How To Plant Clover For Deer

[@vincentdilorenzo3587]

This man is the best! You can tell how much work he put in

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

We appreciate you Vincent!

[@oltrapper7984]

Thank you folks so much for increasing my levels of happiness through the wonderful content you guys create. God bless, I'm gonna be purchasing some seed this year. Big believer in your guys techniques

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thank YOU! We really appreciate you watching and being a part of the WHS community!

[@fredk7250]

Another great informative video, we are planting clover/chicory this year, herd building......thanks for the video

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Nice Fred that sounds great!

[@janitorialguy4436]

I’ve considered clover many times however I enjoy trying new plots each fall. Thanks Jeff great video

[@shannoncrouch5723]

Interesting, I have Frost Seeded for the past 5 years. I’ve had great success with it until the drought last year. 109 days of heat, with lest than a half inch on day 64 & 69. I will definitely be hitting the Spring seeding. Appreciate the knowledge from WHS.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thanks Shannon...great feedback! That oat cover crop can be a huge help too!

[@mikemellon80]

I don't hear you talk about clover much. so I've kind of disregarded it for my property. but this discussion on blending it has me thinking

[@spencerlofkvist4001]

Thank You Jeff! Maybe an idea for a future video, I have a few Apple trees on my property and I did some research on keeping them pruned and kept for maximum productivity. Might be a topic to discuss with your following. Take care Sir and Thank you Again.

[@timhatfield6367]

New growth makes more apples,plus you can prune the trees so they can reach the browse. Just saying for a friend...lol

[@garretts1604]

Jeff, how are you using/locating/portioning clover to limit the doe factory concern?

[@TheSmithtj80]

How long will you let your clover plot go before terminating it? Do you do use a crop rotation with clover plots?

[@robertboston9778]

Jeff - one the first things you've said that I found not correct, at least in Mid-Ohio. I've experienced outstanding success broadcasting rye (150#/acre) into an established legume plot around labor day with moisture in the forecast - four years going now. Suggest you try it on a part of your legume plot to see. When the legumes start to frost out the rye is there to continue the line of movement to those greens you foot-stomp. Best Regards.

[@seregill13]

One of my plots has been just clover for 4 years now, I sprayed weeds the first two years. The two years after that I couldn't fit spraying weeds in my budget but the clover pretty well choked out the weeds by itself.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Mowing works very well too!

[@seregill13]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Going to mix the clover with oats next planting.

[@beaulyons5554]

So if I understand, you could use or plant into rye, oats, wheat as a spring cover crop, then mow down the cover crop? I have spring wheat and rye coming in and was hoping I could seed clover into it then kill out the rye and wheat. Doing a clover alfalfa chicory combo I’m putting together. Thank you for all your advise.

[@brandonyoung7760]

I have 1 question Jeff. If you can't broadcast brassicas in a established clover plot then what's your options for the next year? I'm guessing you'll have to leave it as a stand alone clover plot or kill out the established plot and reseed with new clover and brassicas the next fall? Any help would be appreciated. Getting ready to buy seed. Thanks!

[@matherlogger]

I was about to ask the very same question. Looking forward to a reply.

[@belindahorn3611]

I have an existing clover plot, having problems with grass. Can I mix some glyposate with clethodine, to help control it?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

I would use Clethodim for sure...no Gly then 😊

[@TheAcenightcreeper]

Butyrac200

[@kurtisleffelman3029]

Can you do a video on killing spring time rye. I’ve heard spray, mow, or crimp but I’m looking more for a timeline and how exactly. Thanks Jeff, appreciate all the information!

[@timhatfield6367]

Before seed heads get mature.

[@VincentDonovan-qn5wi]

Enjoy absorbing the experience for my small project with a emphasis on wildlife in general. Going fruit /nut tree heavy and thought your viewers might enjoy tree pruning for productivity and accessibility

[@jmar5787]

Can you plant Summer Soil Explosion Blend now over the winter rye that's about gone - eaten to the ground!! I'm in northern lower Michigan..

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi J you can...but I would wait until closer to your last frost date, broadcast and then kill the rye with Glyphosate

[@jmar5787]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 no Ag here its sandy soil mostly swamp with high ridges running north / south...

[@colejuen7521]

Pierce County WI, For logging roads next to potential deer bedding, what should we plant, brush, switchgrass, trees?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

That's a really tough one....so many choices and so many variables it would be impossible to offer any suggestions that reflect any form of accuracy 😊

[@michaeljohnson5175]

Should I use plot starter fertilizer (11-11-11) when I plant the clover?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi Michael! I would go purely by a soil test recommendation. For example clover doesn't need that first # (nitrogen) in the mix.

[@amb221989]

I was given a bag of Crimson clover, not really sure what to do with it. Is that something I could mix in with Brassica or would it be better to do something else with it?

[@bowman8316]

I plant crimson in early to mid Aug

[@anthonymalueg3520]

Can frost seeding clover into an existing Glover stand be a good practice to thicken it up every year

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

It can during the first Spring of a Fall seeded clover field.... especially when not enough seed was used during the Fall. At appropriate seeding rates the frost seeding is not necessary...

[@prank213]

I just used 50 lb bag of Clover on 1/4 acre. Do you think I overseeded? What should I expect?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

You used 48#s extra....just wasting seed.

[@Colt-j9m]

I’m in SE Virginia. Could I seed clover in the spring around April, and use rye grain as a nurse crop to control weeds? Was debating on doing that. Then coming in around mid May and actually planting soybeans right into the standing clover. Also should/would I have to bush hog the rye before planting the beans? Thank you.

[@scottpavek236]

Curious about Birdsfoot trefoil. It is everywhere in our CRP acreage. The county NRCS person dislikes it and says it’s an invasive species. Heck the stuff is everywhere in our yard…ditches. If it’s everywhere…you aren’t really adding any value by putting it in a plot mix…are you? I’d love to hear your take.

[@robertboston9778]

BFT is a great legume to add to your legume blend. Much more tolerant of poor soil than alfalfa and not nearly as twitchy, browse/insects etc as alfalfa.

[@figandcloverranch5871]

So in fall if you wanna change from clover you just kill with 24d/gly a few weeks before plant ? Or just leave the plot as clover ?

[@Funski1000]

What is the best shade tolerant clover, and what is the most attractive clover to whitetails ?

[@mikkisprenkle2762]

Jeff, planting my clover this weekend in central Pa. Will plot start benefit the in a newly cleared mountain area or should I do a soil test and spread lime if necessary

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi Nikki, you always want to complete a soil test, but Plot Start will help immediately!

[@mikkisprenkle2762]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 thank you!! Absolutely plan to before planting to see where it is at. Appreciate all the videos and Kevan is awesome!

[@MegaBraunie]

do I need to fertilize my clover plots? We are Mid August, if so when? Thanks in advance.

[@gregallman3715]

With establishing a clover plot in the fall, the only time you can add rye is in that establishment year correct? Meaning once clover is established nothing else can grow because it smothers any seeds from the sun, correct. Just not wanting to waste any money.

[@robertboston9778]

In mid- Ohio we broadcast 150#/acre into established legume blend plots and it does marvelous. We broadcast and then cut he legumes with a brushhog to about 6". Greg - add a comment to a video on my channel - Jeff, rightly so, doesn't allow links in his channel comments. Wanted to show you evidence of the rye growing thru the legumes very well.

[@dmouse522]

That's what Jeff says. I, however, do it every year and it grows enough to be a positive thing. Maybe it's only because my clover is thinnish on my sandy soils. Rye is fairly cheap and if you have weak areas you at least have something there.

[@dmouse522]

And to be fair I'm talking about a small field..hardly a budget buster.

[@Droptinecreations]

So if you already have clover, you can’t add any cool season annual to it? Let’s say the clover is sparse, not covering completely, should I just over seed more clover?

[@JackFrostTheDeerHunter]

Preferred clover for Northern Zones is?

[@austinbuchholz9151]

I just bought white clover from my local elevator. That's what they recommend. I'm in northwest MN

[@twoTsquared]

Can you broadcast clover blend into buckwheat if you’re just starting a plot and working on building the soil?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

You certainly can at the end of the buckwheat plot when you terminate the buckwheat and kill it. Established a great stand of clover with brassica like that in 2007 😊

[@johannososkalo669]

If I broadcast my clover into the buckwheat, can I use just clover, and if so, at what rate? Or, should I mix it with brassica?

[@twoTsquared]

@@johannososkalo669 you can broadcast them beside each other but not together because they compete against each other. Rate should be what your seed provider recommends.

[@austinedwards9889]

Can buckwheat be mowed instead of crimped?

[@chadoverkamp9407]

I have a brassica plot from last year that I over seeded with rye in the fall Can I plant clover into this spring then mow rye out in a few months

[@ala5831]

Just seeded a bare brassica field yesterday with clover. It’s looking like we will be getting heavy rain tomorrow. Debating whether to pack it in with the tires.

[@jordankarnes923]

I may of missed it, but how many lbs. of oat per acre would I use in the fall with clover.

[@anthonyspiot223]

I believe he said 50 pounds per acre.

[@bryanwhite4388]

Have 40 acres & most of property is swampy but what could I plant in swampy ares for a food plot?

[@johnduellman5760]

I plan on planting ladino this spring in some lowland once they dry out and I can spray grass out. Would you plant oats along with this? How many pounds per acre of clover and oats would you put down?

[@kremercooutdoorliving2397]

If I'm trying to establish a clover/alfalfa plot will clethodim kill the alfalfa? I have rye grass and other invasive grasses that I want to spray but have a really nice established clover plot I don't want to kill

[@TheAyersoftChannel]

Very informative video. Putting in my first plot in a few weeks here in CT. To clarify, brassica should be planted with the clover in the initial seeding and then oat, rye, or wheat in 4-5 weeks when risk of frost is gone? Thanks for all of the information and explanation! Quite helpful for a first time plot

[@timhatfield6367]

#1thing control weeds first.

[@isaacswift-lv3yr]

Thanks Jeff!

[@Sandwichking-hikes]

I had planted some Durana clover end of last summer and it’s very hardy. Gets eaten down and pops right back.

[@05shep9]

What percentage glyphosate are you using?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

41%

[@matulala2000]

Near the end of the video you said you can’t spread seed into an established clover field, so what do you do if you want to plant into it?

[@MrRABland]

Would you plant perennial clover/chicory blend in the spring on trails connecting five small (1/4-1 acre) food plots in a 120-acre mature hardwood forest with little food and few deer with the intent of performing TSI and crop tree release in the next few years? The idea is to build the herd and pull deer from surrounding public land that was logged 20 years ago and is holding most of the deer.

[@naomicreech9870]

Good morning! I can’t remember if it was a newer video or an older video I was watching, sounds like you don’t want food where Don’t have a stand.. hence no food on the trail. Cutting trees back along their line of movement, will provide fresh woody brows and tips for them to eat.. 😊

[@finallyfriday.]

What are the 4 states you've yet to work in? Just curious.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

I've only worked in 26....several? TX, FL, LA, SC are a few I haven't worked in ..

[@finallyfriday.]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Oh, I thought you said 46. I was thinking Hawaii and Alaska... what could be the other two? (The man gets around, for sure!)

[@SerDiesel90]

From what you said, I assume you're just surface broadcasting and not working seed into the ground at all?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

I definitely never work or recommend to work clover into the ground. Just broadcast...

[@SerDiesel90]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 thank you

[@mattwallace1334]

How do you feel about mixing winter rye and clover this spring? I’m near Pembine wisconsin that has a few good inches of top soil then sand underneath. Do you think it will be established enough to make it through the august heat or should I just wait for the fall? Thank you!

[@justinstallman2618]

Do you suggest planting oats with a clover/chicory blend or is the chicory enough of a nurse crop?

[@GoGmacKGo]

Purchasing a property. Already an established clover plot. Do we just maintain that or do we need to add more seed every year?

[@beaulyons5554]

What setting do you set your spreader on for clover? I really like how you tell us those things. I know we all appreciate it.

[@joeellis2692]

The smallest setting first. Better to make multiple passes rather than get halfway and run out of seed.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thanks Beau! Roughly 1 to 1.25...best to start on the small size tho

[@beaulyons5554]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 thank you as always for your help.

[@salt-team-six5883]

What clover do you like best?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

I like my own perennial mix I developed 😊 www.whswildlifeblends.com/store/perennial-plot-power

[@kevintrick5942]

I plan to plant clover on cleared trails in a woods (already did soil test) in Ohio. I'd like to have fresh/prime clover during October through January. I've heard that if I plant it now, it will all be eaten and gone by hunting season. Is it best to wait til Aug/Sept to plant? Is it ok to plant it now to establish travel patterns on the trails and replant it in Aug/Sept if it gets eaten down by then? Really excited to hear back!

[@britttrumbower60]

Clover/chicory represents 2/3 of our food plots. We rotate 1/3 with spring/summer kill & ph adj with lime and/or calcium plus gly. June buckwheat. Aug Brassica. Late September winter wheat/rye. Follow with Frost seed clover/chicory the following March. The brassica bulbs break up the soil. The grains become a cover crop for frost-seeded clover which is easily eliminated late May early June. Side note: we switched to 4.5 oz /acre imox to manage clover. Very happy and it even knocked out out PA Smartweed (timing is everything with that nasty stuff).. keep an eye out in your clover beginning mid May. Hit it early. We will often spot spray imox 2nd time but it does the job. Great stuff Jeff! 8 new straps of switch added this year to soften edges and break up some larger fields.

[@grantnortman]

Jeff, I thought you don’t want summer food on your property? Isn’t clover a summer food source?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

In very small quantities it's ok...especially when surrounded by 100s of acres of alfalfa 😊 we will have 17 acres this year...around an acre of clover. Works great under these conditions as it doesn't establish a Summer doe herd. In a northern big woods setting it would be bad...or if a high % of our overall plots. Bottom line tho if we see piles of does hitting the clover we will kill it...but based on experience we won't have too.

[@user-xe8gm5xi3r]

Why plant clover or a perennial blend in the first place vs other plants?

[@luvbgrass]

I disagree with you on one thing. I have planted Clover for probably 10 years with good results, and the deer love it. I had heard that glyphosate, in weak form wouldn't hurt the clover. So I tried a little experiment on mine. We mixed 1oz per gallon and sprayed 1/3 of my clover patch. It had a decent amount of grass growing in it. I had high hopes for it. Glad I didn't spray the whole plot with it because it killed the 1/3 I sprayed dead as a hammer. I'm trying now to get that established back. If I'm missing some please let me know. Thanks, EE

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Never ever spray "ounces per gallon"...that's for farmers and highly calibrated spray RS...not food plotters. But, been spraying 1 ounce pet acre of Gly on clover for over 20 years now, also dozens of clients. It works...as long as not before a Summer drought.

[@luvbgrass]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Thanks for the reply Jeff. So, I guess I had it mixed a little too stout maybe. As the old farmers would say. 😂

[@alanwhite4839]

Once ounce per acre?

[@luvbgrass]

@@alanwhite4839 That may work ok. I'm just a little gun shy of trying it again right now. I will say I did probably have it mixed to strong. I wasn't spraying any where close to an acre. It was maybe a quarter acre and I didnt spray all of that. My bad, as they say.

[@alanwhite4839]

@@luvbgrass I’m just saying 1 ounce per acre is very weak and I doubt it will kill anything. I think that may be a misprint?

[@kevinb6583]

Weed control - are you putting 24D and gly in the sprayer at the same time or separately?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

You can combine...1 pint per acre of 2-4D and 2 quarts per acre of Gly. Works great!

[@kevinb9867]

Thanks!

[@bowman8316]

Clover ! Yayyy ☘☘☘

[@joelanderson2762]

do you use 24db ?

[@darrenturcotte7799]

I just bought some cost me 700$ for 20 acres worth. I’m planning on hitting it after the third trifoliate so eliminate any last weeds or Aspen coming up in my plot.

[@rhinogames9856]

Clover and birds foot?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Great lowland perennial I first planted nearly 25 years ago...good stuff!

[@Funski1000]

Yessir

[@davidtrow5211]

Clover in the woods? Yes or no?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Yes...as long as it gets several hours of sunlight per day 👍

[@wagonwheel9426]

Have you seen deer refusing to eat brassica?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Yes, about 10-15% of the time. Mostly big ag areas with low to moderate deer numbers. If Jake and canola makes up the brassica mix that magnifies the problem. Also if there is no other food source alongside to establish a pattern of use early in the season.

[@stevespeltz9785]

I just don't like the idea of using chemicals. Is there any way I can get a good food plot of clover without it?

[@naomicreech9870]

Fourth 😊

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Haha...great job 😁

[@Andrew-sanders]

This video is a month old. Next week I will be bailing red clover tomorrow will be mid 90. Your time frame to spray and plant don't work. Deer not even touching clover anymore. done moved to better types of browse mostly blackberry and green Brier. Or on my plots of peas and soy. Oats heading wheat heading out time to bail them. June 1st for clover they wouldn't even look at as they walked by. How about nov 1st to plant clover would be closer to right time

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Our snow just left the woods 3 weeks ago. ..and this video was out out 6 weeks ago. You are a little late to the party, son. The idea isn't to plant clover for the summer right now...it is for the hunting season. If you plant now you use oats as a cover plot and mow in July sometime. Then enjoy clover for the Fall. Nov would be a silly time to plant clover. On snow. Instead, the best would be planting clover in August with brassica...or with cereal grains a month later. Stay on the channel, watch a few vids, learn and then come back to the comment section when you are more accurately informed and can offer quality comments or questions to help folks. Well I guess you just did...but not how you think 😉

[@Andrew-sanders]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 more informed okay I planted oats to harvest 2 months ago read comment they are heading out and about ready to bale your just past frost date maybe I have had tomatoes in ground a month your vidios are for northern climate only. Tomorrow will be mid 90s not your 60s

[@gaigehinspeter2159]

First 😂

[@bear9923]

TALKS TOO FAST

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Have someone take notes for you 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@lindak5036]

Round up Never!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

It's the weakest herbicide you can use ..I'm with you! Atrazine, Clethodim, Quincloric, Resicore, 2-4D...MUCH stronger and stays in the soil to keep killing for up to 11 months. Roundup dies when it hits the soil. So I agree 😉 I think everyone should use stronger chemicals than Round up, which is all of them...

[@svenadicci1981]

Wow, I’m really surprised. You lost me with Round Up. You couldn’t pay me to put that stuff anywhere on my land. I don’t care how hard it is to deal with weeds. With all we know about these chemicals, I’ll be finding a better way.

[@troymuche8997]

Typical lib