It’s worth noting that the recording has so much to do with how the system delivers. While it’s mostly old Jazz recordings, I have some music where the instruments were mixed to the extreme right or left, that make speakers disappearing impossible. Most often when listening, though, my speakers do appear nonexistent.
@benwu79805 ай бұрын
I was gonna say similar, I don't quite get what the intent was , since a lot of my favorite albums, or often live recording, make use of left/right channels for soundstage. I don't actually want a setup that makes speakers disappear, to a point where become... um, dual mono
@user-od9iz9cv1w5 ай бұрын
@@benwu7980It is not dual mono. It is an illusion of a deep 3d sound stage in which there is no apparent sound source at the speakers or from any other object in the room.
@jayem18265 ай бұрын
I like it when the bass is dead center and a sax is slightly off center To the right and the trumpet is slightly off to the left for example.
@user-od9iz9cv1w5 ай бұрын
@@jayem1826 Agreed. Often there is some depth as well. Clearly one out in front and the others a couple steps back.
@benwu79805 ай бұрын
@@user-od9iz9cv1w Yeah, dual mono is not quite really what I meant to convey, just that what you call a sound stage is important to a decent amount of the music I listen to. I don't quite think I'm meant to have speakers disappear, but then I think that even if made them disappear, that sound stage with still occur for those types of recordings.
@bwoutrage215 ай бұрын
Paul, there is one other way to get the speakers in that room to disappear. Box them up and just ship them to me. 😀
@Nonsense623654 ай бұрын
LOL😂
@xaviermontalban7175 ай бұрын
My wife asked the same question, but I don't think she meant the same
@matthewwray7495 ай бұрын
😂
@SWAMPYecowar5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@coyoteproject9995 ай бұрын
@xaviermontalban717 women don't like music ? why aren't they audiophile ? real question. All amps, speakers, cables (^^) thread it's always men !!!
@rubanyevichaleksandr19645 ай бұрын
😂
@Munakas-wq3gp5 ай бұрын
My GF said that the speakers look ugly on the stands but the sound is great... Kali audio IN-8 budget setup
@TheNathanMChannel5 ай бұрын
Leave your doors unlocked, disable all security systems and provide a clear path from your house to the road.
@TonyCottrell-iv2qv5 ай бұрын
!! I also expected a housebreaker's guide!
@arnoldhryciuk70915 ай бұрын
As much as speaker positioning and room tuning can make speakers disappear, the recording and equipment itself also contribute to this. Poorer quality speakers will not disappear no matter how you tune or position them. Years ago I listened many times to a pair of the old Wilson Grand Slams and it just amazed me how a large speaker like that would disappear. I could be standing right in front of one of them and the sound did not seem to be coming from the speaker, very impressive.
@davidhester98975 ай бұрын
One of the most amazing speakers I've ever heard disappear was a pair of ESS AMT4's back in the 1970s, it was a 2 way speaker with Heil tweeters firing front and back with 10 inch woofers. Instruments just floated in the room outside the speaker with a realism of music that was unbelievable. The room had some unreal acoustics for some reason, there was no wall treatment, just carpet on the floor and it was wood paneling on the walls. The room was probably something like 14' x 16' and just seemed perfect for those speakers. The depth was stunning at times on certain tracks, for instance on Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith at the beginning when Steven Tyler's vocal first starts singing sweeeeeet at a low volume it seemed to be coming from through the wall and behind the speakers maybe 10 or 12 feet and outdoors, as his voice gets louder in the mix while singing sweet and holding that vocal it comes up closer from through the wall and into the room, it was the craziest thing I've ever experienced. Also one other thing, while listening to a track you would get a sense of being in that very room of the recording studio and not like the space we were actually in, that actually scared me and I wanted to leave the room, it was eery. I've thought about that stereo experience for years and tried to figure out how that system performed like that, I think it was the acoustics of the room that somehow made it possible.
@bburkie555 ай бұрын
A friend of mine owns a pair of ESS AMT 1A speakers. He's had them since the late 1970s. Those are amazing speakers. I myself bought a newer pair of ESS (RM II 6") I absolutely love them.
@gino32865 ай бұрын
dq10 in my case
@glenncornwall43315 ай бұрын
You’re always informative, Paul I appreciate your commentary and your wisdom.
@PaperBoat.2 ай бұрын
Someone: How to make speakers disappear? Me: Well, just sell it! 😂
@soulshinobi5 ай бұрын
FINALLY, I know which book to buy, The Audiophile's Guide: The Loudspeaker is the more in depth one on speaker setup. So confusing on the website.
@ady33285 ай бұрын
Disappear? Give them to me? 😅.. only joking, love this channel. Brilliant
@shipsahoy17935 ай бұрын
People, this is old-school common sense .. you can even pull this off with a pair of couple-hundred dollar bookshelf speakers on stands with suitable tweaks. Nothing amazing here for us stereo audio enthusiasts that intently lived the hobby through the 1960's lol One of the sad consequences of the digital age is that fundamental concepts from the analog world become more and more obscure.
@0richbike5 ай бұрын
Use of specificity in casual conversation. 10 bonus points ;-)
@ThinkingBetter5 ай бұрын
Paul is super impressive by making these videos and also writing books while still being CEO of a company of great products.
@Canadian_Eh_I5 ай бұрын
He is definitely a formidable business person and I mean that as a compliment.
@connorduke46195 ай бұрын
Paul projects the personality of a Sun in Cancer, and if true that means he automatically has Earth in Capricorn which would make him very disciplined and efficient in his career, as per other famous Cancer success stories like Elon Musk, Richard Branson, etc.
@ThinkingBetter5 ай бұрын
@@Canadian_Eh_I Yes, it’s nice when you see genuine passion from a CEO concerning his own products. I might not like that he sells a stereo bi-wire speaker cable 10 feet for US$168,400 or same as 5 typical cars, but good for him if anyone out there buys it hahaha
@Mark-lq3sb5 ай бұрын
@@ThinkingBetter I almost passed out after reading your first post above. I thought, a change of heart, no negativity? Not even a disagreement, but I knew that wouldn't last. You couldn't resist in your reply to Canadian_Eh_I it came out, lol!
@RickMahoney20135 ай бұрын
He is a salesman for his company that is why he does these videos that is all just listen to all the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
@nazar54895 ай бұрын
"How to make speakers disappear" My wife keeps asking me the same question.
@IliyaOsnovikov5 ай бұрын
Once upon a time I went into some box store listening room and tried some Polk and Boston Acoustics tower speakers standing next to each other. And I was really surprised that one pair kind of disappeared but the other speakers were very prominent and easy to locate as the sources of sounds.
@gino32865 ай бұрын
A truly fascinating topic on one of the goals most desired by enthusiasts imhe disappearing act depends mostly on the qualities of the speakers and it will show pretty soon when the system has been warmed up a little Usually heaviest speakers disappear most i am sure that Ps Audio speakers disappear quite easily They are massive Very good The room acoustic instead impacts more on the soundstage instead Less wall reflections better pin point image
@mrpmj005 ай бұрын
Yep, love the Wilson Audio and GoldenEar. I have 3 GoldenEar BRX (L, center, right) in a mixed use music/movies 7.4.4 system. music source=apple music lossless
@banginghats25 ай бұрын
You would need a huge room for those speakers. I'm in the UK and most (even quite well off) people tend to live in glorified rabbit hutches!
@BobGeogeo5 ай бұрын
Out to the edges and pointed in works for practical reasons with young children - side wall mount for bookshelf size speakers above their reach and directly into house structure. Safety and lack of worry.
@jamestorres47055 ай бұрын
I’m currently having some difficulty getting the best sound from my speakers. My living room is wide and open to the kitchen. My amazing wife has been patient with me as I put pieces of tape on the floor to help me remember where to place them as I continue to look for their correct position.
@Nightjar7265 ай бұрын
Get a Mic and REW and experiment away. Only way to figure out what works and what doesn’t.
@ronaldarchibald25065 ай бұрын
I worked at a moving company once. There was a guy that would make your speakers dissapear also. Cops came in and arrested him one day.
@nirodha355 ай бұрын
There will always be recordings where the speakers will not disappear entirely
@danmarjenka63615 ай бұрын
Along with certain speakers which do not image well.
@nirodha355 ай бұрын
@@danmarjenka6361 True
@Justwantahover5 ай бұрын
I got an idea for a "coaxial" driver: Its with the same type of panel drivers on your big white speakers. I want to find panel drivers that are dipole (shoots out sound from both sides). That is, if they exist. I want two med range rectangular drivers and one small tweeter rectangular driver. The two med drivers are positioned horizontally above and below the tweeter driver (that is also in the horizontal position). Point source dipole open panel speakers plus a boxed woofer! The question is that,,,do such small panel drivers (with dipole characteristics) exist?
@AndyMillerPhotoUK5 ай бұрын
Paul you appear to have added a lot of quadratic diffusion and column style base traps. In your mixing room. Whereas you have a different solution in your main listening room. I like quadratic diffusers with at least 4” of absorbance behind.
@kketorasa5 ай бұрын
if the speakers is a part of the wall?
@garyharper29435 ай бұрын
“Herrman”
@Scottlp25 ай бұрын
1. Live music has a lot of reflected sound (unless performed outside) 2. Speakers disappearing was why I loved my departed Mirage M3s (dipoles). I recall omnidirectional speakers (ohms) disappearing and recently I've discovered wide dispersion box speakers can disappear. Great soundstage, but perhaps suboptimal imaging. Traditional box speakers is another thing.
@thinkIndependent20245 ай бұрын
Paul I just Luv ❤❤❤ U thanks for teaching all to Love this magical gift of music . It's my favorite way of utilizing Energy released @ the start of the Universe after eating & breathing
@glenncurry30415 ай бұрын
One other answer is to replace the speakers. Unfortunately some speakers just generate too much cabinet, speaker board, driver resonance,.... sounds for them to disappear. In fact I find it the exception more than the rule for especially box speakers to totally disappear.
@glenncurry30415 ай бұрын
@@clickbeetle2720 I would say it's more round cone/ dome drivers that are the problem and that they often require or work best in boxes making it worse. And I find it interesting that with all the known design errors, they keep repeating them.
@djcordes43525 ай бұрын
Mediocre speakers are not known for disappearing! Better ones yes. Entry level no! Same goes for electronics. Paul forgot that part!
@jeroenvanwesemael85565 ай бұрын
Love it, thanks again Paul!!!!
@tzed25095 ай бұрын
Link to the book!
@donr625 ай бұрын
It’s all well and good when you have a nice big deep room. How do we deal with wide but shallow rooms?
@lloyd.82725 ай бұрын
Weirdly my speakers always disappear regardless of how they are set up. I’ve pushed my speakers back against the while I was cleaning and the sound is still totally divorced from the speakers with a wide soundstage. So speaker design must play a big part.
@user-od9iz9cv1w5 ай бұрын
Agreed. I think it all matters. You need phase accurate low level information so the music and the source are important and everything else has to not screw it up.
@amitanaudiophile5 ай бұрын
Recording must have that quality/method which will produce 3D image. Then all electronic path from source to speaker must have capability to drive that energy with minimum loss.Then rational speaker placement is must have to get 97% of realism as recorded.
@NoEgg4u5 ай бұрын
Everything our host said is correct. But one more item needs noting: You must play properly mixed and mastered recordings. If you play some random song, it will likely have sub-par sound quality, and your speakers will not disappear. Paul can personally set up all of his flagship gear in a room custom built to his specifications. And if you then play an ordinary sounding song, your speakers will not disappear. All of the equipment and how it is set up is very important. But so is the song's sound quality. Alas, most music has nothing special sound quality. The tunes are great. But the studio personnel screw up the mixing and the mastering with compression and equalization.
@zenguitar655 ай бұрын
Paul, can I skip the first publication and just get "The Speaker" book and disk to get excellent sound?
@kevinchew25945 ай бұрын
Halo , Sir Paul ! If widen both speaker far away , do the vocal thickness will be lesser , soundstage will it be dynamic than the original placement ? tq
@cbayardelle5 ай бұрын
The recording has a lot to do with speakers disappearing,
@danmarjenka63615 ай бұрын
And certain speakers do not disappear well.
@ALEXrastereYes5 ай бұрын
To make speakers disappear, just should sell them.
@TheSodFather095 ай бұрын
Paul do you allow tours of your room? If so what’s the address?
@mondoenterprises67105 ай бұрын
My problem is that my speakers made my wife disappear and I don't know how to bring her back. Can you write a book about that quandary?
@Sans_Solo_5 ай бұрын
and if that doesn't work simply sell your speakers.....gone disappeared!
@mikeeygauthier29595 ай бұрын
If the source is wrong, everything else will be wrong!
@viraljasubhai77475 ай бұрын
That's true and he is super but the effective feedback and support for customers is very poor. His team's support is so slow that it's ineffective
@bilguana115 ай бұрын
My ELAC Vela 409s disappear; it was easy to do.
@davidspendlove59005 ай бұрын
You’d be hard pressed to make those behemoths disappear.
@andrefortune82785 ай бұрын
Best believe Paul walked the walk when he came into the UK... The FR20 & FR30 both disappeared with ease...
@danmarjenka63615 ай бұрын
Paul made them disappear at AXPONA 2023
@barneyrubble93095 ай бұрын
You buy a set of MBL.
@VillemVallimaa5 ай бұрын
I got to listen to a set of MBL's in a hifi show. The sounstage was not pinpoint accurate but as for 3D like, airiness of music and speakers disappearing - these were in a league of their own.
@Scottlp25 ай бұрын
@@VillemVallimaafigured. Read my note above: Omnis, dipoles and wide dispersion box speakers disappear and throw impressively wide soundstage which is different from accurate localization (imaging) which is apparently done less well in these speakers.
@NosEL345 ай бұрын
I spent some time in their room at the last Tampa show. I truly enjoyed their set up. @@VillemVallimaa
@jondonnelly48315 ай бұрын
Wear a blindfold
@Flaaaaanders5 ай бұрын
Just sell these clunkers and get set of Bose acoustimass, take the 30k difference and go to Mexico and find some busty latinas to help you spend it
@dangerzone0074 ай бұрын
How to make speakers disappear? Easy. leave them out on hard rubbish day.
@RickMahoney20135 ай бұрын
Paul is not always right even though he think he is. Use your common sense to set up you system and your ears to come to a conclusion about you set up.