How To Make "Thall" not Djent

9step👌
• Drop F Thall riffs
not #djent thisis #thall
#7stringguitar

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

If you don't think this is THALL kzbin.info/www/bejne/moXVlWCQq6ylfdk

[@2d2001]

to me, thall riffs don’t repeat as much. vildhjarta breakdowns feel so disorienting bc they write them in a stream of consciousness type of way instead of “here’s this one pattern im gonna repeat”. just overall weirder sounds, lower tunings, and less predictable structures (this is extremely niche and pointless so it’s not that important) so yeah that’s my two cents

[@gomaaren]

yup, and often when the guitar work is simple they can throw in some crazy drum stuff. in djent, what usually follows the guitar is the bassdrum, but vildhjarta often divide this "following" responsibility across bass drum, toms and snare.

[@Nullllus]

100% right

[@LucatielLucynda]

Vildhjarta sounds like a conversation without words

[@holocenenamesake5074]

Most interesting thing is Vildhjarta started off with repeating breakdowns in all their songs on the Omnislash album. All of the songs were rewritten and restructured with more random hooks and twists in every riff for the Mastaaden album.

[@pathfinder_official1526]

agreed, currently writing a song this way

[@broncoxy]

step 5 is definitely the thallification

[@-Hari-03]

yuppers

[@oblivion4150]

Step 8 is the most important for thallification... but Ig djent does that too

[@Geisterpfeifenfisch]

Very true!

[@Khaynizzle7]

That bass tone is absolutely fucking bananas

[@EE-iv5ej]

Soooo from what I can hear, Thall is like, if djent ACTUALLY sounds like Meshuggah.

[@homewardboundphotos]

legit, Meshuggah create the style but none of the bands that claim the style sound anything like meshuggah. most "djent" so called bands are just really really heavy prog. very few understand what makes meshuggah meshuggah is how its groovy while being weird and offbeat.

[@rheymarvinsalestre4075]

You forgot the most crucial aspect of thall: Make the strings sound like suspension bridge cables Fractalize did it masterfully

[@MoonDevoured]

Immersed and Instant fuuuuck me up

[@f7744dread388]

Splendid 🔥🔥

[@SSPGwemlin]

Not the biggest thall fan, but I do still have a lot of respect for the genre. Particularly because as a fan of Sludge/Doom Metal, I can personally hear a bit of influence from those genres in there, and I think it’s cool that those older influences can shine through more modern music, even if that wasn’t the intention of the artists, well, except for a band like Black Tongue, they very bluntly have doom and sludge vibes thrown in.

[@johnbrixpomoy5220]

Recently I just bought KRK rp5 and I accidently found this in KZbin, it was actually good mixing. keep it up man!

[@JohnR436]

Write that down WRITE THAT DOWN.

[@PyrStudios]

Dude that mix is just *chefs kiss*

[@francobuzzetti9424]

bass is carrying this so hard!

[@masamunetozzi]

The pitch shift 😂😂 I do love it tho

[@MikeAngelo7604]

Very good 👍🏻 love it !!

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

Thk u 😊

[@KINGJADEX]

I wanna be a thall boi when I grow up

[@user-yd4kx4lc7q]

Wow.. so good. :)

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

thk u!!!

[@GonnaGetYouBoi]

i used to be a thall boi, but now i'm just a djenty gent

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

oh

[@GonnaGetYouBoi]

@@plushdollofsheep2414 =)

[@sirdo946]

No no, you're moving the wrong way!

[@frankthecat1660]

It's all just metal.

[@Diverdjent]

Hey :D

[@ellyisonyoutube4017]

Flawless

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@erreip_]

This. Rocked.

[@JeffreydeKogel]

Damn I love this sound. Thall always hits me just right.

[@KK_suggestions]

参考になりました！

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

良かったです！

[@notgluebert]

never heard this term before and I still knew exactly what this was about to sound like lmao

[@ruslan_kvtvnv]

Sounds awesome. What is scale of this guitar and wat strings did you use?

[@TheAntarcticaProject]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@KOR3Andrea]

This is the perfect tutorial finally not one that makes it clownish.

[@csilval18]

Strong Vola vibes

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

Really? Happy!

[@immersionHEHE]

What ampsim and cab are you using? Actually btw, what drum library and bass aswell? 😂 Sounds awesome

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

ampero2,Loki Bass 2,MixWave: Luke Holland🔥

[@immersionHEHE]

@@plushdollofsheep2414 thx man!!! I'm using Loki 2, gonna have to check the other stuff out for sure!

[@blackholestudios9284]

Siiiiiick tone!!!!

[@JaviAltonaga]

tassssty!!!

[@Existomalus]

No thall was detected

[@Prof.Pwnalot]

Nice man, missing the twings and twangs though :P Much different to Vildhjarta imo. Nice title / descriptions of the technical sides for laymans like me who gauge on ears :P

[@Creatixion-lt6qo]

Maybe coincidental but the riff sounds quite similar to Freakjuice's Gangsta life ... recorded in 1999

[@Hacker-fn8vd]

Drop E is crazy ngl

[@CLFmoto87]

So make a Vildhjarta song.

[@pinkavyek]

damn ok shawty

[@Nestorglass]

Cant wait for every modern core band to have their heavy single sound exactly like this until we're all sick of it

[@Genghis_Sean_]

Feels more like standard deathcore with a seasoning of thall

[@carazy123_]

Yeah this isn’t thall but it sounds decent at least

[@thenuttednutter2669]

Godbless the Meshuggah.

[@blxcktongue]

What.

[@northtimo666]

@@blxcktonguewhat?

[@blxcktongue]

@@northtimo666 the video clearly says how to make, "thall" right, thall. Not djent. If you didn't know, thall is a word that was formed by the way the guitarist plays the riffs in the band, "Vildhjarta." Right, and this comment is praising the progressive metal band, "Meshuggah."

[@arockfloatinginspace4488]

@@blxcktongue i dont a see a possibly where thall would exist before djent

[@blxcktongue]

@@arockfloatinginspace4488 *progressive

[@pedro6682]

Need more

[@rossward7801]

heavy as fuck. nice work.

[@LegendaryVodnik]

Not mentioned: triplet feel, but you got it anyway

[@mikloszapori-regenhart6134]

Nah thats just djent but its goood

[@DarkminiStoned]

Rules number one of "thall". Get that brown notes 95% of the time and you're good. Anyway, that breakdown part is fucking amazing lol oh yea dont forget that china symbal.

[@Ryanxofficials]

How to mix like this sound

[@hastyhillfarmand4x480]

How to meshuggah for beginners

[@landhomer4627]

and Lofi guitars

[@Pietreszcz]

Yoooo what drums did you use?

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXOYYZuhjN56sMk ↑🔥

[@redfoxxx9997]

THALL!!!!! ASF!!!!

[@MarkToast99]

You know those "If ___ was djent" videos? Thall is like taking a song that's already a djent song, treating it like it isn't djenty, and saying "what if we made it djenty?" It's double djent.

[@vault3343]

kick ass

[@MZFKLoose]

Напоминаю, что бас тоже должен быть на октаву ниже, а не в унисон!

[@jameswhite7367]

すごい シャアル

[@lolminer86]

heavyyyy god damn, tone is fat af very cool.

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

thk u 🔥

[@Jalterra]

make this a song

[@MoonDevoured]

fml this is so tasty

[@proximityclockworkx1572]

Sounds like djent to me

[@Brewtalgaming]

step 1: have good tone

[@jankington216]

TIL thall is when the guitar makes a "djent" sound

[@andallicansayis]

thall

[@bobbygoestoabyss6624]

What is thall? pls explain somebody?!

[@norwardradtke1361]

He uses the line 6 pod farm “big bottom” amp sim with his own IRs. Just watched a video with buster coffee with Ola where he said it verbatim. You’re welcome

[@maxalaintwo3578]

Shoulda slided

[@ForLorNVuLgaR]

Is there really a difference between thall and djent?

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

In what sense are they distinguished?

[@ForLorNVuLgaR]

@@plushdollofsheep2414 Im still working that one out

[@slapyomomma8727]

Yes, one is thall and the other is djent.

[@donaldmacgregor2628]

listen to vildhjarta then listen to invent animate and tell me

[@ForLorNVuLgaR]

oh no trust me I know! I love me some thall like Miroist, I was just saying that the op vid showcasing thall vs djent couldve done a lil better separating the two. BTW I binge listen to without a whisper on repeat @@donaldmacgregor2628

[@mrraimundo130]

Not quite but nevertheless great tutorial!

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

For beginners!

[@JayDuuubb]

"not djent" Step 4: Djent

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

Lol

[@Ei-mx1we]

Still sounds like a Djent song to me, ngl.

[@metalux2901]

Humanity last Breath

[@FoiMal123]

Still djent

[@lucaguitarplayer]

what the hell is pitch shifting???

[@THALLDOJO]

THALL

[@blackgrizzly4987]

Most don't know what Djent actually is

[@borgabuddana]

what do you mean technically by "octave fret and bend"? nice fucking thall tho:)

[@serrisdaylor1015]

Bending the heaviest string at the 12th fret up a semitone so that when you hit the open string again afterwards, it's like doing a 1-0 but with a greater distance between notes. Tablature-wise, it looks like 12^-0--

[@RWNPOP]

I don't think you made Thall, I think Thall made you.

[@sindrerb]

Its djent, but tuned so low that you cant actually hear it.

[@xdwarheadfoxtrotx8990]

Ambiance is steps 1-5 ngl

[@silvasen1985]

the pick scratch, how???

[@notaciaagent446]

So how is this not djent?

[@plushdollofsheep2414]

I don't know lol

[@frankthecat1660]

It's the same.

[@MrOmen420]

Dropped F sounds more crisp than E, js

[@atomicpunk2360]

Do people just make up dumb sounding words to describe heavily down tuned riffs these days? 😂

[@serrisdaylor1015]

Actually yes, as far as I know, Thall is named in the same way as djent was. Djent describes the palm mute, Thall is the open note. I feel like that's probably the main difference between the two as well? Djent will be tighter, focused on staccato and palm mutes while thall is more loose, a bit more about the ambience

[@calebgarcia9864]

now put it in 2x speed and you have djent :)

[@samirgolchha]

Sorry, but it's not thall. Yeah, the only bend here sounded thall-ish but I'm just tired of people making these 'how to t h a l l' videos after hearing one and a half hlb or fractalize songs. Production and riifs are good tho.

[@Crcmvnt]

Agreed.

[@James.99]

Thall is just a bass track with no guitar

[@carterbennettmusic8948]

can't be thall if 4/4 gotta throw in some 11/8 or some bs for the trickery or the lols

[@DeusAmoeba]

Reverse bend is the thallest shit there is

[@apothecide.2]

Thall

[@sushio4357]

I am not into extreme metal or djent but I do listen to a lot of Vildhjarta, no HLB or FRACTALIZE. But if you really do wanna Thall like Vildhjarta does, this is nowhere near that 😅

[@sahinlandman4667]

You just made djent

[@edgeofsanity9111]

Yeah, maybe we should stop making metal a downtune/heaviness competition and actually get back to making a piece of art

[@Enshadowed]

look there is still tons of metal bands who aren't focusing on low tunings, I love traditional heavy metal and all the subgenres. the super low frequencies are awesome and it is still creating art. I'm glad this variety of modern metal exists!

[@cattypat6]

Sure because thall totally doesn't have plenty of fans who just enjoy the sound... don't try to reduce this to "less than a piece of art" because this is still undeniably music.

[@Enshadowed]

exactly@@cattypat6

[@weevilsnitz]

So what you're saying is Limp Bizkit is thall

[@Myqq._]

Limp Bizkit doesn't use guitars in drop E and pitch shifters, nor any harmonics.

[@mixail201211]

sounds like same shit , man them swedish ppl be creating genres out of nothing

[@RCDS777]

Jesus is coming Repent everyone in sin will burn

[@mongolloyd]

Well that was fucken 🤘