How to practice a cantilever off ice part 1

[@arodicalderon2155]

This video is underrated. I am practicing the cantilever, and he touches several key points that no one else does. Thank you, you are a heroe without cape. I will share you my final result. I am currently on day 8 of cantilever training bu myself.

[@wildchild1161]

Hey no problem, if you do have issues or want a second opinion let me know and i can take alook at a video and share my 2cents.

[@hallebay2743]

Well I can't. Thanks for saving my time :D

[@wildchild1161]

I will be replacing this video soon , I plan on making a video series where it is designed so people can follow the instruction on a daily basis and slowly build up the skill necessary for this move . I do not think a 10minute video does it justice.

[@wildchild1161]

If this goes as planed i'll also be making an on ice variation of it as well .

[@Xoresproyect]

thanks for the tips, I was about to give up on the trick till now, great explanation got courage again:-)

[@wildchild1161]

did you ever get it ?

[@izapawlowski4635]

This is super helpful, I can do nice spread eagles but I've always wanted to one (This is also the only video I could find)

[@wildchild1161]

If you have any issues with doing them / don't understand something let me know and i can see if i can explain it.I can do it Either through video format /written . Let me know if im saying things which are implicit (since i'v been doing cantilevers for 13years or so ) something i may say may seem intuitive to me ,but not to others. The reason i made the video is because i would love nothing more than others being able to do cantilevers . i would like to make a new video about cantilevers sometime this year any suggestions would be nice .~+~

[@NagyerdeiKorisok]

2 questions about the version on ice : do your feet glide in one line or one of the legs is more behind and one is more in the front? The other one is do you lean absolutely back or towards one leg a bit? Thanks

[@wildchild1161]

Its more of a preference, A staggered position is usually easier to control than a linear stance.If you skate on lakes, you tend to be able to keep/maintain the linear functionality of your feet longer than those whom skate on rinks.When you skate in a rink ,which is typically 200ft long X 85ft wide , you have to deal with a ~30ft curve of the boards which you have to hit or go around , which tends to cause you to stagger your feet. As you will "steer" or control the directionality of your curve through the separation of said feet. in other words.if you are wanting to follow the boards in a counter clock wise direction (right foot leading, left foot behind) you will begin in the standard position of a spread eagle.then as you approach the curve you will want to take the left foot( the foot not leading) and push it towards your head. This essentially changes your vector position , thus curve. Depending upon how much force you apply and how far you separate your feet,will determine how much curve you will have. and how much speed you will be able to maintain .In addition,it is also possible to steer or change directionality with a linear foot position. you can either rotate the leading toe towards the curve, and the foot that is following the lead foot toward the curve, but reflected about the y axis. or you will just use your body weight to "engage" your edges.This happens because when you change your body weight, you change elevation. when changing elevation you affect your centripetal force.which is what allows you to do a cantilever, the more you rise up past horizontal the more body strength you will need to maintain that position,but the change can happen very quickly and usually if you are trying to curve in a linear fashion you will simply drop your back to the ice and this will cause it to hook in a very tight circle. this will of course kill what ever speed you have.So instead of being able to do a cantilever for 25-30seconds you will be knocked down into the ballpark of 5 to 7 seconds. If you are just learning cantilevers, you want to lean straight back, leaning or curving you back towards on side or the other will results in,...for most people... a sudden loss of control due to feet separating and one edge of the blade digging into the ice at a different angle which causes the spaghetti effect where everything goes every ware. And because they lack the strength and ironically the control to manipulate such a circumstances they fall. ~+~

[@nineteenseventyfive6709]

Really nice video! Thanks!

[@23Metzli]

Omg thank you!!!! 😱🙌🏾

[@wildchild1161]

Very terrible video , i will probably make a new one with a better environment ...perhaps out doors ,but for now this was all the time i could spare.Hope to update this in the future.Also read the description , it should explain everything in the video.

[@wildchild1161]

@ 32 -40s is the borborin overin twist .kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmTEl6ShnZWMosU

[@鏡音リンちゃん]

Woooow that twist looks difficult...are you able to do it?

[@wildchild1161]

I use to be able to do them where they looked really nice ( i went horizontal to the ice, now they look pretty bad but this is how to do them. :kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6rMdayMi86dpJo ,and this is what mine look like now a days...they look so shotty kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6CTZ6t4p5Vpi5o , Basically its just a B twist from gymnastics . im pretty certain any one could do them if they tried.

[@鏡音リンちゃん]

Wild child still looks pretty impressive! I really admire your skating skills, you seem so extremely confident on the ice...may I ask why you seem to focus on the 'fancy side-elements' instead of normal spins, jumps and stuff? I really like that, though!

[@thatpianistmoth]

I found it pretty helpful though. I mean, it'll be a long time till I get my cantivalier, but I'll get there ~ At least I know I am "eligible", LOL

[@Zukoso]

can you do a tutorial on how to get it on-ice? I'm having A LOT of trouble finding that inside edge, while off-ice I can manage to get it ):

[@wildchild1161]

sure

[@Zukoso]

@@wildchild1161 😭😭 tyy

[@shelbyr2382]

what if you’re having a hard time sitting back, i keep sitting straight in the middle of my feet/boots but they’re perfectly in line

[@wildchild1161]

Hi , I meant to make an alternative video to address this issue but never got around to it . I will see if i can upload a video to address this in the next couple of days .If that doesn't happen ( highly possible ) Try this : instead of using a Bucket swap it out for a yoga ball . The yoga ball is curved and matches your spine better and helps alleviate extra strains on the back / instability (left/right movement) the bucket posses . If what im saying is not addressing what your experiencing you can either try to write it out the issue in more detail manner or if you want to; you can upload a video and send me a link and i can take a look and tell you how to correct it .assuming its correctable. lemme know how it goes . and if you don't have a yoga ball im sure i can think of something else which you could use . ~+~

[@鏡音リンちゃん]

Thank you so much for that!

[@wildchild1161]

have you ever seen a log jump ?other wise known as the borbin overin twist

[@鏡音リンちゃん]

Wild child never heard of that jump...would you like to tell me about it?

[@vik8651]

Hey thanks for the video, I tried the cantilever today (before I found your video). I have a question regarding the order of the movements. I can do the spread eagle squat but I have trouble leaning back and getting up afterwards. Should I focus on thrusting my pelvis forwards, to keep myself from falling before leaning back? In your off ice demo with the bucket, you arched your back and moved your pelvis forwards quite late. But without the bucket you kept your pelvis in place then arched your back...hmm

[@sustainableliving1962]

Is this safe for your knees? Any knee issues to date?

[@wildchild1161]

I haven't experienced any knee issues from doing cantilevers but im also hyper-mobile so my joints can hyper extend past the normal range of motion.

[@smolsews3760]

If I'm rotating to the right in spins and jumps should I be leading with my left foot? Because that's what I do. But then staying on my weakest leg means doing my crossovers in my weakest direction :/

[@wildchild1161]

which foot do you stand on when you do shoot the ducks. which foot do you lead with when you do spread eagles . spins and jumps are not good for telling which side you are dominate on as isi/usfs have made it where if you jump on way you are to spin that way ,as before you could spin one way and jump another.

[@smolsews3760]

@@wildchild1161 I stand on my right leg when I do shoot the ducks and I lead spreads with my left

[@wildchild1161]

@@smolsews3760 then you are probably dominate on the left foot , which would mean for the cantilever you want to be leading with your left. Which means when you do crossovers you want to stand on your left foot then cross with your right foot, glide, then set your arc with your left foot.if you would like me to make a video on it i can. as i need to/been planing on making one for left/right/ambis anyway.

[@smolsews3760]

@@wildchild1161 that would be really helpful 😁 thanks and thanks for the comment as well as that's also really helpful

[@draculacepesh1382]

Is there a way to train your feet opening degree if I cant extend behind the line ?

[@wildchild1161]

it really depends upon how close your feet come to the line . there are ways to cheat it by bending your knees while you rotate your feet . i believe its all in the hips / hipflexors i could be wrong about it being mainly hipflexors though; as i am not very good at anatomy. if you want you can send me a picture and i can see how close you are / tell you if i think you are still capable of doing cantilevers . ~+~

[@draculacepesh1382]

Wild child nevermind I found exercises for ballerina turnout after trying to kill my joints by twisting legs like crazy. Basically it is not about joints flexibility but about stretch of muscle and ligaments in crotch/hip area.

[@wildchild1161]

yah , it has a great deal to do with the flexability of the hip joints for sure ( in my mind that includes tendons/muscles ).You don't need to hyper extend you legs as much as i do, i was merely showing an extreme case / so people could see a difference . but anything beyond 180 degrees is optimal as you need to create a curve for you to follow .As cantilevers are really just Archimedes spirals /( trigonometric spirals ). so you need to have some curve to follow , i usually stick around 185-190, and if i want a really shallow one i go ~ 225degree maybe a tad more or less. also for controlling the curvature you use your rear foot to change the degree of your arc and your front foot to steer.also you should give your knees time to adjust to the increased pressure applied to your joints to prevent any sprains/ tears.