How to Mix Kontakt Drums on Separate Tracks | Set Up Kontakt Multiple Outputs in Logic Pro X

[@CradleCat]

HiHats not coming through correctly here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CQaY2Adtagi68 - Here's how you can re-route individual hits in Kontakt Thanks @Will Riley for catching this!

[@rickanderson9360]

Obviously this is 2 years later but I was just following this vid for Kontakt 6, very helpful thanks! Anyway, I was hearing hihat but getting nothing at all (not just low) on the hihat track. Turns out I was accidently on the "Funk" preset, I had meant to be on "init". When I changed to init, the hihat was loud and strong on its own channel. So it seems to be preset-specific.

[@CradleCat]

@@rickanderson9360 ah that makes sense. Yeah i haven't played around a ton with those different presets cuz I just mix them in logic now haha

[@cxmxg]

Thanks a lot! This was extremely helpful, I procrastinated learning this for years. For anyone like me who didn't have outputs showing in Kontakt, click on the third icon from the left in Kontakt's top bar. There you can select what to view; select Outputs.

[@CradleCat]

Glad it helped! And yes - super common question is on that Outputs panel not showing up. Good callout there. Hope you're making some awesome music with it!

[@xhztd]

I don't really understand about how this app work but your videos are entertaint me

[@CradleCat]

haha thanks! That makes me feel like the Bob Ross of music production 🎨 😄

[@TheRTM]

Thanks! you SOOOO much!!!

[@CradleCat]

Glad it helped!

[@jr_oantonio]

6:01 "click the exclamation to update the output dropbox". Even the article on Kontakt website didnt provide this info...thanks a lot, man. Solved all my problems here

[@CradleCat]

haha I spent way too long figuring this out to not pass this on. Glad it helped you out and thanks for checking out my channel!

[@knormalday708]

I just want to thank you for such a detailed video. I always find myself panicking and looking for this video whenever I do multi's, so I took notes this time.

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for the nice note 👍 glad you found it helpful. Not gonna lie, I look back at this video once in awhile when I need to set it up in a fresh session haha 😂 Thanks for checking out my channel!

[@bobbyrothschild4573]

Really helpful, Marcus! You broke that down clearly and communicated it well. Thank you!

[@CradleCat]

Hey glad it was helpful! Thanks for checking out the channel! Hope it helped you make some awesome music

[@marcioegomes]

Man!! The exclamation point saved my life! thank you!

[@CradleCat]

Haha yeah that's a daily savior for me, too. I actually mapped a foot pedal input specifically to it in MainStage for any of my live playing too. Thanks for checking out my channel!

[@yourinnerknowing4446]

THANK YOU

[@CradleCat]

Thank you for checking out my channel! Hope it helps!

[@MrR4J3]

Thank you. Very Helpful. Clear and concise 👍

[@CradleCat]

Hey thank you! Glad you found it helpful. I tried to make the tutorial I never found when I was figuring it out on my own

[@BossLevelAudio24]

This used to drive me nuts. I'd record all the drum parts on what I thought were separate tracks, but when it came time to mix - Everything was going through the one channel. These days I just load my Kontakt Drum sound on as many tracks as I need for drum parts. This method here is probably better but I've gotten set in my ways!

[@CradleCat]

I used to do the same thing - that works too! Only real downsides I see there are CPU usage (can also just freeze the track to alleviate that), and if you change the Kontakt settings on the drums it’s just kinda a pain to keep them all in sync haha. I finally got multi out set up and just saved it as a channel strip setting and part of my template, so it was just the upfront time (here’s the video for how to do that part kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJeuZGaFopeNm68)

[@BarronimoMusic]

Most useful video - I should've started doing this years ago.

[@CradleCat]

Glad it was helpful! Yeah it’s just easier for me to mix everything all in the same place (Logic tracks) vs clicking into Kontakt to adjust the drum mix there. 🙌

[@Mofe_Chords]

Thank you again 😂❤️

[@CradleCat]

back again?! haha glad it's been helpful 🤣

[@Mofe_Chords]

@@CradleCat 😂😂. Yes.

[@Mofe_Chords]

Thank youuuu 🫡

[@CradleCat]

🙌 You’re welcome! Glad you found it helpful! What kind of music are you working on?

[@Mofe_Chords]

@@CradleCat oh. It’s a LIVE ARRANGEMENT to one of my favorite artists songs. It’s Amapiano

[@CradleCat]

@@Mofe_Chords Sounds fun! Hope it turns out great!

[@andyhep]

This was so helpful! Thank you

[@CradleCat]

Hey glad it helped you! Thanks for checking out my channel 👍

[@Onion78]

Amazing bro.. keep up the good work!!

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking it out! I definitely will keep sharing more videos here!

[@MarcoPolux]

Thanks!

[@CradleCat]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching the video - hope it helped you out!

[@jrpriest]

Thanks Marcus. Great Job.

[@CradleCat]

Thanks! Hope it helped out on some music you're working on!

[@jonathancarey3847]

Thanks for making this... very helpful!

[@CradleCat]

You're welcome - Glad I could help! Thanks for watching! 🙌

[@twennythreeofficial5579]

Very helpful, thank you

[@CradleCat]

Glad it was helpful! 🙌

[@pajongskitchen3601]

Been looking everywhere for this video. Great explanation Thank you this helps me so much. Please make more tutorials on Kontakt Instruments

[@CradleCat]

🙌 What kind of Kontakt tutorials do you want to see? Glad I could help! Yeah this took me forever to find how to do it the first time so definitely wanted to share it haha.

[@pajongskitchen3601]

@@CradleCat Thats good that you shared, i gues i won't find how to figure it out forever haha! Anyway do some tutorial on Kontakt atmosphere library. Which we can use in songs instead of strings. Thank you

[@CradleCat]

@Brorim marak thanks for the suggestion! I'll have to dig into that library a bit and get familiar with it before making a video 👍 What kind of music do you make?

[@shannonwicklinemusic]

VERY helpful! Thank you!

[@CradleCat]

Glad you found the video! Thanks for checking out my KZbin channel 👍

[@Randem33]

So very helpful, thank you!!

[@CradleCat]

Hey glad it helped! Thanks for watching!

[@Pianodean]

That was SOOOOOO helpful man!!! Thank you so much!

[@CradleCat]

You’re welcome! It took me awhile to figure out how to do this haha so I though other people might be running into the same issue. What kind of music do you make?

[@malachy2]

Great explanatory video. What's the song? Sounds great, and the recording/mixing sounds great too.

[@CradleCat]

Thank you for watching, hope you found it helpful! The song is called “New You” 👍 here’s the link! open.spotify.com/track/1LD0IC4uma2eYampQqIFwk?si=7wkbt_V1Qp-0Vau6591DRg

[@paulrongpi7711]

Amazing

[@CradleCat]

Thank you, hopefully you find it helpful once you get your music started too!

[@jr_oantonio]

every time I return to this class I learn st new. Thanks again. One question though about generating one channel per instrument: if I dont do that, but after creating my drum track I manage to split it in multiple tracks (one per instrument...kick, snare, hihats...everything in its own track)...would it accomplish the same result?

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking out the channel! And yes BUT, by duplicating the instrument instead of using separate channels on one instrument, you end up using more cpu because you have multiple VST instances. Might not be a problem depending on your project size. Hope that helps!

[@jr_oantonio]

@@CradleCat it helps tremendously. My DAW is Presonus Studio One. There is this "Explode pitches to tracks" command that makes this process very easy (I was just reluctant bc everyone I see uses the multichannel method) Thanks again!

[@CradleCat]

@@jr_oantonio oh nice! Logic has a "Separate MIDI by Note Pitch" command that sounds pretty similar 😎

[@tommywin3359]

Just curious why it looks like Kick is a Stereo channel, I thought it was mono...

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking out the video! Yeah, the kick actually is mono, I just had a label left in there for some reason at the beginning. At 8:23 you can see I label the mono channel for kick, and then at like 9:15 I re-label that stereo channel as Toms. Hope that helps clarify! 👌

[@tommywin3359]

@@CradleCat thx

[@aepm01]

Great Thx, helped me a lot and saved me time:-)

[@CradleCat]

Hey glad it helped you out! What kind of music are your working on now?

[@aepm01]

@@CradleCat i compose rock pop songs as a hobby and a balance to my job...:-)

[@midwest_muse]

I’d there a way to print the original midi to separate split tracks like you’re doing? Instead of the “empty” tracks, have it show all the actual kick waveforms etc

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for watching! Not that I know of. You can separate the MIDI by note and put it in each track, but I'm not aware of a way to "preview" waveforms. I think You'd have to actually bounce the channels to audio in order to visually see that. Hope that helps!

[@kungfuthug101]

Great video quality, great tutorial. Concise! Would I not want to save it as a preset or template so I do not have to redo all this work each session? Also if I change kits etc will it still work?

[@CradleCat]

Thank you! Glad it was helpful. And yes, I’ve definitely saved mine as a preset. I’m not sure about the kit change part. I don’t think I’ve tried that yet. Although, do you have your own template setup in logic? I rarely actually use the preset cuz I just have it in my logic template.

[@Russelleo]

Hey great video, quick question tho, when in the kontakt window, after goin to settings, I don’t have the ‘options’ option or the tracks underneath, help?

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks! Good question - You'll want to click the panels-looking button toward the top of the Kontakt interface. This will give you other options of panes to include in your Kontakt window. Hope that helps, and thanks for checking out the channel! 🙌

[@abashantygh9694]

Hello Cradle Kat, can you please also teach how to do this in fl studio? i will be very grateful for that

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking out the video! Unfortunately, I don't have FL Studio - sorry! I would check the instrument input patch for the "Stereo" or "Multiple Output" settings like I described here. Hopefully there's a similar setting?

[@ImaplanetJupiteeeerr]

Now just need to know how to do this with Orchestral tools Metropolis drums and Bitwig as the DAW, so almost the answer but everything is different. :D

[@CradleCat]

Wish I could help you there haha! But hopefully there are some similarities in the setup. Good luck!

[@ImaplanetJupiteeeerr]

@@CradleCat Hahha yeah, need to ask my teacher, didn't find any tutorials online for my situation. But thanks for this video though! :D

[@peterposafalvi6805]

Hi Cradle Cat, Can you do this process if Kontakt is embedded into Komplete Kontrol?

[@CradleCat]

that is a great question, I'm not sure. I don't have a Kontrol keyboard to test it out. Let us know if you figure it out!

[@TheRTM]

Native Instraments really needs to update and re-engineer the routing system🤨... It shouldn't be such a cumbersome pain in the ass to rout drums and other instraments out to your host DAW

[@CradleCat]

but on the bright side this video keeps getting views lol 😂 but yeah it’s be sweet if it already had some of this pre routed. Maybe I’ll post a video with a pre-made Logic Template for download!

[@ParthDhupkar]

hey man it's an amazing video thanks for helping us. i don't know why but after assigning and routing everything as you did my kick and everything is not coming through the main output channel that's why it is loosing some it's punch. can you help me with that?

[@ParthDhupkar]

and yes tom 1 is coming through that main channel

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking out my channel! I'm not sure I completely follow what you're running into. Do you mean the kick is routed to an individual channel track in Logic, but it's not coming out the main stereo out in Logic?

[@stevenfero7213]

How do you export stems as pure audio files of each separate track here?

[@CradleCat]

Here's another video of mine where I walk through that - I hope it helps! kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5e5iqdonJyAbq8 And thanks for checking out my channel!

[@claudiacompany8414]

Great vid! But when I try to link each channel to their output I can't find the channel on the right (in kit mics) that says 'OH M' , I only seem to have OH SR and ROOM. Anybody can help me pls???

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking out the video! 👍 Which Kontakt drummer are you using? (I'm wondering if it was a different kit) I'm using the "Session Kit - Full" in this video.

[@claudiacompany8414]

@@CradleCat I'm using the Abbey Road 70's drummer . Do you know how can I make it work on this one? Thank you!

[@claudiacompany8414]

oh man nevermind, I just found it, it's a different layout but same thing!! Thank you for your time!

[@CradleCat]

awesome! Glad you were able to get it setup!

[@joshgoldbergmusic]

I"m not seeing any "outputs" button on the bottom of my kontact player!! help!! :(

[@CradleCat]

Hey there! So here's what you'll need to do (I'll try to explain the icon you need to click): 1) Just to the right of the gear icon in Kontakt window, you should see a window-pane looking icon 2) Click that window/pane icon 3) Make sure "Outputs" is checked"

[@joshgoldbergmusic]

@@CradleCat awesome thank you!!

[@tonyzavitson2026]

Selecting "Settings" under Mixer in Kontakt doesn't show the same window as yours?

[@CradleCat]

Hey! You may need to try enabling the panel (should be across the top toolbar within the Kontakt window). Does that help?

[@barronimomusic6404]

Can you bounce these so each track becomes a separate audio file? (Make stems, essentially)

[@CradleCat]

Yes - when exporting you can chose to export individual channels, or, when you right click to create Tracks for channels, that will let you export them as audio stems from the tracks.

[@skk6811]

saved my ass from hours of frustrations! Thankx!

[@CradleCat]

Haha 😂 good. It took me so long googling to figure this out initially. Glad it helped save you some time 👍

[@cathyjones4702]

At 3:29 I don't see the "outputs" section in gray at the lower right-hand corner. How do I even get that?

[@CradleCat]

Hey! You might need to make that visible. There's a little panel icon across the gray toolbar (2nd from the right icon, just to the left of the CPU usage stats). Click that, and make sure "Outputs" is checked. Let me know if that works for you!

[@robynpayne3945]

Hey thanks for this amazing and informative video. I'm trying to get separate outs on my version of Kontakt ( I think it's Kontakt 6) but I can't get any further cause I can't find the + button on my version. Can you tell me where it is please?

[@CradleCat]

Hey there, thanks for watching! Do you mean you can find the + button on the tracks in Logic? If so, make sure you're setting up your initial track as multi-out (see 01:58 in the video here). Also, bring up your mixer panel (hotkey "x") to see your tracks and channel strips across the bottom instead of just in timeline view. Hope that helps!

[@robynpayne3945]

@@CradleCat Hey thanks so much for your reply. I'm ok about the + in Logic and have been using multiple outs like this for years. It's the + on my version of Kontakt where it doesn't show up. It's at 3:54 on your video where you show how to set the outputs within Kontakt. Thanks again. Robyn

[@CradleCat]

Does the Output pane show up at all? You could try clicking on the window/panes icon on the top toolbar in Kontakt (the third one, just to the right of the gear icon). There, make sure that "Outputs" is checked. If you don't have those options - do you have the full, paid version of Kontakt, or the free "Kontakt Player"?

[@robynpayne3945]

@@CradleCat Thanks CC. i have the fully paid version. I'll check if I can get the output pane to show up. I'm sure that's where I'll find it. Cheers

[@CradleCat]

@@robynpayne3945 Good luck! Hopefully that works!

[@milenadeltorto7158]

thanks. nice songs. I use cubase and can't get the pads' audio to come into the tracks. The process is different. By 'activating' the outputs within Cubase the tracks are created; the tracks (called automation lanes) are automatically capturing the naming I gave in Kontakt. Anyway I was hoping that by watching, something would jump out at me to explain what I'm failing to do. I'm wondering if the notion of what you said out needing the stereo track to accommodate output from your keyboard is what I need to rethink. Thanks though.

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks! And hopefully something is helpful - yeah, maybe even the initial track setup there’s something similar in cubase? (where I set it as a multi output instrument track 8x mono 8x stereo in Logic). Let us know if you figure it out! 🙌

[@milenadeltorto7158]

@@CradleCat I got it! Finally I just decided to switch up the order before activating in cubase. Tnx for your reply.

[@CradleCat]

Nice!!! Glad you figured it out!! 🙌🙌🤘

[@bbrrwwnn]

Does this translate to using Komplete Kontrol in Logic? This output options appear to be limited.

[@CradleCat]

Oooh, I'm not sure on that one. I've setup something similar with Maschine before, but am not familiar enough with Kontrol and don't currently have it. Let me know if you find out though!

[@nealpolitan_6th]

So I did all of the routing correctly and im getting sound but im not getting the levels showing up in the "main" track anymore, only the individual tracks now. Is there a solution for this or does that not matter?

[@CradleCat]

That's actually expected! Since you've routed all individual sounds to go to specific aux channels, nothing is left to go through the main channel. So, that just means you did it correctly 👍

[@Downtherabbitholeband]

Hi, I have an issue with the midi only coming out of the main in Kontakt, when I add the mono outputs and go to select the sound card/ host output channel I don't have the aux4 in the list and I think this is my issue, do you have any ideas? great video by the way and I'm sure once I get through this issue it will be invaluable

[@fiftyghoststrading8500]

same here

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking out the channel and the question! I don't think I'm completely following your question though. What do you mean when you're going "to select the sound card / host output channel"? Is this in the Kontakt mixer or Logic that you're describing?

[@Downtherabbitholeband]

@@CradleCat Hi, the issue is with kontakt, I followed everything you said but I tried to get clever and save it somehow, I can’t remember exactly what I did but it was in the box above the mixer where the ports are situated. Now when I try to add the outputs at the bottom 3:57 of your video the drip down list doesn’t contain anything like yours did, is there some way of resetting to default? I tried on another drum kit and that was fine so it’s definitely something I have done in kontakt, do you have any ideas?

[@CradleCat]

@@Downtherabbitholeband Ah ok, I'm not sure exactly how it might've gotten there either haha. I would probably try: 1) double checking that the Kontakt instance is setup on a multi-output track, 8x stereo, 8x mono (1:59 in video), 2) in the "Presets/Batch Configuration" dropdown, there should be some sort of reset options there to try. Worst case, just creating a new track and Kontakt instance and copying MIDI notes and settings over there 🤞Hope that helps!

[@Downtherabbitholeband]

@@CradleCat Ive tried to reset but it doesn't give me the option for st1, when I click on the outputs it is set to mo.16, then in the drop down list it starts mo.16 then st2(1) not st1(1)?

[@OneEyedJackNLD]

Thanks so much! I've been wanting to connect my V-drums to Logic for ages. Two other video taught me how to make a mapped instrument. After this tutorial I can connect my drums and play Native Instrument Kits, Battery 4 and Logic's drum designer AND mix the sound individually. Can't thanks you enough! !! Subscribed .-) Oh BTW: Is there any way to add more channels in Kontakt? I'd love to be able to process each cymbal individually .-D

[@CradleCat]

Thanks for the kind comment! Glad I was able to help you with your setup! And I know you already commented on the other video haha, but just in case anyone else sees your comment here and has your same question on individual cymbal routing in Kontakt - here's the video link that explains it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CQaY2Adtagi68

[@FredGomesmusico]

Hi friend! Amazing tutorial!! I've done everything like you, and almost everything is ok except for the HiHat, that I don understand why its not playing in the logic channel strip, only in OH St, OH MN and ROOM ST. You know what I did wrong?

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks so much! Glad you found it helpful. And I believe you'll want to watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CQaY2Adtagi68. If it's similar to the way my was initially setup, the direct HH mic is not very loud from the Kontakt mixer settings (most HH sound is coming through the channels you mentioned), so you'll need to adjust it deeper within Kontakt.

[@FredGomesmusico]

@@CradleCat it's true, and I also found that the pan was totally left, when I put it on the center the hihat came 🙌🏽

[@CradleCat]

haha yeah, idk why it's panned so far left by default. I guess that was the trend for mixing when they made it 🤷

[@fiftyghoststrading8500]

Thank you for the video! Question - If I have preexisting midi tracks for kick, snare, hihat, etc - do those 'notes' get moved onto the new tracks, or should I "reassign track" to the appropriate track? Should the midi channel on the 'note tracks be changed to match those on the kontakt tracks?

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for watching and checking out my channel! I'm not sure I completely follow your question. Are you saying you have existing tracks of a separate Kontakt instance? Not sure if it helps - but you should be able to have your MIDI input notes on either the main Kontakt track (like I have in the video here), or you can separate those notes out to the individual channel tracks if you prefer to have them separated out that way.

[@micahyoungmusic4006]

Hi - at around 8:45 you're talking about creating and labeling the tracks, KICK, SNARE, in the LOGIC timeline - I cannot seem to connect the KONTAKT output, I'm following where KONTACT 17, KICK, etc. but when I make the track in LOGIC, there is no sounds - please help, thanks!

[@CradleCat]

Hi there - did you already change the Kontakt mixer channel outputs to the right multi output channels (05:56)? 8:45 i'm just talking about labeling and creating the track in timeline view - there's no routing be done at that point

[@kbvaiphei2870]

What is the sound diffent between multiple out and not ?

[@CradleCat]

Good question - it depends on how you mix/process it. Not using multi out lets you control/mix individual sounds within Kontakt itself, and then process the entire drums in a single Logic Pro track if you want to do anything else. Using multi out setup allows you to use Logic's mixing tools/plugins on each individual channel track (instead of just getting the entire drum sound in one track like in the non-multi-out setup). Neither is inherently better or worse - I just prefer to do all my mixing of individual drum sounds in Logic Pro instead of within Kontakt. Hope that helps!

[@kbvaiphei2870]

@@CradleCat Thank you.sir.

[@el-bov8034]

Great tutorial! I know it’s probably too late for an answer, but I was wondering if after all this setting-up it is possible to dump all the tracks into a stack (Folder/Summing) for better organisation and clarity. Thanks :)

[@CradleCat]

Yes absolutely! I have all my drum and percussion tracks going into their own drum bus for organization and bus processing. It’s actually even more important than just organization, because I do bus processing on all those tracks (for example, compression to better glue them together). Also helpful because Kontakt has some master bus processing in the normal stereo (non multi out) setup, which we’re bypassing here using the multi outs. Bus processing let’s you get some of that snappiness back. you could even just re-create their processing as plugins in logic on that bus to get a similar feel.

[@el-bov8034]

@@CradleCat Thanks for the prompt and thorough reply. Ultimately, I'm not looking to re-invent the wheel regarding mixing. To that extent I'd like to keep it pretty simple. Moreover, it would be great to be able to set these up in a manner that could be imported into any project once they'd been set up. Bus mixing is definitely important. But in terms of organisation and your workflow, which of the stacj options works better. Thanks again :)

[@CradleCat]

I personally use Track Stacks almost exclusively, because I almost always want to do some sort of processing on the group of tracks as part of the mixing process. It allows me to make smaller mix changes throughout each layer before it hits the master bus. Organization-wise they're pretty much the same.

[@el-bov8034]

@@CradleCat Many thanks for the extra details. Going to wait for a free moment or two, to work throught these two videos and get much more acquainted. It’s something I've wanted to do for a while, but this was the clearest explanation. Thanks again 😀

[@rickanderson9360]

Not too late, I just followed this vid yesterday to set up Studio Drummer in LPX :) First thing I did after getting separate tracks, select them all and create a summing stack :) Works great.

[@user-kb8vg3sm7g]

Thank you for this tutorial! I have another problem. Is there a way to get a higher volume level despite the studio drummer initialized. Cuz when I render it in logic, the volume levels are absolutely low when there aren’t any effects. :( I hope you see this comment! Thanks!

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for the comment! Yeah, I made another video that goes into more depth on routing hits and changing levels. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CQaY2Adtagi68 Hope this one helps!

[@scottrap]

Somehow when I clicked “delete existing channels“ it did away with all of my surround sound options. Not that I’ll be using those anytime soon but how would I get them back? Also is there a way just to go to the default settings if need be so I could start over? Thanks!

[@CradleCat]

Whoops! You should just be able to click the batch > reset option in Studio Drummer channels to reset things. Or go back and delete and add back the Mono/Stereo output channels like I did in the video here and it should reset it, too. Hope that helps!

[@JonBurr]

NI kits can be all mono - all the samples in the kits are mono. Makes routing and numbering simpler in both Kontakt and Logic... There's also a whole array of Bus effects inserts for each Group, on top of the Group effects in Kontakt, so a lot of mix magic is possible there before it gets out to Logic. Logic accepts up to 50x mono. For me, 16 is usually enough...I save the output configs as presets in Kontakt: 16m, 32m, 16s/8m, 16s

[@CradleCat]

Hi Jon thanks for checking out the video! 🙌 Yeah, if you use Kontakt for mixing, there are definitely some other options there - I just prefer to do all the mixing in Logic itself and use this setup to bypass the busses and mixing in Kontakt. Like you said, most of the Kontakt outs I setup as mono - however, I do route the overhead stereo and room stereo outputs from Kontakt as stereo into Logic. Battery is a different beast - cuz a lot of those sample (even kicks and snares) are stereo to begin with.

[@angelolovato6739]

Hey thanks for the vid! I still cant control pan in logic once I set it up... Kontakt makes this shit so difficult. :/

[@CradleCat]

You're welcome! Thanks for checking out my channel! And what's the panning issue? with this setup you should be able to pan as normal in the logic track.

[@angelolovato6739]

@@CradleCat I got it figure out thank you. I was so grumpy that day lol.

[@CradleCat]

👌 lol tech issues make everyone grumpy

[@angelolovato6739]

@@CradleCat true that lol. By the way, what is your go to interface? I have the 2i2 Scarlet second generation, but thinking of upgrading.

[@CradleCat]

@@angelolovato6739 I just use a presonus audiobox itwo currently. I'll definitely make a video if I upgrade to show if there's a difference, but so far I haven't needed to since I mostly track things one at a time. what are you looking to upgrade to?

[@Theusone1]

i would like to ask why use stereo channels? technically each input is a mono microphone, which then should be manually panned in the mixing process, i ask because im having some issues tracking all mono channels into logic.

[@CradleCat]

Good question, thanks for watching! So, some stereo channels aggregate multiple mono mics (like Toms being mic for tom 1, mic for tom 2, etc panned differently), and then the other stereo channel are actually stereo mic setups (like room stereo is typically a dual mic setup to capture stereo image). Hope that helps!

[@noahcho542]

Hello, great vid! I figured out how to multi out the kick in and out separately as well as the snare but for some reason the room mics sound much dryer than before. Do you know why this is?

[@CradleCat]

Hey thank you! Whenever you route individual mics to a Logic channel, you're likely bypassing some of the bus and master bus effects within Kontakt Studio Drummer. So, you'll get the raw mic audio instead of the audio all beefed up by Studio Drummer. Hopefully that helps! That's why I usu do my own EQ, compression, verb, etc on the track or drum bus within Logic.

[@noahcho542]

@@CradleCat Hey thank you for the feedback. I am still a bit confused cus when I multi out the way in this video and bypass all of Kontakt's effects, the room mics still sounds much bigger and roomier then when I route the tracks individually (separating snare in/out etc). Just wondering if know a fix to this or know why this is. Thank you.

[@TheRTM]

I'm in Komplete Kontrol after creating of the channels (Stereo and Mono) and then I go to the mixer I'm not seeing the "output" section so that I can rout my drums?? .........Has NI moved it to another location?

[@CradleCat]

Do you mean you're in Kontakt? (Kontrol is the keyboard hardware). In Kontakt, I believe you need to go to the Show Panes option, and make sure Output is selected 🙌 Sometimes that's not checked so it doesn't show

[@AC-pu2eh]

Do you set all the pans in kontakt to center and then use the pans in logic? my hi hat wasn't coming through the logic track until I noticed it was panned hard left.

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for watching! Yes, I do, then I just do my panning in Logic. Also - I made another video where I go into a bit more depth on routing that you might find helpful - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CQaY2Adtagi68

[@michaellong25467]

Thanks so much! Do you possibly know a method where you could have the midi on each separate track? I basically at some point would like to bounce each thing separately to audio (kick,snare,etc)

[@CradleCat]

You're welcome! With the method in this video - you can actually already bounce those tracks as separate audio 👍 I do that all the time. Even though all the MIDI is on one Kontakt drum channel, and the actual audio (the audio that would be bounced) is being output to those separate tracks we set up as multi-outs.

[@michaellong25467]

Wow. Thank you so much I’ve recently got Kontakt And I was having such a hard time understanding how to do it, I searched high and low and your video was the one that helped me thank you so much!

[@CradleCat]

Glad to help! Yeah it took me forever to initially figure out how to set that up haha

[@bbrrwwnn]

Very helpful until 4:55. My Kontakt 6 is only showing four st. outputs and six surr 5.1 outputs. No aux outputs. Surround is disabled in Logic advanced preferences, so this is a Kontakt setting issue? I did create 8 Stereo/8 Mono instance.

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for checking out my channel and video! Hmm, let's see if I can help - After creating the instance with 8 st / 8 mo - did you configure the outputs at 3:50 in Kontakt? You'll need to do that before it shows up properly later at 4:55.

[@bbrrwwnn]

@@CradleCat Just saw this reply and yes, thank you. I missed that detail.

[@colebingham5822]

Hey Marcus, do you have any tips on how can I could save these settings/drumset for future use? When I try to save these settings as a Logic instrument patch or within the NI instrument and mixer window it does not save it as something I can easily pull up as we just created.

[@CradleCat]

Hey there! Yeah I'll make a video on that this week - it's a bit long to type out some of the options haha. One way is to set this up in a project, and save the project as a Project Template.

[@colebingham5822]

Amazing! Thank you so much for doing that. Really appreciate it 🙏🏼

[@CradleCat]

Just posted the how-to video on this! 2 different ways I've been using to do it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJeuZGaFopeNm68

[@colebingham5822]

@@CradleCat Sweet! Thank you!

[@MrJsfingers]

Did anyone have an issue with all the tracks going to the original ins track initially created? If I solo track 1, all instruments can be heard. My other tracks such as the HH, snare etc all went to their assigned (if I solo the snare, I only hear the snare) but the first track which is my kick, every drum part went into that track. Am I making an error in Logic Pro or Kontakt?

[@CradleCat]

Is it a clear sound coming through with the MAIN solo’d? If it’s what I’ve run into, that channel from Kontakt has other non-direct mics or reverb from within Kontakt routed to it. You can check what mics or busses in Kontakt route to it in the same spot where you’re changing direct mic routing in this video. Hope that helps!! And thanks for checking out my channel 🙏

[@lukebutler5548]

Can anybody tell my why, when I come to create the 8 Mono tracks and assign them to Aux1 (17) from the dropdown menu within Studio Drummer that the Aux Tracks are not showing as available to select? In the dropdown after clicking the + sign and trying to add 8 instances of 1 track (8 Mono) I'm only given st 1 and 2, then a bunch of surround tracks as options... any help would be most appreciated.

[@CradleCat]

Yeah, it sounds like the Kontakt insert may be setup for Surround instead of Multi Out. Check out the video at 1:47 to see where you'll need to select Multi Out 👍 Let me know if that helps!

[@ordalium2]

Can you take a clean template with all connections for Studio Drummer? I'm really stupid dude))

[@CradleCat]

Do you mean you're looking for a Logic Template with it already setup?

[@willriley2851]

This was really helpful thank you! Do you know why I'm not getting anything through on the HIHat channel? The hat comes through on the OH's but nothing on the hihat channel itself.

[@CradleCat]

Hey glad it’s helpful! It could be that kit has its HiHats routed to the Kontakt OH bus by default. You can change that in the Group editor of the Kontakt instrument by reassigning the “DirHH” mic output to your new Logic channel/track. I’ll actually prbly do a another video on that since that’s a good question.

[@willriley2851]

Yes that’s worked. Thanks again!

[@CradleCat]

I did end up making a video on that more advanced routing setup for individual drum hits. Hope this helps! kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CQaY2Adtagi68

[@roleyruffles7913]

Hey dude, thanks for this. I have a question: after setting this up through your instructions, I compared it to the standard 'Stereo' Kontakt instrument I originally had for Studio Drummer (with all my MIDI data on), but the new '8 x mono, 8 x stereo' setup is significantly quieter. Is this correct, or have I done something wrong? One thing that is confusing me is how you seem to have a 'Master' or 'MAIN' output - am I missing this perhaps? EDIT: It also sounds a lot different asides the volume, the hits don't sound as...nice?

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks for watching! And yes, I've noticed that, too. I haven't dug into test, but my guess is that it's because of the processing that would normally be done on the Master bus within Kontakt Studio Drummer (compression, tape saturation, EQ). I do my own processing on a drum bus in Logic to give it more punch, and I also process the individual drum tracks from the multi-outs further in Logic (parallel compression on kicks and snares, high pass and high end boost on hi hat and overheads,). Hope that helps!

[@roleyruffles7913]

@@CradleCat cheers for the quick response, and yes, very helpful because I now know it's not just me, aha! Do you think the master bus processing happens by default, or is there any way I can get in and tweak this; or even just have a stereo channel for the master bus? It certainly seems like the tracks, when seperated like this, are missing some additional processing!

[@CradleCat]

​@@roleyruffles7913 Yes, if you click on the "bus" section instead of "close mics" in the Studio Drummer mixer view, then click on "Master" but - you'll see the processing chain within Kontakt along the bottom of the Studio Drummer mixer view. It's more of a preference of where you want to do you processing/mixing - within Logic or within Studio Drummer mixer. However - Since the close mics are now routed around the Studio Drummer master bus in my video - the Master bus processing in Kontakt won't have those (kick, snare, etc.) so it won't be super helpful. I just prefer to do all my processing in Logic because I'm more familiar with it and I like to use the same room reverb as the rest of my tracks.

[@roleyruffles7913]

@@CradleCat amazing, thanks for all your help, man! Be great if you could have a channel for the master bus, but I guess it ain't all that necessary

[@AmazingKenDottie]

Nice video and very well explained. Is there a way to keep each track as MIDI instead of Audio?

[@CradleCat]

Hey thanks! What's the reason for trying to keep each track's MIDI separate? Before figuring this out, I would duplicate my Kontakt track and separate out the MIDI for each (kick midi on one track, snare on another, etc.) - however, that's more cpu intensive since it runs multiple instance of Kontakt instead of just one (like in this method). So that's one way to do it - I haven't looked into a more elegant way though haha.

[@CradleCat]

Ah nevermind I just remembered there's a way better route for separating and still using multi-out haha. In Kontakt - toward the top of you instrument - where is says "MIDI Ch" - just select "Omni". That will look at all channels for MIDI instead of just Channel A or whatever the default is.

[@robynpayne3945]

Hey Cradle Cat sorry to be a bother but just wondering if you could please read my reply to your kind reply. I think you misunderstood my question so I've made it clearer. Regards, Robyn

[@CradleCat]

Just replied 👍

[@lbat5276]

Good video. But they really ought to make it less of a pain in the arse.

[@CradleCat]

😂 it is pretty technical. Makes sense why it’s that way, but yeah, the Native Logic drums have a way more streamlined setup. Basically this, but automatically

[@RandomationsYt]

oh my god i hate kontakts User Interface

[@CradleCat]

😂 I wonder if it's a limitation with Logic or with all DAWS. The built-in DMD and Drummers in Logic have a huge advantage (at least for mixing setup) in Logic cuz you instantly get all the separate tracks. At least with this you can save it in a Template and be done with it.