How To Play Ladder/Popdog on Train CT side - frozen

[@mahone_tv]

Apologies if you are early, the 1080p processing will be done soon - I also want to mention that there was so much I learned about playing ladder while creating this video, I hope this helps you!

[@melvin6966]

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[@mahone_tv]

@@markkhrushalin6581 thank you! thanks for the suggestion, look out for a video in the future on this!

[@muffinatin]

I loved how you show the ways frozen can die in ladder. I think too often, people (not necessarily on your channel) only show the successful parts but it's important to know what to watch out and how you can die.

[@mahone_tv]

thank you! this was all because there was a comment recently on about how I should mention the ways that you could be countered.. so I put a little bit of that in this one!

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[@mahone_tv]

Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated and it goes a long way in continuing to produce more valuable content for everyone!

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[@mahone_tv]

haha that's honestly not something I think about! thanks for the comment

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

thank you so much! I really appreciate that, is there any spot in particular you'd like to see?

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The time and effort put into this video is insane, big thank you. keep up!

[@mahone_tv]

thank you! much appreciated, I'm glad you found it helpful!

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[@mahone_tv]

thanks for your support as always! yes the Reddit post as well as HenryG's tweet has been huge on the channel's growth. can't thank all of you guys enough, the ones who've been on my channel for a while!

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[@mahone_tv]

thank you! I'm glad you found it useful, much appreciated!

[@Iustusian]

Would you do a full game POV breakdown? The ESL Pro League Season 10 Finals saw Frozen ace from pop in a double overtime game. Breaking down all the decisions and variations round by round would be awesome.

[@mahone_tv]

I don't have any plans to do that, but if there is a large demand that I create a full game breakdown, I'm open to it!

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

thanks so much! I don't have any recent videos on that topic that follow this type of format, but I do have older ones that cover it. I'll make sure to make a video on that soon!

[@RemyALind]

Nice video, thanks for this!

[@mahone_tv]

thank you! much appreciated

[@1m2ogaming]

My pathing towards pop in faceit games was so bad so i stoped playing it. Now can go back to it. :D

[@mahone_tv]

Happy to hear that it's inspired you to play pop again!

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[@mahone_tv]

frozen is nuts

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At 8:34 Virtus Pro throw 3 Molotovs at the STOP sign of which 2 are completely wasted.

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

Happy you found my channel through that reddit post! Thanks so much, much appreciated! Yeah pretty sure it was a failed molly, but it still accomplished what he was trying to do 😋

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@lobster_facts]

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[@mahone_tv]

this is in the works!

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[@mahone_tv]

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[@mahone_tv]

Thank you my man, love your support as always

[@EdibleOstriche]

i think showing more "failure" is important. showing the ways you can mess up and die is the best way to learn how to play. i feel like alot of this was showing frozen get 3 crazy kills and say "so just molly them and insta headshot the guy."

[@mahone_tv]

Hey, appreciate the comment. Firstly I agree that showing the ways you can be countered is important, and I should try to show more of those. However I disagree that this video was "showing frozen getting 3 crazy kills." In his highlight moments (which was arguably only 3 clips out of a 10 min video), they were only possible because of the timing of his utility and how he created positional advantages from using it. In my opinion, they were not highlight moments at all, there was actually nothing crazy about any of those "highlight moments." It was fundamental counter-strike principles being applied at the right time by properly recognizing the situation. At the pro level, everyone can aim, so that's really not why frozen gets these kills. Much of this video was meant to show how to fight with utility in ladder room, and understanding how to use them to get more favorable fights, positions, and situations. Half the video is simply showing his reactions to various different things that happen to him when he plays in ladder room. There are no kills to be shown here. It's demonstrating how he can maintain control of ladder room while also working with his teammates to manage particular areas of the map.

[@EdibleOstriche]

@@mahone_tv i was mostly talking about the latter half of the video where hes not in popdog, and it was just him taking fights and winning. Even that smoke pop denial should have been traded imo.

[@mahone_tv]

@@EdibleOstriche While you're correct about him winning these fights, these fights are not 50/50 fights. These fights were all mostly in frozen's favour. When he's playing towards that ebox area, notice that in both cases I show, he kills the 2nd player who comes out T conn. This is not necessarily a coincidence, he does this because the second player is usually less suspecting of the ebox angle as normally the first player who comes out would take contact first. In addition, ebox as a spot is one where you can peek both on the left and right sides, and in some of these cases (I didn't show the enemy POV), the player either wasn't able to commit properly to either angle or had their attention elsewhere. To me, this doesn't count as simply taking fights and winning them if you have an advantage on your side. As far as the pop through sandwich smoke round, I disagree. I actually think it's quite hard to trade that type of kill, and this is mostly due to the nature of the pop play in the first place. Because they're moving forward trying to clear whatever they can off the flash, it makes it difficult to trade someone who plays at bomb train because he could have easily been in the center of bomb train, behind bomb train on the ground, or on the bomb train (which is the spot he killed them from). This isn't a fair fight either as he has 3 available angles compared to simply 1 that the T has. If they hadn't used a flash to pop through the smoke, and cleared it more normally with good spacing, then I would agree that he should have been traded.

[@EdibleOstriche]

@@mahone_tv youre saying at 6:49 you believe he was favored in that situation? and that you dont believe he shoulda been traded? you say that the 2nd player is less likely to be looking there, but it was clearly called by the first rifler out that he was there, and they saw his flash. i would also like to point out that during the sandwich pop the players are really not looking at good spots. trainstop, ivy and bombtrain headshot are the 3 angles they need to clear, but for somereason neither of them really look at that part of default. sanji swings insanely wide and would have probably died to any angle. maybe frozen was in a good spot for a single kill, but that should be a tradeable frag for the ts. i assume that ivy is smoke off which makes it even more egregious that this is untraded. especially since there is a player in popdog doing god knows what at 9:12 he gets 2 kills on players pushing up z wall. i dont know how you can say this isnt a case of frozen taking a fight and winning it when he should have been traded. this is literally the ONLY angle that they could have been peeked from (you could argue heaven but the odds of someone swinging on close wall from heaven might as well be 0) theres alot of good stuff in your videos, but no one is learning anyone from watching frozen 1 deag someone over the top of a smoke. just showing that hte angle is possible doesnt really help because most people watching already know this. if youre playing against executes on train youve likely played this spot before. showing what NOT to do in that spot helps much more than saying, oh he peeks behind a flash and gets 2 kills, oh he looks over a smoke and deags 2 pro players. its my constructive criticism. you can take it however you want. i would be disappointed if you werent able to see where im coming from here.

[@mahone_tv]

@@EdibleOstriche at 6:49, frozen peeks with his flash and that's how he gets the 1st kill on the second player coming out. The comms to call him at this spot could not have been that fast. If you watch this from buster's POV, he's not initially looking at him when he comes out which is why he dies. The second kill, he knows the person is going to be posted up from ladder because he threw the molly to delay the crunch. The person posted does not know if/when he's going to peek, as frozen could even just stay alive here and let his teammates take contact next. The 3rd kill is the fairest out of all 3 kills here, and even then frozen could still peek from both the left side or right side of ebox. Although not as extreme, an example of this is someone playing pit on dust2. You could already know that someone is in pit, but it doesn't necessarily make it that easy to take him down. It's not a coincidence that frozen typically only plays ebox and bombtrain when he's not inside ladder room. On the sandwich pop, buster does actually look at train-stop/back bombtrain but it's smoked (a smoke that frozen threw). Even the fact that it's smoked here already makes this an unfair fight. SANJI swings wide because he's clearing center bombtrain as this is a common spot, and he's relying on buster to clear the back bombtrain area. frozen gets the first kill on buster because it's not immediately obvious what he should be checking (could be top back bomb, could be bottom back bomb, could be using the smoke to 1 way, could even be heaven). Sure, maybe frozen shouldn't have gotten two if the Ts peeked this better, but this isn't a tradable kill with the approach that they use. The whole idea is to use the flash to push the player off the angle, get the information of where he is, and then go for the trade. But in this circumstance because frozen hid as the flash popped, they didn't get that initial information, and aren't able to trade as they normally would be able to. At 9:12, this is far from a fair fight. Even if you know that he's there still doesn't make it fair. For example, on Mirage If you're T defaulting underpass and peeking towards connector. If the connector player throws the bottom connector smoke to use it as a 1 way to hold you coming up underpass, you could already know the spot that he's holding it from, but that doesn't mean you should peek him. It's still a disadvantageous fight. It's the same here with this scenario, except the T has no option as this is part of their tactic. You may have already known about using this 1 way, but not everyone does. The reason why there aren't examples of what not to do is because pro players don't do that. Most of the time they die is either because they get countered or they're placed in a bad scenario where it's already difficult to win the fights. That's the reason why they're pro players; they're already making what's usually a great decision given the circumstances and information they're given. Are there better decisions that they could make in some of these circumstances? Absolutely, that's why there are skill differences among top teams. But there are not many cases at all where their decision is completely wrong and that no one should ever do it. And I'm glad that you've shared your criticism. I appreciate it, and the whole reason why I even take the time to respond is because I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. With your initial comment I was confused, because nearly half the video he doesn't even get any kills really. If I didn't value what you had to say, I wouldn't care to reply. What I've learned from this interaction is that I may need to take more time to explain some of these clips in more detail. I already try to exclude most clips where it really is just "simply winning the fight," as there isn't much I can explain regarding the intent. Thanks!