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[@edlearned460]

A common flaw I hear in many streaming mixes is distortion on the Pastor's mic when they get LOUD. Its important 2 understand the gain relationship between transmitter and receiver. If transmitter mic gain is NOT properly adjusted to the volume characteristics of your Pastor you WILL have distortion. And all the engineering expertise and console processing in the world will NOT fix it as the problem is at the MIC. Spend the time to properly adjust transmitter gain for clean speech/vocals.

[@LemonMeIon]

Another problem I’ve seen is turning up master gain in the front of house can overload the gain going to the feed and cause clipping so it’s worth using a limiter

[@mgdf44]

Hey, i have no idea about the gain on receiver gain of a wireless mic. A friend said that should be at the middle or 12o'clock and be adjusted at the gain on the console. Another said that the receiver gain should be adjusted so that you get decent levels on the console without adjusting gain of the console. What should be the best audio flow?

[@jonnunes_]

Hey Jake... at my church we tried to live mix a full band in a DAW but we had a lot of problems with processing and with the encoder. Could you make a video bringing some solutions for that?

[@joshuaphillips4824]

same // cpu overload issues and my cpu specs are very solid

[@OffGridandOutdoors]

@Joshua Phillips. It takes a lot of processor. We had to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 3600x

[@memecode]

@@joshuaphillips4824 The video encoding is way more CPU intensive than the audio side. We've been using OBS and a separate machine for the audio mix.

[@jamesjangs]

Hey Jonatas, how do you route/connect the live stream mix on a DAW (macbook pro) to the computer running the video side (OBS, HMDI encoder etc etc)? Thanks

[@YARDMANMX]

first you have to get a powerful computer that can handle all the plugins also try to use the stock plugin in the its less cpu Also if you have a board that has enough extra unused channels you could route input to those channel create a mix route the output to separate output

[@111jtg111]

So ur church is recorded, edited and posted online? How does this help for live online church service ?

[@TrevorAnderson314]

Using protools you can set the same processing chain and mix it down live. His preference to multi-track record and mix later doesn't deter from the message. The specific example he gave Bethel, use protools to mix a live stream.

[@WorshipschristCBC]

Jake, how are you outputting the audio into your livestream? Do you run your broadcast from the same computer you run the DAW on? Or do you send audio out of that computer (headphone jack) to a different computer to run the stream?

[@reynaldosilao2017]

Same question here.

[@CrownStudentG]

He pre-records and produces a polished video. Not a true live stream. However, as he said, you can stream it to the video switcher in a live environment.

[@juancolindres4988]

I use soundflower.... I use ableton to mix and process my audio then i use OBS to stream to FB Live. "Soundflower" creates a audio device on your MAC so it can communicate with other programs And OBS just use as a audio input capture. If You have a pc you can also try 'VB-Cable". www.vb-audio.com/Cable/

[@ABS_AD77]

​@@CrownStudentG How to deal with the Audio latency from DAW when mixed with video ? how to get the perfect sync with Audio latency at the switcher ?

[@johnmasih9775]

@@juancolindres4988 can you give me the link for downloading soundflower

[@maycolquetzecua]

Bro, you’re coming in clutch, during these times, I’ve been a subscriber for a while Thanks!

[@timdavis9698]

I think your video here has very good merit however I must post these points: 1) I don't see how this helps those trying to do everything in real time with a live worship team. My advice for those is KIS - Keep It Simple!! Some of the best live worship sets I've been blessed to witness have been simple acoustic ones and played from the heart. Understand we can't all be Bethel and play within your abilities and put WORSHIP over SHOW and trust me, God will do the rest. Personally I do not like bands who play to tracks, be it worship teams or secular bands. To me it just seems fake but that is just my opinion only. You don't need a big production to draw the Holy Spirit into your worship. 2) If you are trying to send a "house feed" to your online broadcast, it will be less than ideal, in fact like stated here... you won't like it at all. My advice is to use a separate monitor mix and put the person in charge on a set of headphones - NOT the same person who is mixing the live perfromance in the venue. If you can split it out with a tablet connected mixer, or even better for those with cash to burn - a separate mixer in a production room. You need to get the online mix person out of the direct sound of the main room so what they hear is actually what is being broadcast. This is why most of the time the drums in a live mix broadcast are nearly non-existent. They are so loud in the room, the mics may not be required for the house sound, but they sure are needed for a broadcast mix. 2) In years of touring as both a monitor and front of house engineer, I have always put the compressor before the EQ on the individual channels. Compression, as you all heard in this video will "color" the sound from the original source and when you change the EQ and then compress that signal, you might not be getting the EQ result you are looking for as the compressor may knock down frequencies you are trying to highlight. On most mixers with individual channel compression you will see it is "above the EQ" in the flow to the output level faders. In my live sound applications I have always used a final mix compressor as well much like fine sandpaper on finished wood to polish my final mix. 3) Invest your money in a quality streaming service and have a server that can handle your expected online audience. Nothing will turn off new viewers more than a stream that glitches, drops out or freezes due to an excessive number of viewers online. Many churches have spent their money on high end mixers and left themselves short changed on the most important part - the broadcast end of the chain. 4) When recording for a mixdown and posting to an online service at a later date, ensure your input levels AS YOU RECORD are at the levels recommended in the video. If you have to increase them in post production, you are also increasing the noise levels as well. It's a thing we call "unity gain", keep those levels consistent throughout the mix to final L/R output. 5) Live mixing you get "one take" that's it. So make your rehearsals count, don't just ya ya through it on the support staff side while the band is rehearsing. Get your levels in the ballpark and SAVE THEM. If you don't have a digital mixer, get a blank sheet of paper and chart where all the knobs are pointing. 6) Live real time sound - Worship Team: Practice how you plan to play and then play it the way you practiced! Give your sound support team a fighting chance. I know it's hard to find the energy you get when the lights go down and the energy comes up for worship, but if you don't give the sound crew the same levels in rehearsals as you give them during live worship, they will be scrambling to reset input levels to get rid of all those blinking red peak lights. This has always been my largest issue when mixing worship teams live in real time.. Tim Davis Retired Touring Audio Engineer 12 yrs of live worship mixing as well (now also retired) [e-mail]

[@FreeBroccoli]

Good words. For what it's worth, what you suggested in 2a. is exactly what was suggested in the video. The guy mixing for Bethel at 27:30 is not the FOH engineer, but a separate steam mixer.

[@timdavis9698]

@@FreeBroccoli Yes you are correct .... I was trying to impress to smaller venues that cannot afford to "split the mix" with a separate console or a production studio to at least get a different person in the booth on sound cancelling headphones who will be adjusting the monitor mix going to the live broadcast. Someone needs to hear what is actually being sent out without being distracted with other tasks. One thing I did not mention is to make sure that mix is set up PRE FADER so when the FOH person makes adjustments, he/she is not changing the mix going to the broadcast. A "small" adjustment in the house mix is often a huge change when going to a recorder or out onto the internet live, especially when dealing with reverb/delay effects. This is why both you and I never suggest just sending out a parallel L/R mix from the house console to the broadcast stream interface. I have found that is the most common "no-no" with most smaller house of worships' live broadcast audio quality. All of my experience has been of course "pre - Covid-19 era" where everything is live, nothing other than announcement video's are pre-taped, and the production team gets one and only one chance to get it right. ;)

[@rheycabuloy2012]

Thanks! These points are exactly what I needed. We are a live band streaming on facebook live, real time. I like how you stress the need to do things simple. Our set up uses a Behringer X32 and sends two mix buses (for stereo) to our streaming computer. All channels set pre-faders, as we all agree. Only thing is from two XLR Outs, I've converted them into a Stereo 3.5mm jack on the other end so I can plug in to Desktop PC input. Is this set up ok or should I still use an Audio USB interface? Would I get any difference in sound? Would it prevent clipping as I normally get? Also your item #3 states that we should get a streaming service that can handle our expected online audience. Does it really affect our streaming if we get more viewers and would slow it down? Thank you, this has been many questions but they're all honest ones.

[@timdavis9698]

@@rheycabuloy2012 Tim Davis 2:32 PM (2 minutes ago) to KZbin I would just get a stereo compressor to put between the mixer output and the computer input. DBX has a stereo noise gate/compressor with both XLR and tip/ring/sleeve input/outputs. This will allow you to use the XLR inputs and unbalanced 1/4" outputs. Just keep the unbalanced line run as short as possible. You can run the XLR cables long distances without much signal loss or degradation If you are using a patch cord to convert from XLR out to line in on your computer, you probably have an impedance mismatch which would be corrected with the added compressor between the mixer and the computer. Adding that new unit will also give you some flexibility in your output gain structure allowing you to set the output volumes on the compressor to a level that will not overdrive your computer input. Make sure your computer input jack level is set to line in and NOT mic in. That is a simple thing you should see in Windows 10 when you plug into the 1/8 multi-function jack found on most computers today. Check out Sweetwater.com for all kinds of pro audio gear. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/266XS--dbx-266xs

[@aaron7112]

Hi, I would like to ask your opinion if you don't mind answering it. I'm facing an issue where the sound in the live streaming sounds a bit muffled. I am not getting the clear and full sound. Can you suggest ways to improve this problem. Thanks so much.

[@colbyjack7074]

I've worked in broadcasting and audio production for (many) years, and am the sound person at church. This video does a GREAT job of explaining the concepts, and how they work. GREAT JOB!

[@mahall85]

Some interesting points at the end, there, about gear and how to accomplish this... and the trump card of “this is how Bethel does it” kinda can’t be beat, LOL, but I’d add a few caveats: 1. You do not need to “spend $50,000” on a second mixing console. That may have been hyperbole, of course, but you can get a Behringer X32 or WING for $2500-$3500... still a lot, of course, but not nearly as much as king-of-the-hill MIDAS. 2. I would imagine that most sound techs would still want a control surface of some sort to mix on, if they are actively mixing for live streaming. Yes, even spending $3500 for a glorified control surface may be overkill, some may want options to accomplish this. At the least, devices like the X-Touch or Faderport could be quite useful, and are far less expensive than even the two Behringer boards I mentioned. Just some food for thought. You generally give great advice here, Jake, and I don’t dispute that. :)

[@pearjam21]

I love how people say, don’t spend money! Okay so we’re going to run into our $5000 Midas board then to our $3000 Mac with a $1000 worth of software.

[@braxtonshutt2980]

Jamey Pearson alot of churches can afford a x32 console. Very inexpensive in terms of digital board. A used late model mac for around $500 and GarageBand which is free with built in plugins. This is a great start and can be built upon.

[@theallenboy]

There are many affordable alternatives. If you want to get it done you can get it done.

[@kristianflores2320]

There are other ways. This link for example is what I did for our church. I did the mixing and all instrumentalist and singers are not together and just using phones as their mic. I’m using one channel audio interface and free software. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXrOfaekqqiAars

[@95ANDREWDAVID]

I never knew about mixing and mastering in a DAW. I was just used to a FOH mixing. Being a musician myself, I was never into audio mixing but just playing the instruments. But due to the prevailing situation, I was almost forced to learn it in order to make our recorded worship sound great for KZbin. I’ve seen at least 50 videos related to it and about 70 hours in the last 2 months mixing and mastering. I feel the difference in the mixing improve week over week and I use quite a number of pro plugins to get it sound even better. From 8 hours of mixing per 25 minute worship to just 2-3 hours now, I’m sure it has been God’s Grace all through 🙌. Thanks Jake, most of your videos have been useful to us 🙌 Love from India.

[@Ashlytitus]

Hi Bro... good to see your comment.. hard work really pays off :) would like to hear more of your learning experience which would definitely be helpful for me, If you would like to share... please inbox me on [e-mail] ... thanks.

[@ErnieJay08]

Low key was trippin out with the yellow circle on the top left of the presentations. Legit thought there was a smudge on my screen lol

[@musicmann78]

Awesome video thank you Jake. Just one thing I disagreed with is the 95% processing, 5% setting mix levels bit. I think mix levels is very crucial to a great mix. You can have a perfectly processed signal, but if its placed too low you may not even hear how great it sounds. One of my pet peeves is hearing live music, seeing say a guitarist play a guitar solo... and you can't even hear it. I think this is where sound techs also being musicians really helps. I know how hard these guys worked on practicing their parts so I try my best to mix so that everyone is heard (appropriately of course). But overall great video, just sent it to my whole team to watch. Thank you and God bless!

[@jasongravely7217]

I agree mix levels are the most important part. I still think of the Utility gain staging he did, compression, and EQ all as levels as well considering they’re only allowing the right level of certain frequencies, and compressor is keeping the level where it’s supposed to be, and that initial Utility effect kept the level correct even before the EQ and compressor. You’re totally right, just wanted to point out I think it’s maybe 50/50 :)

[@DerpOtron9k]

I've learned so much from watching you Jake. I have been a sub for about a year and my FoH is drastically different now that before I stepped in to learn sound at church. With our church entering live-streaming, I had a new challenge and you definitely stepped up on your channel and it has definitely helped our church sound online. Thank you.

[@danielfmyers]

I’ve spent around 300 hours remixing our multitrack recordings over the past year, they sound ok now.

[@surftheoceania]

lol..

[@AsianJBlazian]

I feel your struggle, I have a Behringer X18 Air due to space restrictions and budget constraints and its a horror show mixing on a ipad

[@judahsuum6164]

appreciate your hard working

[@kalebchoi6372]

@@AsianJBlazian sounds and looks horrid. We just got the x32 compact for our youth ministry. Its pretty great

[@AsianJBlazian]

@@kalebchoi6372 lucky, lol

[@kennethprins4901]

I have a few fundamental concerns here, although some of the concepts are addressed in a manner easy to understand. For pretaped services, absolutely, we should be mixing in a DAW. As per live content, it can be quite risky and not as cost effective as presented. The issue is the cost doesn't include the computer, and to mix live in a DAW you need a very robust computer. You also need a good understanding of how much latency and CPU drain is being applied with each of the plugins you choose. Bethel does sound great, but it has a great engineer behind the mix who likely chose to mix in ProTools so he or she could take advantage of various plugins and expand creativity. However that engineer could also probably create an amazing broadcast focused mix on a consumer level console utilizing the concepts you begin to present in the video. But it does bring in a certain level of risk. In fact most broadcast music mixing facilities have moved from mixing in a DAW to utilizing consoles with plugin servers. Just something to think on.

[@fathersheart3547]

Aggre.

[@cotrcrave]

yeah on the Bethel tech tour video, they were mixing on a laptop for a conference, but for their regular weekends it was ProTools running through a giant analog mixer with lots of outboard gear. But the DAW solution is feasible for some scenarios. I know a church that does it and it sounds great.

[@jasongravely7217]

You’re completely right but the one thing I’ll point out is I believe those Ableton effects use MUCH less CPU than 3rd party plugins. I have 16GB of RAM And even with 30-50 tracks including VSTs I almost never have issues with CPU.

[@iglesiabautistadeacapulco8490]

@@jasongravely7217 would you recommend a Macbook Air for this, m1chip, 16RAM and 256GB SSD?, only to Mix in the DAW like Logic Pro?, not to record, only to Process the audio with stock plugins

[@Dannys.channel]

You can mix live just don't over do it with compressors and limiters and eq it along the way for smoothness and don't expect to make it sound like an album.

[@HajongLee]

Could you please explain how you send your audio from your DAW computer to the video switcher? Do you use an audio interface with outputs that goes into the video switcher?

[@jeancalebehi]

I'm also waiting for the answer

[@yeicobandresalbornozguasca322]

Me too!!

[@TotalEvo7]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaG9oaaFlNFnh9U

[@wateriiwine]

plug-ins - gain , ( vocal tuning plug in) then eq , compression & effects (reverb and delay ) .. thanks for this intro … you have really simplified these words for me and this whole processing chain

[@Mrrvic2678]

I’m the sound engineer in my church and I need help guys. Worship sounds terrible online and I want to fix the problem...

[@flyovernews22]

Very nice video. I have been a church musician and operated a recording equipment of my own for many years. Different churches, bands, and even genres of music....and several instruments. I finally “retired” from it. My current church takes highschool or college kids who know absolutely nothing about mixing music, not the first thing, and puts them in the booth mixing. Their training is how to flip it all on and that is it. Worse.... they dont even know what they dont know. No ear for music. I love all of your videos.... but fundamentals go back even further than you took them here. Please keep up the good work. I have shared this video with my pastor and worship pastor. At some level perhaps they will begin to understand at least some of the skill that is requires.

[@mitielibulanauca4839]

Hey Jake i really like your video, just two qstns. What free software do you recommend using for a church that has a basic sound system setup? Looking forward to your reply. I'd like you to make a video of that if possible!

[@TMlianbawi]

One question. For live streaming, can you use the same computer for livestream and mix the audio in Daw or protool?

[@memecode]

You _can_ but it needs to be powerful enough to cope with both.

[@ilosngolo4930]

Thank you for inspiring and helping many churches around the world. I'm from the UK.

[@nsmith473]

Do you think that it is important to have the mixing station for the remote broadcast in a different room than the live? I find that in trying to adjust the broadcast while in the sanctuary, I have a great deal of trouble discerning sounds that are in the room from sounds in my headphones, no matter how good the headphones are. Particularly in the bass sounds. In the room, you feel the bass, making it seem louder in the broadcast than it actually is.

[@JadonHaynes]

Which DAW is best? Why do some use multiple ones at the same time? I wish this video could have existed at the beginning of COV-19. I've been mixing our recorded worship on a trial version of Studio One. It's been enjoyable with pretty decent results so far, but now trying to decide which DAW to commit to. I'm thinking of jumping to Ableton since I have watched some other tutorials of all the other things that that can do for our worship.

[@e.apollis2877]

Jadon Haynes look into a DAW like Reaper also!

[@nooomslike]

Great video, thanks Jake! Can you please go more in depth on the Plugins, like HOW you EQ and how you dial in the compressor, reverb, ... That would be so helpful!

[@user-tz7yg8ck3i]

Any way you could make a video or explain how you could eq on protools live? How do you get all the plugins and eq to go through your stream while the service is happening? i know how to multitrack but no clue how to do it live.

[@helderfn]

Following...

[@301daniel]

This is exactly what I’m looking for, if anyone has an answer that would be amazing

[@jeancalebehi]

Same to me. Following

[@TheCommercialFactory]

We have an analog Allen&Heath GL2400 board. What options are there for introducing some kind of DAW processing into the live mix?

[@imnotded1]

You would need to use the direct outs for each channel and feed those into some sort of interface that had enough inputs to mix everything independently. While the GL2400 is nice (I own one) it would be better to just buy an X32.

[@aaronboelbaai7813]

Amen brother, very interesting, you're on point, i'm about to try the Logic Pro, many thanks

[@fraserthaddius1160]

Whery rich in learning I want to know what khind of Laptop you work wiht

[@DeedreCousins]

Many smaller churches have analog or older consoles that don’t offer an interface built into them. Some are using their phones to stream right now. They’re taking an aux send signal to their phones. It’d be a great idea to do a video on cheap, budget-friendly workflows for churches who don’t have that Bethel money. Most churches don’t have that Bethel money.

[@YARDMANMX]

The iPhone is one of the best on a low budget and it is great just get a audio interface that is los compatible send the audio from your console to the interface and you are ready to go

[@silvermanewj4366]

You, Deedre are SO right! That is exactly where our church is coming from. Back in analog LOCAL days, huge systems with bang-on speakers were "The Thing", but not when you are attempting to send digitally clipped megabits over the internet to everything from flip-phones to quad-core computers all over the world. Solution? Go big or go home? No! Learn how to work both modes. And right there is where I and many other small church engineers are at a disadvantage. What to buy? How to connect? And most importantly, how to configure and broadcast over the internet AND.. still project audio efficiently for a growing senior population who can't hear the worship and the preaching through old technologically-inferior hearing aids. We need help. Thank you. And keep rockin'.. and PEACE in Jesus Christ. No Jesus, no peace.

[@Ohioboi93]

Another alternative to using a daw would be having an aux out on your board, mixing sends on that aux out, then sending that signal to your stream.

[@chaddonal4331]

This is what we do

[@RootedDeep]

Bro pls do a video how do you convert the audio from daw to live streaming sw. and I am not able to get the individual track from my Allen mixer

[@theaudioschool]

Thank you. Please can you do an in depth video on mixing in real time with a laptop.

[@StewartWhite]

when you're going for the direct-from-daw livestream option, how would you advise mixing on the fly and getting good reference audio to make sure that what you're hearing is going to be true and consistent across various quality of speakers and headphones for the listeners on the other end?

[@10MANOEL]

That's a good question. I have the same doubt.

[@max4488yt]

Hey Jake. I’m really considering setting up a live broadcast mix like you have but how do you make sure it’s stable? How do I make sure that it doesn’t drop out/ runs smoothly and stable, and how to I route the audio out of ableton and into my recording software?

[@igrejabiblicadejacarepagua9011]

Thanks for your time Jake, we wish God bless you! My question is: What´s the best way to send that mixed audio to the OBS or another broadcast software? What would be a nice computer configuration to use the DAW and a broadcast software together? Thanks!

[@junemarkwales1227]

Good Day Jake, I wish you can make depth tutorial, step by step process how you sync audio from DAW and multi camera capture videos.

[@SllieNRhymesWithSpleen]

Use a clapboard (or just clap) then you see the clap on the daw and all the cameras, the viola, you’re done

[@JamieDSilva1]

There's an app called plural eyes which will do it for you as long as you have reference audio on all cameras. Its amazing. Try it out.

[@junemarkwales1227]

@@JamieDSilva1 Hey Bro, tnx for the info, I will try that. God Bless

[@junemarkwales1227]

@@SllieNRhymesWithSpleenI wanna clarify myself here, what you're trying to say is, you just click the record button on all the cameras first then after that you clap once?

[@SllieNRhymesWithSpleen]

June Mark Wales pretty much, you just gotta make sure that all the cameras see the clap, or if they’re out of frame, clap in front of each camera so you can line it up later in post

[@raysim2]

how do i split the audio coming out of the laptop to headphone and switcher?

[@ricardo.i.i.i]

been trying to figure this out too :( cant find it anywhere

[@AndrewRaia]

I wish my Pastor's were asking how to make the mix sound better. I think most people don't notice the difference between a Stellar Mix and Good Enough mix enough to invest $$ in the gear and/or people.

[@chaddonal4331]

Here's an analogy... Most church members aren't theologians and may miss whether a pastor's theology is "correct" or not. Similarly, most people aren't professional educators and don't think through effective communication techniques. But, if the theology is true at the top level filter, and communicated via pro communication approaches -- the teaching ministry should thrive. A great preacher doesn't use the average person as their filter. Similarly, soundtechs and musicians should be the gatekeepers of the quality of sound and music. If you aim for capturing the top, everyone else benefits. If you aim for the middle, the cream tends to leave...

[@lcrr700]

We have four mics and a keyboard. They all plug into an old Behringer Europower PMX2000 power mixer, and our live output is through the Right/Mono Main output to a pair of speakers. Our worship music comes from the keyboard and a singer (sometimes two) and the mics are used for reading scripture and teaching. We livestream our services to Facebook through OBS with two cell phone cameras using iVCam through USB connections to a Dell laptop that is running OBS. The audio to OBS is from the 1/4" monitor output jack on the PMX2000 running through a 1/4" to RCA adapter then to a ROXIO VHS to DVD3 PLUS capture device connected to a USB port on the laptop. The video quality is acceptable but the audio is extremely tinny and "flangy" ... So far we've had no complaints about the audio on the live stream but I just hate the way it sounds, so I'm using a second laptop running Audacity (it also runs OpenLP software for projecting song lyrics) and recording into it from the same Monitor Out source on the PMX2000 through a splitter - except in this case there is a 1/8" aux in port on the older HP laptop and I don't need the ROXIO capture device for it. Since the audio sounds so much better from that computer, I use it when I edit and produce the video from the service to upload it to our KZbin channel in the afternoon. Perhaps my problem is in the ROXIO capture device. But since my Dell laptop doesn't have an aux in port, just a single headphone/mic jack that doesn't recognize audio coming in from the PMX2000. is there another way to get the audio into the computer without having to buy another computer or any gear? Our ministry is small and, well, we don't really have money to spend to make things sound good.

[@fragozamedia5246]

25:50min in, you start to answer the question that the video claims to help with. How do you input and output using your DAW program? Lol. 25 minutes of mixing basics, two minutes of almost answering the question we all have. #It’sInTheComputer #It’sSoSimple. I’m just busting your chops bro but I still have no clue how to get sound from my board into ablation live… I know I connect it... how!?!?!?!? 🤣. Come man. Lol.

[@lowercase3635]

I’d love to learn how to do this on livestream. How would you get the mix from the laptop to the media guy?? Can you save the mix you made for every Sunday?

[@emmanuelozil5654]

Great video. But how do we get Audio from a DAW to the livestream. Like from a DAW to OBS

[@michellejohnson4088]

Love the video! Thank you so much! The only question that comes to mind is how would I connect the mixed sound from a laptop to an iPad that runs Switcher Studio?

[@timbleybimbley]

I agree with most of what you say however...... 1. the DAW solution is complicated for live mixes and for relatively inexperienced users. So actually the second desk (doesn’t have to be a big or complicated) is actually the better solution. 2. No mention of accounting congregation mics at all yet VERY essential and in Europe their non-use breaks most disability discrimination laws. The use of 3 or 4 well positions FX mics can cure most mucking about with FX settings. And 3. Discipline from pastors / minister and singers using their mics is crucial because moving about and changes in base-tip-up will have profound issues for the live stream. In these current times the broadcast mix is the most important and should never be treated as an add-on! Oh. Bethel do sound good but a bit like pop FM radio! And the use of Donald Trump wasn’t the wisest of choices!

[@tomp8570]

Hey Jake, I've been following Churchfront for a while and really like your videos! Some thoughts on that video: We are a church who just recently got into live-streaming but my brothers and I are in to video production for a while. As we have to invest in our current set up to make it "livestream-proof" I were deciding whether to go for DAW or a mixing desk. Here is why I decided to go for the mixing desk in the end: 1. Using a DAW I find it more difficult to create a appealing live-stream mix quickly. Maybe it is just me but I find it easier to use a sound desk and just jump to the knobs that I need. Also I find it, that muting and unmuting channels is quicker and easier with a sound desk as well as adjusting levels. 2. Most of our volunteers wouldn't know how to operate a DAW and if so they wouldn't be experienced. But finding the same sound desk as on the FOH with the exact same layout makes it way easier for them to jump onto the livestream. And 3. which I think this is the most important reason: In your documentary the bethel sound engineer says that they've been using a Protools template that has been optimised especially for them for years and I also think that you bought a preset for your service which costs a couple hundred dollars as well as needing to buy loads of Plug ins. So this is why I think we will be heading for the 2nd mixing console (Nothing fancy) but I would love to hear what you think about it and if you agree with some of my points! Much love and thank so much for all the work you do!

[@LueAmos]

I think Jake's approach should have been to say here is an alternative to buying a second mixing console, instead of saying buying a 2nd mixing console is wrong. Because both have their advantages and disadvantages, of which you have listed the some of the advantages of a 2nd console. In the recording world this is the typical "hardware vs plugins" debate. But on the flip side, it might be worth investing in learning how to mix on a DAW, because there is a level of control in evening out your sound that you might not get on your console, especially if you don't have a fancy one. But it will take time. As a worship leader and self taught sound guy (because I had no choice as there was no1 to do it) I can tell you it took some trial and error, lots of youtube tutorials. For example it might seem easy enough looking at that vocal chain Jake has in Ableton and to think I'm just going to put an eq and compressor plugin and I'm good. Learning how to actually eq and compress using the right settings is not a walk in the park. Unfortunately it's not easy as just "dialing in the settings". It's certainly not an immediate or even short term solution going the DAW mixing route, more so if you don't have anyone on your team who is familiar with at least one DAW. I think for the long run it's a worthy investment though

[@paulyester1965]

using REAPER on an x32... looking for best routing to take my REAPER mix, put it back into my x32 (channels 31, 32?) and then route to my matrix out... mainly looking for ideas on REAPER matrix settings... thanks

[@markwyar942]

Great video Sir! I have a few questions if you can please help me out with. 1. How exactly do you send the multi-channel audio from your main board to the DAW laptop that keeps all the channels separate so the DAW recognizes all the individual channels? I use an old ProTools v9 to home record but my (Mbox2) interface that has a max of only 4 simultaneous inputs. 2. Is there a version of Protools you must have for this to work? (I.e., anything older than v9 won't allow this functionality....) Thank you! Blessings

[@yodajazzcat]

Jake, great video. One thing I thought about when you were talking about EQ is proximity effect. Rarely does anybody talk about this, but I have 'fixed' a lot of live muddy vocals by not even touching the mixer. I just use 2 words. "Back up!" Lol The majority of the time just backing off the mic a little instantly clears up the mud. You might have to compensate slightly in terms of gain but not enough to introduce feedback or bleed from other sources. And you'll get a much clearer vocal so the words can be understood.

[@RadioMarkCroom]

I'm more of a "go ahead and be close and we'll EQ the proximity effect out" guy. The reason for this is that the less gain you have on each individual mic that's open, the less leakage you are likely to have between mics. Every time you have to add gain to open mics in a live mix you pick up some amount of other ambient sound in the space. Sometimes it's negligible (as you mention) and doesn't really bother anything, but if you have acoustic drums on stage and/or guitar and bass amps, you might be picking up more of that than you want by turning up the gain. I find that it's very hard to control the mix overall if I have to turn up gains any more than absolutely necessary. So there's definitely more than one way of thinking about this and you have to apply what works best for your situation.

[@DIDCHOI]

Isolation > proximity effect. It’s much easier to get a good mix with a well isolated vocal with too much bass/low mid, then a cleaner track with tons of bleed, so I agree with Mark. Better to eat the mic and apply a wide cut at 200hz. (Even better in a DAW, use a dynamic EQ!)

[@yodajazzcat]

@@RadioMarkCroom I agree. However, in my particular case the lead guy is pretty much by himself (iso drums and little stage volume) so there's not much else that can bleed through. And from my experience it only takes a smidge to really roll off the mud. I study artists who I consider to be some of the best vocalists (i.e. James Taylor and Eric Clapton to name a couple) and it's pretty consistent. The other factor is he normally has guys running the board who aren't real experienced, so if it's set for him to keep from eating the mic he should be ok. Should. Lol

[@tantanmartinez8173]

Hi! I’m a volunteer tech, currently our church have Allen&Heath GLD 112. Sadly I can only mix 2track main mix which leads me to use another 8channel analog console & use GROUP Bus per channel from GLD. Still sound doesnt great on livestream, any help or recommendations?

[@zildjian2585]

Thanks, Just want to ask if we still need to replace our analog mixer (Sound Craft MPMI) that don't have USB port? We are only using audio box and plug it in the mixer aux. Thanks

[@benjdave24]

Hey Brother, so it means that after you mix this track you have recorded...can we save the mix, gain, eq's, compressions and fx you have used and use it on our next FOH and broadcast sessions? Thanks...Godbless

[@busyngtv2861]

Very educative, please can my yamaha mgpx32 support multi-track recording?

[@davidponce7567]

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[@andrewthiessen1686]

Ok soooo... 1. You could just use a mixbus/matrix on the console you already have and dedicate that to your online broadcast. You could even have someone else mixing it through their phone app if you have even semi-new cheap digital mixer ... super easy and cost no extra...maybe just some headphones. Your eq and comp settings will work from the live mix and you can just add more reverb and delay. 2. I would have to dissagree with the processing vs levels advice. Most live and broadcast mixes differ in the levels more than anything... take drums... you don't need much of those in the FOH mix in a small church... if any. But online drums are #1 in the mix (if you like that Bethel sound) 3. No matter what you do...know what you are doing. Bethel has pros behind their sound... if you want their sound dont buy their "shoes" do their "workout." You can learn to use eq and compression anywhere online... invest the time ...not the money. 4. Please fix the noise level in your video. Its hard to listen to a video about improoving sound when you have problems with your signal. I almost didn't watch past the first minute. Sorry for all this but keep it up. God bless.

[@edbaer7309]

Stay away from politics if you want to reach to all people. TRUMp is not very Christ like bro. Blessings! Sorry-Can’t subscribe not support your channel

[@rbl2700]

But why not just mix in The hardware? Im jusing The x32. And im pleased with The stock rev del and eq...

[@Marks_1777]

Anyone else want jake to react/review viewers online worship services?

[@Micalex]

Bold assumption to think my church even has a functional 2 input mixer, less alone a full console and a DAW

[@TheNathanMac]

I'm interested in the way you compress vocals. You have a fairly slow attack normally I'd use that attack for dynamic instruments like drums, is there a specific reason for slow attack on vocals? I've never thought of doing it like that and just wondering about the thinking :) Great video :)

[@VillageGuitarAmpCoSaskatoon]

Drum samples are a crutch. Learn to tune drums. Get your drummer to learn to produce good tone. Study you craft and don't just use band aids don't be lazy.

[@proboraharjo6237]

Thanks for your presentation..its very helpful..GBU

[@jeremykuehn]

At 23:00 I thought the orange circle in the bottom right corner of the video was paint from my kids. I was mad at first, but then realized it was in the video. Great video!

[@psychologyvlog]

I am happy watching you Jake, you're gradually give me solutions to my problems in church, but there is another issue, For some churches that have there mixing console live in the church, It's gonna be difficult mixing audio for the live stream in the church environment, the noise will make it difficult for you to be able to mix a good audio for the stream. I don't know if you understand what I meant 😂

[@ZachSwena]

It sounds like the primary reason for choosing a DAW is for the effects functionality. My church has a lot of untrained operators and we stream a lot of unrehearsed programs. Wouldn't mic splitters with a simple console such as the Soundcraft SI expression 3 combined with a DAW for effects busses work better? This way the broadcast mix technician doesn't have to worry about improper gain settings on the house board. Beginner operators can operate with an easy to use console, Advanced effects can be done in the DAW while returning the signal to the board for mixdown and output.

[@joefickry]

thank u man... hmm i use dgtal mixer and route to DAW softwarre ( cubase 10.5) to my laptop for broadcast mixing... so can i send the audio mix from my laptop ( cubase) to another pc/laptop ?? i means sent to obs.. bcouse the audio from my laptop and the obs from another lptop to stream like a fb and youtube... so how to connect / sent it? please help sir...

[@eliasdotcamara]

This is helpful. More of the live stuff that includes the topic of latency please 😭

[@arturoherrera2451]

This video implies that the viewers have a digital mixing console. What would you recommend for a church that has an analog mixing console for streaming live worship? Considering that there is no way to equalize the channels by separate...

[@davidroblero]

Man ! You are the best ! I have a question is it possible to route the mixing console someway with Ableton for live mixing ? You know, use the sends of the console to Ableton and then return the signal with the Dsp to the console for FOH? I hope this makes sense . Greetings from mexico !

[@CHS10901]

We have a much smaller church and the problem we had was that the ambient sounded nothing like the mixer output as the drums and bass were not running through the house. My solution was a little Behringer mixer and a couple of SM58 mics setup by the main mixer. We output this mixer into the computer to stream via the USB output on the mixer. Is it professional? No, but it sounds pretty well balanced and if you buy new you are looking at a couple hundred for a mixer and a couple hundred in mics and a maybe another hundred for mic holders and cables and all the little stuff that everyone neglects to add in. It was a lot cheaper than trying to add additional channels to pickup the stuff we weren't amplifying.

[@thomassnyder6750]

We currently use a Mackie 32 Channel analog mixer. We use aux channel for our live stream mix. Suggestions on what to do to improve our setup? I have one signal sent to our live stream Can I add reverb, compression, etc. to the entire mix?

[@romano_cwb]

Jake, how do you deal with latency between the audio that you send and the video already captured in your switcher? I mean, here in my setup (basically the same of yours) I have my audio mix about 42ms later than my video (maybe more). So In a speech it is possible to perceive the difference in time betwen audio and video. It so annoying...

[@andyxprophet]

Whatever you use be it switcher or Vmix or Boxcast should have a video delay option. It's better to delay video to audio than the other way around. No one cares that they're a minute 30 later than the live experience.

[@romano_cwb]

​@@andyxprophet Yes, I know that the livestreaming is delayed a minute or more. It is normal. The problem is the sync with video. This is my problem. Our switcher is BlackMagic (whole system, from cameras to encoders), and in our equipments we don't have any solution to video delay. BlackMagic has equipment to do that, but is too expensive in our contry (Brazil). So I'm looking for another solution... if it exist... You've mention the Boxcast! We use their service. I will look in settings, may be there is a option for video delay.

[@ThatGuy-oc4qh]

Can a Yamaha MGP32X hook up to my Computer to this via protools ? Thank you in advance.

[@kevinrutledge9602]

We had nothing for live streaming and we had a basic mixer in a cabinet. Our church spent a few thousand for a ptz camera and an upgrade to the audio with a qu core for more direct control during a service(didn't really have the space for a sound booth). Now we are weak is in mixing the audio and then making it somewhat easier to use. We are a traditional church service so I am not sure we have enough mics for the live stream audio (i.e our organ is picked up as ambient, we have two-floor mics for the piano. We have 2 shotgun mics pointing to each side of the choir loft but are somehow picking up people talking in the back of the sanctuary.). We've had the company come out a few times, but not really focus on a good mix for in house and stream. I am more versed in video and streaming and the audio is my weakest and am learning much of audio fundamentals and trying to learn what's available on the qu all with the restrictions of covid. Is there a way I can record some of these elements and work with recordings like you did to help build what would make good live stream audio with the equipment I've mentioned?

[@leonbenner2204]

Can you get the same results just doing the mixing with the board or should you really use the DAW? So if using something like pro tools on mac, i would send the mix from the borad (we have the touchmix 30) to a computer running pro tools and do the mix and then send it to the streaming computer. ( we are using a pc now running vmix for the stream.) We will be getting a new m2 mac mini soon so we will be using more then likey wirecast. But if we would consider getting pro presenter 7 can you stream right from that?

[@jacobjohnson5339]

If I'm using an analog mixer is it still possible to get the separate channels to mix individually? I will have to use the FX sends and they have dedicated knobs. But will I be able to get these separate channels in Ableton, or will it be one mix that I have to control on the analog mixer using the FX knobs?

[@oleanderson3693]

If we are streaming live, can't all of the adjustments in the workflow be done on a good digital console like an SQ6? It seems to have all of the adjustments as in a DAW.

[@dadsonraj8665]

Can you explain the chain more? You take the out from the audio interface to the video switcher then?? After it’s mixed in laptop...

[@christophertaylor606]

We are a small church and getting started with a Behringer x18. Can we get a good FOH mix and a good stream mix as an Aux put from the mixer instead of going through a DAW?

[@gabrielhaleck9766]

Glad to see jesse pinkman turned his life around...haha kidding, thanks for the great videos jake! learned a whole lot from your tutorials.

[@twins13m]

We mix our live broadcast audio on a seperate bus on the x32 and send it via usb (asio-stereo) to our streaming software. Do we really need a daw? Is it so much outstanding?

[@john-markiliev4227]

Hey Jake. I have tried to make our church sound better, but we are still having a analog mixer. Is there any way to take a multitrack mixing from an analog mixer

[@taqaq6960]

Question… if we have an analog mixer, then this live stream mix using DAW is not possible correct?

[@gatewaysolo104]

We had trouble getting enough head space for the bass guitar and kick drum for folks listening on phones and tablets. We ended up running a saturation plug-in. We also have to compare the mix between our studio headphones and cheap set to simulate phone speakers.

Too much reverb. You said that you don't want to put a lot of delay because that sounds bad but if you put too much reverb it sounds too wide.

[@kikat3939]

Yeah

[@obidavekenobe]

A little vocal compression on goes a long way, don’t crush your vocals; some singers voices dont take well to compression.

[@jzvale1138]

How do I sent my mix from Logic Pro to my streaming software? I’m using a Mac for logic and a pc for streaming

[@freedownload6561]

Hi bro! What are the requirements in hardware for one to be able to use Logic pro (the software that you're using)?

[@jmm4023]

Have learned so much , thanks for the vedio I have this question ,how can this work using analog console

[@LightofGraceChurch]

Jake - which Ableton version is enough to mix ? the $69 (30% off til wednesday) version good enough if I dont want to use all those extra instruments?

[@Ese.B]

The intro is fine but take into consideration that you can only use 8tracks with that one. Standard you have unlimited tracks

[@BenHockey]

Reaper is $60, you can even try it for free until you decide you like it. It lacks nothing you'll need and there's a lot of KZbin videos to help. I used it with a combination of its native plugins and a handful of other plugins for our worship this week - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZnLmWaljrySma8.

[@xIDREWx]

hillsong is better but yah i been using logic pro for this

[@ELECTRONICMUSIC12]

I'm new to obs and have so.much problems with my music have you done a video for that

[@musikdept2066]

Hi do you have any online training for sound set up? Specialy for live streaming audio set up

[@debalenalang09]

is this is how to live stream worship audio in stereo? because the live stream audio in our church sounds mono especially during praise and worship.

[@henrymartyn]

How do you feel about utilizing the audio filters in OBS?

[@decastring]

Probably should have gated your mic to reduce/eliminate the guitar bleed.

[@stanleyuy3405]

A separate audio interface is needed to get the mix from the DAW to the switcher for live streaming , am I right?

[@vvwording4844]

I am glad that you started with trims. One of the coolest mixes I ever did was built on gain matching. I was alone and I was new to the venue and new to the talent, and of course the talent was running late - i.e. not much time to ring-out the microphones. So before the audience was going to come in, I raised the levels of the monitors and the PA above the standard level. Then listened to the sound of the first microphone when I stood on the stage and waved the microphone in front of the closest monitor. Then went to the back of the venue and adjusted channel 1's levels. Took a couple of round-trips for channel 1, but things got actually easier as I added each new microphone and did not turn down the already turned-up individual levels. Had to lower the main level and the monitors a couple of times to keep things just below feedback, kept adding microphones and then finally turned the whole system down before the audience came in. Didn't need much FX that night, and my respect of gain trims grew a little bit.

[@corporatejanitors3728]

Hello Goszling, please how do I find an autotune in a DAW like audition?

[@aaimginggraphics2411]

what if you dont use ableton live ....does the x32 have a autotune plugin?

[@JeffreyJRoman-zh4vm]

What’s the difference from mixing in a console or mixing in a DAW ?