How to Play Index Grey Knights in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition

[@aversion7140]

Teleport assault is separate from deep strike, as the keywords triggering each are separate. Stratagems also make a distinction that teleport assault is not a deepstrike (even though it uses the rules of deepstrike for its return) Which means, yes, we can Teleport Assault on turn 1. We can also deepstrike on turn 1 with one unit with a leader with First to the Fray

[@itsjustj6205]

14:20

[@Karak-Fak]

They’re just confirming 😉

[@xMcNultyx]

What about setting them up 6" away from the boards edge and what about enemy delpoyment zone? It just says 9" away from enemies.

[@ryandemont2738]

Turn 1 but only if your opponent gets the first turn, and you didn't hold them in reserves but instead picked them up off the table at the end of your opponent's turn.

[@Apollo580]

First time 40k player. This pushed me over the edge and my first army is gray knights

[@austinfrykas6696]

same mate

[@Jackson-lt4xk]

Me too

[@micahwhite9603]

same

[@Alex-u6n5l]

Grey*

[@Apollo580]

@@Alex-u6n5l 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@timothyfowler4118]

This video was so very helpful. I haven't played my grey knights in 10th yet. Watched the video, built my first test army for ACO and just beat a tournament Ork list that has gone 6-0 in the last 2 RTTs, 80-46. Maxed out secondaries turn 4.

[@dmck1436]

Vanguard, I have to say, that was a superbly well done video with the visual overlays and the commentary. What a wonderful reminder of how far your content has come since channel launch. Kudos!

[@t0k3p0k3]

I do like the idea of dropping crowe and purifiers within 3"

[@hostilegalaxyandkitchentab6456]

Maybe was already mentioned but don't forget Librarian gives 4+++ against psychic. Means if you do "perils" with a 1 on Vortex of Doom you can shrug. 🙂

[@yokogaijinjr.5061]

I think that is more of an hazardous roll

[@AaronA90]

@@yokogaijinjr.5061 Rules Commentary indicates that the mortal wounds from the ability count as 'Psychic Attacks', so the hood provides protection against that.

[@alexzero3736]

What does that three + means?

[@許睿哲-w1g]

​@@alexzero3736++means invulnerable save,+++mean FNP

[@dalekayse4916]

Unrelated to gray Knights. Just wanted to say appreciated your input over in the DG group over on FB. You're entirely right and its disappointing to see the community act the way it has been. Was nice to actually see someone else share the same viewpoint. Appreciate what you guys do o/

[@wokehammer40k]

Loving these factions focus vids! Super helpful!

[@TheRamoach]

I really like crowe with the purifiers. if they get into rapid fire range, theyre pumping out 24 flame shots + 44 storm bolter shots! 68 shots + the -1 ap bonus when they have high ground.

[@noahlockard7101]

Id take 4 flamers lol

[@TheRamoach]

@@noahlockard7101 omg i forgot about their alternate weapon options. yup, id be taking 4 of those too XD

[@fendelphi]

About the Nemesis Dreadknight(regular), Tankshock is an average of 5 MW when using the Nemesis Daemon Greathammer. So you can move 14", shoot, then charge it with Tankshock and wollop it with the hammer. If you have a GK Techmarine to support it, even better. A bit expensive, so it will need good targets to engage. The mobility makes it less reliant on CP compared to several of the other units, meaning they will have an easier time of it as well.

[@JasperXoR]

Good content even months later. Thanks for the video!

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Thank you for another great faction analysis!

[@waynehieatt5962]

First to the Fray on a Captain leading a 10 man Terminator squad is so fecking powerful

[@star6minis]

No. 1 40K KZbin channel!

[@VanguardTactics]

Thank you so much. Really means a lot

[@VilzeTSF]

Please do Thousand Sons, would really like some insight from you guys on how to play them. A bit confusing as a new player

[@primafacie5029]

Tsons did well

[@josetrevino7143]

Can’t wait for the course to start!

[@sabalmal1288]

Wow impressive, used a helbrect model to make Draigo. Looks outstanding!

[@Thedagda801]

Superb analysis!

[@hillno]

Wow great content! Keep it up!!!

[@Evohunter7]

They sound exactly how I want to play. Hero-Hammer plus speed and versatility.

[@real-lomas-chenko]

The initial teaser .ade me go out and start a grey knights army. Love their movement shenanigans. Got em from outpost too, it's my flgs. I said hello at the rtt stephen

[@kaibe5241]

Yup. Same :D

[@piotrjeske4599]

And how are you doing month later, still in to grey knights.

[@saintthamior]

Probably missed this somewhere, but where does that head/helmet come from on his librarian? I’ve looked around and can’t seem to find it. Custom maybe?

[@MrCBennett100]

How to play Sororitas from Mylr Matryred Lady please!

[@fendelphi]

I have an important question for you guys. It is about First to the Fray(FttF from now on). The short version of the question is, does it allow a Landraider to Deep Strike, or is the transport only allowed to enter from a board edge? To elaborate. FttF states that it can only be added on a model with Deep Strike. This is kind of redundant, as there are no GK characters without Deep Strike. So there must be some kind of reason for why they mention this. Then it is mentioned that "neither the unit, nor any transport they are -embarked within-, is counted towards any limits the mission places on the number of Strategic Reserves Units you can have". So the unit can be in reserve, inside a transport. It then goes on to saying "That unit can be deployed using its Deep Strike ability...". It does not add "or from a board edge, as usual for transports". Only Deep Strike. For a unit embarked in a transport. If we look at the fluff text for FttF, we have this: "Whether braving premature teleportation assaults or leaping from the hatch of a transport still aglow from atmospheric entry..." which suggest that transports are indeed dropped right into the middle of things, as if it was a drop pod.

[@RJ77S]

Those grey knights are very easy to beat I love it

[@CELESTIALPRAETORIAN]

Can y’all do Space Wolves

[@kenusaga]

17:40 Where did this Kaldor Draigo model come from?

[@matty6720]

Converted from black Templar model, marshall helbrect I think

[@agility8]

Yes, it is Helbrecht model, with Voldus head and a regular nemesis sword. The demon slayed is the ork from the Helbrecht kit but without the head. And the shield is the original from Draigo.

[@pcwangfamily]

Can we get a video on the rest of the starter boxes like sisters if battle?

[@sockMonster241]

Not being able to pop transports has been a huge problem since 7th edition at least. All these tricks are fun, but I don't see this army performing well at all if they can't actually kill what they shoot at.

[@Buattro]

Is there any particular army you can see this playing well against?

[@sockMonster241]

@@Buattro Things have changed since I wrote this for GK. Giving the Dread Knights an extra -1AP and ignore cover has made them decent against vehicles. Still, the best thing to do with Grey Knights is to ignore the enemy heavy armor, kill ALL of their infantry, then play hide and seek and score on secondary's. Librarians are also a great option for killing vehicles, so if ignoring heavy armor isn't an option in your meta, take 3 librarians and a few Grand Master Dread Knights, at least 1 with Sigil. Grey Knights in general seem to do great against infantry forward armies and win games against armies with T12+ vehicles pretty well if they can just run around and ignore them. They do poorly when the mission draws aim them at having to take out monsters or vehicles, or storm objectives with big stuff on top of them. Any objective that asks them to be mobile they basically auto score, which is why they can out run most lists with a few large models.

[@Buattro]

@@sockMonster241Thanks for coming back and responding to an old comment. I am wanting to get into the hobby and trying to decide on a good starter army and GK seemed interesting and your original comment definitely made me think, so I appreciate the response. It was either GK or Astra militarum.

[@sockMonster241]

@@Buattro I play Grey Knights regularly. My opinion of the army has changed a lot since I wrote that original comment. They're very unique with a high skill ceiling. They're extremely mobile, which means you basically win or lose the game in the movement phase. There's a lot of ways to score victory points in 10th edition besides just killing everything on the board, so objectives that focus on board control and getting behind enemy lines to perform actions and things like that really suit them. Guard is more your standard 40k army. It's fun and it has a lot of options. Your infantry won't be nearly as killy as Grey Knights or half as durable, but you'll get like 100 of them haha. Overall, my voice is Grey Knights. They're very fun to play and have a lot of crazy strategies.

[@KukoDane]

Could "Death from the Warp" be used on a 10 man Purifier squad with 4 incenerators, would it also give assault to their Purifying flame ranged attack?? Because with Crowe that is just insane clearing. Because those 4 Incenerators, Rabid fire on 6 Stormbolters and 20 Purifying flames (just counting the unit not Crowe) Is legit awesome.

[@jordanfuller6867]

They are counted as ranged weapons now so purifying flame would get assault. Don’t forget that +1 to hit.

[@last2nkow]

the tank weakness bothers me, so im looking at the Knight allies rules with a side eye to my trio of meta chainsaw bois as a curve ball.

[@xMcNultyx]

Well I teleport 9" away from the tank, charge and hammer ist down. Easy :)

[@Uglehytten]

Hello Vanguards and Steve. I think you have mentioned it somewhere, I just cannot recall it - where did you get that shield you use on your Draigo Conversion ? It looks so awesome :) Love your channel, keep up the positive vibes. Cheers from Denmark.

[@Andres0082]

I'm just starting the hobby with Leviathan and I am thinking of branching to GK, will the Combat Patrol box be enough or what else would I need to have an army? Thank you in advance.

[@Neocorey11]

If you're feeling super crafty you can kitbash/convert some of the Leviathan models to Grey Knights.

[@animefan8254]

With the interceptors the move 6 after 18 with the strategem whats stopping them from moving into engagement range for combat

[@tomchrisblackburn407]

First, i sooooo badly regret selling my grey knights army.... Nobody ever sell your armies!!!! They are looking sooooo goooood and a boat load of fun to play !! Great tips guys keep UP the excellent work!!

[@VT_Jord]

Thank you Tom! Grey Knights are looking very very fun in 10th aren't they 😂😂

[@tomchrisblackburn407]

@@VT_Jord just a Quick question, nothing to do with grey knights, are you all gonna do a video like this one for custodes?

[@VT_Jord]

@@tomchrisblackburn407 of course man!! We will do one for every faction eventually ☺️

[@piotrjeske4599]

Still feeling bad about selling?

[@tomchrisblackburn407]

@@piotrjeske4599 yeap, and always will

[@borissukoi564]

My best friend plays Gray Knights and i play orks...how would one go about ruining his day as he teleports about hiding from a good krumpin? what sort of strategy should i run against these sneaky beekies. thanks

[@UnexpectedInquisition]

Dreadknight are also OC 4 ;)

[@secondstage4272]

If I add a brotherhood champion to a unit of 10 strike marines is he an addition? so 10 models plus the champion as the 11th model?

[@sakkiebasson2052]

Could we get some example lists from your test games?

[@EditedJoker24]

I have a big question on how the army rule works for GK and can’t seem to find any solid ruling on it. Does the army rule allow GK models to be placed within the enemy deployment zone on turn 2?

[@Wildtaz]

I would say yes there is no limit on it except for the 9" and I'm pretty sure GW would have stated a limit in the paragraph of Teleport Assault . 1. it does not state putting them in to strategic reserves or reinforcements, just remove them from the table 2. Anywhere 🤪 1: Once you have made your selections, remove those units from the battlefield. 2: In the Reinforcements step of your next Movement phase 3: set each of those units up anywhere on the battlefield 4: that is more than 9" horizontally away from all enemy models. thats pretty damn strong too

[@Harakiri404]

20:26 Poor choice of words there... no more hammers for the Hammers of Titan.

[@MeAndSomeRandoms]

Sorry a little confused, why give Death From The Warp to Nemesis Dreadknights specifically, those are already allowed to Advance and Shoot because of their Datasheet Ability [Empyric Reprisal (Psychic): This model is eligible to shoot and declare a charge in a turn in which it Advanced or Fell Back] of course +1 To Hit is nice, but I think I might prefer targeting a big Interceptor Unit? Move 12" Auto Advance 6" Shoot unit on an objective or something and use thei ability [Personal Teleporters: In your Shooting phase, after this unit has shot, if it is not within Engagement Range of one or more enemy units, it can make a Normal move of up to 6" as if itwere your Movement phase. If it does, until the end of theturn, this unit is not eligible to declare a charge.] to either contest the objective or get back in cover. I think that might create more value than giving a single Nemesis Dreadknight a +1 To Hit. If you don't want to miss out on the +1 To Hit I also see a place for a BROTHERHOOD TECHMARINE in a Nemesis Dreadknight list.

[@HiatoPDSS]

Forgot to mention First to the Fray also makes your unit not count towards the point limit of reserves

[@Grintendo]

What have you done to Helbrecht? 😢

[@piotrjeske4599]

26:35 "this units AP" cant be reduced....looks at GK ap....reduced from what to what? Also no mention thst the GK master has a once per game 0cp rule, while the marine one has it once per TURN.

[@sionwhittaker]

Sorry folks incorrect you can rapid ingress and 1st to the fray trun 1. If you look at rapid ingress it says as if it were your reinforcement. Also if you compare FttF wording with the regular deep strike wording. By the current wording you are suggesting you could never rapid ingress

[@Mad9247]

Hi, would you put the Sigil of Exigence Champion in a strike Squad of 5 or 10 ?

[@jonathankelly4222]

Use the beam in strat, score your objective and then have the redeploy teleport again to get back out of there. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Dozing09]

Unfortunately, mission rules state that you can't come down in range to control an objective. You have to make your way onto the point via other means if you want to try to claim it. I do think it's stupid how this isn't mentioned in the gray knights book or in the core rulebook, but only on the mission rules for missions that have claimable objectives.

[@manolo21B]

If Stern stands up, is he still part of his former unit?

[@alexzero3736]

What about Purgation Squad??? And did i got it right Psychic Brotherhood is No More?

[@piotrjeske4599]

Purgation after the nerf are a dead option, and brotherhood of psyker is no more.

[@zinkaghost6490]

Ehh they feel situational. They do get to negate cover on whatever they are shooting if another unit has full visibility on it

[@fendelphi]

@@zinkaghost6490 No, they get to use Indirect Fire(can shoot target without line of sight) as long as another Grey Knight Psyker unit has visibility of the target. As the target is still not visible to the shooting unit, it still gets the benefit of cover and the -1 to hit. So it is only really beneficial to Incinerators most of the time. All this ability does, is allowing the unit to shoot at things it cant see itself. Which is really situational.

[@MerryMac1000]

Prognosticated prog-nos-tea-kay-ted .

[@thomasstraw8352]

Zoomie Knights

[@F4xP4s]

Deathwatch?

[@jkellyid]

The only problem with grey knights is nothing in this army can really handle big stuff. That and anti psyker stuff in 10 th really hurts their viability

[@eskhaphey2873]

Some things to note is that the Death from the Warp stratagem you can use in your Movement Phase until the end of that Movement Phase... Getting Assault and a +1 to hit is fantastic... but completely pointless if it only happens in the Movement Phase :| Chaplain has the standard +1 to wound ability to units that the Chaplain has joined... Chaplain doesn't even have the Leader keyword so can't join units XD My plan is to have two Purgation units with maximum Incinerators have a Brotherhood Champion join them, and have them get thrown at the enemy via Teleport Assault :D

[@alexzero3736]

So HQ guys now do join units???

[@eskhaphey2873]

@@alexzero3736 there are no HQ Units anymore, characters have become independant characters once again, but are restricted to certain units

[@fendelphi]

Just for others reading this comment now, both the Stratagem and the Chaplain have been corrected now, so they are actually useful. ;)

[@alexzero3736]

@@fendelphi never used Chapplain, I don't have a proper model

[@alantheschmallan1933]

Yeaaah... Compare a GK terminator to a Custodes guardian... They are the same cost but the custodes has more movement, more toughness, better shooting, more rules and abilities, better melee, armywide mw-save 4+... Dont bother against them, or eldars

[@zinkaghost6490]

Wild thay everyone and there beother was swearing gk was gonnna be a top armg but they currently at a 33% win rate. Eck

[@Avxes]

Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ha….ok. Ok. Ok. 😂😂

[@jjojo4016]

i mean normal jim did good. but you could tell nerd ned had dismantled him 6 days from sunday with everything he said.

[@Dominik189]

So they're old school Eldar and absolutely NOTHING like what grey knights are supposed to be.

[@carlinbrown1114]

seriosus fucking flamag4e3

[@daltonyoakum6504]

outpost doesnt ship to USA....damnit....take us back

[@Billchungus-e3e]

Yay were fast.....and we lost everything that makes us pskyers. We're fast marine with no anit armor or real sources of DMG

[@Nicolord45]

Watch us charge our way down to the 30% winrate

[@Marmite037]

@@Nicolord45 curremtly 25% xddd

[@davidsauer3155]

I've been playing grey knights only since the end of 6th eddition. My army has been lacking unit/sqaud selection choice options since then. Our only new model is a single hq choice. Other armies got pleanty of new models/sqauds/units to play with. Since 6th eddition til now we got nemisis dread knights and a hq. We have had restriction upon restriction placed on our choices and it sucks. 10 eddition has made me wana take a dam hammer to all my army and destroy them. They completly removed the psycic phase from the game and this phase made our faction unique. Now there diffrent painted ultra merines. A sad cookie cutter replicant of every other space marine army. They took what was a secondary use of our army, (telepotation) and made it the only sole thing that makes us unique into the main thing our army is good at. Basicly they said we can run away from battle easier. I play if my grey knight falls back. I end the game becouse my whole army turns away from the enemy and hunts the deserter down for extermination. And gw made them all masters of fleeing from a fight. Soo pissed off. They took all my units psycic spells away from all my units except drago, a libraion, and maybe another unit but compaired to all previous edditions all units/sqauds/independant charectors had spells they can cast that gave my faction flexability and something of an edge and uniqness from other factions. Now we have the same acesses to psycic spells as any other space marine faction. OUR FACTION HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A RUNNING JOKE! I am boycotting 10th eddition completly. I may even stop buying any warhammer product at all. I have no faction anymore. I'm soo dam mad!

[@nnnnnccccc]

but why are grey knights still squats :(

[@etherd]

How to play Grey knights. Step 1 put them on the shelf and play a better army. Got 'Em!

[@MrMeloff]

I could tell you were biting your tongue on the truly horrid aspects of this index lol. It's cute right now, it needs quite a bit of work to be truly competitive.

[@chrismellow3947]

I wrote a Grey Knights list in 5 minutes while watching this. It was the least fulfilling experience I've had as a 40k fan. Bland, uninvolved and at the end of it I was so unenthused I ended up not wanting to play and instead of going to the game, stayed at home and watched TV....really enjoying tenth so far 🙄

[@cmleibenguth]

I don't like the changes to Grey Knights

[@anontwo4667]

REALLY LAME TO PLAY AGAINST

[@piotrjeske4599]

This didn't age well, hope no noob watches this and thinks GK are safe to start in 10th.

[@speaktome4778]

Noob checking in with my brand new GK Combat Patrol! 🤩 Nah but don't worry I knew the worst of it from Auspex even before buying and just stumbled across this video today. At least the "we don't really have much for anti-tank" and "have a tough time cracking hard targets" was accurate.

[@kaibe5241]

My god… the butchering of the English language.. is he secretly a yank?!?

[@ramadansteve1715]

No one butchers the English language worse than the English lmao

[@GetterRay]

This video should be taken down! This is the kind of content that I subscribe to Warhammer+ for and pay every month to get, but this video is free! It directly devalues my purchase and support of Warhammer+ by videos of equal or even greater quality than those that are exclusive to paying customers like me. SMH. Games Workshop needs to do something about this and remove videos like this, ASAP.

[@Wildtaz]

Many, Many, Many channels have "Deep Dives" and "Tactical Talks" . There is nothing wrong with making a quality video about Warhammer or GW products. just because you subscribe to Warhammer+ (I'm a subscriber too) does not give you the right to devalue others contributions to the community, or demand things. this in and of it self is an entitled attitude, and I'm sorry you can not see that Vanguard Tactics only wishes to enrich the community with their knowledge of the game, and peak others interest about our hobby.

[@ArcanoSilverwind]

Wtf is wrong with you

[@Pyriel2]

Yeah how do you play GK, an army that deals ZERO damage? Grand masters - give a strat for 0 cost ONCE per game. A normal SM captain gives 0 cost strat every turn. Seems gk got the shitend of the deal. The army feels like you run jumping grots with 2+ saves that do just as much damage as grots, none.

[@fendelphi]

To be fair, Captains do not have stratagems that allows them to redeploy a unit if an enemy moves close or make you immune to shooting against any unit beyond 12". Could you imagine being able to use any of the GK Stratagems for free on 3 different units, each turn?

[@Pyriel2]

@@fendelphi Yes as it stands now that would be a must. The so called good GK are utter crap and at the 30% bottom. Thats what you get when you have an army of pathetic stormbolters and nothing else priced at 300p per 10.

[@fendelphi]

@@Pyriel2 Storm Bolters are actually very good weapons. If you have the right things to support it(like a way to get Lethality and enhance AP like Astra Militarum does), that is. Unfortunately, GK do not have such options, so it is mostly just an anti-fodder weapon. Which is not bad, if the meta involved a lot of low cost, low armored models. As it is now though, they simply have to focus solely on taking and stealing objectives and secondaries, which they are decently good at. It is just not that appealing. Also, isnt their Strike Squad 270 per 10?

[@Pyriel2]

@@fendelphi 300p for 10 interceptors. Sure but gk are stuck with stormbolters. Your 40+ points mini is thus armed with a plastic spoon and can change that for another plastic spoon. Try damaging vehicles or monsters with this. Oh yeah they can almost always jump away like wow, games are not won by running away from enemy units after shooting at them with a few water pistols when you pay 27-45p per mini.