If you enjoyed learning how to play subtone check out the rest of my technique videos kzbin.info/aero/PLBRGEAheQrpmNJ5Utbv8F6W8jB-k_WAeX
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
:-)
@SavvySaxy6 ай бұрын
OH MY GOD I DID IT!!! I literally have watched this video 4+ times along with many others over the past few years and TODAY. TODAY was the day. I always thought it was just a really quiet note, no, it literally feels and sounds entirely different! Thank you!!!
@SavvySaxy6 ай бұрын
The only problem is I think I have leaks on my lowest 3 notes so I can’t do it there very well (this has been an ongoing problem for a little while, my poor sax is on its last legs). And I’ve noticed (at the moment) it’s way easier to do on a small tip opening than a large one. Although, I’m comparing a 4 to a 7* which is a big jump, so YMMV
@GetYourSaxTogether6 ай бұрын
Yeh! You're welcome
@SteuSax6664 жыл бұрын
It's the best explanation I never ever found about the subtones! You deserve many compliments. While I was watching at this video I was thinking to "Moonlight Serenade". Its warm sound, when a tenor sax player plays it, is remembering me this explanation.
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching and let me know if there's anything else I can do for you. J:-)
@leszekpeszek92612 жыл бұрын
In my opinion better way to get great subtone is Play as normal embouchure, but you must Control your breath as much as possibile. Very softly breathing, sometimes got feeling like you loost your air on left/right site of your mounthpiece. Same like Ben Webster
@GetYourSaxTogether2 жыл бұрын
Ok. 😎
@sbooontheroad3 жыл бұрын
Best teacher ever seen on youtube! Many blessings to you Jamie 😇
@GetYourSaxTogether3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much 🙏🏻
@geoffbeckett97434 жыл бұрын
Watched loads of KZbin videos on subtones. Never really understood what it was all about. No one that I have seen has ever explained it so clearly. " I "get it now". Thanks for the great content.
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome Geoff. Thanks for watching and let me know if there's anything else I can do for you. J:-)
@marieforster14424 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation ... best I have seen just so detailed! Great channel Jamie only just discovered you!
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you Marie! Make sure you check out my free masterclass as well. Loads of info on there. J:-) www.getyoursaxtogether.com/masterclass
@sax_n_axe2 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful !!!!
@GetYourSaxTogether2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad!
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jamie, saxtastic 😂
@GetYourSaxTogether2 жыл бұрын
Anytime. 👍🏻
@josefmoveyourself72343 жыл бұрын
Your teaching is awesome 🎷
@GetYourSaxTogether3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@stevekeiretsuАй бұрын
wow, I've been doing almost nothing but trying to achieve a nice consistent even low note subtone for the last month or two. like literally every practice session I just play from E downwards trying to isolate only the subtone, except I didnt even know it was called that... while I'd stumbled my way to discovering the relaxed lip and diaphram-driven warm air aspects for myself, it still just wasn't at all reliable and higher harmonics would keep honking in somehow...the 'jaw back' thing has made an instant improvement. thanks!
@GetYourSaxTogetherАй бұрын
That's great. You are welcome
@Nestor_Fernandez4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jamie, great detailed explanation, your master class on this topic was clear. Phil Woods applied this sound on alto sax in a beautiful way and Stan Getz seemed to do it over the whole range of the tenor sax. Thank you!
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
You're very kind, thanks. I was actually gonna mention Getz in the video and must have forgotten cos yes, he does sound like he's subtending the whole time. Thanks for watching and let me know if there's anything else I can do for you. J:-)
@wongsoondumrong5955 Жыл бұрын
you save my lift eventhrough I watch your clip so many time and now I can nail it 🎉🎉🎉 Thanks
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
👍
@Lesly-n4e Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Love it
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
You're welcome 😊
@AngelHernandez-wx2pg4 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal Jeimy. I'd appreciate it if you made a video about Lou Reed's final solo "Walk on the Wild Side". Thank you
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Hi Angel! I've actually got that tune on my list of stuff to cover later. Thanks for watching and let me know if there's anything else I can do for you. J:-)
@alber7629 Жыл бұрын
GOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
👍
@manoelm.m.61213 жыл бұрын
Very useful and nice video. Thank you.
@GetYourSaxTogether3 жыл бұрын
Anytime!
@steady19853 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson..
@GetYourSaxTogether3 жыл бұрын
Anytime!
@SteuSax6664 жыл бұрын
Very cool and useful lesson!!!!
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! J:-)
@wongsoondumrong94934 жыл бұрын
thank a lot
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Most welcome!
@Илья-ж7к4г Жыл бұрын
Спасибо! В ваших уроках всегда доступно и понятно объясняете!) Спасибо!) Всего Вам самого светлого! 😊
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
Спасибо 👍
@garykroon90984 жыл бұрын
Hi, you have a really nice mannerism in explaining. Thanks Gary, Adelaide, Australia
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
You're very kind, thank you. Thanks for your support. J:-)
@Sheldonmiranda074 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence. I just saw someone doing that today while playing and I really had no idea what was that and how should it be done. Once again thank you for this
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
That's fate then Sheldon, love it! Thanks for watching. J:-)
@zzzjerrol3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are awesome and I love that you explain a bit of the physiology (is that a word?) behind the techniques. What would be nice and easy tunes to apply the subtones to?
@GetYourSaxTogether3 жыл бұрын
Well, any ballad sounds good with subtone, in fact you can hear it on my video tomorrow!
@francistaylor50974 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful! Looking forward to trying this on my vintage 1936 Buescher Aristocrat alto.
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Oooh! Nice Francis, bet that sounds lush! J:-)
@andrewwright68934 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video lesson Jamie. Cheers
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
As always, thanks for watching Andrew! J:-)
@bryangunning36954 жыл бұрын
well done Jamie excellent lesson, easily understood.
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your support! J:-)
@titeuf614Ай бұрын
Thank you for these explanations. Your videos are excellent. I play on a 5 mouthpiece with a 3.5 reed. Should I change the reed for a softer one to get the subtone? 😃
@GetYourSaxTogetherАй бұрын
Didn’t you just ask that?
@hughsmithau334 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! i really liked the video, Keep it up!
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching and let me know if there's anything else I can do for you. J:-)
@kevm29514 жыл бұрын
Great info, it's never been explained to before now, so thanks 👍
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Glad it's helpful. Thanks for watching. J:-)
@titeuf614Ай бұрын
Thank you for these explanations. Your videos are excellent. I play on a 5 mouthpiece with a 3.5 reed. Should I change the reed for a softer one to get the subtone?
@GetYourSaxTogetherАй бұрын
Maybe. Maybe not! Try it!
@hugovandermeer1566 Жыл бұрын
That's mad...but good!👍
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
@belibeki4 жыл бұрын
Very useful video about subtone. I apply all the rules that you said in video, its ok from low g to low d, but when I come to low c, c sharp, b, b flat, nothing came out, no sound at all! I have to blou really hard to get those lower notes. But when I want to get subtone, the problem happen. Sax is ok, no leaks. Tongue is in the lower position in the oral cavity, and still nothing happens! I really dont know what to do...
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Yeh, it can be tricky to get it, you're not alone. Your jaw has to be really far back. Sorry I can't help you over youtube comments! Good luck. J:-)
@belibeki4 жыл бұрын
Thanks anyway, I try to put my lower jaw, more in backward position.
@perfectcelery4 жыл бұрын
Superb, thanks again 😊
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your support! J:-)
@danfarmer72434 жыл бұрын
Such a good explanation. Nice one!
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan. Good luck with it! J:-)
@thedog49674 жыл бұрын
Dang, I was actually looking for this. Thank you.
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
I was in the right place at the right time then, perfect! Thanks for watching. J:-)
@thedog49674 жыл бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether yup!
@jazipc42304 жыл бұрын
Awesome! thanks for the tip
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome. Anytime! Thanks for watching. J:-)
@hervemarand1774 жыл бұрын
Hi Jamie! Just recently found your channel and I am loving the way you are teaching! Tried to use your technique for the subtone and indeed your description of the technique is incredibly effective. One thing I have noticed though is that this leads me to seriously flatten all the notes I try to sub-tone because I am putting less pressure on the reed. Is there a remedy? I guess a quick examination of your other videos suggests that I may need to modify my vocal tract? Also, is the above observation suggesting I should not be controlling the pitch with the pressure on the reed...but with the vocal tract? Thanks in advance for your reply! I do love your videos!
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Hi Herve - looking forward to meeting face to face, but in the meantime I think the solution might be to play all the other notes that aren't subtone with a similar loose embouchure, then push in a bit in general.
@olebirgerpedersen Жыл бұрын
Support with your diafragme ! As a lot of peoble does'nt know you can stear the whole intonation from there.
@jeanlucfolliot4 жыл бұрын
MERCI A VOUS
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, merci, and let me know if there's anything else I can do for you. J:-)
@glen.s98604 жыл бұрын
Hi Jamie, I find tenor is best for subtone, Alto do not play it prop
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
For sure, subtone sounds better on tenor, I agree.
@jeremydhoudain4377 Жыл бұрын
Thank for your video. On my tenor sax, I succeed in producing subtones until C, but for B and Bb, it seems impossible... Could you give me some advice ? Thks
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
My best advice is all on the video. Check your horn isn’t leaking though.
@Hueho1 Жыл бұрын
This technique Jamie your are describing is the very opposite! of the „traditional“ embochure in many of your other videos…, i.e lower lip out teeth about 1.5 cm into the mooting piece and else, for me it works for the low notes like low b flat c and d but is completely contra productive if you play the higher notes like everything about the middle c…, if everything is “back” , I.e lower teeth, lower lip and upper teeth how can you possibly maintain a functioning embochure? Upper lip is where?? Thanks for your help and great channel, congrats!
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
You can use that kinda embouchure all over the horn, yo li just get very different results from the usual embouchure.
@Hueho1 Жыл бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether thanx Jamie, the way you describe is the way I do my embuchure , I.e. way too little mouthpiece in my mouth , front teeth at the tip of the mouth piece , lower lip at the tip of the mouthpiece , I.e back as you describe it, result is: no tone whatsoever 😢
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
@@Hueho1 😕
@l.nguyen8602 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this lesson. Does softer reed strength help in subtone ?
@GetYourSaxTogether2 жыл бұрын
Not always I don’t think.
@l.nguyen8602 жыл бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether Thanks.
@YannsKitchenUK4 жыл бұрын
Clever !
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if it's clever or not, but it's certainly a lush sound and takes away the potential QE2 factor! lol
@YannsKitchenUK4 жыл бұрын
Get Your Sax Together Never even thought to try something like that with jaw. Really cool and nice sound.
@lanphanh3 ай бұрын
❤
@GetYourSaxTogether3 ай бұрын
🙏🏻
@garymeroff3297 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson ! it seems my subtones are flat. I work on it daily trying to bring it up to pitch. Does it take time or are there any secrets to bring up the pitch. I have been gripping the mouthpiece /reed and the pitch is getting better.
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
Don’t bite to get the pitch up. Blow loose and just push your mouthpiece on.
@garymeroff3297 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jamey I noticed when you switch from regular tone (G for example) to subtone (G) both notes are right in tune.M y regular note is intune but it gets flat when I switch to my subtone embrochure. It is getting much better though. My Bb B and C still need to get up to pitch. I will keep working on it. Thanks for all the great info. Your videos are a great help for my improvement and I am sure there are many other that are very grateful for your generosity and guidance.
@lightmanleaf3761 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I followed your method and successful got the subtone. However, all the notes are flattened at least 25 cents. Is it common? I have already move the mouthpiece the maximum inward but still flat about 25 to 35 cents for all notes. Would you please advise what I should do? Thank you.
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
Ok, so you might have to adjust with the position of your larynx, or maybe you’ve got the embouchure right but it’s just too loose, hard to say.
@rodrigoartilheiro29858 ай бұрын
👏👏👏
@GetYourSaxTogether8 ай бұрын
🙏🏻
@Manthus122349 ай бұрын
Whenever I practice subtone on tenor sax sometimes the low notes like d e and e flat gurgle alot. How can I fix this?
@GetYourSaxTogether9 ай бұрын
Many factors but try putting a wine cork in the bell.
@Manthus122349 ай бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether okay thanks!
@bobfixes76402 жыл бұрын
I'm a little late to the party Jamie, but I notice big differences in my ability to play subtones with different reed strengths, different mouthpieces. Is there something to be said about tip openings or reed strengths in producing quality, repeatable subtones? Or is it limited to your 6 pointers in the video? (Really concise and well described - great video as usual!)
@GetYourSaxTogether2 жыл бұрын
I guess it’s a bit easier with a wider tip, but not that significant I don’t think.
@bobfixes76402 жыл бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether By wider tip are you referring to the tip opening? (I'm thinking all Tenor reeds are the same width, but not sure?)
@GetYourSaxTogether2 жыл бұрын
@@bobfixes7640 yes, the gap between the reed tip and the mouthpiece tip.
@bobfixes76402 жыл бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether Thank you!
@ellispeters96274 жыл бұрын
Hi Jamie thanks for the sub tones video, really want to master this. Could you clarify please - you say about upper teeth being almost off the mouthpiece but also retracting your lower jaw? I cant quite manage this successfully. Thanks
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Your top teeth go back and your bottom jaw also goes back, but even further. Kinda hard to describe but you might be able to see it on the video. J:-)
@vivianastridge21673 жыл бұрын
Possibly one of the more informative videos on the production of the subtone. The instructions would have been even more comprehensive if details of the mouthpiece and reed had been included also the anatomical structure of lips, jaw most likely to render the production of the subtone more facile. I have been trying to develop playing in subtone for the past ten years on and off and have only succeeded in the ability to play very very softly with no characteristic subtone quality and no breath sound. In fact I am not able to even produce the slightest trace of breath sound. To add to my woes, I cannot retract my lower jaw even a fraction of a millimeter and my lips are just thin lines across my lower face. As if all this were not enough, I live in a third world country where no one has even heard of subtone and the only contact with civilization is via the Internet. Any help by way of suggestions, advice, instruction, references etc would be greatly appreciated and thanked for.
@GetYourSaxTogether3 жыл бұрын
Yeh, everyone has different physiology and re-traction of the jaw does seem to be key. I've got a new course coming out very soon called Total Tone Mastery. That covers subtone in the bonus modules.
@emmashell13562 жыл бұрын
Hello from France, I cannot find a good translation for Subtones into French... could you help me ? TIA Marie-Hélène
@GetYourSaxTogether2 жыл бұрын
Le subtone. 🤗
@vivianastridge21674 жыл бұрын
I have been trying unsuccessfully for years on and off to be able to subtone. While there are a sufficient number of videos detailing the embouchure, position of lips , jaw etc no one seems to have bothered to mention the type of mouthpiece and reed combination conducive to subtone production. My prolonged attempts at subtoning seems to indicate that not every player can subtone as so much depends on the anatomical structure of the player. In my own case, the lips are meager, my lower jaw in its natural position is just forward of the upper and cannot be moved back to any extent. Has anyone dealt with the subtone subject with any degree of scientific rigor, so that the technique may be adopted by just about all players regardless of lip, jaw and other features. I hope you might have some answers to my questions and possibly suggest a method taking into account the undesirable lip and jaw configuration that I have been bestowed with. Thank you,
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thanks for your long message, and I totally hear you. The most scientific book I've ever come across on saxophone embouchure and anatomy etc is by Dr Mark Watkins and it's called "From The Inside Out". That's my best tip!
@melb59964 жыл бұрын
This used to be the normal sound for saxophonist 😁 plus I find that the sax needs to be completely ‘leak’ free.
@GetYourSaxTogether4 жыл бұрын
Yup, 100%. The sax needs to seal perfectly for sure. And yes, subtone used to be much more the norm, great observation. J:-)
@davidcox8961 Жыл бұрын
Here is another lesson on subtone. It's good to have different perspectives I think. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4erimOAiLNrgdE Sirvalorsax
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan 👍
@davidcox8961 Жыл бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether I wonder if my mouthpiece is a good one for producing subtone ?? I have a Theo Wanne Slant Sig with #6 tip opening. What do you think ?
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
@@davidcox8961 sure. Why not!
@davidcox8961 Жыл бұрын
@@GetYourSaxTogether Why not? Because Sirvalorsax mentioned in his lesson about subtone to get a large tip opening and chamber. Cheers!
@GetYourSaxTogether Жыл бұрын
@@davidcox8961 you can subtone on any mouthpiece, but definitely a 6 slant.