How to Play Pathfinder - Classes & Alignment - S1E2

[@arklytte]

Have to say, this is very cool. You folks not only created a thorough and well tutorial on PF classes, you made it entertaining and just silly enough to be fun. Kudos and well done!

[@Battfro]

I know this is restricted to the core rulebook and you even mentioned that when saying so, but ninja is an official pathfinder class. It is an alternate class for the rogue. It can be viewed here legally due to the OGL not considering the internet: www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/alternate-classes/ninja . I know you chaps know, by the way, this is for the people who are new to the system watching the video.

[@Savingthrowshow]

Yep, Pathfinder has an incredibly rich class selection to choose from. But we wanted to keep this simple. Thanks for pointing out that it is varied. Not to mention all the homebrews!

[@ChronicNOTAG]

Saving Throw Would it be possible to play as an half-elf or human alienist and call him the Doctor? Because I totally would do that.

[@Savingthrowshow]

ChronicNOTAG I... I don't see why not? Allons-y!

[@ChronicNOTAG]

Saving Throw That's it, my path has been found! I'm going to play as the doctor, with maximum knowledge of the technical and arcana. Also, thanks for quoting David Tennant. I last saw him in Broadchurch. I miss him. Haah, even though he was playing a troubled police officer, all I could see was the Doctor's clone having lost Rose. It didn't help that the guy who played Rory was playing a priest in the series either.

[@melissacameron9105]

Thank you so much I have never played tablet top before and my friends wanted to play they sent me the book and my brain melted this is just what I needed

[@Savingthrowshow]

Aw that's fantastic to hear! Good luck and have fun!!

[@TaylorOfTheNorth]

really like these. just started pathfinder and the books are amazingly overwhelming when you first start so this was clear and helpful

[@Savingthrowshow]

That's awesome! Welcome to the wonderful world of Pathfinder!

[@richardplass9262]

"The druid is a goddamn hippie!"

[@ozzymadnius]

Okay, using futurama and DC for alignment reference? Amazing!

[@bradleykirwan]

"Master of the Bush!" Nicely done Amy!

[@skipthesparrow2905]

I wasn't super into episode 1, but seeing how much fun your all having made me keep watching. I love how this series carries the tone of an actual Pathfinder campaign!

[@Masterchief0521]

I'm glad they toned down the cheese

[@thesupergeek]

Wait, is THIS toned down cheese? Or are you saying they tone down the cheese later... because this...

[@josiahklein70]

Big Baby Blue Eyes I like cheese.

[@TheKodiak72]

at 1:04 Im glad she said "Not in the core rulebook" and not no there isnt. In Ultimate Combat its a class, There ends up being close to 40 classes for Pathfinder.

[@Savingthrowshow]

+TheKodiak72 Yeah, we knew what we were doing. ;)

[@AshleyStoleTheCookie]

I started playing sometime last year and these videos are helped me out a lot as a new player. Just looking over them again cause I wanted to :P And chaotic neutral is my alignment and the best alignment. Just go places doing whatever I want but CHAOTICALLY!

[@Savingthrowshow]

Thanks for watching!! And so glad they've helped you!

[@junglejink8230]

Found this by way of the Humble Bundle deal for Pathfinder. Thanks! Very enjoyable.

[@Savingthrowshow]

+Jungle Jink Excellent! Glad you enjoyed us!

[@Paul4AllSeasons]

awesome. I'm excited about this whole series. been wanting to start up pathfinder with some friends.

[@GerryLee808]

Though I'm more familiar with Dungeons and Dragons than Pathfinder, this video was totally worth watching for the amazing voices! Well done!

[@Savingthrowshow]

Thanks, Gerard! #CoolFantasyVoice is where it's at!

[@thormag]

I would argue that Rorschach is more of a Lawful Neutral character than a Chaotic Neutral character. He has a very strong sense of morality, yes, but this black and white view of life is more in line with the concepts of what is "right" vs what is "wrong" than what is "good" or "bad". The truth is that Rorschach does not follow the "right" thing to do out of a sense of empathy or morality, but out of a sense of duty and righteousness. He has a very strict and distinct moral code that will not be compromised even if it costs the life of innocents, because for him, the right thing is a tangible and objective thing. True, he does not follow the local law (since he thinks it is corrupted), but he follows HIS law. He can be cruel, sadistic, brutal, unforgiving and will not think twice about bloodying his own hands towards criminals, which is a behavior that is more Lawful than Good. The fact that he cares for the "right" thing takes him away from the Evil alignment (unlike Lex Luthor, who does not care), but his methods, his lack of empathy and disregard for those who act against what is good, push him away from Good. He is what Paladins should fear to become: a crusading machine with no remorse, no pity and no mercy. This, of course is a very simplistic view of such a complex character, but alignments are imperfect because of this.

[@tylerrhoades5397]

The internet will argue this as well. And they have; quite extensively. There's a 15-page discussion about Rorschach's alignment on enworld.org. tvtropes.org says lawful neutral, but most of the image macros say chaotic good. I've not read the Watchmen in some time, but from what I recall I think you'd be correct that he's more LN than CG. I just remember his actions at the end of the novel, where everyone basically excuses the deaths of millions of innocent people. Rorschach is the only one who reacts with disgust and fury. "People must be told. Evil must be punished." Seems to be a very empathetic reaction; almost excessively so. I'm not sure someone who presented himself as neutral would be so relentlessly intolerant of evil. I don't know. It's certainly an interesting discussion.

[@dragonstryk7280]

Rorschach doesn't lose his Good because of a lack of empathy or compassion. It is due to the tactics he employs, and is willing to put up with against those he has deemed to be on the wrong side of the law. His disgust is not at the idea of killing, but that justice must be served, that the deaths of innocents must be avenged. Were those millions of people to be career criminals, he would almost assuredly sign off on it in mere moments, regardless of whether they were in for assault, or career robbers, he would be okay with it. It's the same reason that Punisher hit Lawful Neutral, with long, deep, soul-searching gazes at evil (He's more than willing to kill in batch lots even villains who have hung up the cowl decades ago, will torture, and create situations where he has the villains kill themselves), while Judge Dredd is the epitome of True Lawful. People forget that each alignment has a spectrum within it, not just one set way. For instance, Wolverine, we can all agree, is Chaotic Good (Berserker rage, hold himself to a moral code that, while it has shades of bushido, is much closer to frontier law). Robin is also Chaotic Good, though he would likely abhor the tactics that Wolverine employs. Sure, Joker is Chaotic Evil, but then, so is Barbossa, who admonishes Jack Sparrow for his desire not to kill people. Jack himself starts the series at Chaotic Neutral, with people regularly thinking he's lost his mind, and his personal ethos ("Take what you can, give nothing back"). He's perfectly willing to rob innocent and guilty alike to line his own pockets, and keep himself in ship and rum, but abhors killing, while Barbossa pretty much starts at "It's much easier to rob people when they're dead".

[@nickvgallo]

Just starting pathfinder first edition and these are so helpful.

[@Savingthrowshow]

Awesome Nicholas! So glad you’re enjoying them! Happy playing!

[@Captnjared]

Bump, I'm going to use this for my groups going forward

[@mikayahbenmoshe3868]

I find your videos wildly entertaining, as well as useful. Thank you!

[@Morgrimm]

Wow this was extremely well made and taught me well on the topic thanks so much! I'm quite new to pathfinder and thank god you made these videos also making me laugh at the same time with jokes :D

[@Morgrimm]

#coolfantasyvoice

[@Savingthrowshow]

+ThatGamerMorgrim thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Morgrimm]

Saving Throw omg you actually responded i just watched all of the episodes. Will their be a season 2? i see the Season 1 tag so ye.

[@Savingthrowshow]

We're working on a bunch of new tutorial vids for a ton of systems, including going into some more detail with Pathfinder. Stay tuned, and if you like what you see check out our live shows throughout the week! twitch.tv/savingthrowshow :)

[@Morgrimm]

Saving Throw Ok thank you for letting me know ill alarm my friends about this series. I hope this helps them. :D I'm currently a lvl 1 wizard. I thankfully rolled some good numbers :D. Just starting out alongside veterans xD

[@ViseraHavenwood]

Fighter clerics are pretty fun to play. Even more so when other people arent always saying "heal me"

[@Ruupertable]

I do so love the use of the Space Empires soundtrack.

[@KarinaMichelle]

I love how much you love pathfinder

[@graysteve8610]

Screw Kraft Mac and cheese, this is the cheesiest. And for some reason, I love it.

[@hrothgarshoard4656]

I run a game for my teen-age daughter's group. They thought they were all being bad-ass when they chose CN alignments. Then I put them in a situation where they could all fulfill their CN fantasies....go burn a town down, loot, pillage. They all felt really guilty about what they ended up doing and decided they were a bit too good to be CN.

[@Savingthrowshow]

Well played! CN is a bad influence alignment. Sounds alluring on paper until you're faced with situations that cause you to not be a ravenous murder-hobo.

[@ghostfather1390]

+Saving Throw while I agree that CN is a bad influence alignment, it does not necessarily imply a murderous demeanor. more sociopathic than psychopathic, which I would see as evil. someone CN might be unreliable, capricious, or even impatient or short tempered, without being mean spirited, or nice and considerate, for that matter. that is why it would be chaotic Neutral, not good or evil.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

I always loved the Paladin class.

[@KyrieIngiusEleison]

I feel like you should mention there are other books released by Paizo that have other classes LIKE "Ninja" in ultimate combat. but say something along the lines of why you won't be talking about the alternate books and rules.

[@pmApostic]

Great stuff guys! Thanks!

[@Wrathgir]

Thanks for making these videos. I just been trying to get into playing this game since it was on sale on Humble Bundle. I am also considering getting the beginner box so I can have the physical copy of it. I am new to pen and paper rpg's, but not new to rpg's in general. I use to play alot of Warhammer and still have figures of them and also played a bit of WoW, and other rpg's in video games. Since my bf has played D&D before and I never got into that we both thought about trying Pathfinder. This really helps to getting to figure out what I want to be and a little on what the simple classes have to offer. I just need to figure out a good name for my character and which race I should be before going into the game. Hopefully soon I will be able to read the beginner guide so I can create my character. :)

[@Savingthrowshow]

+Catgir Studios Thank you so much for watching us and sharing! You're gonna like Pathfinder and you got everything for cheap (unlike us!). :) Enjoy and happy gaming!

[@djcfrompt]

Ben's 'fantasy voice' sounds like the narrator from Honest Trailers.

[@GamesandNonsenseUnleashed]

Just an amazing series, guys ... (hats off)

[@Savingthrowshow]

+Games and Nonsense Thank you very much!!

[@savedasloths]

These videos are just hilarious, you can tell you've played quite a bit...or at least have rp loving writers.

[@FlashPlayerGames]

For future episodes of Saving Throw, think you guys could talk starting up your own campaign?

[@Savingthrowshow]

Daniel Gilmore That's a great idea! We're working on a bunch of episodes like these, so that's now on the list. Thanks!

[@FlashPlayerGames]

Saving Throw awesome! These are always the first things I show my friends when introducing them to p&p rpgs! Thanks for making awesome content!

[@Savingthrowshow]

Daniel Gilmore Thanks for watching and sharing! You rock!!

[@PiAddiction]

You guys are amazing! These are all great! Thanks!

[@justsomeguy3931]

8:17 I love how I've seen this meme before, with some of the same portraits as different alignments lolz

[@jameslowery4671]

voices arent as necessary as you believe, it is he ability to play ones character from its perspective,second would be having fun.

[@varreausdutko1772]

This told me almost nothing more than what the class names do.

[@masonvaldivia4472]

Great video! :D

[@golarianpathfinder9699]

....clerics do not always worship a deity (though to be fair this is rare) and paladins definitely do not get their powers directly from a deity.

[@Stavol2Dual]

gonna be a 3:58 for my first ever pathfinder campaign, more pankration!

[@Savingthrowshow]

Enjoy that Monk!

[@Stavol2Dual]

Thanks, inspired after watching the Raid series and Remo the Destroyer

[@Stavol2Dual]

Saving Throw Did my first playthrough on last saturday, thanks for the informative vids that helped me get into character. He eventually became a Warden for the Kingmaker campaign.

[@Savingthrowshow]

Stavol2Dual You're very welcome! Keep us updated on how it goes!

[@Stavol2Dual]

Saving Throw Our party included the King (Paladin) and the Magister (Wizard), it was my first time playing so DM rolled me a lv4 character to keep up with rest of party. Each bullet point is a different day, rest in between. - survived against snapping turtle, horse mount killed it. I was dying and wizard cast invisibility spell on me so the turtle focused on them. - ganged up on a will o wisp, punched it to death. Other members are scared of it before. - met a bunch of wargs, got crit against the monk and bit an organ. Paladin knocked off horse but we killed them. - met some boars, punched one to low health - got up into a dungeon, got chased away by the swarm of bats - same dungeon, wizard bought an AoE spell and we killed a skulls before I disarmed the wight (nat20 kick in the balls) in which our paladin dealt the killing blow - Met a witch-type outside our lands, talked with her and posted a fence around her house instead. - downtime, I got shurikens (x5) - Saw a mad attacker and a tiger, we got attacked then I mounted on the tiger after a succesful pin and killed it with flurry. Survived a backstab - Kingdom administration time, we got a new town and I advised them to build a hospital. King made me warden. DM says I am lv5 now, from 9.8k of xp points.

[@johnnydark-hunter5129]

Can a Cleric use music to cast it's spells? just because I love music but don't what to be a Bard.

[@Savingthrowshow]

A cleric merely needs a divine source for his or her spells. There is no music domain exactly, but that doesn't mean you can't use flavor text to get what you want! Also 3rd Part Publisher Purple Duck Games has stats on the "Art" Domain. This might be right up your alley. But talk it over with your GM! There's no rule against singing a spell! www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/domains/3rd-party-publishers---domains/purple-duck-games---domains/art-domain

[@johnnydark-hunter5129]

+Saving Throw Thanks. I do not care if is music power. I still want Cleric powers just to use say a flute to cast them.

[@Savingthrowshow]

Sure, that's just flavor text. You can channel your magical ability into an instrument if you want. No big whoop. That's what we say, but again clear it with your GM ahead of time and all should be good.

[@johnnydark-hunter5129]

+Saving Throw Thanks.

[@TheAmericanDragn]

Basically the biggest problem I have right now is picking between paladin and ranger. :P

[@Savingthrowshow]

+James Justus Impossible to make the wrong choice! Have fun!

[@TheAmericanDragn]

Thanks! These videos have been really helpful! :)

[@Savingthrowshow]

+James Justus Thanks for tuning in, glad you're getting some use out of these!

[@iptf]

these voices are fantastic

[@frankdb9262]

Chaotic Neutral, always Chaotic Neutral!

[@Rood67]

when you glossed over the Ranger and Rogue with a few idiotic comments and didn't go back to cover them like you at least tried to do with the Cleric - you lost me. No more; regardless of how well done the rest of the two videos so far have been.

[@gfetco]

Wow, this is amazing!

[@DegaGray]

chaotic neutral WHATEVA I DO WHAT I WANT! xD

[@TheTrueBrawler]

Having came from 5e, I was legitimately confused to see Warlock wasn't a thing.

[@wolcamophone4783]

Rorschach is Chaotic Good. Ima head out.

[@violenceislife1987]

Druids are awesome

[@joshtownsend8807]

killer ending plug, lmao

[@Captnjared]

I'm keeping every one of these videos for teaching noobs

[@Savingthrowshow]

That's awesome Jared, glad to hear you're getting use from them! :)

[@deathsinger8663]

My character is Darthok: Half-Elf Rouge Chaotic Good

[@yauhendounar9933]

this is perfect!

[@Lavaman231]

Love it!

[@BardForHire]

Wouldn't ninja just be a rouge/monk multiclass

[@Savingthrowshow]

There actually is a Ninja class in some of the supplemental Ultimate Combat guide! Give 'em a look if you're feeling adventurous!

[@youcantbeatk7006]

If you look closely enough you can see the script reflect off of there pupils.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

Garthok just looks like someone's weird uncle.

[@aero33888]

"Maybe take a long look in the mirror, and examine what went wrong in your own life."

[@theone3746]

aren't wizards and sorcerers the same thing?

[@rockerman403]

Deon Hargrove no. sorcerers are innately skilled in magic and arcane, meanwhile wizards are required to put effort forth to learn and master it. they work differently based upon how they get spell ranks, learn spells, how many spells can be cast, and whether they need to be prepared.

[@theone3746]

rockerman403 so the only difference is one has to study and the other doesn't?

[@rockerman403]

Deon Hargrove it's more in depth than what i said there, but I guess if you simplified it, then yes, one is born with innate talent and skill in the arts, and the other isn't. sorcerers will lstill have to put time in for mastering it don't get me wrong. one just has an easier time.

[@zabavancovek]

I wanna play space empires 5 now

[@finnquail1528]

Alchemist?

[@johnsparten5254]

Is there a way to make a Gun Mage like on this D&D page? www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Gun_Mage_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)

[@InSanic13]

+John Sparten www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo---wizard-archetypes/spellslinger

[@johnsparten5254]

Thanks man.

[@cobinizer]

Don't do that. It's a trap! Just make a wizard and get the amateur gunslinger feat.

[@-Titania]

Ninja literally is now a class

[@-Titania]

Not in core rulebook but hey it's official

[@Haggispk]

where is gunslinger?

[@BayBerry1337]

Gunslinger isn’t in the core rule book, it is a base class

[@youcantbeatk7006]

At least they're a little self aware.

[@Yotam1703]

and there I am moving a group (still playing my druid). guess the campain. snow. THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD is snow cuz of the demons and shit. The campain is super cool and all, but like WTF DM. What the actual fuck. Druids are animal and nature, snow is FUCKING DEATH. No animals, no trees, no fucking nature's stride. half my class skills, half my spells, dead. We get to fight demons (our latest was to fight a marilith demon lord), which is kinda awsome, but FUCKING SNOW.

[@cobinizer]

Talking to plants is much more edifying than talking to SJWs.

[@eldritchdefender7785]

Chaotic good

[@steamsuck666]

Gods, alignments... I always hated that nine point grid system like if life would be really that simple. I suggested to use that system just as a rough 'rule of thumb' orientation but not like a setting chiseled into stone like I saw way, way too often from many paragraph riders in p&p games and which killed those games on the long run. Personality treats are just too complex as to bind them to a single label as we all have a variety of moments which could fit in all kind of areas on that grid, some triggered even just by extraordinary moments in life. So until you want very much flat, boring comic book characters then you should try not to over-emphasize the alignment system in p&p games and use it just as a generic tendency trend of the character which can also maybe change for some over time, especially when the character faces some dramatic impacts in his existence, e.g. witnessing events which shake his believe in his value system. I even suggest to consider a player talking with his GM to talk maybe about such shaking event(s) in the players future to keep the game fresh by allowing that way some character development in the life of a game character to keep it alive and fresh before a flat never changing comic book character becomes stale and boring.

[@futuretimetraveller8677]

funny lol and very good

[@Kevin-zz9du]

When i do my voice, i sound like a real person.

[@lawnytoast7399]

lawful neutral. :)

[@Wade_NZ]

*Triggered* at 08:44. WHY FOX WHYYYEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

[@KomeiiTheStampede]

I really want to watch this.. but this girl creeps me out...and she tries way too hard to be funny :/

[@red_comet_3326]

Why does this look like d&d

[@lo-kal8207]

Dialog joke ha, funny

[@collinsellers4825]

Do you guys just not know how to take criticism. Jesus

[@nexusnova6852]

...........the paladin one pretty far off

[@MarcusHelius]

Sorry but this series is just unbearable... Need to find something more serious...

[@skylerkidder3065]

2:35 cringe

[@YourTrustyHonkey9716]

Skyler Kidder all is cringe

[@steamsuck666]

Gods, alignments... I always hated that nine point grid system like if life would be really that simple. I suggested to use that system just as a rough 'rule of thumb' orientation but not like a setting chiseled into stone like I saw way, way too often from many paragraph riders in p&p games and which killed those games on the long run. Personality treats are just too complex as to bind them to a single label as we all have a variety of moments which could fit in all kind of areas on that grid, some triggered even just by extraordinary moments in life. So until you want very much flat, boring comic book characters then you should try not to over-emphasize the alignment system in p&p games and use it just as a generic tendency trend of the character which can also maybe change for some over time, especially when the character faces some dramatic impacts in his existence, e.g. witnessing events which shake his believe in his value system. I even suggest to consider a player talking with his GM to talk maybe about such shaking event(s) in the players future to keep the game fresh by allowing that way some character development in the life of a game character to keep it alive and fresh before a flat never changing comic book character becomes stale and boring.

[@OHEMGEKITTEHS]

+steamsuck666 Well the system is a generally for most classes (Expect paladin) a rule of thumb, with characters forming more in depth personalities along the way.

[@steamsuck666]

+OHEMGEKITTEHS I agree that it should be just seen as a rule of thumb suggestion. But you missed my point. I am referring to the majority of players I met over the years which follow D&D rules like they are some religious fanatics. THOSE who use books like a black and white written dogmatic rule book instead of a source of inspiration and philosophical guide line are the ones which drove me crazy over the decades.