How to Sharpen a Cylinder mower // Back lapping

[@katdenmark]

Thank you - great video. You just saved me for a trip to the dealer for grinding. Now my mower runs like new through the long grass after the winter. And I didn't even have the grinding paste, so I had to use what I had. I grinded the edge of the blades with metal grinding paper until they shined (mower turned off), sprayed with WD40 over it all and adjusted the screws to find the right position for the transverse knife. Shortly after the mower worked very fine again - before it could not cut through the long grass and stopped. I will also buy some grinding paste to try the next time. Greetings from Denmark 🙂

[@georgebayliss3291]

Does the stationary bottom blade need to be sharpened too? If so, how?

[@maggieallen807]

What a gorgeous young man. With some very useful information. I had a quote of £80 to sharpen my rotary blade lawnmower.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you Maggie 😂. I really hope this helps! A cylinder blade I could imagine being around £50 or so. For a rotary that’s really too much, the chances are you could replace the blade for less than £30 🙂🌱

[@maggieallen807]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance I only bought the lawnmower last year. Thank you, this is very helpful.

[@willo300]

Great tutorial, demystifies the process 👍

[@howardroberts5704]

Could you show how to take the reel out of the Web push mower. I have one myself and wanting to replace the reel with one that has more than 5 blades so I can get the length on the grass down to 4mm. I have found a way to lower the height on it with some modifications but 5 blades is not enought for the height I want to cut at

[@07BLUESTORM]

Nice 👌 Better than half of the other videos of this nature. Thanks for the Grinding Paste tip.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you very much !😄🌱 try to do it a bit different where possible, I’m glad it has helped 💪🏽🌱

[@d1ppaz]

Brill vid! I’m looking to purchase a new mower and was wondering, what’s the diff between Balmoral, Atco, Suffolk punch, Qualcast and Allett ? What one would you recommend

[@oddjobtriumph1635]

Just bought myself a Mid 50's Webb Witch ...very good condition...been refurbished ...just needs the blades honing up

[@M.G.Expeditions]

Top man ... thanks blade is now cutting like a barbers clippers

[@snooksnufc8801]

Excellent video well explained, lovely lawn.

[@darrenmackenzie1892]

Would you still achieve such a perfect lawn if you had a electric normal mower??

[@runesejerhoffmann4491]

Hey Jay, good luck with your new channel, great content so far, i will be following. Cheers from Danmark 👍😊

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hi there ! Thank you very much for your support, I really appreciate you leaving a message for me 🙌🏽. Got a new videos dropping end of the week 👀😁

[@mattycooper316]

Those stripes 🔥 good luck with your channel

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Matty Cooper thank you very much matty 😁 I really appreciate your support 🙌🏽

[@samgarrood5758]

Just bought a suffolk punch petrol- she is in bad nick. Will be following this

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hopefully this helps mate ! You’ll love it when she’s up and running well

[@vicmills7702]

Hello Jay Good video. Can I ask what's the push mower like. Do our when do you use it Thanks

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

I actually don’t use it much.. but that is only because I have a better machine. For something that is push operated it works very well and cuts very well, it takes several passes to get a decent stripe though 😄

[@ripleysautos5207]

Brilliant video.. grass looks soo good at the end too 🔧🔧

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you very much!😄

[@KevMaf]

Very informative 👍

[@mattcooley1367]

May sound like a stupid question but with the grinding paste do you use the fine or corse side?

[@Premier_lawns_official]

Great lawn

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Premier Lawns thank you very much ! It was such a state start of the year and has came a long way since.. benefit of a smaller lawn I suppose 😂. Lovely one yourself 👍🏼

[@Premier_lawns_official]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance It's a real credit to you, small ones can be harder to get right, a blemish on a bigger lawn is easier to hide. Well done and welcome to KZbin

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Premier Lawns I appreciate that and also you checking out my channel 🙌🏽. The warm welcome is very appreciated 😌

[@gmog7857]

What grass seed are you using? and is the lawn mower Webb WEH12R Hand Push Cylinder Lawnmower?🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Yes it is a hand push !😄. The grass seed was from Amazon it was a generic rye grass & creeping red fescue mix 🙂🌱

[@paulyeomans8507]

I've got an old Webb Whippet probably from the 50's/60's i'm going to try and use the grinding paste on it and backlap it. Our lawns are quite small, i'm not sure if its worth getting a petrol cylinder or not...

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Paul, the ones from that era are a different level ! You’ll find if you can get that blade sharp then it will cut like a dream!🌱

[@paulyeomans8507]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance Thank you buddy. I'll let you know how I get on!

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

@@paulyeomans8507 thanks mate ! It’s always good to hear how things are working 💪🏽

[@mattbuckley7309]

Hi Paul, I've just been handed down my Grandads Webb Whippet and looking to restore it. I'm not sure if I am missing anything but I can't see a way to lower the cylinder closer to the bedknife? Have you managed to backlap yours yet? @JayRock Lawn Care & Gardening, great video and thanks for the info!

[@mattbuckley7309]

I wasn't using my eyes, just spotted the rod that braces the front has nuts either side to rise or lower the cylinder!

[@davidclarke1679]

I have watched this video plus another for Allett mower both very similar except Jay said says rotate cylinder clockwise whereas the other says put drill in reverse (ante clockwise) which one is correct or are they both correct?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Yea David so you want the blade turning away from the bed knife 👍🏼🌱

[@paulfairchild3461]

Great 👍 looking lawn very informative 👍

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you very much for watching Paul, I’m glad you have enjoyed it 🙌🏽

[@paulmurray5730]

Great video. Cheers. How do you remove the cylinder itself from the casing eg to replace / weld a blade. Can it remove the nut, worried I might bugger it up

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you Paul! I have never actually removed the cylinder from The casing, although if you got in touch with Allett they have a great customer service to advise with that type of thing 💪🏽🌱

[@paulmurray5730]

Great of you to reply so quickly. Thanks! I meant to ask, why did you drop the cylinder down one click ; this was up to around the 3:30 mark

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

@@paulmurray5730 no problem! It increases the sharpening by dropping the depth 🙌🏽🌱

[@robertsaez3587]

Hey mate, with the Webb mower what is the rear roller made out of? And does the mower stripe the grass well?

[@benlai7975]

Is it worth buy this one?

[@grahamsoundy7971]

Is your grinding paste water soluble/washable ?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

I’m not 100% Graham, the link is in the description if you require full info 👍🏼🌱

[@roberthamilton2334]

Great mower the petrol cylinder, trying to get my hands on one of them if I can!!

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Facebook marketplace 😄

[@07BLUESTORM]

Hi Jay, thanks for your Great video. Could you please tell the make/brand of the manual push mower in this video. Cheers 👍

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

That’s brilliant, not a problem !😄. It is a Webb H12R. I actually touch on it in my latest video 🙂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJXJnYOHqdCsqLc

[@07BLUESTORM]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance cheers mate. I'm gonna buy one. I've got a cheap rotary electric mower at the moment with a long cord, very blunt and the grass is screaming at me everytime I cut it. 🤣👍 Keep up the Great videos and tunes soon.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

@@07BLUESTORM ahh brilliant ! It’s very light but leaves a nice cut ! Definitely, hope you enjoy what’s coming !😄 take care 🌱🌱

[@henrysiegertsz8204]

Lovely job!I think I'll try with sandpaper as it might be less messy!

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you for commenting Henry!😄🌱 I’ve heard people get good results with them too🙌🏽☀️

[@davidbeck1696]

Great post. Gonna get too it myself. What do you use to get your grass so green please

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hi David ! It’s great to keep on top of your machinery 🙌🏽 The fertiliser I use also includes Iron Sulphate, the Nitrogen and Iron combined really makes the lawn POP💥. totallawn.co.uk/?ref=VsKVqv3DmBpJH If that link doesn’t work you can get to it in the link in my Bio on Instagram under Total Lawn 🙌🏽. You can also get 10% off your order if you wish with the code: JAYROCKLAWNCARE it’s great stuff 💪🏽

[@davidbeck1696]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance bugger I ordered before reading this one and missed the discount lol. Never mind. Thanks for the heads up. I went out a got myself a Suffolk punch 43sk yesterday so gonna get to work on that and mean time use this feed. Thank you much for your help.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

@@davidbeck1696 ah well it won’t run out so hopefully can help next time 😄. Oh nice ! They are such good machines, hope it serves you well😄

[@williamwalker3837]

What is the difference between the Atco Balmoral 14sk and the Qualcast Classic 35s, apart from the engine. How much would you expect to pay for a good Balmoral.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hi William ! They are all basically the same, balmoral, Allett, Atco, Suffolk Punch, Qualcast, balmoral I have seen go for anything between £150-£400 second hand I would hope to grab one for under £250 😄

[@williamwalker3837]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance I was looking at an excellent Atco Balmoral 14sk for 400£. However it would cost me another £150 for delivery. Can only find a Qualcast Classic 35s locally for £260 with the Tecumseh engine! The Atco has the Kawasaki. The Atco will stand me £560 if I buy it. Am I mad?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

@@williamwalker3837 yeah it’s probably worth that much too in brilliant condition, it’s basically the Allett Kensington 💪🏽. The thing is in good condition it’s a good investment. Kensington is something like £1500, so your getting one 1/3 of the price just slightly older - not much will go wrong with a well kept mower, maybe just the pulleys that wear out and cost £10 or so to replace. If it has a scarifier cartridge I would say go for it ! If not maybe bring him down to £500 !😄

[@fuzexi]

Did you use the coarse paste or the fine paste

[@pcxcado]

Brilliant content buddy. Keep up the good work.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you very much for watching ! 😄

[@williamwalker3837]

Can I ask if you've tried using the other Allett cartridges with it, ie. the scarifier, verticutter etc.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

I have a scarifier cartridge that works perfect. I have been assured by Laura at Allett Mowers that they are compatible

[@slowsteadysteve6565]

Great information had no idea about grinding paste I was trying a file on my blades but if you don’t know you don’t know

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Exactly pal, if the blades are really blunt though I would suggest getting them sent in to be serviced and re grinded properly, although backlapping is great to just keep on top of it 😄🌱

[@chrisgreenthumb6906]

I found that the idea of a cylinder mower was logical when I got one but in reality to get it serviced and the blade sharpened the cost involved was more yearly than what the mower was worth and just to get the cylinder blade sharpened professionally and have the blade balanced was hundreds of pounds that I wasn’t going to pay as I wasn’t cutting golf or bowling greens so it didn’t make sense. I tried this method and a few more to no success nothing really worked well enough so I ended up selling it and I went back to the old rotary petrol mower. So think twice before spending good money on buying a cylinder mower I had a qualcast classic it was over ten years old when I bought it was in good condition engine was Italian I payed 200 pounds for it and sold it after a year as it wasn’t affordable to maintain.

[@williamwalker3837]

Hi Jay, I see that you are using a Qualcast Classic 35S. How would you rate them when it comes to achieving quality stripes.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

William, please have a flick through some of my videos I have done quite a few with this mower laying gorgeous stripes 😄 this one is actually a Suffolk Punch 14sk (all of them are basically the same) but they are fantastic 😄🌱

[@fuzexi]

Does it matter which way you turn the blade?

[@drholiday903]

Great video. Thanks

[@themowerman]

Good video mate .. what grade of paste do you use..

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hi mate I’ve tagged the one I use in the description I use Fine 💪🏽

[@stevehall2]

Great - good, clear and simple explanation - what so many KZbin videos lack - your business deserves to do well

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Steven, thank you for your very kind words !🙌🏽. Hope you enjoyed the video and the many more I have on here 😄 have a great weekend !

[@johnobiro5202]

Very well explained. Thanx.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you for tuning in and commenting John😄🌱

[@mrinmaychoudhury2953]

What grass seed mixture is in the lawn?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

PRG & CRF 😄🌱

[@headskull]

Hi Jay, I am super interested to get one Webb WEH12R but I live in Sweden and Webb will not send one here. Do you have any ideas on how I can source one? Would you be able to support? Cheers / Niklas

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hi Niklas I hope you are well! Real bummer they don’t send them straight out, sorry bud I can’t be of any help here.. maybe EBay and find someone that would happily sort the courier ?? Hope you manage to get sorted !

[@amychrisbishop2096]

Hi Jay, great videos 👍🏼 would you recommend the Webb push mower? I’m looking to get a cylinder mower for my 25m2 lawn but don’t have the budget for a petrol. Interested in your thoughts as can’t seem to find any KZbin reviews of this mower?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hi there ! I haven’t done a proper review but I talk about it and use it in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJXJnYOHqdCsqLc For 25m/2 it’s probably perfect in all honest. It’s light, it stripes okay, it has a nice clean cut, I think it’s the best manual one that is being made in the uk right now 🙂 you just have to be careful with the height change, that it doesn’t slip while mowing 🙂🌱

[@amychrisbishop2096]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance Amazing, thanks you 🙏🏼 that’s just the confirmation I needed, so will go ahead and get one. Can I ask though, which months of the year is it ok to cut the grass so low? I’ve always cut higher but really keen to get it down if using a cylinder mower. P.S. that edger though… 😮 🤯 💥 👌🏼

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

@@amychrisbishop2096 well the max height what is 23.5 is already pretty low, so you may not need to go any lower than that🙌🏽. I think you could work the height down for start of April and cut it at the height all the way till November where you will raise the height again. Baring in mind you’ll need a good watering schedule through summer, water heavy a few times per week. If water costs too much where you are simply Just go back onto the rotary if needed

[@wyliehorn4374]

Thanks for the video Jay. Very useful. How long did you do the back lapping on the manual cylinder?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you 😄. It was only a few minutes, you can go off of the sound almost, and you can see when the paste has worked it’s way in, for this Video the blades really weren’t that bad so didn’t need to much attention - more for learning purposes 😄. If in doubt, clean it off, do the paper test and then go again if needs be 😀🌱

[@KieronEdwards]

Thank you so much for this video. I followed this process yesterday and the cut afterwards was fantastic.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Brilliant ! Makes such a difference Kieron, thank you very much for watching 😄🌱

[@SunnyBermuda]

☀️Nice video! ☀️

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thank you for commenting 🙌🏽 will get more coming your way 💪🏽🌱

[@jackfirth4558]

What’s the WD40 used for??

[@iamthepolice]

How is your lawn soo beautiful.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Feel free to check through some more videos explaining this 😄🌱☀️

[@thelawnclipper8063]

Did you find that the paste doesn't come off very well? I used this grinding paste and later realised that it's not water soluble and so doesn't wash off very easily. A water soluble version is available for the job.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Oh right I haven’t used any others ! The grinding paste wasn’t too bad, I just gave it a heavy water and a good rub down, seemed to do the trick 😄

[@marsus2006]

Hello is this mower sill available in the market

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

The push behind is 😄 the petrol one is now the Allett Classic 😄

[@movingforward1981]

Do you still use the Webb push mower ?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Probably only once or twice this season, my Suffolk does such a pleasing job I haven’t had to. Although I keep it just incase I do small Renos and I want something lighter on the project area 😁

[@Dg-zj6jo]

good video

[@matthewheffernan3877]

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure the reel is not meant to contact the back knife. id adjust it away until it just stopped contacting. Do this by ear or feel or feeler gauge or cigarette paper.

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

This is how it was done, adjusted by tiny increments until it has given a clean cut. Been using it for nearly a year since and it is still cutting clean each mow 3 times per week😄🌱

[@grantsmith8502]

Hi why don’t you use engine to turn blades in situ ?

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Hi grant ! Thank you for commenting, 2 main reasons; First is - it would be very dangerous having your hands anywhere close while stretching to activate the cylinder via the engine. Secondly, the engine propels the cylinder towards the bed knife in order to cut the grass, in order to back Lapp the cylinder needs to be turning away from the bed knife. Hope this answers your question :)

[@grantsmith8502]

JayRock LawnCare yes it does help thanks for enlightening me

[@Simpleboneguy]

Hi there sounded like your reel is too tight. I use 1 sheet 9f paper folded to test. The reel should only cut 1 sheet and not the other. Hope you're safe!

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

Thanks Arjun, I’ll take that on board 🙂🌱

[@Simpleboneguy]

@@JayRockGroundsMaintenance enjoy Jay and stay safe.

[@Simpleboneguy]

Jay great stuff. Try adjusting the reel to cut one paper only as doing that will make your bed knife and reel and the mower last longer. 😊

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

@@Simpleboneguy thanks mate ! It’s been adjusted a couple of times since the video was made 🙌🏽. Still cutting nicely since the last back lap🙌🏽 . Thanks for the too Arjun, keep well buddy 🌱😄

[@jaap3450]

thanks

[@JayRockGroundsMaintenance]

No problem!