How To: Neck Turner Setup | How To Use Neck Turner | K&M Precision Shooting | KM Precision Reloading

[@Suasponte-rm8mz]

I found the best way to set cut depth is using a feeler gage. If you want .013 necks use the .013 feeler and turn cutter in to just touching feeler and your set.

[@Jeff_Seely]

That's pretty sharp. I do not yet own a neck turner but am trying to make an educated decision. Thanks for the help!

[@tiredleeches771]

@@Jeff_Seely did you ever decide on a neck turner? I'm in the same boat as you are trying to decide

[@Jeff_Seely]

I do not have one yet but I have made a decision to get a k&S. Life kind of got in the way in hobbies have taken a back seat. But I like this choice and will be buying it by the end of this month. Good luck on your choice.

[@br4713]

I didnt know you had a KZbin channel, I subscribe ! I'm very satisfied with all your products even if that's not always easy to get it in Europe.

[@johnblythe8229]

Excellent video. When products are sold it would be ideal to solicit this video/others for reference. Thank you, Thank you...😊

[@kmshooting]

Glad it was helpful!

[@juliusjames5577]

K&M products..... they are the kings of making sure you need to buy one more thing.

[@newerest1]

NO KIDDING... lol

[@randallgibson3212]

Yeah they definitely don’t show all the expander mandrels, dies, etc you need.

[@chriscroush]

How important is the wobble/slop in the impact driver? I'm using Makita where you're using Bosch. I am seeing the same wobble.

[@gdog4323]

I thought the same thing. It hardly seems precise, and if you're going this, precise is what you/I/we want

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

That worries me too. That’s why I got myself the 21st Century system with a fixed transfer rod. Did the same with the Lyman trimmer and installed a power adaptor. Zero wobble.

[@kmshooting]

Hey Chris, good eye on the hand wobbling, but that’s not where the work is happening. Focus on the precision ground pilot guiding the case neck. You can achieve neck wall thickness of +/- .0001” (a tenth) or better. Our system, precision by design, “floats” in your hands and only constrains the neck where it matters. Please send me an e-mail ([e-mail]) or give a call (616-399-7894) to discuss further. ~Dave @ K&M

[@robertgilbert6939]

when do you turn your necks ? when it's brand new OR after first firing ?

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

Regardless if it’s brand new or once fired brass, you should neck turn after resizing and expanding the neck (I personally remove the ball expander from the sizing die and use expander mandrels in another step). If you neck turn first and only then uniform the INSIDE of the neck, any irregularity will be “pushed” outward, back to the surface. Back to your specific question, it won’t make much of difference since even brand new brass should be FL sized before loading.

[@kmshooting]

Good answer by Rodolfo M.

[@boricuaarecibo9259]

I just started reloading. I'm not sure what I just watched. Is neck turning having the same neck thickness all the way around? Although I do love reloading I already spent over 2 grand on all this crap

[@PJ-vw4zu]

Yes, it is conforming the neck wall thickness. It does make a difference if you are a Bench rest shooter or long range precision shooter. Since you are new to reloading you do not need to neck turn your rifle cases. Stick to the basics and you can get to this level of reloading later on. Do remember to spend the money on a manual that sits on your bench. Don't be totally dependent on the web for help or you"ll drive yourself nuts.

[@boricuaarecibo9259]

@@PJ-vw4zu I read the entire lyman 50th anniversary edition manual. You are correct about watching people online, for example I saw a guy trimming his cases (.223 remington) before checking them in a case gauge. Thanks for clearing that up

[@Jeff_Seely]

That's pretty cool. I am very new to acuuracy rifle loading and I do not yet own a neck turner but am trying to make an educated decision. I am assuming that you need to at least resize the neck prior to using the tool. I have bought a Lee Neck Sizing collet die. Will that shrink my neck down to the required size in order to use this tool? Thanks for the help!

[@kmshooting]

Hey Jeff, thanks for reaching out! You're correct that the brass needs to be sized for a tight fit on the neck turner pilot. A typical scenario is to first full-length size with the expander ball removed, then use our expand mandrel to open the case neck (pushing thickness variation to the outside), and then neck turn. Here is a link to instructions for neck expanding (before neck turning and sizing for bullet tension). kmshooting.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/PowerStroke-Neck-Expanding-Ported-Press-Adapters.2204-scaled.jpg Feel free to e-mail us at [e-mail] if you have other questions. -Dave @ K&M

[@Jeff_Seely]

Okay. Thanks for the great support!!

[@Loojmemhav]

Hey buddy… I notice in your video as you’re operating the drill to spin your brass into the cutter there seems to be some wobble as I can see your left hand moving as the case spins. Is that normal for the K&M turner or could that be a setup issue or a drill wobbling. I know the brass will wobble if not seated properly on the shell holder. Thanks.

[@deeeeeeps]

To me it doesn't make sense to trim the outside of the case. The outside is fire-formed to your chamber and is perfectly round when it comes out. I would assume trimming the inside would be where the cut should be. Can you explain why my thought process is wrong?

[@JohnSmith-fi2gu]

Does All the wobble from drill affect wall thickness? Seems like it wouldn't give a uniform cut?

[@kmshooting]

Hey John, good eye on the hand wobbling, but that’s not where the work is happening. Focus on the precision ground pilot guiding the case neck. You can achieve neck wall thickness of +/- .0001” (ten-thousandth) or better. Our system, precision by design, “floats” in your hands and only constrains the neck where it matters. Please send me an e-mail ([e-mail]) or give a call (616-399-7894) to discuss further. ~Dave @ K&M

[@greenstreet5287]

Is there a hand held tool similar to this that cuts the I.d.?

[@kmshooting]

Hey green street, we do have cutting pilots that are designed for donut removal at the neck-shoulder junction. We don't recommend ID neck turning as variable surface finish can cause a lot of tail chasing. Here's a link to our cutting pilots and neck turning expand mandrels which are sized to go together. kmshooting.com/product/carbide-cutting-pilots/ kmshooting.com/product/expand-mandrels/

[@andresMartinez-uh8xq]

donde consigo uno de esos??

[@jvalentine8376]

That's very basic . People should make sure they turn the necks down so the cutter just kisses the case shoulder . That way you know you have cut all the length of the neck . If you stop short of that you run the risk of creating a ridge just before the neck shoulder junction that upon firing transfers inside the case creating a doughnut . People who are skim turning for a factory chamber do not need to clean up the whole neck circumference , it's not necessary and it leads to necks that are too thin . Clean it up about 75% and after a few shots it will clean up again a bit more at the same turner setting . Remember that in a factory chamber the more you turn the neck down the greater the gap will be between the loaded round neck diameter and the chamber wall . Which negates some of the benefits especially if the case body is a sloppy fit in the chamber and the round lays on the bottom of the chamber . This situation can also be corrected with partial neck sizing and using body dies when resizing the body and a separate neck sizing only die , Lee collet or Redding bushing . Bushing dies work better on neck turned brass , collet dies work well on all brass however to shorten the neck size length of a Collet die put a steel washer over the case onto the shell holder . This gives you the partial neck size and a slight second shoulder just above the neck shoulder junction . This never gets sized again by the body die or the neck die and stops the case ever laying in the bottom of the chamber and centers the neck even though you have neck turned it and lost brass thickness . You have reclaimed the neck centering better than before turning and the turning improves neck tension , bullet release , bullet seating accuracy and neck sizing precision . I just gave you one of my accuracy secrets that I developed back in 1967 .

[@yasamogu]

Круто! Очень интересно. Опрятно всё и аккуратно.

[@amerbachaamerbacha1019]

🇵🇰💯👍🙋

[@kmshooting]

Thanks Amerbacha!

[@noellewis6358]

Look at the bloody cutter wobbling. Neck not straight so partial cutting shows on neck.

[@kmshooting]

Hey Noel, good eye on the hand wobbling, but that’s not where the work is happening. Focus on the precision ground pilot guiding the case neck. You can achieve neck wall thickness of +/- .0001” (a tenth) or better. Our system, precision by design, “floats” in your hands and only constrains the neck where it matters. Please send me an e-mail ([e-mail]) or give a call (616-399-7894) to discuss further. ~Dave @ K&M

[@THEGRAYFOXX00]

dude no no no no no...the whole point is precision, that idea is out the window when u free hand it and not to mention the bullet *seats on the inside not the outer, the outer is more for sealing not even crimp pressure or anything have to do with release when fired...

[@gdog4323]

What do you reccomend mate?

[@THEGRAYFOXX00]

@@gdog4323 there is a machine that turns both the inner and outer atvhe same time

[@stolleteddy]

How many HOF points do you have.

[@danmeeks6387]

But it's $1800

[@gdog4323]

I changed my neck turning philosophy to... not neck turning and using saami chambers

[@gsp2west]

WAY too much WOBBLE to be precise !!! I'll keep looking for a better solution to neck turning.. Thanks for the demonstration.

[@kmshooting]

Hey Tom, good eye on the hand wobbling, but that’s not where the work is happening. Focus on the precision ground pilot guiding the case neck. You can achieve neck wall thickness of +/- .0001” (a tenth) or better. Our system, precision by design, “floats” in your hands and only constrains the neck where it matters. Please send me an e-mail ([e-mail]) or give a call (616-399-7894) to discuss further. ~Dave @ K&M