How to Prevent your Intel 13th & 14th Gen CPUs from Degrading

[@KathrinHausermann]

Brilliant Video David :)) Mid August a Micro code update from Intel released to its Partners which is expected to address the high Voltage draw of the intel CPU's and correct it. This of course only works for CPU's that are not affected by internal Corrosion of the CPU. The Corrosion is an entirely different issue and can only be resolved by replacing the CPU. So you would need to open an RMA case with Intel (maybe again) since the first RMA might have been denied. To all 13th and 14th gen Intel owners check regularly back to the BIOS/UEFI website of your specific board. There are boards that have nearly the same name....one of them might have WiFi and the other might not. Putting an non WiFi BIOS on a WiFi Model for example will not work and there should be an Error message in the BIOS/UEFI not letting you proceed with the BIOS/UEFI update. Also make sure you use the correct revision of the board since 1.1 / 1.2 / 1.3 and so on might sightly differ from each other. On Gigabyte Boards the revision No is in the left lower corner of the board. ASUS ProArt Z790 a very vague yes with reservation... ASUS ProArt X670E yes for the AMD socket but still with Reservation because I still do not trust ASUS having changed their bad Ways for the better or for good.

[@PE4Doers]

Kathrin, I fully understand what you are saying and I believe your additional information may help many more people than my video alone. I will Pin your comment so that everyone can see your remarks at the top of the list. Thanks you, as always :)

[@zechssiguro7476]

​@@PE4Doersvery informative video! I have a few short inquires. #1) is the laptop version of the Intel Core i9-14900HX a "RaptorLake" chip & 1 of the main 1's affected by this oxidation&overvoltage till death issue? & #2) If I happen to own 1 of these laptops but haven't even opened it yet, if YES, ..what's the smartest way to proceed, towards getting a refund, or AMD alternative ( bough an MSI Raider18HX a few mths ago) unopened was waiting in unbiased independent through reviews, that never came... Would greatly appreciate any advice!

[@Theguitarskater1]

@@zechssiguro7476 The 13th gen i9 laptop was affected so it’s supposed that the 14th is too. I also bought one with the 14900hx cpu + 4090, asus scar 2024. Such a shame, I’m worried it dies a few months after warranty goes, it was not cheap at all

[@PE4Doers]

@@zechssiguro7476 1) I would say it is highly possible that is. Hopefully, the company that supports your portable system can come up with both an interim and long-term BIOS/microcode update quickly. 2) If it were me, I would try and return it and wait out what's this all leads to. Whether you get a refund, or not, and go for an AMD equivalent depends on how much you need that system in the short/medium term.

[@zechssiguro7476]

@@PE4Doers that's the plan! ...it's just that I also paid too damn much for an 4080 version, windows 11 is gonna try total "Recall" everybody & then windows 12 is also gona come soon next yr...& Of course aim to be EVEN more intrusive than win11,...along with trying to wait & see if Intel does this, or MSI does that....which most likely they won't.(Refund..I pray so!) But MSI are bringing the same model in AMD versions( now in Original Taiwan & China)...I just have to wait for them to be available in the US. . . . 6 of 1....half a dozen of somebody's mother.....sigh.

[@nian60]

From what I heard, Intel blamed the customers at first. It wasn't until their really big customers started leaking info to the press and public that Intel took some responsibility. That doesn't instil confidence in the company.

[@PE4Doers]

I did not hear that, but am not surprised. Having worked for several organizations, I have seen first hand how Executives immediately resort to denial. In some cases, a couple of the right heads role, which I hope will be the case for the benefit of their customers.

[@nian60]

@@PE4Doers Yeah.

[@Arguments_only]

Confidence in what that they dont lie? That is what any corporation would do no exceptions... what matters is their actions now that they have admitted it. If the fix works and cpus are replaced if faulty and extended warranties are honored it shoud be fine... Time will tell. But AMD is safer bet now if on the lookout for new CPU.

[@obriennyc]

Thanks for posting this video, David. I have a Pro Art Z790 and a 14900KS, and will be updating to this BIOS this morning.

[@PE4Doers]

Good idea. Just remember to update it again once the new Firmware with the fix to the microcode is released. Then be mindful of the system reliability going forward. If you get a Blue Screen, make sure to save a copy of crash dump.

[@obriennyc]

@@PE4Doers After updating it, I set the BIOS to defaults with F5, then enabled XMP for my DDR5 memory. I'll be watching and logging any crashes, and awaiting the August update.

[@PE4Doers]

@@obriennyc Great 🙂 That is what I am doing as well.

[@obriennyc]

@@PE4Doers There is a new Beta Bios (2504) from Asus for the ProArt Z790. "The new BIOS includes Intel microcode 0x129 and adjusts the factory default settings for the non-K processors, enhancing the stability of Intel Core 13th and 14th gen desktop processors."

[@silicon_sage17]

Fingers crossed they're able to pin point the batches that are defected to make finding this problem a lot easier.

[@PE4Doers]

I am in full agreement with you on that. Unfortunately the executives will now be pushing the engineers and developers to get some done as quickly as possible. Having been one of those at the end of the spear, that effort tends to be counter to creating an optimal solution.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

There's been talk that Intel engineers says they're ring bus supplying power inside the cpu is stretched thin and can't take overvolting. That's on top of the oxidation issues and microcode and motherboards overvolting

[@silicon_sage17]

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I was under the impression that the Arizona plant was the location of bad chips. It sucks, I just built my dream PC in March too with my 13900k I got in Feb. I really hope they give more answers would hate to buy another CPU (that is clear from the radar).

[@wsck694]

Ive recently watched your video and wanted to share my experience with stabilizing the system. Over the course of a few weeks, I extensively tested various settings including PL1, PL2, and core voltages. I experimented with the boxed cooler, Load Line Calibration (LLC), and Intel default settings, among others. While I could get Cinebench to run successfully, I encountered "Access Denied" errors in Edge and other unexpected issues. After thorough testing, I found that the only way to achieve rock-solid stability without any crashes was to set the P-core ratio to 57 for all P-cores on my 14900K. It's worth noting that setting the faster cores to 60 led to intermittent problems that would occur unpredictably. The lower, uniform P-core ratio of 57 proved to be the most reliable configuration in my case. This was also with the latest bios from MSI 7/23

[@PE4Doers]

WOW, you are obviously an experimental computer engineer. Early on in my career I loved to delve deep into the power/speed performance variables, but eventually decided to settle into desiring stability over performance. The key think I learned when I was more like you was that their is 'always' a cost, since changing one electrical parameter usually affect more than one other. The faster the clock, the rounder the edges of the square wave become, and hence the more difficult it becomes for the logic to determine ones and zeros being passed between the gates. Finally, heat has always been and always will be the enemy of silicon longevity.

[@zechssiguro7476]

My question as a fellow MSI Laptop owner, ( recently bought a new 14th gen Raider18, Couldn't manage the titan18 with courier limitations) I haven't even opened the box yet. My main inquiry, is the 14th gen Intel 14k chip in theses laptops the main "Raptor Lake" culprit with the oxidation & overvolting issue? & Secondly, as I haven't even opened it yet, what would you recommend? ( I'm hoping MSI USA releases AMD versions of the Raider18 so when I hopefully can return this 1, untouched, I can eventually get any kind of refund or reimbursement...to then choose something else...or just get the AMD MSI...) I'm open for advice & suggestions

[@danipubg4946]

​@@zechssiguro7476there have been reports of laptop chips failing too and since the i9 14900hx series features the same die as the desktop, it is certain that they are also affected. If I were you, I'd return the laptop and get an amd equivalent now or wait for zen 5 laptops

[@danipubg4946]

Id send the chip in for rma cuz intel is replacing damaged cpus...

[@zechssiguro7476]

@@danipubg4946 I thinks that's best, I'll have to get creative to get any reimbursement, MSI might not even have an Amazon style 30days etc...but I'm def going back AMD, my original MSI is still AMD.

[@QuikTechSolutions]

Awesome video David. Very informative and well delivered.

[@PE4Doers]

Thanks Tony, much appreciated.

[@JayzBeerz]

I have a 13600K and it’s been at stock clocks since new and it has no issues in heavy gaming for year.

[@PE4Doers]

That's great. I was leaning that as I did the research on the problem, however I'm extremely conservative on things like this, so I am keeping the activity on my at the minimum until the next firmware/microcode update is released and installed.

[@rdg665]

13400 and 13600k is fine. 13700 and 13900 however are not

[@aliengarden]

Great video

[@PE4Doers]

Thank you for the great feedback

[@obriennyc]

Asus has a new BIOS for the ProArt Z790 with the Intel microcode fix; it was listed as beta a few days ago, but that reference has been removed. Installed it yesterday. The previous BIOS fix seems to have resolved core overheating and voltage surges.

[@PE4Doers]

Thanks so much for the information. I may make a short video applying that update and credit you for letting me know as soon as it was available. 🙂

[@JasonsLabVideos]

Good video sir !!

[@PE4Doers]

Thanks Jason

[@ronm6585]

Thanks David.

[@PE4Doers]

You are welcome. Do you have one of these Intel CPU chips?

[@ronm6585]

@@PE4Doers I have a 12th GEN Core i7-12700k so I don't think so.

[@PE4Doers]

@@ronm6585 I believe you are good. It's doesn't seem to affect the 12th gen, although I will still update my 12-900K - just in case.

[@wsx774]

It seems that Intel has said that the problem could affect all 13th and 14th gen CPUs. Do you recommend doing this for my i5 13500 too?

[@PE4Doers]

To be safe I would, since it depends a lot on the motherboard, under/over volting and heat.

[@teknativo]

Mainly for CPUs based on Raptor Lake, and the high-end CPUs are the ones prone to have the issue over time used.

[@PE4Doers]

@@teknativo That is exactly my interpretation of it

[@teknativo]

@@PE4Doers and potentially more details to come in the upcoming weeks. Do you speak Spanish? My recommendation right now to not push the CPU (OC, attempt for it to fail, tests/benchmarks) and configure some workarounds like reducing the Core ratio of all the PCores, and to wait for mid September so we will have BIOS update or at least one that has been revised multiple times. But if the CPU is one of the ones with the oxidation issue, then it will need RMA. I have a 13900ks by the way, still I believe I am still lucky since I have not experienced any issues with it, still, I have the latest BIOS update and with all P Cores at 56 with a 360mm AIO. Really good recommendations for your audience David ;)

[@Todayfacts12]

Sir does it also affect the intel i5 13420H processors also? Because I bought it on yesterday

[@PE4Doers]

I did not see any of those portable CPUs listed, however, if available for your device, I would recommend any BIOS related updates are applied when released. That will be heavily dependent on the manufacturer of you unit however.

[@danipubg4946]

It more than likely is since it's also a raptor lake chip and ALL raptor lake chips are impacted, including laptop ones... I'd look around a bit more about this if I were you

[@incandescentwithrage]

You mentioned you were using your i9 for editing / productivity rather than gaming. Could you explain your rationale for relying on the BIOS & microcode updates, rather than setting a sensible vcore and fixed all-core ratio for p and e cores? I can't see any reason to allow CPU 1/2 core turbo VID requests to be honoured by the VRM in your case. The "old style" all-core ratio and manual voltage would seem the optimal solution.

[@ivantsipr]

All core load is not what's damaging the CPUs, is single core loads, also oxidation is not playing part in it that problem was at the start of production of 13th gen more than a year ago and was fixed at that time, the reason for the damage on the CPU is the voltage, and you'll see the highest voltage request from the CPU when is in single core loads that's when the 14900k will boost to 6.0ghz and it needs 1.50v+ to get there, the importance of that is because the P core, E cores and ring all three get their voltage from the same input so when that P core is boosting to 6.0ghz and drawing 1.50v+ the E cores and the ring are also getting those 1.50v+ , the P & E cores can take the voltage but the ring gets fried rather quick, the CPUs that BZ checked where used for Minecraft servers, which is a very high SINGLE CORE load, 14900k only last 3 months under those conditions at stock settings, the replacements the server provider where then underclocked to 5.7 (so they would draw less than 1.50v) and now they last 6-7 months with less overall fail CPUs, in summary voltages over 1.45v are damaging the ring , so unless they cap the max voltage to at least 1.45v the ring will get damaged and the CPU will degrade.

[@PE4Doers]

I am not comfortable in general for playing with those voltages. If a mistake takes place it could be unrecoverable for the silicon. With the value, and the replacement effort, as high as it it, I would rather lose some of the performance 'for now.'

[@ivantsipr]

@@PE4Doers that's the thing if your CPU is requesting 1.45v+ on single core load is already degrading the ring, limiting the voltage is the only fix.

[@PE4Doers]

@@ivantsipr I agree, and am very hopeful that updated microcode scheduled to be released by the end of the month alleviates this issue with some improvement in performance over this interim step.

[@24321619]

I have not had any crashes in over a year that could not be OS related, on my 13900KF with Motherboard MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WiFi (MS-7D91) Only thing I have done is lower the cooler settings to boxed cooler (240 watts) default is the water cooler setting, I have run Cinebench 2024 with no thermal throttling on any cores.

[@PE4Doers]

Very good. Let us know if you apply the next BIOS release from MSI which is supposed to include the new CPU firmware.

[@pwnmeisterage]

I've still got a Haswell-E, E5-1680-3 - 4th or 5th gen? - overclocked to 4.5GHz since early 2015 - and it consistently gives me uptimes around 6 months or more between bluescreens. I guess it's a better-than-average silicon lottery specimen. But I've always attribute its longevity to the overkill VRMs, PSU, and cooling I use with it.

[@PE4Doers]

Sounds like a win. During the overclocking did you alter the CPU voltage?

[@LeicaM11]

My i7-13700H had been burned down inside a Minisforum Mini PC after about 8 weeks. Are 13“7“xx processors affected too?

[@PE4Doers]

From my research, the are susceptible to the same problem.

[@Atrumoris]

Unfortunately the problem is so deeply rooted that BIOS updates are nothing but a band aid fix. It only slows down the CPU degradation. If you want to put a stop to it you _will_ need to go into BIOS and manually tune your CPU.

[@PE4Doers]

From my analysis, that CPU is a Microcode based unit. which means it has an extra layer of hardware abstraction, that uses a microcode to interpret each of the 8086 based instructions into the actual hardware interface actions used to complete a complex instruction. That means that the microcode is the hardware logic interpreter that all executed 8086+ instructions are based on. Which I interpret to mean that the microcode logic is 100% dependent on that microcode. As a result, I believe the source of the problem can be a correction to that microcode. Now, whether Intel has 'in fact' completely identified and 'fixed' the issue with the microcode a a whole other issue. And of course, if the substrate has already been damaged, then it is probably irreparable. If the is suspected, then I suggest starting an RMA as soon as possible.

[@brettpureveen]

Great video, have the same Motherboard but with 2402 default settings Windows 11 will BSOD, 2302 does not have this issue. Using a 14900KF cpu

[@PE4Doers]

This issue is still there in the microcode currently. All this update did was add limits to reduce the likelihood of an issue, but it definitely isn't the final fix. When they release the updated microcode (supposedly in the late August firmware update), we need to get that installed as soon as possible. Then continue to keep an eye out for any other problems.

[@timetorelaxfocus9642]

How about HP Omen with 14900K? haven't found anything on it. (HP Support says they do not overclock, but if I am concerned could underclock to 5GHz). Intel rep didn't see to know anything and said may void warranty. The only help he was is verifying name, email and ask 2times so not much faith in that.

[@PE4Doers]

I have an HP OMEN with an 12th gen CPU. I have found if you do a Windows update, the BIOS Update is done as part of that if one has been released. I would hope they do that for the 14gen version.

[@timetorelaxfocus9642]

@@PE4Doers Nice! Thank you for the info!

[@PE4Doers]

@@timetorelaxfocus9642 You are quite welcome

[@Daniel-dl6fp]

I currently have an i5 11600k with a msi z590 gaming plus im pretty happy with it it isnt super out of date however i do intend to upgrade my platform eventually but after all this intel drama i won't have to think twice to change to amd im actually quite disappointed as i did really like intel but its really going down hill

[@PE4Doers]

According to my research the 11th Gen Intel CPUs have not been affected by this problem, so I think you are OK. A lot of it seems related to cooling and CPU voltages modification (many of it done by the Motherboards behind the scenes. I use both Intel and AMD, and have seen issues with both lines over the years, so something like this is bound to happen regardless of the one you pick since they are always playing right at the edge since they keep outdoing the other - especially with their highest performing units.

[@smolfish450]

Is just updating to the most recent bios enough or do you need to undervolt? Seeing so much different information….

[@PE4Doers]

It is my understanding that everyone should just update the BIOS, then ensure that the Intel Limit are enabled (which should be by default now). Any Overclocking for modification of the limits - even under-volting - will put the chip at further risk until the new Microcode is loaded later this year.

[@asdf_asdf948]

It will not be enough but it should slow any damage that is happening. There are already testers that show the most recent microcode is still sending much too high voltage requests, sometimes 1.6V or higher. For reference anything over 1.4V is considered potentially dangerous.

[@PE4Doers]

@@asdf_asdf948 I sincerely hope they notice that and make the appropriate corrections. I have invested a LOT in my new Content Creator Workstation, and I need it to perform for me at a level I can count on.

[@josephreybaura7378]

Can i ask if the i5 13500 affected sir?

[@PE4Doers]

It was not specifically on the list of highly vulnerable CPU's, however I would make sure to update the BIOS as soon as possible, then again in a couple of months if another revision is released.

[@josephreybaura7378]

@@PE4Doers Thanks sir is my cooler sufficient ak620 deepcool. I'm afraid if my cpu will get fried toasted

[@sananda_music1]

Does the 13600kf CPU need a BIOS update? Can this problem be solved for 13th and 14th generation processors or not?

[@PE4Doers]

To be completely safe, I would say that the 13600kf needs the Fix, even though it is less likely to be affected. All 13th and 14th Gen CPUs are on the same basic substrate architecture, so I would NOT take the chance skipping that firmmware/microcode update.

[@sananda_music1]

@@PE4Doers I installed the updated version of the BIOS, shouldn't I have updated the BIOS?

[@VasyVasii]

The most effective way to prevent a computer from failing is to keep it unplugged. 😁

[@PE4Doers]

Good point, but also applies to electronic equipment in general.

[@silverplayer7502]

If I am on the ddr4 platform and plan to buy a 14600kf, is it still affected? My ram boosts up to 3600mhz only (On a tight budget so cant switch to AMD)

[@PE4Doers]

I would say a 14600kf is also affected based upon the research I did, but I also know others that have said it is not. You have a tough decision when budget is a factor. Sorry.

[@rdg665]

Get an AM5 r7 or r9 instead.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

I too like to live dangerously

[@vincentM9453]

Does it hurt anything to use the bios renamer even if it's not necessary? It's my 1st time updating a bios and many other videos say to click and let it rename the bios file.

[@PE4Doers]

The name should make no difference. I tend to avoid using BIOS FlashBack when doing an update, unless the existing BIOS is corrupted, since it introduces other hardware on the motherboard that may not have been tested as thoroughly (recently), and can be a little confusing on its operation based on pressing buttons for a certain amount of time and looking at only lights. I forget which video on that topic I watch about 4-years ago, but the video creator ran into some issues after using that feature.

[@JayzBeerz]

That’s only when you use the flashback button only. If you do rename it will fail if you do it the traditional way by going into the BIOS.

[@PE4Doers]

@@JayzBeerz That may be right. I thought I once renamed it to something else and it still worked with the BIOS Tool, but I honestly don't remember if I used it that way or not. I do know it checks if the file is meant for a specific motherboard, but I thought it was checking internal file header block for that information. That is something I may try on one of my older motherboards that I no longer use.

[@vincentM9453]

@@JayzBeerz on my Asus motherboard I used the BIOS renamer, went into the BIOS and used the easy flash 3 option and the BIOS did not fail and worked perfectly. So maybe it's a different motherboard where the flashback button only works with the renamer, but the standard way of updating the BIOS worked just fine with the renamer. Thanks for the help though!.

[@JayzBeerz]

@@vincentM9453 cool enjoy

[@karlos1060]

I would be very careful with the Asus bios update. I installed it myselve and the voltage even went up! This is done i think because of the CPU's that a degraded and have issues to run again without issues. However the majority would run wwith a lot less voltage. I have Asus as well. Rog strix Z790-H gaming wifi also 2402 bios. But i tweaked it at once again. Set the profile to Asus instead of Intel. The locked the cores and undervolt my I7-14700KF by 0.06volt. Also undervolt the Additional turbo mode CPU core voltage wich handles the TVB part and i could get it stable with a 0.3v undervolt now hitting the higest of 1.31v after long gaming sessions. Temp and power draw went down a lot. And my overal score is even a bit higher on Cinebench R23 single and multicore score getting 2150 single and 34000 multi on gaming settings in windows powerplan. not exceeding 85c with a 360 aio.

[@PE4Doers]

Thanks for the information. I did not realize their were issues with the Intel limits on some ASUS BIOS versions.

[@evan-du3vk]

I have same problem with new bios on asus. So Im back on 1201. On 1402 i had problem with temps. Started having more then 60 degrees in games when on 1201 I have 50. And clock speeds started to change all around. I don't know why. Didn't check the voltage on 1402. But on 1201 voltage is stable around 1.2 - 1.4 at tops

[@Matopototo]

I recently bought a asus vivobook with the i9 13900H. Is this safe from the problems?

[@PE4Doers]

To be completely honest, I am not 100% sure. I would tend to think it is at risk to some degree, however that also depends on the motherboard. Have you looked to see if there is a BIOS update available?

[@Matopototo]

I downloaded the bios update from the Asus webpage when I got it last week, but I haven't checked since. Edit: just checked through the MyAsus app, bios is up to date

[@Matopototo]

@@PE4Doers I updated it last week when i recieved it from the asus webpage. Either way, I just checked through the MyAsus app and it says everything is up to date

[@Matopototo]

@@PE4Doers it is up to date

[@PE4Doers]

@@Matopototo Then you should be OK for now. Just make sure You check again in about a month to see if an improved fix is ready.

[@nivea878]

advocats are already preparing class action lawsuit

[@PE4Doers]

I am sure of that. There was some significant financial loss from this event. If mine starts to fail I may join them in that action.

[@Abduxuel-ut5uq]

My 14900k is cooked its done every game has the low video memory error or whatever ill try for an rma untill then ill swap back to my 12900k xD thank god i still have that

[@PE4Doers]

Sorry to hear that ☹

[@Abduxuel-ut5uq]

​@@PE4Doersthanks man quick question does this degradation issue is also on 12 Gen Intel? Or just 13 and 14th Gen?

[@PE4Doers]

@@Abduxuel-ut5uq From everything I read and watched from other creators, it does not apply to the 12th GEN. I am thinking (just thinking however) I should get myself another 12900K.

[@Hunter961]

I have a MSI Pro z790-a max wifi and as of now, 05-08-2024 there's still no bios update with updated microcode. Last available update is some beta bios from 30-05-2024. That was the first and the last time i bought a msi motherboard, it's F#Ckin ridiculous there's still no update since May 2024. F#CK you MSI.

[@PE4Doers]

Sorry to hear that. I have two MSI motherboards that are in PC's used by me and some family members, however they are for much older CPU's (one an AMD 3900X, and the other an Intel I9-9900K), so they are not affected by this issue. In general however, the MSI motherboards have been frustrating for a number of reasons. For example, those two I just mentioned led me through problems such as: The BIOS being too small in install the last three updates (the 3900X), and the other not enabling the PCIE options properly, leading to reboots of the PC 25% of the time to get the 10G network interface to initialize (and used three different interfaces that have no problem on my Asrock or ASUS motherboards I have in other PCs.

[@amartin3893]

The flaw in 13th and 14th chips is fatal. Nothing will fix it. RMA is no good either. A replacement chip will have the same issues. The only acceptable outcome is full refunds to everyone who has bought one.

[@PE4Doers]

I really hope my wording was misleading in the Video, but you are quite right - once the silicon in the chip has been degraded it cannot be repaired. The Chip will start to have strange error and probably completely fail at some near time. I made this video just give those who have not had damage 'yet', a way to limit or prevent it from degrading (never guaranteed of course), until the real fix is released. For example, in my specific case, I did not use the chip much at all except to initially test, and I did not run any severe stress testing on it at all. There may be others like me with the same situation.

[@evan-du3vk]

I have 13900 k for 8 months and don't have issue. It must be something with hardware of part of intel cpu. Becouse I have old bios and mine cpu is around 1.2 to 1.4 voltage in every scenario. Cinebench or unreal engine 5 and never had any stability issue. So really don't know why some of cpu drow more power.

[@skivvywaver]

I would not touch a 13th or 14th Intel chip knowing they are failing. If you are sitting on a brand new one I'd return that crap.

[@PE4Doers]

I am leaning your way - just to be safe. I cannot easily replace mine at this point however.

[@John-td9cp]

@@PE4Doers Me neither and mine works fine - but I am checking the settings and making sure everything is OK. I wonder if total system power draw has decreased since making the recommended changes.

[@PE4Doers]

@@John-td9cp I would say the power power has gone down, but that is something I did not want to risk testing before the BIOS upgrade.

[@John-td9cp]

@@PE4Doers Yeah just curious as I know what my total system power use was from the wall before the changes so I'll see what the difference is now.

[@PE4Doers]

@@John-td9cp I had that same curiosity, but not willing to risk crossing the degradation thresh-hold to prove it. I looked at some of my previous low-impact testing on the CPU, compared them to what I had previously, and deduced the 5 to 10% performance loss from that information.

[@timetorelaxfocus9642]

What UPS did you get?

[@PE4Doers]

I own four APC UPS units that output pure Sine Waves. Three are 1350 units for my three home office work areas, and one is a 1500 unit that supports my Network rack.

[@timetorelaxfocus9642]

@@PE4Doers I ask because the HP Omen has a 1200w psu, but actually uses 700w-799w. I was was asking around and got conflicting info on the UPS. I also would want to support Nighthawk X4 R7500v2 + and at least one of the 2 x 24" monitors. Product Description: HP OMEN 45L Gaming Desktop - 14th Gen Intel Core i9-14900K - GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super - Windows 11 Home. I was looking at a 1500va/1000w UPS and a larger one that does 1500va/1200w (it is huge and twice the cost). Any recommendation for this config? Appreciate any input.

[@PE4Doers]

@@timetorelaxfocus9642 WOW, I wish I had one of those. I believe the APC UPS would handle that based on my estimate of the power draw. How long it would last during a power outrage is another question however. That tend to be hit or miss based on the battery quality/age.

[@timetorelaxfocus9642]

@@PE4Doers Ok, I mean I would just be happy if I have enough time to save important work in an outage. Thanks!

[@John-td9cp]

I will always buy AMD from now on. Fuck Intel for doing this. At least tell people that you will fix the problem and help your customers. You had a chance to keep my loyalty but now I will no longer be loyal. AMD suffered during Intel's CORE series success but now AMD be Ryzen upto the top.

[@PE4Doers]

That is a way to go, of course. I am wondering what you mean by 'I had the chance to keep your loyalty. I am not partial to Intel or AMD. If you look through my videos I have built PCs with both.

[@kishin9]

All the 13th & 14th gen intel CPUs that was powered on has some damage the ones that was heavily used is even more damaged and the ones that crash are dead the 13th & 14th gen intel CPUs are just trash.

[@PE4Doers]

I agree. At this point we can only do what we have power to do, and hope their permanent damage. To your point, we also have to be mindful that the silicon has been stressed enough that the affects of a failure may only be delayed. Unfortunately, I think it will be a 'long road' trying to get an RMA accepted unless we have at least minimal evidence that damage may have taken place, unless Intel does a full recall of all the chips.