How to Research DNA Matches Without Living Relatives on One Line

[@timothywalter9527]

I love watching your videos. Thanks. My mother's maternal grandfather was 3 days old when his father died. Records are sparse. No known exact birthdate and conflicting information on his (mom's great grandfather) birthplace (England, NJ and PA), but other evidence shows it was most likely in Schuylkill County, PA. Using DNA. I was able to find records that show the mother, and apparently the father. However, the DNA suggests a name change/alternative father... both of which were rumored. I thought I had it solved through a family from Derbyshire, England, with dozens of matches in Ancestry's Thrulines once I put that in the tree. But, all the matches went up one line only. Using my great aunt's test (no possible Y testers), I noticed a subgroup of matches to a Virginia family. Upon further review, those matches had more matches up each line. The couple would be my great aunt's great great grandparents, and Thrulines shows multiple (mostly in the 8-10 range) up through all lines, including the German one. I am curious what you think of this? I have no information that suggests any family members from that lineage came to Pennsylvania in the 1850s or later. Some of the English matches share 78 cM, 100, 107, and 111. Largest segments being 46 and 58 cM. The Virginia cM levels are in the 30-40 cM level at the highest.

[@jamesmurray-up1qu]

I started an ANCESTOR project at GEDMATCH for our surname family group. It starts with 3 brothers came from England and everyone wants to match to them through DNA. Well that's not working. We all don't match but some match to others but it is 7 generations back. Doing Genealogy and matching Gedcom files has come to a roadblock. Generally one participant is just matching on 1 DNA segment, but no two people are matching on the same segment to the third person. Do you have any advise on what to do?

[@me1648]

Would love to know my mothers side as she was adopted and never knew her mother and farther. Due to this she sadly passed away without ever knowing her parents. I have already done my DNA test on Ancestry and got a lot on my farther side but nothing on my mothers side.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Do you have DNA matches that are all your mother's side of some you can't figure out. If you've figured out how all of your DNA matches relate to you father, the ones you can't figure out might be your mother's line.

[@evabrechtel4321]

Good luck in your search. When you start finding answers, the search will be so rewarding. Also you'll know that you mom was helping by pointing you in the right direction. Like leading you to this video!

[@nailahdawkins]

29:00: Half-aunt: The aunt shares *only* one parent with her siblings, either a bio Mom or bio Dad Half niece/nephew: Their parent (the person's aunt/uncle) shares one bio parent in relation their aunt or uncle First cousin: The kid(s) of your parent's siblings Great aunt: The sibling of a grandparent

[@melg1329]

Your fan chart made me dizzy 😃 I really like the way you have organised it all. I am going to use the fan layout for a different task . Thanks 👍

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Good luck

[@suzannechalifoux8587]

My husband and 3 of his cousins did a DNA test, with the best matches they all got at Ancestry, gave two same surnames. So we come up with 3 possibilities. 1: their grandfather had been adopted (my husband did a Y-DNA and he doesn’t have the grandfather surname), 2. Their grandmother (the wife of this grandfather) had 3 affairs with the same man who as the surname of my husband Y-DNA test) or 3. We presume that one son of the biological couple had an affair with one his cousin who has the other surname known. We are stuck!!! My husband’s sister will take a test and another cousin too. Hoping that will help! Do you have any suggestions? Thank you! Video very interesting!

[@ebonylewis1680]

This is needed for me. I get road blocked because my family died back in the early 80’s. 😔

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

There are many hurdles in both genetic genealogy and traditional genealogy. If you're a puzzle solver like me, you keep trying new things to see if you can make progress.

[@yahccs1]

If I do have a half uncle (instead of a step-uncle!) he'd be about the same age as my 1st cousins so telling those relationships apart by age is really tricky - unless you know more about their families.

[@annacalubiran4668]

i'm as new youtuber, i love that youy pause to think.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@MaryMullarkey1977]

A new follower. Hello from Chicago!

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Welcome!!

[@TheShender64]

Watching your video and the fan chart in family search do you need a family tree made up to have a fan chart ready? Next question do you a video on how to make a tree on family search?

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

To make the FamilySearch Fan Chart, you do need your tree on that platform. However, chances are it's already started. The website has collected data since the 1850s and seeded the initial tree in 2012 with their collected digitized genealogies. We have numerous videos about using FamilySearch. Check out the following video collections Beginner's Guide to FamilySearch kzbin.info/aero/PLcVx-GSCjcdmTQWonBrjNsalbOCH6ZcWx How to Fix the FamilySearch Family Tree kzbin.info/aero/PLcVx-GSCjcdnyGiTmGWWUXmo5NCvpPatw Merge FamilySearch Profiles Without Going Crazy kzbin.info/aero/PLcVx-GSCjcdlOMkubaOfDfCfIMGa7tezO Little-Known Trips for Making a FamilySearch Family Tree kzbin.info/aero/PLcVx-GSCjcdnt5cn8MgtCEkxRuA3q1yeN

[@Imccfrccpfs]

So, my grandfather had one sibling who had a child so far, to our knowledge they have not tested and the only matches are several generations back, like five up one over then five down, on my grandmother's side much easier as she had several siblings with multiple children who have tested along with their children and grandchildren.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

The problems that small ancestral families have on DNA is so real. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnunm3udZpiEnas

[@maryriser7836]

We are trying to figure out who a paternal grandfather was, we have narrowed down who the paternal grandfather's parents would be but we are stumped on which son is the grandfather.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

The next step would be to do descendancy research to find possible descendants who have tested (or who will test) to help triangulate to find the answer.

[@michelepainter9553]

There are Fb genealogy helps groups. They are very helpful 💗

[@BonnieDragonKat]

All the possibles for my dad are deseased. One of the possibles had a son, but they don't have an online presence so.... No contact and I am squeamish about reaching out. To get that far I had to use my 1st and second cousin matches.

[@jenniferw2770]

clear as mud

[@evecottom9966]

I run into this on my matrilineal side My mum was an only child, her mum only child and great grandmother was an only child.

[@wotdoin]

I have the same thing on my line. So frustrating!

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Devon feels your pain, but not to that extent.

[@gingercameronfordcrouch7057]

Q--So Eva's question regarding paternal haplo groups was a very good question! I was wondering the same thing. My ggf, gf, f, my f brother not living so no dna available. I had no brothers/siblings from my f only me. I have some definite male 1st cousins from my father's sisters. We have some 2nd cousins from great gf well they would be from 2/3 and up ggf so those unknown 2/3 cousins from a unknown gf line and up would share the same paternal haplo groups of my father or no? I am trying to find who my gf real father is hoping he has some other children and descendants which I think he does because of the unknown 2/3 cousin matches 1 as close as a 3C 1 is female I know not paternal hg but,so as close as 2C1(or)2R on 23andme only other place is ancestry doesn't do haplo groups. Love to do a leeder chart but don't have a computer only a phone. Problem is not knowing 2nd cousins ascendents/descendants until more matches are done and more records accessed. Where are these charts you are using from. And what is that email address again for questions? Was advised I could do a lender chart with index cards or I suppose with construction or notebook paper, etc.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Any cousin you use as a Y-DNA proxy for your father has to descend from just male lines. Once you put a female in there, the Y-DNA is lost.

[@gingercameronfordcrouch7057]

@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Yes of course I know no females for paternal haplo group just mentioned her because she's the only one on my 23andme tree that is only one on my great grandfather's branch and the only malevis a 3rd cousins off of the 3ggp branch but I think would be also off of the branch from her not sure though no response either of them yet. But if I could figure out a leeder chart for them and some others shared matches from 23 and ancestry maybe O can figure something out. I am waiting on some sales to get my mom to do a dna on both sites then from there trybto figure out how to do the other sites without a pc idk🤔maybe use a library pc not sure yet. Definitely gotta come up with a pc for myself. Budget is pretty tight so not sure yet. Gotta get some make first cousins to do dna on 23andme.com only first cousin 1 have on my dad's side I know fir sure is my first Cousin child so a 1C1R but female not a make so any male decendent from my gf/dads family side will tell paternal haplo group so then I could tell who any of my ggf side is? So do you think the male 3rd cousin on my 23 tree would have my great grandfather/father's paternal haplo group or same category or whatever it is called. Have to go back and listen to video again to get right terms!

[@cooperjdcox49]

Very good, I wonder how common is this?

[@cooperjdcox49]

By this I mean no DNA matches?

[@cooperjdcox49]

Let’s say a 2nd GGP? Sorry I am so scattered. Multitasking!

[@cooperjdcox49]

I’m leaning towards a 2nd GGP in name only because there are many descendants that could have a tested relative.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

It's more common that we would suspect. However, finding the answer to our specific lines requires us to do descendancy research from the generation above the one we're researching. Then searching for potential genetic relatives to test. Also, figuring out how we're related to other descendants of 2nd GGps from the other lines. Then, what we have left we process to figure out our answers. Confused?

[@tammydriver5759]

You have your own, but nobody else from your paternal side, and that's the side you're trying to trace, and there aren't any records in that part of the Ukraine. Father was born in 1909 in Vapniarka, Grandmother was born in Tulchyn 1888/89, Grandfather completely unknown.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

You're in a bind because that part of the world also doesn't heavily participate in genetic genealogy. Sadly, not everyone will be able to research all of their lines due to varying restrictions around the globe. Patience and prayer is your next bet that that situation changes.

[@Historian212]

Jumps into analyzing the leads chart without the slightest explanation of how it was derived and what it represents. What video do we need to watch first so that we can understand this discussion? Terrible.

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Thank you for jumping in and trying to learn. We have over 500 videos on this channel. If my wife was staffing the comments during the live stream, you would have found the link to this video in the chat. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2iXfX2vn9aib8U She was unavailable as she needed to spend time with our boys. But, you have the link now so you should be all set.

[@melsolomon8256]

????? lost me quickly

[@childofgod153]

I have downloaded my family tree to gedcom. is there a video explaining whats to come

[@FamilyHistoryFanatics]

Step one: Download family trees as GEDcom file and upload to various platforms. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6K2n3pserN0qJo Step two for DNA transferring to GEDmatch: kzbin.info/aero/PLcVx-GSCjcdm0tp4zds5GK0OkvmzsAeQb What come next all depends on the research question you're asking. Have you watched my wife's beginning genealogy videos" What Every Beginning Genealogist Needs to Know kzbin.info/aero/PLcVx-GSCjcdmx3tuunJC_oJ9Qq4bsRhew