger beams like 8' 10' even 12' in length is to use strip heaters in the mold and add the shredded plastic directly. Make the mold taller or melt it in layers. The tricky part and I'm not sure off the top of my head how you would do it is to load it all into a vacuum chamber. Because you can't have air bubbles if there wasn't any air (ie. vacuum) to begin with. Also with a vacuum you won't need a press because gravity will pull everything down when the plastic becomes a liquid.
@UltramaticOrange
@UltramaticOrange 2 жыл бұрын
0:59 Ideally, the endgrain should curve in opposite directions so if the board has a tendency to warp a specific direction, that warping will fight itself.
@ptrinch
@ptrinch 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the time stamp. I was quite confused when I read your comment. Thinking something along the lines of 'what kind of idiot thinks there's endgrain in a plastic beam.' Then I saw what you were referencing.
@wittnessbe_judged8723
@wittnessbe_judged8723 2 жыл бұрын
I love, absolutely love, people like your family. A family that plays together stays together. Wouldn't that be so cool if they could stop the pollution of all of its plastic bottle waste? Then make houses for the homeless made from plastic and old pallets, that people are just casting into the garbage, or on the side of the road. It's great to recycle!
@RedHeadKevin
@RedHeadKevin 3 жыл бұрын
The real way to increase production is to use a big oven with several racks. The kind of heaters used in school cafeterias would work well for this. Pile the plastic shavings onto 10 sheet pans, and load them in. You could cook several kilos of plastic at once. You could even leave some in while you work with others.
@tinaswarehouse7919
@tinaswarehouse7919 3 жыл бұрын
Now your talking!!
@keels3280
@keels3280 3 жыл бұрын
I love this so much. I did a project, inspired by you guys, where I created large letters of the alphabet. I made like giant cookie cutters out of aluminium offcuts that a local aluminium manufacturer donated to me. The results were amazing. I'm hoping to work with a localish school for additional needs to pass in the knowledge too. Its definitely time consuming. But it's a start and in sure in time an answer to time saving and affordability will come.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds SO cool!
@joshgarlick185
@joshgarlick185 3 жыл бұрын
I would be curious to find out the difference between the wood and plastic beams. Like how much weight can they support both vertically and horizontally. Also as I am just discovering this channel are there any other plastics that might be more abundant that these beams could be made out of that can still hold up to the wood standard?
@wandererstraining
@wandererstraining 3 жыл бұрын
The strength of wood comes from its fibres. Plastic should be more solid than wood if the direction of the force would run parallel to the wood grain, but wood would be more solid than plastic if the force would run perpendicular to the grain. If you're looking for a strong plastic material that has fibres like wood and that you can make yourself, micarta or fiberglass would do the job, but as far as I know they're not recyclable the way HDPE is. HDPE, as far as I know, is the most common thermoplastic that you can just shred, reheat and mould. With that said, again, wood beams will be stronger than HDPE beams if used correctly.
@Krieghandt
@Krieghandt 3 жыл бұрын
At this point, you are getting into fiberglass and carbon fibers. Carbon fiber requires you to know your load vectors though. But if done right, it is amazingly strong.
@kameljoe21
@kameljoe21 3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure about framing of larger items, Yet these boards are great for decking. I have helped install quite a few of these boards and they look good even 5 years plus later. How strong they are I have no clue.
@wandererstraining
@wandererstraining 3 жыл бұрын
@@kameljoe21 Yeah, number 1 application would be for weather resistance! Now I'm wondering if it would be useful to coat regular lumber in HDPE and then smooth it out, or if the materials would separate over time.
@kameljoe21
@kameljoe21 3 жыл бұрын
@@wandererstraining coating it would rot the wood out faster. The smallerst amount of water to get in there will cause it to rot. YOu can see this done when they do vinal fencing. They put plastic housing over 4x4 post and over a 10 year peiord or sometimes less they will rot out if they get enough water in them. This happens when the cap cracks or gets knocked off. So a coating is not ideal.
@Simphome
@Simphome 2 жыл бұрын
I admit this is quite innovative. But, how do you use it, I wonder. And can it replace wood or any other material for home construction or furniture?
@raysalmon6442
@raysalmon6442 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea. Questions, how many watts of electric were used? Is it more or less than that used to produce a timber beam of the same size? Presumably an industrial scale may be more economic. Hard to get around the carbon footprint issue.
@martinharvey63
@martinharvey63 3 жыл бұрын
solar panels or design an oven at less wattage for recycling plasic ?
@Tetris1188
@Tetris1188 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if you could pre heat the plastic in a solar oven
@mattivirta
@mattivirta 5 ай бұрын
totally no matter how many WATT you use, not important if can made and build somethink good itself. all carbon footprint etc economy have only big shit, no matter and no help or destroy anythink.
@EVERGLOW828
@EVERGLOW828 2 жыл бұрын
That beam is so cool and magical, your daughter is literally precious absolutely gorgeous. I would love to see these produced on a mass scale from recycling facilities.
@APoetByAnyOtherName
@APoetByAnyOtherName 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the methods I've thought of so far involve basically reinventing injection mold casting, that or just cooking your plastic in a giant hot pot of some kind, though I assume one of the main concerns is having an even distribution of heat and maintaining a constant temperature, so possibly an electric slow cooker or a double boiler set up for doing large quantities of plastic all at once rather than the slow laborious task of melting small amounts in a panini press.
@geraldfrost4710
@geraldfrost4710 2 жыл бұрын
I've worked with plastics for years, and I laughed the whole way through this video. "We recycled this plastic!" well, yes you did, but the amount of time and energy used was phenomenal! (math warning!) You can buy new plastic for $5 per kilo. It takes six hours of labor (that's two guys times three hours each) then you come to the conclusion that they're working at $0.83 per hour. Alternatively, if you figure you should pay $10 for grunt labor (no brains attached) you come to $60 per kilo of recycled plastic. Either way, clearly something is out of whack by an order of magnitude.
@bryanblaze4982
@bryanblaze4982 2 жыл бұрын
@@geraldfrost4710 r/whoosh The point of the video isn't how practical it is, but to inspire others into reusing recyclables. Recycling & learning new ways & things you can do with them is good thing! You said you laughed the whole way through the video which is weird because I only laughed at your reply. Your math definitely needed a warning because it's wrong. If it's $5 per kg & they use 1.8kg then the price of the plastic new would be $9, 1.8 x 5 = 9, not $5 total like you used. Next, as you said it took 2 people 3 hours to complete, so 2 x 3 =6. Last, $9 divided by the work hours gets you the price/pay per hour of work, so 9 ÷ 6 = 1.5 or $1.50 per hour. Maybe learn math before you try & sound smart next time! Thanks for all the laughs & I wish you the best!
@bobfleischmann5208
@bobfleischmann5208 2 жыл бұрын
Here's some more math for ya'll... I'm not sure of the exact specifics, but I recon it costs about 86 cents worth of electricity to run the two 1800 watt oven/hot plate for the 3 hour duration (at $0.08 per kWh). Not much overall cost, but where did that electricity come from??? If not from your backyard solar panels or an up-stream hydro plant, then that's some CO2 emitting fossil fuels being burned for this. Still, great idea and very useful - if even on a small scale. We never get an even trade with anything, but I'd rather see this recycling than plastic end up in the ocean. I have some cable runners made from recycled plastic. You can clearly see the different colors and chips used in the press. Very durable and it makes me smile that they were made from old water bottles and such!
@EncryptedLiberty
@EncryptedLiberty 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryanblaze4982 Yo, dude, you didn't understand him and all talked down to him through your whole reply. It's shameful, and it makes you look stupid, not the educated guy who speaking about his own field. *New* plastic is $5 per kilo. If 3 hours of labor from two people is worth $10 an hour, that's $60 in addition to the price of materials. You didn't calculate anything. You just showed your ass on the internet.
@HidekiShinichi
@HidekiShinichi 2 жыл бұрын
Inspiring others to use recyclables? But what those guys did is harmfull. It is recycling but same way rape is sex, technically the same but there is a huge difference. Recycling is good because it reduces the impact on environment and pollute planet less. But what those guys did is far away from it, the energy they wasted to melt all that plastic was more polluting than having to make a fresh plastic beam out of non recycled materials would be. Its like trying to save starving kids in africa by burning a whole village saved foods and crops to cook 2 steaks on that flame for a whole village to eat for next year... Yeah you are "feeding" the hungry but you end up fucking them more in long run.
@mariusmeergans7416
@mariusmeergans7416 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to do this for years. You guys are very creative .Please become the future leaders of industry . Lateral thought is intelligence.
@BroMweymouth
@BroMweymouth 3 жыл бұрын
Would a large double boiler work" to melt down larger amounts quicker, or is there a drawback I'm not thinking of?
@ANNtique
@ANNtique 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I recently picked up a second hand panini press and I’ve been saving lids for a while now
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@buffymcfadden9755
@buffymcfadden9755 2 жыл бұрын
That was rather impressive. My imagination went wild. I would love to see you guys diy a greenhouse using your plastic beams.
@badsamaritan8223
@badsamaritan8223 2 жыл бұрын
I wanna see Michael Reynolds build an Earthship using these, as they currently use lumber, which is one of the few materials they use that aren't recycled.
@Garage4Life
@Garage4Life 2 жыл бұрын
I stared using this technique for knife handle scales but with smaller pieces. And it went awesome.
@bowmanruto
@bowmanruto 3 жыл бұрын
been following this channel for a short while now, these video's have really shown me the potential of working with HDPE and have experimenting with it for a few weeks now and have a few observations I've made about it so far I thought I'd share (and apology's in advance for the large wall of text) hpde's pliability allows it to be easily used for living hinges and or springs (meaning there's no glue or rivets that can fail between a spring and a part) its strong enough that when cast as two hollow parts and welded together with heat it can still be a mechanically functional/stress bearing part it floats easily even when its a solid part when using white/translucent hdpe that turns transparent when heated its possible to color it by using both natural and artificial pigment powder, and this pigment powder douse not affect the thermal property's of the plastic nor douse it cause any fumes, this works for all pigments which includes metallic and color shifting pigments (have only attempted this with white HDPE as I doubt it would work with colored hdpe but this is a test I'll attempt in future, even if changing the color is not possible it should still be possible however to turn a unappealing slurry of color into black HDPE using dark pigment for example charcoal powder though I again have yet to test this but this is the next test I have lined up as I have a bunch of orange and dark green bottle caps, which is not the most appealing color combo) it seems when it comes out of the panini press to lose its heat fast enough that it gets below 200 celsius soon after, this means it should be possible to use HPDE in its clay like state in a resin two part mold, be this a conventional resin mold or even a 3d printed resin mold (most resins crack at 200 c) have only tested this so far using press fitting resin prints into it but that worked great high temperature hot glue seems to be able to bond pieces of HDPE together at least temporarily especially on a rough sanded surface, I am going to be trying a few type of two part epoxy's to see if I can get any better result aswell it is very much possible to use both woodworking and blacksmithing/jewelry smithing methods on this material which opens up a whole new world of possibility, (one thing I've not tried is casting methods as I'm afraid the temperature at which HDPE becomes liquid enough to cast is also the point at which it starts burning/fuming) and lastly but not least back to the strengths of HDPE and where I'll be focusing my efforts most in future after I complete all the testing, when molded in the same way as you would mold steel to increase its impact resistance (rounding and fluting primarily) HDPE seems to have about half the impact resistance as its equivalent in steel whist being far easier to repair... or in other words a piece double the thickness is potentially as strong as whist being potentially lighter, so far I've tested a few pieces of varying thickness and density and the results are promising. looking around elsewhere online I seem to not be the only one interested in this particular application of HDPE as there are a few company's producing H.E.M.A. gear out of HDPE (though most are focused on high volume utilitarian gear), currently the best way for the arms and armor community to get beautiful genuinely looking armor is either A. commission a custom hand forged steel suit which costs between €5000-€10.000 not to mention the oil required to keep it from rusting (as buying a handmade suit out of stainless steel is impossibly expensive and labor intensive) or B. buy an aluminum suit which cannot be used for sparring... I hope to add an option C. to this in the form of custom on commission basis HDPE suits of armor, they won't offer as much protection as steel so they can't be used against polearms or for jousting, but they should be able to protect against a longsword and anything below 380 newtons of force (which is what most schools and tournaments are designed around these days), whist being cheaper than aluminum. will this be incredibly labor intensive and still be an expensive item? yesn just form the labor hours alone. but form my experience if there's anyone willing to spend big amounts on finely hand crafted items its the arms and armor community... plus the appreciation of the past helping the future by reducing plastic waste is a thought I very much enjoy. p.s. sorry to anyone that did not expect to be reading a damn essay on HDPE when they started to read this comment xDDD , but I very much appreciate it if anyone did in fact read all of it, any suggestions as to any additional tests I could preform would be much appreciated and ofcorse I welcome any and all questions about my findings.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Now that was a long comment! But it was all super interesting stuff, some awesome finds in there. We've saved your comment down to keep for future reference too, so thank you for that! Really interesting application idea for armour - I imagine it would still be super labour intensive, but like you say any set of armour would be. Also, keep us posted on your findings regarding being able to glue it if any of the epoxy you try ends up working!
@rondamylove9995
@rondamylove9995 3 жыл бұрын
This was awesome! Share more!💕
@pawewojtas88
@pawewojtas88 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I am doing some research too. Actually planning to incorporate HDPE and PP sheets into modular furniture design. I’ve already read a ton of scientific papers and it turns out PP, HDPE and LDPE are all relatively safe. Still being cautious when handling them in melted state is reasonable as You never know what kind of additives there are. In terms of mechanical properties PP seems to be the best, also being slightly less dense. On the other hand HDPE has lower melting point and is much more resilient to low temperatures. This month I will be carrying out tensile strength tests of recycled HDPE from detergents and milk bottles to see how it differs from virgin material. Also have designed a no-tool furniture connector that I wish to prototype trough injection moulding soon. I will post results online in my engineer thesis when its done and approved. P. S. Really glad people start to realise how plastic pollution literally kills us.
@rondamylove9995
@rondamylove9995 3 жыл бұрын
@@pawewojtas88 I'd love to see that when it's ready!
@gerardrivers5776
@gerardrivers5776 3 жыл бұрын
Good read. How you think this recycled plastic can react to uv exposure? Let’s say I want to build a bench for my backyard. Do I need to add anything to prevent deterioration? Thank you
@bryancurtis220
@bryancurtis220 3 жыл бұрын
I'm already saving plastic, for future projects. Thanks for the great tips, you guys are awesome.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
That's great to hear, Bryan. Good luck with them!
@DjCuddlebear
@DjCuddlebear 3 жыл бұрын
Doing the same. In Norway we recycle bottles. But I'm keeping the caps. It's going to take ages. But I'm having ideas for Christmas 2022
@VincentRogozyk
@VincentRogozyk 3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about breathing the fumes of plastic melting. Is it of any concern to you guys? Do you have any knowledge around the subject?
@sauceLegs
@sauceLegs 3 жыл бұрын
its just melting, not combusting, so no fumes
@econopulenceplanet3214
@econopulenceplanet3214 3 жыл бұрын
@@sauceLegs that's not necessarily true, materials can produce emissions without any combustion, for example recently the emission of formaldehyde has become more and more of concern in composite wooden products like osb and multiplex
@nordlead3296
@nordlead3296 3 жыл бұрын
@@sauceLegs ABS is notorious for giving off toxic fumes while being 3d printed. Nothing that will kill you, but it can have both short and long term health effects.
@sauceLegs
@sauceLegs 3 жыл бұрын
@@nordlead3296 good to know, I didn't realize
@nordlead3296
@nordlead3296 3 жыл бұрын
ABS and PVC are the two plastics you generally have to worry about fumes for (I'm sure there are more). HDPE is generally considered safe. The bigger concern would be any additives since this is recycled plastic and could have anything in it.
@bobsworld8145
@bobsworld8145 2 жыл бұрын
I think you did a great job the possibility of the things you can make are endless good job and keep thinking outside the box
@miashinbrot8388
@miashinbrot8388 2 жыл бұрын
The marbled effect is beautiful. I can imagine construction being done with beams like that instead of wood, given whatever additions are necessary to make it UV-resistant and at least as strong as ordinary softwood --- someone suggested using (recycled) fibreglass for extra strength. I can see a 21st-century construction style developing which uses only marbled plastic-wood, used to show off its beauty, and little or no drywall at all. This would actually, potentially, have three ecological benefits: 1) Recycling the plastic to keep it out of the oceans (and landfills). 2) Replacing wood in building, thus there can be less denuded forestland. 3) Leaving trees to grow and remain as carbon sinks. Admittedly 2) and 3) are closely connected -- the connection is that trees that are not used in construction can continue to grow and sequester carbon. I can add a fourth potential ecological benefit if the construction style above takes off: 4) Less use of drywall with whatever ecological problems are (probably) associated with its manufacture. There is financial and ecological cost, such as energy use and off-gassing, associated with the manufacture of plastic-wood too; it would have to be studied to determine to what extent plastic-wood's costs are offset by the removal of the costs of making plastic-wood instead.
@snidecommenter7117
@snidecommenter7117 2 жыл бұрын
Would need to worry about high summer heat. I have seen pictures of plastic objects that have melted ( fences, traffic cones, etc )
@AncapistanVan
@AncapistanVan 3 жыл бұрын
You could combine the processes of melting and pressing into one step. Build a 2x4 shaped panini press with nichrome wire encased in ceramic, protected by steel, mounted to the bottom of the pressing instrument. Add bottle caps. Add blades to edges to automatically trim off excess. Press and heat. Done.
@SubjectXXX
@SubjectXXX 3 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same: aluminium also has higher melting point than plastic..
@brynelequire4158
@brynelequire4158 3 жыл бұрын
Since you’re primarily using bottle tops, I think there’s a faster way of melting them down potentially. It involves a steel tube with a large enough inner diameter to feed the caps through, and an induction heater coil (or a few along the pipe). Might have to add a rheostat to control temperature, but once dialled in I’m sure it would work like a plastic melting conveyor.
@brennonmorning9682
@brennonmorning9682 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great idea. It would take lot of trial and error but the end result sounds promising and efficient
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds exactly like our injection moulding machine. Check out a couple of our other videos and you’ll see it in action!
@janetcizek3112
@janetcizek3112 2 жыл бұрын
My grandson has been enjoying Kiwico for a couple years. Loves it.
@chrisluce6614
@chrisluce6614 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, very interesting! A good way to repurpose old equipment would be a discarded dryer. They have a ton of heat output and you can probably find one with a broken drum to save from becoming scrap. It would take a bit of DIY but you could make a huge convection oven that could be controlled on the timer. Set it and forget it melting a whole bin of caps (under supervision of course).
@CoffeeTech101
@CoffeeTech101 3 жыл бұрын
Here's a thought for you guys. Being that the frame is metal, you could place a silicon heating pad (with built in thermostat) on the metal frame itself, preferably the underside length as that would make the most sense. They use these silicon pads in some 3d printers to heat up the beds for plastic adhesion. You'd be basically creating a direct heat box instead of melting the plastic in your ovens. At that point its arrange your plastic in the frame, plug it in, wait for it to melt and press/form it. Then unplug and wait for it to cool.
@sleepingbag2424
@sleepingbag2424 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see this be tried! Smart thinking :)
@1972Russianwolf
@1972Russianwolf 3 жыл бұрын
@@sleepingbag2424 That would basically be the Precious Plastic Sheet Press with a mold for rectangular pieces in it instead of the square sheet mold .
@Msmeohmy52
@Msmeohmy52 3 жыл бұрын
How about the blending and air bubble removal?
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea! Definitely one we'll have a think about. Thanks 🤙🏼🤙🏼
@TrashPandaDiscGolf
@TrashPandaDiscGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, you guys killed that one! Super clean and totally accessible 👌🏼
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, brother 🤙🏼
@correctpolitically4784
@correctpolitically4784 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to figure out how to make sheet material about 1/2 inch thick and 4x8 ft. or maybe 1x6 . Do you think that maybe making a self heating mold might work if there is an iron backing behind the aluminum and it's heated by an induction coil ?
@TorquilBletchleySmythe
@TorquilBletchleySmythe Жыл бұрын
For bulk processing, use a big double boiler over a gas ring. This enables consistent lower temperatures over a good surface area. Just use caution when lifting the pot out of the boiler vessel, hot plastic, steam and boiling water are not fun to spill on oneself.
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын
A double boiler never gets much above 100degC
@TorquilBletchleySmythe
@TorquilBletchleySmythe Жыл бұрын
@TheBaconWizard plastic liquefies just above the boiling point of water. Good double boilers seal enough to get the pressurised steam to heat the boiler itself to above 100'C. Alternatively, use oil instead of water, and you can push the temps up to optimal with a good thermometer and a reliable heating element, the extended temperature range of oil will get you up to 200'C with no flash point issues.
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын
@@TorquilBletchleySmythe Just use an induction heater. Better still, make moulds from mild steel and use them to directly melt the HDPE inside them.
@TorquilBletchleySmythe
@TorquilBletchleySmythe Жыл бұрын
@TheBaconWizard I see inconsistent polymer bonding using heated moulds, and an induction ring does not share the same fine-tuneability as a gas ring. Inadequate bonding of beaded or shredded polymer waste leads to delamination and variables in tensile strength. I prefer the double boiler for thorough mixing and bonding of individual elements of the plastic. My industrial plastic production experience is in recovery, conversion, proofing, extrusion, and injection moulding. If you are choosing to simplify the industrial process for diy production for enthusiasts, you still need to consider the basic processes required for strong, consistent products. Otherwise, you will suffer structural failures and add to the already concerning stockpile of global plastic waste.
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын
@@TorquilBletchleySmythe Induction can be FAR more easily tuned than gass. One can even achieve sous-vide cooking with it, without a sous-vide machine.
@mattbendzinski4945
@mattbendzinski4945 2 жыл бұрын
It's awesome to see the thought and ingenuity that went into this. Very complex and time consuming but that can be reduced. It's also awesome to see the little ones getting involved. In 20 years they'll be WAY ahead of other folks in their knowledge and skills. Keep up the great work. Recycling (and less use of recyclables) is always where we need to go.
@shamancredible8632
@shamancredible8632 11 ай бұрын
in 20 years they'll be living in the pod and eating bugs along with everyone else because of people like you who think you know everything
@carolynhucker6334
@carolynhucker6334 2 жыл бұрын
The end result looks great. I am concerned about the amount of electricity used to do this, but the ideas people have had for a solar heater either as an oven or for the base of the mould is a good way round that. I'm wondering how easy would it be to make a cylindrical form, either solid or tube? I think they would look great for garden structures, and maybe the 2 x 4 would be strong enough for a shed frame (sized up a bit)
@mrnorpmec
@mrnorpmec 2 жыл бұрын
i have no idea why, but hearing your voice just makes feel soothed.
@rickymeadows9708
@rickymeadows9708 3 жыл бұрын
This could be really cool to incorporate into some sort of furniture build. I'm thinking a table top with alternating wood and plastic boards.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Cool idea!
@jaceyrainbartolome7628
@jaceyrainbartolome7628 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! I'm from the Philippines. I'm currently doing some research and wondering if you can also create a recycled plastic beam out of shredded plastic straws and plastic sheet film, including the materials you used for this video. I've searched the material composition of each material you used in creating the recycled plastic beam and I've observed that Polypropylene and Polyethylene are the type of plastics that were considered. The bottle cap is made out of polypropylene and the plastic welded box is made out of polyethylene. Since plastic straw is made of polypropylene and plastic covered with polyethylene, I was wondering if they can be recycled too. I'm performing some research and searching for an easy way to properly dispose of shredded plastic straws and plastic covers and avoid them ending up in landfills. Hope I could get your attention and you can answer my questions. Thank you.
@leostgeorge2080
@leostgeorge2080 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jacey, I also live in PH though i am American. Yes you can use straws and plastic covering. There method is time consuming and costly. If you are looking for a commercial application i would suggest extrusion. You can make beams or round stock to any length. The initial cost would be more but you would get a better product much quicker to make. Turning the plastic into small pieces first will also help greatly in time reduction and be a must for extruding. Water and soda bottles would work great and just thrown away here as i see it. I wish you luck in your endeavor.
@You-can-fix-it-yourself
@You-can-fix-it-yourself 2 жыл бұрын
Making roof shingles and siding boards this way would be an excellent use. Also, using low-tech silicon heaters on the mold will increase your mold work time. These heaters are used on engines for easy starting, and they are inexpensive.
@AndrewHelgeCox
@AndrewHelgeCox 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried sprinkling chopped glass fibre strands onto the batches in the press and then measuring the strength of the beams compared to ones with no fibres at the end?
@weazeldark3983
@weazeldark3983 3 жыл бұрын
Make the whole thing out of steel and use oven elements on the length of it Just put the plastic in and melt it then press down
@Woakipa
@Woakipa 2 жыл бұрын
Got to love how KZbin sometimes shows you some of the coolest projects when you least expect it. It would be pretty cool to incorporate this into a desk of some kind. Appreciate the idea!
@LionsLamb79
@LionsLamb79 2 жыл бұрын
I was literally just researching recycled plastic deck furniture, and one chair was 700$ , and then this pops up, and I'm like, " Hmm, I can diy an Adirondack chair instead."
@paulonopa
@paulonopa 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think you two may need to figure out how to make lengths of custom hot wheels track out of this stuff. That would be cool.
@michaelgroce966
@michaelgroce966 6 ай бұрын
This was amazing. I work to many hours to replace my garden boards with this, but I wish I could!
@MadManFPV
@MadManFPV 3 жыл бұрын
What about using silicone heat mats, like the ones used in the bed of a 3D printer? Then you could heat and form at the same time!
@0riole11
@0riole11 2 жыл бұрын
I think replacing the sandwich press with a Pizza Oven would speed things up, and using a heat gun on the mold could give you more time to press the plastic in. I would love to see fence palings made with this method
@sambeaumont395
@sambeaumont395 2 жыл бұрын
I could just imagine it taking a year of very dedicated work to make enough palings.
@derekmills5394
@derekmills5394 2 жыл бұрын
Fence POSTS (Primarily for farm use) are commercially made in New Zealand, mainly from milk bottles and pallet wrap.
@TheGremlin50cal
@TheGremlin50cal 2 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. just a thought, I have some experience with casting metal but have never melted plastic, what is the maximum operating temperature of the plastic? You heated it up to a taffy consistency and as you saw it was a pain to work with and get in the mold, could you make it hotter and thus more liquid? It might be easier to work with at a higher temperature but higher temperature may increase the risk of off-gassing toxic fumes or it may alter the molecular structure and make the finished product weaker. Your use of the panini press is resourceful but if you want to melt plastic efficiently in large enough quantities to make boards you need something that takes way less touch labor, some kind of plastic forge that you just dump buckets of bottle caps into and it just melts them all automatically, again the operating temperature range would determine how you designed the system.
@russiannpcbot6408
@russiannpcbot6408 2 жыл бұрын
I use an old soldering iron to melt HDPE scraps to patch cracks/leaks in other HDPE items I have. It begins to weaken around 100°F from what I've read. It's much more stable at lower temperatures. That's why it's so commonly used for refrigerated products. It's also an inert plastic that doesn't leach any detectable chemicals into foods or liquids when in a solid state. You do not want to melt it into a liquid form because you'll burn of a lot of the plastic. Plastics are petroleum based and will burn. A Play-Doh like consistency is best. LDPE and PE are lower density forms of HDPE. Those could be melted down as well. Don't mix them because they won't stick to each other. Don't try to melt PVC. It will release a ton of chemicals in the air that are very bad for your health.
@wildalice
@wildalice 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, new to the plastic game here! What is LDPE and HDPE?
@ericthecyclist
@ericthecyclist Жыл бұрын
@@wildalice PE= polyethylene LD=low density HD=high density
@wildalice
@wildalice Жыл бұрын
@@ericthecyclist thanks pal!
@natesturm448
@natesturm448 8 ай бұрын
It may not completely solve waste but it sure does help with it. I can think of a 1000 things I can do with just a piece of plastic just laying around to cut off of for other projects in the shop! Great video.
@ColonelSandersLite
@ColonelSandersLite 3 жыл бұрын
"It would be great to hear if you have any ideas to make this more feasible." Salvage the heating element and controls from a junk electric oven. Straighten out the heating element. Make a self heating mold. Bonus - you will have scrap sheet metal and insulation from the oven itself that you can work with. Then you can just add your plastic scraps, stir, turn off the heat, and press.
@alexmousley7213
@alexmousley7213 2 жыл бұрын
Inspirational video. I think aestheticaly the combination of melted plastics looks a bit like green marble- highly decorative and the potential to make it into something like planters for the garden or house is great- though making a hollow former may be more challenging.
@JohnTurner313
@JohnTurner313 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Would love to see a strength test, maybe a bowing/warping test, too.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting!
@unogazzy84
@unogazzy84 2 жыл бұрын
This is an extremely good idea. People can introduce this in the housing industry. Less plastic in the land fills and more building materials. It's a win win. People who cut it should be able to collect as much plastic as possible and the roughing should be done at a special place so the small plastic bits doesn't make their way to nature.
@skyislands8887
@skyislands8887 3 жыл бұрын
As already stated, use electrical heating. For an easy build at home option, making the internal of the set mould out of a thermally conductive metal like aluminum or stainless but the external out of a thermally insulative material, like a good quality hardwood lined with a fire blanket. Commercial Refrigeration defrosting cable (a flat resistive ribbon cable used ) layed between the fire blanket and aluminum. This can be then allow for a controlled controlled temperature enviroment and extended pliability in the plastic, and an even all round heat / cool cycle. Going all the way, a heated concrete mould block, with with a removable folded stainless steel internal liner and checking holes through the side to release excess pressurised product and air bubbles when compressed is applied.... The concrete can be heated to maintenance temperature, and several stainless moulds rotated through it. one step farther is to use a combo of solar heated water or gas heating in embedded tubes supplemented by electrical heating .... All that time i spent designing and making heated rocks and enclosures for snakes and lizards may not have entirely been in vainn
@L0rdEsedess
@L0rdEsedess 3 жыл бұрын
@Brothers Make - Just finished your Video. This seems very online with how: Skatelight & Gator Skins have Revolutionized the Top layers for Ramp Builds. If your process can do that for the rest of the Wood needed for builds...the Possabilites would be insane. Also try doing one but adding in Carbon Fibers into it for more Strength.
@modustrial
@modustrial 3 жыл бұрын
Great ideas here! I really need to incorporate your processes in one of my projects soon!
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Do it man. Give us a shout if you need any tips 🤙🏽
@toriladybird511
@toriladybird511 3 жыл бұрын
Plus as a fan of both WINand win for me ❤️
@dstr1
@dstr1 3 жыл бұрын
What is the function of Beam and how does that function in relation to temperature above melting point?
@MusicalSavior23
@MusicalSavior23 2 жыл бұрын
Get a big ass t-shirt press!
@wafflebeaver
@wafflebeaver 2 жыл бұрын
Cliff! The concrete mold works great for casting plastic. Let me know if you want me to ship you some shredded good stuff.
@amy_pieterse
@amy_pieterse Жыл бұрын
I love that they use simple tools. It is more realistic. I don't have all the tools half of these DIY channels have.
@JoelRyder1
@JoelRyder1 3 жыл бұрын
Love what you’re doing here! Someone may have already suggested this but how about making your own wood fired (or alike) smelting pot? You could melt a lot more plastic at once, not use electricity and it might be faster 🤔
@NathanBurnham
@NathanBurnham 3 жыл бұрын
Burning wood releases a lot of CO2
@irkedoff
@irkedoff 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely beautiful❣ It's great to see people actively recycling and sharing how to do it yourself. Thanks.
@invisiblue3212
@invisiblue3212 3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about the load-bearing capabilities compared to standard wood boards? Also wondering about any microplastics these might start to release over time 🤔
@BigFarm_ah365
@BigFarm_ah365 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the ambient temperature
@scarletletter4900
@scarletletter4900 7 ай бұрын
I love how you make merhods that can be readily built on.
@TangoDeltaDelta
@TangoDeltaDelta 3 жыл бұрын
There are companies that make lawn furniture out of those beams of recycled HDPE. I think one company is called ByTheYard. Rot-proof, weatherproof, insect-proof, etc. Pretty expensive, but should last virtually forever if you don't melt it.
@rv_PH
@rv_PH 2 жыл бұрын
Have watched this before and re-watching it again. May I know: a. From 8 kilos of used/waste plastic, what was weight of the beam from the mold, and as polished? b. In terms of energy or electricity usage, how much total did you end up consuming (from heating them down to polishing, including working on the mold)? Much thanks for the inspiration.
@RodLucanor
@RodLucanor 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering how energy in KW needed for recicling a pound of clean plástic (residual dirty plástic wears much more E to clean) and if the process can be made with solar ovens
@prizegotti
@prizegotti 3 жыл бұрын
I think the amount of steps is what is taking you so long. Grinding everything up will definitely help speed up the process, and I'd probably just focus on the toaster oven, as you're adding time by transferring from one to another and mixing bits together. If you just grind everything up nice and small, you can throw it all in the oven together, melt it, then folding and stretching, then repeat until you have a smooth mix. Grinding can also be done ahead of time in bulk so you can just grab the required amount whenever you went to press another bar.
@marinalobas9821
@marinalobas9821 Жыл бұрын
That is what our children should learn and practice making in schools.
@abrahamfelix1536
@abrahamfelix1536 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome project! For the time element, maybe a future project could be a miniaturized hydraulic auger; in injection molding, the main screw turning provides about 80% of the heat to melt the plastic from the mechanical friction of twisting and stretching the plastic. They're normally huge setups to provide crazy high tonnage of pressure, but something small could probably greatly help with handling
@intratis
@intratis 3 жыл бұрын
You'd have to heat the entirety of the volume equally, after abrasion or reduction (chipping) so the medium is first all a uniform size so the recrystallization of the heated chemical doesnt become uneven while folding it puts air into the mixture, creating microfractures, so it should be done in a vacuum to pull the air out of the combustion process for strength, and vulcanizing it should be done with consistent pressure distributed evenly across the surface using triangle blocks placed and lobbed between the surface and the clamp arm evenly divied across the length of the surface area.
@D_eyeofthe_BHolder
@D_eyeofthe_BHolder 2 жыл бұрын
I recognized the fact that their method of removing air pockets was actually adding them, as well. While I love the enthusiasm of the project, I detest the confidence in the supposed “facts” of explanation of certain processes. This is an issue I run into a lot of times with “how-to” videos.
@jasoncsullog3741
@jasoncsullog3741 3 жыл бұрын
Always been curious. What is the production time for these projects? Especially the larger ones. Obviously a video doesn't show how long you've been working. Thanks! Love the content.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
We talked about it at the end of the video!
@Mike-ud7hc
@Mike-ud7hc Жыл бұрын
Dissassembly a fee panini presses and attach them to the mold. Place bottle caps in mold, melt in place. Make the void taller than before to allow the appropriate volume of unmelted caps to be place in. Then make the top press piece deep enough to squish it alp the way down, adding weight to that piece so it does it with the assistance of gravity. Good luck getting the bubbles out.
@ThePiemasteification
@ThePiemasteification 3 жыл бұрын
You've got the proof of concept, the way to make it time-feasible is scaling up!
@Digitalhunny
@Digitalhunny 2 жыл бұрын
I love it! Great idea to use up as many caps as possible. Imagine using the in a retail store setting? Local skate shop, kids clothing stores or art supplies shop anything fun, could look amazing if done properly! 😁
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! That’s a great idea :)
@sharkyshark1
@sharkyshark1 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the key downfall of this is yeah while you're preventing plastic waste, you're wasting an insane amount of electricity, which I would argue you're creating WAY more waste than your saving probably by 50 fold or more.
@BrothersMake
@BrothersMake 3 жыл бұрын
Our electricity comes from 100% renewables 🤙🏽
@rogerterry5013
@rogerterry5013 3 жыл бұрын
Like the insane amount of electricity used to illuminate cites at night
@freewillchoice8052
@freewillchoice8052 3 жыл бұрын
Please elaborate your position for further comprehension.
@TheSardineNews
@TheSardineNews 3 жыл бұрын
Weirdo
@WiderNiner
@WiderNiner 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@djdrisco123
@djdrisco123 8 ай бұрын
This is an absolutely fantastic solution to boat deck supports. Wood is often used and rots from the water after a few years. This is light and will last about 500 years!
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