How to Save Elder Rifts and Fix the Market in Diablo Immortal

How to Save Elder Rifts and Fix the Market in Diablo Immortal
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[@Gintello9]

Tbh if blizzard wanted bots gone it would have been done by now... The fix will always be to hire dedicated GMs that keep the game clean. It wouldn't be 100% effective but around that 95% mark would be amazing.

[@Tommy-cm9pb]

I’ll keep saying it. Reduce the price of crests and orbs Get more plat in the game. The market will level out.

[@FoMobileGaming]

You'd have to reduce the price of crests and orbs to 0 to have the market level out at this point since the majority of the playerbase is f2p.

[@SweatyPVPness]

That will have 0 effect on cheating and only further make supply blow demand out of the equation. No one will need to use the market at all. Cheaters will always have their supply purchased 1st lowest price. So legit players will just continue using orb to platinum convert.

[@Sals-Clips]

Folks don’t understand that when there is blatant cheating in a game and the devs are acting dumb as to what’s going on and NOTHING NEVER GETS DONE to eradicate the problem, It’s because they are in on it and profiting.

[@drewtate5409]

Of course, doesn't matter if they don't make money with legal crest. They get to reimburse the money to the stollen reedit card holder but they make the money from legit players buying platinum as a currency to buy the cheap gems. Whales aren't spending anymore, they already have what they need, now u make low spenders go crazy with spending bringing up blizzards income. Its actually pretty genius move from them to revive their real life income which means they don't really care about the game, they gonna bleed out the cash cow and just let it die in thr future, that's until immortal 2 comes out

[@luissierra5480]

I agree they are benefitting and besides that the idea of limiting wont work they are botting they will just run it 10 times and make running dungeons worst

[@badmintonmalaysia7529]

they so busy banning legit accounts..

[@davidnonya320]

yep that's what i was thinking.

[@SweatyPVPness]

15k orb accounts, are a federal crime, taking across all of North America spamming bots makes it a National act of terror... They are morons to let this go unchecked and profit off of it when the American economy is more fragile than it has ever been in anyone's lifetime still living today.

[@jaroslavfabian3860]

I can finally afford 5 star gem as a low spender so I am not complaining at all

[@garythompson8545]

Deadass facts my guy

[@diablolucifer6780]

The susan problem started when blizzard merged 3 servers together, this caused the susan problem to triple on each server merged . So the susan problem is all Blizzard's fault

[@SimonBannow]

Reported 5 bots within 20 min earlier today(Elder Rift), I think I deserve a reward

[@vendeda01]

The market is fine. It shouldn’t cost $70,000 to max character.

[@brothercaptainmundo]

What about if the player must cause damage to the end of boss and open the chest?

[@SeveN_TP]

This.. plus the gem chest opens next to the player who did the most dmg, not at spawn point.

[@stefanzadura866]

Sorry I totally disagree on this idea. I've been in rifts with whales that are so fast and strong they'll literally run it by themselves and by the time I catch up with them, the boss is done, and I shouldn't be rewarded for genuinely doing the rift? No. And I do 25K damage with 35K cr so before u say I'm just too weak to run a random player rift. Just sayin

[@garythompson8545]

Yea and what about when the fuckin boss spawns on opposite side of map and you don't make it in time to even do damage to the boss? You see how you didn't think before speaking ?

[@drewtate5409]

Bots can just be programmed to make them follow players and spam auto attacks every certain amount of time

[@DK.Gaming709]

It adds to the pity counter. You left the rift. You never got the legendary gem. You did get your legendary crests back. HOWEVER! You knocked 10 off the pity counter. You exit 4 rifts, and real players finish. Your 5th rift is guaranteed a 5* legendary gem. This is what Susan Bots are doing

[@SweatyPVPness]

The actual trick going on is here

[@DK.Gaming709]

@@SweatyPVPness it's what they do 🤷‍♂️

[@SweatyPVPness]

@DK.Gaming709 since day 1 problem, but now that the legit population is fallen to a minority, and cheat2win the majority a huge compounding problem that is impossible to hide from the public, shareholders, and authorities that look into credit card fraud on a national scale. Back charging $200 for 15k orb accounts in public ROFL.. All the time in worldchat for $4-$8 pilot account feeding in front of everyone.

[@masterEEE]

Or just reward players with a bound leg crests for a successful bot report and ban and let hunting season begin

[@keegancrowder1880]

Witch hunt! Hahaha

[@shacktrocitygaming4383]

There are an estimated 1500+ bots on my server running crests. All removing the 10x option will do is increase the number of bots to get the same results. I think you’re making an error in how you’re viewing bots…these aren’t actual players running these rifts, it’s just a server running a bunch of VMs passively. This solution just requires a minimal increase in computing power to overcome on Susan’s end, it’s not a fix Blizz will never go for it since reducing the number of crests reduces their potential profit. If they actually cared (which they clearly don’t) they’d already be playing an aggressive game of whack-a-mole filtering for players that meet the criteria of the bots.

[@Feral_LLS]

Finally, an intelligent comment! I’ve seen so many people comment on his videos to explain the bot method, what they do with the gems, the platinum, getting credit card, refunds, etc., is how they get so much money and selling the platinum of course

[@SweatyPVPness]

This back charge method has been in the game since day 1... The problem is growing popularity of it in desperation to keep paying bills by method (cheaters have bills too) and a massive loss of legit spenders. So it's painfully obvious now.

[@diablolucifer6780]

Blizzard needs to reduce the price of obols crests and platinum accordingly and reduce the price of their packs they sell because they dont reflect value for money anymore

[@jessgarcia8678]

What about having a minimum level to use a legendary crest? Must be above 60 to at least use one. 60 and below can only use Rare crest.

[@otherme1389]

Literally what I was thinking! We'll still have BOT issues if they can continue to run Legs. - You run just the Rare Crests until reaching Level 60 or Like Echo said, maybe 100 Paragon.

[@drewtate5409]

U do know that bots can get to 300 Paragon no problem, right? U do know that now u would have bots all over the map lazy farming all the time. Not only not fixing the inicial problem but making another one in the way. Now u will have a fked up market and u won't let ur player base have farming spots anymore

[@christopherbrewer6211]

I don't want to turn anybody away from playing any part of the game. This game is great. How about if they leave the elder rift regardless of what they acquired and they didn't finish the elder rift. Then they only get the crests that they put into it in the mail. And they lose everything else

[@shazkhan9295]

They don't get their crests back, just the gems. The reason they afk and just exit is because they are bots that don't have the power or programming to actually run the rift. They know real players will do it so they don't have to. They're fully automatic fresh accounts just farming crests bought from fraudulent credit card purchases. They probably list the gems immediately on the market and the account owners (susan) will fulfill any of their plat orders with the proceeds from the sales.

[@shazkhan9295]

Also level gating would likely not help, bot farms can run a dozen accounts at a time on a single machine. It's a f2p game so they can spin up and level unlimited accounts with minimal human interaction.

[@xrisku]

He's been told all this repeatedly - It's either crests or gems, not both. This guy is not the sharpest tool in the shed bcz he keeps spreads disinformation, FFS. And sadly he's a popular diablo partner. The more knowledgeable partners never seem to be as popular. DM was the same beforeEcho. Confused all the time. LoL.

[@fatninja84]

I think if you enter a rift and back out you lose a crest( like a back out fee) and you just dont get rewards for the other 9, and the fading embers stay in the rift for the remaining players...it's pretty simple

[@ChrisGore-ey1yt]

Blizz would have to implement a "Are you sure you want to exit?" pop up when clicking the portal to backout because right now, clicking the portal takes you right out. I mention this because, sometimes after spawning in, one may accidentally click the portal when actually trying to start running to play. And also, some solo players prefer to back out if they aren't fond of the RNG map given at spawn and/or really don't like the RNG negative affixes given on a run, and then just try again. I myself (solo play) back out of the lava caverns because it just takes too long (usually) versus the other maps.

[@CHUCKIT]

If your getting the gems and not the crests, it means they are leaving early just to save time. It's so they can farm faster.

[@periklo2001]

The problem with that idea is that it hurts everyone at Blizzard because it loses money because sales are decreasing,bots because it's harder to get platinum and ordinary players because the amount of fanding embar depends on the number of crests in the elder rift .with the reduction of crests, there is also a fanding ember

[@gtd9536]

You might not have the entire hack? This is all speculation but may be.... You need a multi char character account with a sacrificial alternate. (Perhaps just a 2-only char account?) Run the elders with crests on your alternate. Exit elders. Then delete your alternate. Hop onto your main. Open email. I don't know if that will "do" anything. I'm speculating that maybe the bots are transferring crests from one char to another, instead of using the market "trick" of selling gems at the highest price since the price-trick is no longer available.

[@kevinmccord9078]

They could just match it to your difficulty rating. Hell 1-3 grouped together, Infernal grouped together. It would watch the already existing world maps.

[@darkracer86]

Some tips for our collective sanity: 1. If you’re the leader, kick them immediately. 2. Leave the group if you see them show up. 3. Report/block. 4. If you recognize the naming pattern and level, report everywhere you see them. Camping by rift and market most of the time. 5. Drown the system with ACCURATE reporting. Select scam/fraud. It shouldn’t be like this, but only we can save ourselves.

[@thomaswischenbart3457]

Why Its cheating?

[@dolomite13]

Limiting elder rifts like that is not the answer. It is not a fix. The answer is to take away the exploit. And incentivize staying together as a party. 1) Make it so you must be within some distance of the boss when it dies to get rewards. 2) Make it so the boss at the end spawns closest to the player with highest number of kills. 3) Split elder rifts into hell and inferno so that low levels only run with low levels. If you must add a penalty, you could give someone a "deserter" timer if they leave before the elder rift ends and lock them out for 10 or 15 minutes. Those would make a real difference.

[@corybc75]

Love your idea I hope they can come up with any kind of fix your idea is just super I mean yes it’s beneficial for the buyer. It’s help me upgrade a couple legendary five stars but I felt dirty doing it if that sounds crazy but it’s rough enough going in there are people using no crest at all with a 10 legendary run And there’s enough rumors of people having bots in the game. And people pilot them and selling accounts for 20 K and now they’re farming the elder right in front of your face so don’t give up. Keep trying keep talking to blizzard and net ease got faith in you brother.

[@ChrisGore-ey1yt]

This could also be a deterrent for potential new big spenders coming to the game, for they are ready to spend and use crests as soon as they possibly can.

[@luissierra5480]

I just spent$1000 and bought a bunch of 5 stars. As long as susan keeps selling cheap i will keep buying every month

[@kennethso6811]

Isn’t it obvious what Susan is doing? They don’t have any gear to complete rifts. It’s time consuming to do it. The character will eventually be deleted. So, they basically jump in and let you do all the work. Then, get the rewards in the mail.

[@danielsells292]

I came back and in one month I got over 250 paragon levels 😅

[@MeetMeAtTheKiosk]

That's just the thing...blizzard doesn't care who is buying the crests....money is money

[@dajoka696]

Quicker fix would be bump up server caps, example. instead of being lvl 15 to type in world chat, make it lvl 40. It wouldnt stop them but slow them down bc of lvling

[@kelvinmorris1991]

Or maybe Blizzard is Susan lol

[@solinari4101]

I agree with the 50 lvls. drastic times, and all

[@drewtate5409]

It doesn't fix anything dude. It will make it worse inside the game. I will see bots lazy farming all over the map, ot mau slow them down for a week or so but when they get to the Paragon level then they will run crest as normal while new vote are auto leveling. The idea is horrible as it will not fox a thing and will make the game worst for all of us who want to owf

[@ralfmahadik]

What they are farming is fading ember and using ELC is so no one remove them and get extra benefit of crest to get fading embers that is what i think.

[@DavidHeathHomebrew]

Very good points raised here. The devs must act soon…

[@BeholdOmega]

I commend your efforts to help with elder rifts Echo!

[@tzrunthetrap]

Easiest fix, below 300 paragon and 20k ce, no players are allowed to purchase or able to get purple crest, only red is available for them. Noone gets harmed, bots will leave as it takes longer to get the cr and paragon, they may run red but that would be all they could do. And regular players will be roaming freely in rifts etc. For the normal gem drops, noone under 5000cr gets any gem from 4 man party ow farm. My cluster market is dead to grounds, bottled hope selling for less than 19k, bsj high 20ks, seeping for 16k etc. Those bots harmed our cluster way too much.

[@auggie618]

While what you are proposing is a fix to elder rifts. It still does not fix the issue of low-priced normal gems flooded in the market. They need to implement some time of minimum CR/Paragon to access the market as a whole.

[@smh7422]

Susan is now selling pets for plat. Crests/elder rifts is now not anymore their main market. Now you get pets for free, self then to Susan for Plan. You no longer need to buy crests to make plat. In the end it’s Free Plat

[@DK.Gaming709]

Just make sure it doesn't affect the pity counter unless the player completes the rift while being in the rift. Easy fix.

[@rickkube4608]

Need to do something with the BOTS or whatever they are that sit in one area and do that away from keyboard farming.... was in the dredlands trying to do quest, and over 16 of them in one spot! Really gets me mad as hell.....

[@kimjohansen5687]

Just do like when farming, standing still for 30 sec = dead. Dead for 30 sec auto kick. Leave or kicked before end your leg crest are returned but no loot for u

[@moviegeek7]

Is it worth saving up for the legendary Paragon skills and if so, which one is the best ..

[@MeetMeAtTheKiosk]

Eventually you will max all the trees and they will accumulate...I have 14 atm that I can't even spend...

[@analyticsx3]

A cheaper market is a good thing. I bet people are buying more platinum to get more gems than to spend at higher prices and maybe only get 1.

[@MarcinSzajek]

I have better idea: just detect bots and kick them :)

[@Gustorp74]

Blizzard should have fixed prices on leg gems like 30k/ star

[@TradIrishHarper]

Here is what I think the devs on the bots side are doing. They are manipulating the requests coming and going from the Diablo server to give them certain things. They do this through various utilities hackers usually utilize.

[@Camersan]

Auto-Ban any Low Levels that try to Run 10x Purples. Any Whales that are going Play the Game are already here. Or if they do Multiple Runs of 3x Purples.

[@nobodybuttu]

like way before u cant run raid if u didnt finish vault raid they should also make a no raid no elder rift policy

[@cainemarshall4346]

how do you identify between a real whos new, and a fake account, this is all just a bad idea thats going to drive the players away from starting a new account or charactar honestly all this is a bad idea, and the solution has to come from blizzard / net ease how is it every other game doesnt have face payment with fake accounts and blizzard does sorry at this point your just spewing ideas out for content at this point! ..........

[@BikelifeNp]

Yeah I'm just starting out on the game. I got to level 60 Paragon level 9 now. I don't cheat but I'm interested in the game. People keep telling me it's a money lynching game and to not even worry about playing it. What are your thoughts on the brand new player platform? Is the game still worth playing?

[@l.lawliet03981]

yes its worth it to play… I started the game like 9days ago playing and now im on paragon 385 and defeated some 3months player on the game and im f2p…. just learn the mechanics and builds

[@seacheller]

Good idea but that will be a bad experience for new players and no one would like to team up with them. The only fix is for Blizzard to make an action and start caring not just on their profits.

[@Patzaz]

Bre......this is never gonna happen. Your suggesting caps/requirements on how quickly people can spend money. Yea bots are a problem but you still have real people at low levels buying and playing....optimistic but never gonna happen....

[@eleanornelson5810]

I’ve been playing since the beginning. This was the last straw for me. I quit last week. At least I got to be in an Immortal clan before the game crushed my spirit. Adios Diablo Immortal!

[@MeetMeAtTheKiosk]

Lvl 60 requirement and only be able to run 3 at a time with a max of 25 crests a day unless you are within required CR for the difficulty...I dunno just thinking

[@denniskong]

Every time I see even one of those dudes running Elder Rift on the part, I simply just leave the party. If I can't find any other actual players, I just run it solo and still get better gems most of the time so now I usually just solo Elders Rift and not having to deal with them at all.

[@andremccormick2680]

Honestly the three crest only is a horrible solution. It hurts actual players and bots will just run 3 and be more of a nuisance in rifts.

[@nrjatcaverna9206]

It's about time the market crash as a p2w an casual day 1 player I don't mind run orange or purple crests an when I want stuff off the market an can afford to fund my account it's affordable for orb to plat conversion to buy direct from market so happy days

[@robertstanfield9024]

I think that is a great idea ( paragon level idea )

[@pixie0714]

I am broke. I made plat by selling skill stones. Who sells a skill stone at 411 when it takes 500 to imbue?????

[@TononiaWorld]

Just when you see them, report, these players are working from the same data server or IP and blizzard can block

[@nobodybuttu]

i think they should make all players finish raid first before they can run elder rift

[@Rock-DT]

Make it to where you need to be in the Hell lvl that your lvl is. If you're lvl 35, then you can not run a Hell 2 Elder Rift

[@TononiaWorld]

Greetings @Echo, it will kill it for dad's like me that have 1 or 2 hours a day and can't really play every day. for me what you suggest would kill the possibility of catching up.

[@betonline88]

EASY, tell Blizzard to stop refunding people!

[@karenhaley58]

Another way to stop the low levels is to NOT use party finder. Lol😅😅😂😂

[@KTess189]

That’s a bad idea , new Wells can’t spend more money , the company will lose money they will never ever do that

[@iStylLzZ]

No if you back out of an elder rift before it’s done you should get blocked from joining and have the cooldown grow exponentially until you wouldn’t be able to do elder rifts for months

[@mariosimoes8216]

Just wanna say, Im not getting any Legendary gear, none, not in dungeons, none in raids, zero in bountys and zero, zero in beastary, so why, just changed class and cant get any essences.. very furstrating

[@LauraCastro-df1cn]

Awsome idea.👍🏻

[@adriangr1826]

I think those players have mods, I've seen players who had unlocked and inferno only had very low levels

[@JohnSmith-xq4ux]

It could fix the issue for the community but running 10 eternal cost $26.67 vs 3 at &7.98. What do you think the greedy bastard at blizzard going to do.😅😅😅

[@Obiwan9]

If the gems are going down in price. I don’t care whales are buying and selling regardless of price. gems at lower plat prices boo hoo I’m not complaining drop the price even more so it’s not worth the farm to sell them at those crazy prices

[@iwannabefred_]

tysm bro, im running as a barb😁newbie

[@Roblerw]

We are assuming that these are players and not bots. If these are bots and this gets implemented, we will now see them using 10 bots with one crest each to get the same result. 😂

[@KTess189]

And it’s bad for people free gamers , and low spenders

[@Skyworth111]

I want to say what they are doing but i feel almost all whale already know the exploit and people who rarely runleg crest will not notice the bug. This has been in the system since day 1. But was fix last 2022dec but did not totally remove the bug.

[@Skyworth111]

Also all comments i see ragarding their theory about why the bots are doing this are almost coming from people who dont really run alot leg crest. If you have run multiple 1000s leg crest run you will notice the pattern aka bug

[@fentanylek]

​@@Skyworth111i ran thousands and i still dont get it.

[@karenhaley58]

Wait. They can’t sell orange leg gem rewards

[@davidnonya320]

I don't mind i find it cheaper to play the game now.

[@xrisku]

Omg they dont get their crests back. Sigh

[@KellordGaming]

Or what if they limit the market selling till paragon?

[@SweatyPVPness]

That will increase the price on 15k orb accounts from 4 $4-$8 they only last for 3 hours now. To a range that is relevant to the new hourly time it takes for bots to level to needed level to buy and back charge. At the moment 3 hours isn't long enough to sell 2star and 5star gems they are selling 1star gems and then transferring platinum to main account before ban. ~Honos (paraphrasing a bold pilot and what he revealed in WorldChat)

[@berndhase4399]

Some of the farmers do participate.

[@johnathenevans7180]

Do it like Diablo 2 and have seasons so all this shit ppl bought would go to non ladder. I fear the only way to fully fix the problem is to separate the whales(or market) from the free to play ppl. But obviously they're not gonna piss off the cash cows yet.

[@cfwphotography]

I think this is not a good idea. People who are going to whale legitimately can’t do that and the whales are the ones paying for our continued dev attention and new content. There has to be a better way.

[@TheRealRocknRolla-4]

They run thousands of rifts, they get bored and you are doing rift instead of them, they watch KZbin or something

[@KTess189]

People can’t use 10 that’s bad for all people, big wells , small spenders , and free gamers, they will never do that , this is a business , i’m a free gamer , you just need to deal with it and move on

[@NedelcheV-s1x9]

So you're telling me that Blizzard gives a F which level are you to buy 10 ELC? 😂 You're telling them to slow down the phase of people buying ELC?! 🤣

[@leftfoot3140]

How do they earn so many eternal crest, they must be giving money to blizzard. Doubt blizzard will care about it if they are making money off of them bots.

[@CrazyhorseDK]

Susan won on wow and they sure rule this game too you get no platinum and bots rule the markets

[@dok2k33]

Nice! thx

[@jamesmechaelcajegas8790]

Sir echo maybe theres a trick like some kind a lvl or maybe time when they that it puzzlecme then

[@stefanzadura866]

So wait....let me get this right so i dont think im in bizzaro world. The guy that makes videos on his 100 crest runs he has done more than a few of, with "gifted " crests, orbs, cos, etc, is complaining about other players or bots, ruining the experience? Well yes, OUR experience, not his. Whats next?....he gets real gold bars sent to him but complains they are too heavy to carry? Lol

[@JonnMcLoed-vo3fe]

I finally quit the game because Blizzard seriously doesn't care about these bots. The servers are virtually empty now and tge high end max people are leaving as normal to other games without being replaced. The game will probably limp on till next year but dont expect support for 2026

[@АлексМихайлов-ч6э]

All is becaurse the game is too waleish, the price in my country are doble so why bother spending money if I'm not a streamer or content creator , atleast so i can afford spending money and time but at this point is useless to play and have fun if you cannot progress and there are bots

[@garythompson8545]

I thought u debunked them getting crests and gems just gems

[@larrykam]

new legit player how to chase up game with low reso ?

[@sagghe1984]

What about denying the ability to leave the rift? If you join the rift, you should be forced to complete the rift to leave, even if you die...you stay in the rift until the other players complete the rift.

[@stefanzadura866]

That's not a bad idea. And probably super easy from bliz to do....so that's why it won't get done lol

[@kustomlook3434]

That just makes it harder on the ones actually fighting because a lot of the time the boss spawns at the entrance because of this

[@sagghe1984]

@@kustomlook3434 so this i didnt know as im normally a solo player, and knowing blizzard; the ai would view a corpse as a player and still spawn there.

[@davidbyron6981]

Same here and leave early

[@johnhall6353]

Red October idea sounds great

[@drewtate5409]

Its a terrible idea. Bots can farm Paragon levels no problem. U would only stop them for about 3 days and then u would start seeing bots at current Paragon level inside elder rifts and new ones at over world just lazy farming all over the map. This "brilliant idea" will not only not fix the problem but it will make another one in the process

[@RedOctober2226]

You are absolutely correct ​@@drewtate5409. It won't "fix" the issue. The system will find a way to get around it. But it makes the bar to enter that much harder. It does require a developers intervention.

[@thomasclayton3284]

@@drewtate5409 These current bots are burner accounts. They sell gems super low to get the transactions done quickly before the account is banned. They can't maintain this proccess at current paragon as they'd banned long before then. Not saying they wouldn't come up with something new, but this particular process they are doing with burner accounts would get hurt.

[@nobodybuttu]

u can only run 10 crest if ur lvl300 paragon🤣

[@alexbueno2235]

Watch you get banned for trying to prove it but the real problem players keep it up 😅

[@francoismarquis7002]

Stop saying fix the market man !! It's the best market for us until 2 year😊